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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #12

    Post  ultimatewarrior on Thu May 18, 2017 11:06 pm

    this is the supposed plan for partition

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #12

    Post  eehnie on Fri May 19, 2017 12:13 am

    par far wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    par far wrote:
    calm wrote:Only thing Russia can do is to mistakenly bomb al-Tanf, again. But it's looks like Russia wasn't involve in this offensive. So SAA is alone? We will see...


    US confirmation of a strike on Syrian Military near Al-Tanf in Syria


    Russia will involved in this.

    I expect the same, but at the right time. The right timing is very important. It is a very difficult goal to achieve, the battle would be very hard just now.


    What time do think will be right eehnie? We know that Russian Special Forces are already embedded with the SAA in that area and Iran has probably sent unit's to participate in this operation(whenever there are loud calls to put sanctions on Iran, that is when you know Iran is doing something.) The big question is how will the VKS respond? Does anyone have information about how many Fighter Jets Russia has in Syria right now?

    Syria, surely under advice of Russia, selected well the timing to cut the pass of the ISIS with Turkey. To have direct land link between Iran and Syria is not an important reason now, because they achieved it more to the North. The Kurd territory is friendly enough for Iran, for land supplies until Syria.

    http://www.kurdistan24.net/en/news/a735cf3c-b765-4067-a0d4-7a9de2786811/%E2%80%98Kurdistan-thanks-Iran-for-help-against-IS%E2%80%99

    Kurdistan thanks Iran for help against IS

    ERBIL, Kurdistan Region (Kurdistan24) – There is no doubt that Tehran helped the Kurdistan Region first in 2014 when the Islamic State (IS) attacked the Region, said a senior Kurdish official on Wednesday.

    Following the emergence of IS in June 2014 in northern Iraq, the jihadists started to attack the Kurdistan Region in August.

    On Tuesday, the President of Iran Hassan Rouhani stated in a speech presented in the Kurdish city of Mahabad in Iranian Kurdistan (Rojhalat) that Iran rescued Erbil, the regional capital of the Kurdistan Region from IS.

    He stated that if Iran did not help the Region, Erbil would have fallen under IS control.

    In a statement to Kurdistan24 on Wednesday, the Prime Minister of the Kurdistan Region Nechirvan Barzani stated that Kurdistan is thankful for Iran’s help.

    “There is no doubt that they [Iran] helped us [Kurdistan Region] at the beginning of Da’esh’s attacks on the Region,” Barzani said, using the Arabic pejorative term for IS.

    “We thank them for the help they provided us,” he continued. “Certainly, the threat was huge when Da’esh attacked the Kurdistan Region.”

    Barzani noted that he did not want to go into detail about whether Erbil would have fallen in the hands of the insurgents if Iran had not helped.

    “All I can say is that we respect their reaction, and we thank them for all the help and support they provided to the Kurdistan Region,” Barzani concluded.

    Kurdistan Region shares over 1,000 kilometers (600 miles) of its border with IS in northern Iraq. Peshmerga forces have been successful in pushing the jihadists back since June 2014, and they have been marked as one of the most efficient ground forces in defeating IS.

    I expect Syria and Russia to select also the right timing in the South. Which conditions can be key for it:

    1.- I expect Syria reinforces its positions before. For it I expect them to continue focused eliminating pockets that require important amounts of troops out of the frontline. I expect also some new unit.

    2.- I expect Syria to try that the place loses part of its strategic importance. Just today, lots of resources of the rebels and their allies will be focused in the defense of the place. How I would expect to achieve it? I expect Syria and Iraq continue winning more territory to the ISIS more to the North, North-East, both by the Syrian side and by the side of Iraq. I think Syria needs before, to reduce the importance of the potential pocket that can be created.

    3.- I expect Syria to advance in the air-space denial for the allies of the opposition in the area (US and more).

