looks like yakhont is very depth limited for its launch parameters no more then 10 ,20m, , suggesting submarine must come close to surface in order to launch so it will be more easily detectable.
i expected more.
hm launch shaft looks shallow in the water considering light conditions ,and launch rocket engine burned out by the time missle turned on its side.
looks like yakhont is very depth limited for its launch parameters no more then 10 ,20m, , suggesting submarine must come close to surface in order to launch so it will be more easily detectable.
i expected more.
i doubt it can be launched from more then 20m ,it takes time to steer the missile and clear the surface by few meters...its the weak spot for yakhont.Mike E wrote:You are *actually right for the first time ever*. It does appear to be launched from shallow waters.... However, it is claimed that it will be able to be launched from 60 meters under the ocean, which is *much* deeper than what is shown in ths video. You expected, and they delivered.... It might even be possible that it could be launch from even deeper, but I'll have to wait and see...
A) Yes, it is rated to be launched from a depth of 60 meters.navyfield wrote:i doubt it can be launched from more then 20m ,it takes time to steer the missile and clear the surface by few meters...its the weak spot for yakhont.Mike E wrote:You are *actually right for the first time ever*. It does appear to be launched from shallow waters.... However, it is claimed that it will be able to be launched from 60 meters under the ocean, which is *much* deeper than what is shown in ths video. You expected, and they delivered.... It might even be possible that it could be launch from even deeper, but I'll have to wait and see...
any proof for 60m depth capable launch claim???Mike E wrote:A) Yes, it is rated to be launched from a depth of 60 meters.navyfield wrote:i doubt it can be launched from more then 20m ,it takes time to steer the missile and clear the surface by few meters...its the weak spot for yakhont.Mike E wrote:You are *actually right for the first time ever*. It does appear to be launched from shallow waters.... However, it is claimed that it will be able to be launched from 60 meters under the ocean, which is *much* deeper than what is shown in ths video. You expected, and they delivered.... It might even be possible that it could be launch from even deeper, but I'll have to wait and see...
B) It prepositions itself over the water, so that doesn't mean a thing...
C) Not a weak-point, and the missile launched was a Brahmos...
navyfield wrote:any proof for 60m depth capable launch claim???Mike E wrote:A) Yes, it is rated to be launched from a depth of 60 meters.navyfield wrote:i doubt it can be launched from more then 20m ,it takes time to steer the missile and clear the surface by few meters...its the weak spot for yakhont.Mike E wrote:You are *actually right for the first time ever*. It does appear to be launched from shallow waters.... However, it is claimed that it will be able to be launched from 60 meters under the ocean, which is *much* deeper than what is shown in ths video. You expected, and they delivered.... It might even be possible that it could be launch from even deeper, but I'll have to wait and see...
B) It prepositions itself over the water, so that doesn't mean a thing...
C) Not a weak-point, and the missile launched was a Brahmos...
Yes, go to *any* source that has information on the Brahmos! They are bound to have at least a little info on the subject of launching depth, and I guarantee that you can find one (I know I can)....navyfield wrote:any proof for 60m depth capable launch claim???Mike E wrote:A) Yes, it is rated to be launched from a depth of 60 meters.navyfield wrote:i doubt it can be launched from more then 20m ,it takes time to steer the missile and clear the surface by few meters...its the weak spot for yakhont.Mike E wrote:You are *actually right for the first time ever*. It does appear to be launched from shallow waters.... However, it is claimed that it will be able to be launched from 60 meters under the ocean, which is *much* deeper than what is shown in ths video. You expected, and they delivered.... It might even be possible that it could be launch from even deeper, but I'll have to wait and see...
B) It prepositions itself over the water, so that doesn't mean a thing...
C) Not a weak-point, and the missile launched was a Brahmos...
On a side note, couldn't the Onyx's speed be adjusted via its ramjet?
Probably...GarryB wrote:I suspect the writer meant to put "such weapons as Phalanx and Sea Ram or exotic weapons like EM guns:. or some such thing.
Moskit does not have 4 ramjet engines... it has one... it has four air intakes for that one ramjet engine... don't look at the front of an aircraft to see how many engines it has... look at the rear.
On a side note, couldn't the Onyx's speed be adjusted via its ramjet?
A ramjet engine burns fuel subsonically, so for the ramjet it is the same situation as a turbojet engine... at high speed it has to balance air coming into the intake as subsonic speed so the engine does not choke, but having the air exit the engine at the highest speed possible to maximise thrust.
Flying at low altitude the top speed of the Onyx is probably mach 1.8-1.9 in the thick air at low altitude.
At high altitude it can fly rather faster in the thinner colder air, but very low altitude offers the maximum opportunity for surprise.
Amusingly the article didn't mention the pack tactics the missiles adopt when attacking targets and how they can operate together to maximise their effect.
they also didn't mention the Klub missile that travels long ranges at subsonic speeds till it gets close to the target area and then launches a Mach 2.9 final rocket stage to penetrate the final layer of defences... ie Phalanx and Sea RAM.... likely the fastest low flying anti ship missile available until ramjet powered missiles become available... obviously the Kh-32 will come in faster but from a high altitude dive....
Viktor wrote:
Brahmos-M
George1 wrote:
Brahmos-M
is this the air-launched variant of brahmos?
George1 wrote:The russian version of P-800 (Oniks) has a range of about 600km??
Arrow wrote:P-800 has range about 300km.
IronsightSniper wrote:What Garry said. The Klub is a far more superior and entertaining missile than the Onyx. Anywho, I give the Sea Ram, Sea Sparrow, and ESSM a good chance of intercepting the first 1 or 2 Onyx/Klubs. However, after doing the some radar horizon formulas, the maximum detection range of a 5 meter skimming Klub(3 meters will put it danger close to ocean waves, converting it into a Shkval) against an AN/SPY-1 mounted 16 meters equals to about 25.7 km. Traveling at 986 meters per second(M. 2.9), that would make the time from detection to impact out to 26 seconds. Against a Phalanx, penetration of the ship's defensive systems are almost guaranteed. Against Sea Ram, Sea Sparrow, and ESSM, again, good chance that the first 2 Klubs will get hit. Against the Steregushchy class of corvettes(2 are commissioned, each can carry 6 Klubs), that would mean a saturation fire of 12 Klubs, with minimal losses to them due to AEGIS. Assuming they're fired against a Nimitz class, assume 4 are intercepted, 8 Klubs = 1.6 tonnes of explosives detonating within the Nimitz. From Kinetic energy alone, each would generate about 20 kg of TNT equivalent upon impact, and depending on where they hit, I give it a fair probability of sinking said carrier.
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