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    Post  calm on Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:52 pm

    +h of pure action from north Hama. Insane RuAF airstrikes, and SAA infantry charges. Terrorists on the run.
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    Post  ATLASCUB on Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:09 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    par far wrote:..................

    Russia really does not to need to send a lot of troops, 7,000-10,000 would do wonders. Russia has been modernizing the military and only way to find how good they are is to test in a real conflict. If Russia sends 7,000 and Iran sends 7,000 that is 14,000 well trained and well equipped troops, send them to the most important areas.

    This is without a doubt dumbest possible thing Russia could do. They should be reducing number of troops in the field. What they have there already is way too much.

    Russia has been modernizing it's military but purpose that military is to protect Russia and enforce Russian interests, not screw around in some sand filled sh*thole without reason or purpose.

    I believe this is just some Iranian bullshit rumor. No way Russian public would go for it. One of great advantages of having a conscript army in the age of Internet.  


    par far wrote:............

    Iran needs to arms its proxies and they have lots of ways to do that.

    With what? And trough what ways? What do they have that can not be more easily obtained elsewhere and with much less hassle?

    Only military value Iran can possibly have here is amount of meat they can throw at the enemy. Problem is that they are not doing it.

    Like their Saudi cousins they expect other to do their dirty work. Saudis at least pay good money to Americans for services rendered. Iranians expect Russia to do it for free.
    The fu*king nerve on those parasites.

    Hopefully, with this thing winding down, Mattis & Co will soon be kicking down Ayatollah's door and there will be some much deserved karmic realignment.

    If they get to Iran, as you suggest with joy, where do you think they'll move next once they secure geopolitical control of the region (in its totality), and thus protection for their dollars for years to come - as well as providing alternatives to Russian energy for their allies in Europe (practically all of western Europe) in times of "crisis" (manufactured). They'll move north next. What's north of Iran? Lets see...Gee!

    And looking at the success they've had in Ukraine in neutralizing the country as well as spreading managed chaos, notwithstanding cockblocking the Russian economy in the process - setting it years back, literally at will; well.....losing "partners" and geopolitical influence is a great strategic idea for failure. Like hopping frogs, by small leaps they get closer to the prize - and the world pays for it. Looking at how countries in the region love being under the U.S umbrella, only Belarus is still standing - it seems good neighbors are lacking already.

    Russia will not be destroyed by tanks and cannons - no. It's neutralized similarly to what forced the collapse of the USSR - keeping it marginalized and contained as a power - never achieving its true potential. Anything else (territorial disintegration) is gravy. Gorbachev/Yeltsin and their gang providing many gifts. Putin being a roadblock - of which they're working slowly to get rid off.

    So in short, absurd nonsense. The idea that Russia is in Syria just to protect a naval base is still one of the dumbest things I've seen in this sub - or in other phrasing, Russian interests. No naval base is worth that money or blood - nor will you be able to keep it for long being so surrounded without strategic allies. As for deals with the U.S.... lol! - all U.S deals have a killswitch - called convenience for the time being. Just like NATO not moving further East, the IBM treaty, Ukraine, the Iran Nuclear deal/sanctions relief etc.

    Obama put it perfectly well if I remember. He said that Russian actions come from weakness, not strength - as if rubbing it in the face for anyone that knew how to read between the lines. It's true.


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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:54 pm

    sanctions accelerated the economy, not move it years back as you say numbnuts.

    As well, Iran was a shitty ally. In the end, Iran has been sanctioned for over 30 years and yet still moved forward. Russia is far better. Ukraine was a black hole and a issue waiting to happen and it did. Russia could have done something but they didn't and now they are facing the issue for it with the potential to gain something out of it (Donbass). They may try to surround Russia to prevent its full potential but Russia has not seen such patriotism in decades, Putin or not, the years of American ass lickers is gone and if you cant seem to figure that out, it is probably because you know jack shit about Russia.

    Regardless, Iran is a potential foe for Russia (as has been in the past) and preventing Iran from getting too strong is in Russia's interest. At the same time, they wont just hand them over to the wolves. It is also up to Iran to do their part too.
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    Post  ATLASCUB on Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:04 am

    miketheterrible wrote:sanctions accelerated the economy, not move it years back as you say numbnuts.

    As well, Iran was a shitty ally.  In the end, Iran has been sanctioned for over 30 years and yet still moved forward.  Russia is far better.  Ukraine was a black hole and a issue waiting to happen and it did.  Russia could have done something but they didn't and now they are facing the issue for it with the potential to gain something out of it (Donbass).  They may try to surround Russia to prevent its full potential but Russia has not seen such patriotism in decades, Putin or not, the years of American ass lickers is gone and if you cant seem to figure that out, it is probably because you know jack shit about Russia.