    But also I expect Syria and Russia to take some advantage before. I expect Syria and Russia try to reduce the size of the pass, making unsafe and easier to control and to eliminate the convoys that use the pass to reinforce the rebels, including ISIS.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #12

    Post  calm on Fri May 19, 2017 12:20 am

    Suspect

    US airstrikes were supposed to draw "red lines" & "deter" the ResistanceAxis
    Neither US airstrikes nor US ground forces can deter the Fedayeen of the ResistanceAxis
    (Even if Russia abandons ResistanceAxis decisions) Laughing
    ResistanceAxis will triumph & the banner of #Syria will be raised over every inch of Syrian land
    Victory or Martyrdom
    This battle is everything or nothing

    https://twitter.com/Syria_Hezb_Iran


    Exclusive: the SAA will proceed advancing towards AlTanaf but from another flank, the troops will be escorted by SyAAF in a 24/7 shift. https://twitter.com/WaelHussaini/status/865316273303040001

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #12

    Post  par far on Fri May 19, 2017 12:22 am

    eehnie wrote:
    par far wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    par far wrote:
    calm wrote:Only thing Russia can do is to mistakenly bomb al-Tanf, again. But it's looks like Russia wasn't involve in this offensive. So SAA is alone? We will see...


    US confirmation of a strike on Syrian Military near Al-Tanf in Syria


    Russia will involved in this.

    I expect the same, but at the right time. The right timing is very important. It is a very difficult goal to achieve, the battle would be very hard just now.


    What time do think will be right eehnie? We know that Russian Special Forces are already embedded with the SAA in that area and Iran has probably sent unit's to participate in this operation(whenever there are loud calls to put sanctions on Iran, that is when you know Iran is doing something.) The big question is how will the VKS respond? Does anyone have information about how many Fighter Jets Russia has in Syria right now?

    Syria, surely under advice of Russia, selected well the timing to cut the pass of the ISIS with Turkey. To have direct land link between Iran and Syria is not an important reason now, because they achieved it more to the North. The Kurd territory is friendly enough for Iran, for land supplies until Syria.

    http://www.kurdistan24.net/en/news/a735cf3c-b765-4067-a0d4-7a9de2786811/%E2%80%98Kurdistan-thanks-Iran-for-help-against-IS%E2%80%99

    Kurdistan thanks Iran for help against IS

    ERBIL, Kurdistan Region (Kurdistan24) – There is no doubt that Tehran helped the Kurdistan Region first in 2014 when the Islamic State (IS) attacked the Region, said a senior Kurdish official on Wednesday.

    Following the emergence of IS in June 2014 in northern Iraq, the jihadists started to attack the Kurdistan Region in August.

    On Tuesday, the President of Iran Hassan Rouhani stated in a speech presented in the Kurdish city of Mahabad in Iranian Kurdistan (Rojhalat) that Iran rescued Erbil, the regional capital of the Kurdistan Region from IS.

    He stated that if Iran did not help the Region, Erbil would have fallen under IS control.

    In a statement to Kurdistan24 on Wednesday, the Prime Minister of the Kurdistan Region Nechirvan Barzani stated that Kurdistan is thankful for Iran’s help.

    “There is no doubt that they [Iran] helped us [Kurdistan Region] at the beginning of Da’esh’s attacks on the Region,” Barzani said, using the Arabic pejorative term for IS.

    “We thank them for the help they provided us,” he continued. “Certainly, the threat was huge when Da’esh attacked the Kurdistan Region.”

    Barzani noted that he did not want to go into detail about whether Erbil would have fallen in the hands of the insurgents if Iran had not helped.

    “All I can say is that we respect their reaction, and we thank them for all the help and support they provided to the Kurdistan Region,” Barzani concluded.

    Kurdistan Region shares over 1,000 kilometers (600 miles) of its border with IS in northern Iraq. Peshmerga forces have been successful in pushing the jihadists back since June 2014, and they have been marked as one of the most efficient ground forces in defeating IS.

    I expect Syria and Russia to select also the right timing in the South. Which conditions can be key for it:

    1.- I expect Syria reinforces its positions before. For it I expect them to continue focused eliminating pockets that require important amounts of troops out of the frontline. I expect also some new unit.

    2.- I expect Syria to try that the place loses part of its strategic importance. Just today, lots of resources of the rebels and their allies will be focused in the defense of the place. How I would expect to achieve it? I expect Syria and Iraq continue winning more territory to the ISIS more to the North, North-East, both by the Syrian side and by the side of Iraq. I think Syria needs before, to reduce the importance of the potential pocket that can be created.

    3.- I expect Syria to advance in the air-space denial for the allies of the opposition in the area (US and more).

    But also I expect Syria and Russia to take some advantage before. I expect Syria and Russia try to reduce the size of the pass, making unsafe and easier to control and to eliminate the convoys that use the pass to reinforce the rebels, including ISIS.

    Good points eehnie, do you think that in the coming weeks, Russia will increase it support for Syria?
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #12

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri May 19, 2017 1:10 am

    calm wrote: Suspect

    US airstrikes were supposed to draw "red lines" & "deter" the ResistanceAxis
    Neither US airstrikes nor US ground forces can deter the Fedayeen of the ResistanceAxis
    (Even if Russia abandons ResistanceAxis decisions)  Laughing
    ResistanceAxis will triumph & the banner of #Syria will be raised over every inch of Syrian land
    Victory or Martyrdom
    This battle is everything or nothing

    https://twitter.com/Syria_Hezb_Iran


    Exclusive: the SAA will proceed advancing towards AlTanaf but from another flank, the troops will be escorted by SyAAF in a 24/7 shift. https://twitter.com/WaelHussaini/status/865316273303040001

    I am getting kinda lost in timeline, acronyms and factions of this ''southern comfort'' here. Can you give me a crash course? study

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #12

    Post  par far on Fri May 19, 2017 1:50 am

    calm wrote: Suspect

    US airstrikes were supposed to draw "red lines" & "deter" the ResistanceAxis
    Neither US airstrikes nor US ground forces can deter the Fedayeen of the ResistanceAxis
    (Even if Russia abandons ResistanceAxis decisions)  Laughing
    ResistanceAxis will triumph & the banner of #Syria will be raised over every inch of Syrian land
    Victory or Martyrdom
    This battle is everything or nothing

    https://twitter.com/Syria_Hezb_Iran


    Exclusive: the SAA will proceed advancing towards AlTanaf but from another flank, the troops will be escorted by SyAAF in a 24/7 shift. https://twitter.com/WaelHussaini/status/865316273303040001


    I don't think that the SAA or anyone related, can say that without the blessing of Russia, when they say that "the troops will be escorted by SyAAF in a 24/7 shift", it means, Russia is watching over them and the SyAAF will be getting Intel from Russia.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #12

    Post  calm on Fri May 19, 2017 1:58 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    +++:

    calm wrote: Suspect

    US airstrikes were supposed to draw "red lines" & "deter" the ResistanceAxis
    Neither US airstrikes nor US ground forces can deter the Fedayeen of the ResistanceAxis
    (Even if Russia abandons ResistanceAxis decisions)  Laughing
    ResistanceAxis will triumph & the banner of #Syria will be raised over every inch of Syrian land
    Victory or Martyrdom
    This battle is everything or nothing

    https://twitter.com/Syria_Hezb_Iran

    Exclusive: the SAA will proceed advancing towards AlTanaf but from another flank, the troops will be escorted by SyAAF in a 24/7 shift. https://twitter.com/WaelHussaini/status/865316273303040001


    I am getting kinda lost in timeline, acronyms and factions of this ''southern comfort'' here. Can you give me a crash course? study  

    Russia used to be part of #resistanceAxis, but no more.