    Regardless, Iran is a potential foe for Russia (as has been in the past) and preventing Iran from getting too strong is in Russia's interest.  At the same time, they wont just hand them over to the wolves.  It is also up to Iran to do their part too.

    Pretty sure it did. Might want to look it up before calling someone numbnuts. I'll give you a hint where you can start, rate of growth. You can delve much deeper into other aspects in your free time as well...including purchasing power of the average Russian among other things.

    Lets not confuse "acceleration" with positive reforms to get "back on track".

    Russia is full of shitty allies going by those standards. The good/strong allies belong to the Americans. How do you plan on stealing them away? Actually, if you can't keep your "shitty" allies in the first place I'm not sure you're well positioned to flip (steal) anything. Those shitty allies become good/strong allies, as soon as the Americans swallow them up and bring them under their umbrella - no sanctions, less poverty, tight control, obedience - perfect client states. But anyway just flawed logic. Among Syrian circles they're probably saying to themselves the same - we got the shitty ally - amerikans got the bigger dick. True True..


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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:06 am

    ATLASCUB wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:sanctions accelerated the economy, not move it years back as you say numbnuts.

    As well, Iran was a shitty ally.  In the end, Iran has been sanctioned for over 30 years and yet still moved forward.  Russia is far better.  Ukraine was a black hole and a issue waiting to happen and it did.  Russia could have done something but they didn't and now they are facing the issue for it with the potential to gain something out of it (Donbass).  They may try to surround Russia to prevent its full potential but Russia has not seen such patriotism in decades, Putin or not, the years of American ass lickers is gone and if you cant seem to figure that out, it is probably because you know jack shit about Russia.

    Regardless, Iran is a potential foe for Russia (as has been in the past) and preventing Iran from getting too strong is in Russia's interest.  At the same time, they wont just hand them over to the wolves.  It is also up to Iran to do their part too.

    Pretty sure it did. Might want to look it up before calling someone numbnuts. I'll give you a hint where you can start, rate of growth. You can dwelve much deeper into other aspects in your free time as well...including purchasing power of the average Russian among other things.

    Lets not confuse "acceleration" with positive reforms to get "back on track"


    Might I suggest where you look at economic activity in Russia and what is growing vs what wasnt?  Lets see - Cheap credit (not real growth, artificial) and oil and gas (which held a gun to Russia for a while) that declined.  Yet, production is up, agriculture is up, development of high tech and new technologies is up, diversification is up, etc.  GDP growth is absolutely not a good indication of how an economy is doing, if you think so, then take a look at the United States and their perpetual debt.  China and its fake economy, etc.  These sanctions was a grace from god for Russia.

    I am an avid follower of Russia's economic development, and majority of businessmen and investors are absolutely loving these sanctions in Russia because it means more development and money for them.  And so far, it is working quite nicely.

    Of course, you probably read typical MSM so I wouldn't deny the idea that your brain is probably damaged beyond repair.

    There is a thing called market correcting.  Where in this case, Russia's market corrected itself after a year and a half.  Which is quite healthy for a real economy.  Fake economies are perpetual growth which does not exist in nature.  US is prolonging its inevitable fall economically.  Not healthy at all. If you think sanctions actually matters, then you have little knowledge on history. Look up Iran's economy since 1979 to now. Much larger than when Shah was in power.
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    Post  ATLASCUB on Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:31 am

    miketheterrible wrote:
    ATLASCUB wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:sanctions accelerated the economy, not move it years back as you say numbnuts.

    As well, Iran was a shitty ally.  In the end, Iran has been sanctioned for over 30 years and yet still moved forward.  Russia is far better.  Ukraine was a black hole and a issue waiting to happen and it did.  Russia could have done something but they didn't and now they are facing the issue for it with the potential to gain something out of it (Donbass).  They may try to surround Russia to prevent its full potential but Russia has not seen such patriotism in decades, Putin or not, the years of American ass lickers is gone and if you cant seem to figure that out, it is probably because you know jack shit about Russia.

    Regardless, Iran is a potential foe for Russia (as has been in the past) and preventing Iran from getting too strong is in Russia's interest.  At the same time, they wont just hand them over to the wolves.  It is also up to Iran to do their part too.

    Pretty sure it did. Might want to look it up before calling someone numbnuts. I'll give you a hint where you can start, rate of growth. You can dwelve much deeper into other aspects in your free time as well...including purchasing power of the average Russian among other things.