    That's all you need to know.  Laughing
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #12

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri May 19, 2017 2:30 am

    calm wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    +++:

    calm wrote: Suspect

    US airstrikes were supposed to draw "red lines" & "deter" the ResistanceAxis
    Neither US airstrikes nor US ground forces can deter the Fedayeen of the ResistanceAxis
    (Even if Russia abandons ResistanceAxis decisions)  Laughing
    ResistanceAxis will triumph & the banner of #Syria will be raised over every inch of Syrian land
    Victory or Martyrdom
    This battle is everything or nothing

    https://twitter.com/Syria_Hezb_Iran

    Exclusive: the SAA will proceed advancing towards AlTanaf but from another flank, the troops will be escorted by SyAAF in a 24/7 shift. https://twitter.com/WaelHussaini/status/865316273303040001


    I am getting kinda lost in timeline, acronyms and factions of this ''southern comfort'' here. Can you give me a crash course? study  

    Russia used to be part of #resistanceAxis, but no more.

    That's all you need to know.  Laughing

    So you expect them to bomb us proxies which they could hit US forces and cause a defacto war.

    I don't think you understand in the slightest what is happening at Tan, You do not understand the risk.

    Simply put the risk is too great for Russia but it is too great for us also.

    We bombed proxies not the SAA.

    I can never understand the madness that is proposed here at times which displays a clear lack of understanding of the situation at the ground, by all means comes to syria and you will see how shattered your logic is.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #12

    Post  par far on Fri May 19, 2017 3:15 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    calm wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    +++:

    calm wrote: Suspect

    US airstrikes were supposed to draw "red lines" & "deter" the ResistanceAxis
    Neither US airstrikes nor US ground forces can deter the Fedayeen of the ResistanceAxis
    (Even if Russia abandons ResistanceAxis decisions)  Laughing
    ResistanceAxis will triumph & the banner of #Syria will be raised over every inch of Syrian land
    Victory or Martyrdom
    This battle is everything or nothing

    https://twitter.com/Syria_Hezb_Iran

    Exclusive: the SAA will proceed advancing towards AlTanaf but from another flank, the troops will be escorted by SyAAF in a 24/7 shift. https://twitter.com/WaelHussaini/status/865316273303040001


    I am getting kinda lost in timeline, acronyms and factions of this ''southern comfort'' here. Can you give me a crash course? study  

    Russia used to be part of #resistanceAxis, but no more.

    That's all you need to know.  Laughing

    So you expect them to bomb us proxies which they could hit US forces and cause a defacto war.

    I don't think you understand in the slightest what is happening at Tan, You do not understand the risk.

    Simply put the risk is too great for Russia but it is too great for us also.

    We bombed proxies not the SAA.

    I can never understand the madness that is proposed here at times which displays a clear lack of understanding of the situation at the ground, by all means comes to syria and you will see how shattered your logic is.




    What happens if Russia bombs US proxies at Al Tan.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #12

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri May 19, 2017 3:20 am

    From what I can tell this southern ops is not high on priority list for Russia and if what I read is true they want to push for DeZ from Palmyra and Aleppo not south.

    Russia also tried to tell SAA or whoever was down there to back off but they kept moving anyway.

    Every time Syrians ignored Russian advices they got eviscerated in one way or another. You would think they would learn by now.

    I also don't understand this insistence on using roads to move through empty desert. If reaching border is priority they should just drive around obstacles and go for it. Why roads? There are no mountains there and Iraqis are friendlies.

    Why make a drama over it?
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #12

    Post  calm on Fri May 19, 2017 3:40 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    calm wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    +++:

    calm wrote: Suspect

    US airstrikes were supposed to draw "red lines" & "deter" the ResistanceAxis
    Neither US airstrikes nor US ground forces can deter the Fedayeen of the ResistanceAxis
    (Even if Russia abandons ResistanceAxis decisions)  Laughing
    ResistanceAxis will triumph & the banner of #Syria will be raised over every inch of Syrian land
    Victory or Martyrdom
    This battle is everything or nothing

    https://twitter.com/Syria_Hezb_Iran

    Exclusive: the SAA will proceed advancing towards AlTanaf but from another flank, the troops will be escorted by SyAAF in a 24/7 shift. https://twitter.com/WaelHussaini/status/865316273303040001


    I am getting kinda lost in timeline, acronyms and factions of this ''southern comfort'' here. Can you give me a crash course? study  

    Russia used to be part of #resistanceAxis, but no more.

    That's all you need to know.  Laughing

    So you expect them to bomb us proxies which they could hit US forces and cause a defacto war.

    I don't think you understand in the slightest what is happening at Tan, You do not understand the risk.

    Simply put the risk is too great for Russia but it is too great for us also.

    We bombed proxies not the SAA.

    I can never understand the madness that is proposed here at times which displays a clear lack of understanding of the situation at the ground, by all means comes to syria and you will see how shattered your logic is.

    Quoting wrong person?
    Mistakenly bomb(warning to Americans in advance to get lost for an hour)


    I don't care for this road and Shia corridors to Damascus.



    We bombed proxies not the SAA.
    Who are "we"?

    US has now directly killed over 100 Syrian soldiers:
    - 90 in Deir Ezzor airbase "accident"
    - 7 w/ Tomahawk launch
    - 6 w/ airstrike in desert
    Conversely, not a single American soldier has been killed by the Syrian Army. Not a single attempt has been even made. US is aggressor.
    https://twitter.com/Zinvor/status/865333512395792384


    I don't think you understand in the slightest what is happening at Tan, You do not understand the risk.

    Only risk is that Shia fanatics will start blowing up Americans in Iraq and Syria because of that corridor to Damascus. Victory or Martyrdom and all that nonsense from above.
    And no, Russia and US won't clash. Just like in cruise missile strike, they will work just fine.
    Maybe some US planes will fall, if SAA nerves got overstretched, 100+ killed soldiers is not a small number.

    So popcorn, whatever happens.

    Read this. But looks like south is off the table, for now.
    http://www.russiadefence.net/t5587p800-syrian-civil-war-news-12#194054


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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #12

    Post  Regular on Fri May 19, 2017 3:44 am

    How many coalition planes were shot down this time?
    My sources claim(a guy from russiadefence.net) that in attack against Syrian forces US alone lost 53 pilots. Laughing
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #12

    Post  ultimatewarrior on Fri May 19, 2017 4:49 am

    It's a good thing to see SAA and allies push forward to retake their own border even though Russia tried to sabotage them for the evil Americans. Russia is using the Jableh airbase for free. America's proxies like FSA and SDF would never let Russia use any airbase in Syria. If it wasn't for SAA letting Russia use it for free, Russia be paying billions a year to use it. Russia ought to be grateful they are not paying billions to SAA for using the Jableh airbase while they do nothing for SAA such as air support. Russia sent all its jets back to Russia and lying around in the Jableh airbase doing nothing.

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/pictures-syrian-army-reinforcements-pour-syrian-desert-despite-us-airstrikes/
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #12

    Post  ultimatewarrior on Fri May 19, 2017 4:52 am

    And to this day Russia refuses to deliver the MiG-29M2 planes Syria ordered before 2011 or S-300 / 400 so SAA can defend itself from air strikes. To Russia Syrian soldiers are expendable and their lives are worthless. Sure, they don't have Russian citizenship, but they fight for Russia's geopolitics and national security. If it weren't for SAA letting Russia use its Jableh airbase for free, Russia would have exactly 0 airbase in the ME while the US has dozens. And this is how Russia treats SAA. No wonder why only 11 countries out of 192 countries voted for supporting Russia's referendum in Crimea at the UNGA vote in March 2014. No wonder why most countries hate Russia. The way Russia treats its few remaining allies.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #12

    Post  ultimatewarrior on Fri May 19, 2017 5:01 am

    calm wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    +++:

    calm wrote: Suspect

    US airstrikes were supposed to draw "red lines" & "deter" the ResistanceAxis
    Neither US airstrikes nor US ground forces can deter the Fedayeen of the ResistanceAxis
    (Even if Russia abandons ResistanceAxis decisions)  Laughing
    ResistanceAxis will triumph & the banner of #Syria will be raised over every inch of Syrian land
    Victory or Martyrdom
    This battle is everything or nothing

    https://twitter.com/Syria_Hezb_Iran

    Exclusive: the SAA will proceed advancing towards AlTanaf but from another flank, the troops will be escorted by SyAAF in a 24/7 shift. https://twitter.com/WaelHussaini/status/865316273303040001


    I am getting kinda lost in timeline, acronyms and factions of this ''southern comfort'' here. Can you give me a crash course? study  

    Russia used to be part of #resistanceAxis, but no more.

    That's all you need to know.  Laughing

    The US protects Kurds from Turks. Russia doesn't care about SAA. Russia betrayed Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq, Sudan, Ukraine, Yemen, and now Syria. This is why Russia will have 0 friends. The way it treats others. Only 11 countries out of 192 countries voted to recognize Russia's referendum in Crimea in March 2014. If that vote were to happen today, less than 10 countries out of 192 countries would stand with Russia.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #12

    Post  ultimatewarrior on Fri May 19, 2017 5:04 am

    SAA cutting off the head of the evil American snake. You Americans. Come and get some. Russians are scared of you. Syrians are NOT.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #12

    Post  OminousSpudd on Fri May 19, 2017 6:08 am

    Ol' spazbutt's at it again. Rolling Eyes
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #12

    Post  nomadski on Fri May 19, 2017 11:16 am


    @par far

    The imperialist plan is to cause chaos . Through sectarian and ethnic wars . Only when people fight . Can they take sides . And spread their illegitimate influence . So the regional powers should not , as far as possible , directly involve themselves . Nor encourage involvement by outside powers . This will set the region on fire .

    All religious and ethnic groups in the region , who act in a democratic manner . In the national interest . Are willing to have peace . And share power . And renounce killings . Must be identified . The territory these groups control , must be made freely available for use by national army units . The long term plan should be to disband all militas . And absorb them into national army .

    Democratic and national forces , have the right of self defence . If yanks and co . Attack them . From the air . Then they have the right and should in my view , use SAM to defend themselves . This is better than direct interception by Russian fighters . The air attacks by yank and usrael can not be allowed to escalate and become a significant threat to the democratic forces . All democratic and patriotic forces that do not relinquish full control over the territory they hold . Must be viewed as separatists . Not much different to terrorists . Must be fought .


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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #12

    Post  JohninMK on Fri May 19, 2017 11:58 am

    Pretty quiet response, no withdrawal of the air conflict agreement like last time.

    GENEVA (Sputnik) – The latest US-led coalition airstrike in Syria affects the political settlement process, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Gennadiy Gatilov said Friday.

    "Any military actions entailing the aggravation of the situation in Syria certainly influence the course of the political process, especially such actions that were committed against the Syrian armed forces," Gatilov said.

    He noted that the potentially deadly coalition strike near the southern town of At Tanf, announced on Thursday, is "absolutely unacceptable" and in "violation of Syria's sovereignty."

    "This was not an operation against the Daesh [Daesh jiahdist group banned in Russia] or the Nusra Front," Gatilov said.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #12

    Post  Regular on Fri May 19, 2017 1:06 pm

    It seems "coalition" is calling Russia's bluff.
    What's next, calling for Assads assassination? Oh wait, that already happened.
    Israeli minister calls for Assads assassination

    Russia need to shoot some jets down and hit US SF positions to cause casualties, PRONTO.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #12

    Post  ultimatewarrior on Fri May 19, 2017 1:21 pm

    Regular wrote:It seems "coalition" is calling Russia's bluff.
    What's next, calling for Assads assassination? Oh wait, that already happened.
    Israeli minister calls for Assads assassination

    Russia need to shoot some jets down and hit US SF positions to cause casualties, PRONTO.

    Russia's Su-35 and S-400 are in Syria only to defend Russian servicemen. BUT, if Russia shows weakness, what happens today in Syria will be what happens in the future in Russia. Entire cities reduced to rubble. Millions of refugees. That's America's plan for Russia. Russians have good heart. They always want to be America's friends. Americans have evil heart. They always want to slaughter Russians.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #12

    Post  Regular on Fri May 19, 2017 2:06 pm

    ultimatewarrior wrote:
    Regular wrote:It seems "coalition" is calling Russia's bluff.
    What's next, calling for Assads assassination? Oh wait, that already happened.
    Israeli minister calls for Assads assassination

    Russia need to shoot some jets down and hit US SF positions to cause casualties, PRONTO.

    Russia's Su-35 and S-400 are in Syria only to defend Russian servicemen. BUT, if Russia shows weakness, what happens today in Syria will be what happens in the future in Russia. Entire cities reduced to rubble. Millions of refugees. That's America's plan for Russia. Russians have good heart. They always want to be America's friends. Americans have evil heart. They always want to slaughter Russians.

    I am not 12 year old, but thanks for the message
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #12

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri May 19, 2017 2:50 pm


    What we seem to have now in Syria is conflict between Russia and Iran.

    Russia wants to secure E.Aleppo and push towards Deir ez Zorr. This will allow them to pretty much secure all pro gov. population centers and then refocus on Idlib.

    There is also matter of principle. They abhor leaving people encircled and besieged.

    Iran on the other hand seem to be focused on fighting completely different war and are using current "truce" in Idlib to try to pull another attempt at securing connection with Lebanon.

    So now we have two currents in Syrian government. Pro Iran and pro Russia.

    This results in Iranians forcing SAA to divert troops towards the south to push their Shia Crescent project and to secure more influence in post war Syria. Which is idiotic on several levels because not only are they incapable of matching Russian muscle but securing Syria like Russia is pushing for will result in connection to Lebanon either way.

    Problem is that this approach will not give them full control afterwards. This results in them diverting SAA into this southern detour while hoping that if SHTF Russia will do their fighting for them. Russia not being stupid simply decided to let them get fucked back to their senses.

    Problem is that this results in operation to lift siege of DeZ being delayed. This is why there are still no big movements on that front yet. Russia managed to to free up troops for this op with those deescalation zones but Iranians, being parasites as usual, immediately started fucking up again.

    And DeZ get to suffer bit longer as a result.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #12

    Post  ultimatewarrior on Fri May 19, 2017 3:14 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    What we seem to have now in Syria is conflict between Russia and Iran.

    Russia wants to secure E.Aleppo and push towards Deir ez Zorr. This will allow them to pretty much secure all pro gov. population centers and then refocus on Idlib.

    There is also matter of principle. They abhor leaving people encircled and besieged.

    Iran on the other hand seem to be focused on fighting completely different war and are using current "truce" in Idlib to try to pull another attempt at securing connection with Lebanon.

    So now we have two currents in Syrian government. Pro Iran and pro Russia.

    This results in Iranians forcing SAA to divert troops towards the south to push their Shia Crescent project and to secure more influence in post war Syria. Which is idiotic on several levels because not only are they incapable of matching Russian muscle but securing Syria like Russia is pushing for will result in connection to Lebanon either way.

    Problem is that this approach will not give them full control afterwards. This results in them diverting SAA into this southern detour while hoping that if SHTF Russia will do their fighting for them. Russia not being stupid simply decided to let them get fucked back to their senses.

    Problem is that this results in operation to lift siege of DeZ being delayed. This is why there are still no big movements on that front yet. Russia managed to to free up troops for this op with those deescalation zones but Iranians, being parasites as usual, immediately started fucking up again.

    And DeZ get to suffer bit longer as a result.

    Iran is right. Idlib should have been cleared back in 2015 when Fua and Kefraya siege lifted. Western Syria is important. Eastern Syria is not. It's all desert, just like Mars. No water. No food. No nothing.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #12

    Post  nomadski on Fri May 19, 2017 4:19 pm

    All of syria is syrian territory . Ultimately no terrorists or uninvited forces should remain there . Terrorists and irreconcilables can not hold territory . Democratic forces who promise or aim to be part of political process can . Provisional to working with central government . Allowing passage of national forces to secure borders . And contributing forces to national government forces . Similarly patriotic forces can move freely in government held areas . For purposes of trade and logistic support .

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