    Lets not confuse "acceleration" with positive reforms to get "back on track"


    Might I suggest where you look at economic activity in Russia and what is growing vs what wasnt?  Lets see - Cheap credit (not real growth, artificial) and oil and gas (which held a gun to Russia for a while) that declined.  Yet, production is up, agriculture is up, development of high tech and new technologies is up, diversification is up, etc.  GDP growth is absolutely not a good indication of how an economy is doing, if you think so, then take a look at the United States and their perpetual debt.  China and its fake economy, etc.  These sanctions was a grace from god for Russia.

    I am an avid follower of Russia's economic development, and majority of businessmen and investors are absolutely loving these sanctions in Russia because it means more development and money for them.  And so far, it is working quite nicely.

    Of course, you probably read typical MSM so I wouldn't deny the idea that your brain is probably damaged beyond repair.

    There is a thing called market correcting.  Where in this case, Russia's market corrected itself after a year and a half.  Which is quite healthy for a real economy.  Fake economies are perpetual growth which does not exist in nature.  US is prolonging its inevitable fall economically.  Not healthy at all.  If you think sanctions actually matters, then you have little knowledge on history.  Look up Iran's economy since 1979 to now.  Much larger than when Shah was in power.

    Well, as you put it, it seems sanctions are a great education tool for Russians. It teaches them how to properly run/develop an economy. Without such a stimuli, they'll be stuck to "fake economies" as you put it - or so the logic goes of the incapacity of Russians to see things that should be clear. One has to wonder, what else are they not seeing clearly? The americans are wise indeed, still giving others lessons. If they see fit they might come up with other lessons for the Russians to learn - requiring other pieces of the puzzle to solve, provided enough pieces exist.

    As for the Russian "recovery"..like I said, in your free time...look at it all and see things in a more balanced way -for everything has a cost. The fallacy of market correction when central banks exist is a joke. Also the Russian budget deficit shortfalls weren't made up by thin air. Only a balanced look at the situation allows a person to see clearly things the way they're.

    Pretty sure Gorbachev and Yeltsin were "patriots" as well. Patriotism =/= whatever it's you're equating as to being the benefit. It's called good leadership vs. bad leadership masquerading as good leadership until the effects of poor leadership manifest themselves in such a way that it can not be denied and lead to decay or collapse - and the rectifying process taking years to correct damage done (with some things not being recoverable).
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:54 am

    ATLASCUB wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:
    ATLASCUB wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:sanctions accelerated the economy, not move it years back as you say numbnuts.

    As well, Iran was a shitty ally.  In the end, Iran has been sanctioned for over 30 years and yet still moved forward.  Russia is far better.  Ukraine was a black hole and a issue waiting to happen and it did.  Russia could have done something but they didn't and now they are facing the issue for it with the potential to gain something out of it (Donbass).  They may try to surround Russia to prevent its full potential but Russia has not seen such patriotism in decades, Putin or not, the years of American ass lickers is gone and if you cant seem to figure that out, it is probably because you know jack shit about Russia.

    Regardless, Iran is a potential foe for Russia (as has been in the past) and preventing Iran from getting too strong is in Russia's interest.  At the same time, they wont just hand them over to the wolves.  It is also up to Iran to do their part too.

    Pretty sure it did. Might want to look it up before calling someone numbnuts. I'll give you a hint where you can start, rate of growth. You can dwelve much deeper into other aspects in your free time as well...including purchasing power of the average Russian among other things.

    Lets not confuse "acceleration" with positive reforms to get "back on track"


    Might I suggest where you look at economic activity in Russia and what is growing vs what wasnt?  Lets see - Cheap credit (not real growth, artificial) and oil and gas (which held a gun to Russia for a while) that declined.  Yet, production is up, agriculture is up, development of high tech and new technologies is up, diversification is up, etc.  GDP growth is absolutely not a good indication of how an economy is doing, if you think so, then take a look at the United States and their perpetual debt.  China and its fake economy, etc.  These sanctions was a grace from god for Russia.

    I am an avid follower of Russia's economic development, and majority of businessmen and investors are absolutely loving these sanctions in Russia because it means more development and money for them.  And so far, it is working quite nicely.

    Of course, you probably read typical MSM so I wouldn't deny the idea that your brain is probably damaged beyond repair.

    There is a thing called market correcting.  Where in this case, Russia's market corrected itself after a year and a half.  Which is quite healthy for a real economy.  Fake economies are perpetual growth which does not exist in nature.  US is prolonging its inevitable fall economically.  Not healthy at all.  If you think sanctions actually matters, then you have little knowledge on history.  Look up Iran's economy since 1979 to now.  Much larger than when Shah was in power.

    Well, as you put it, it seems sanctions are a great education tool for Russians. It teaches them how to properly run/develop an economy. Without such a stimuli, they'll be stuck to "fake economies" as you put it - or so the logic goes of the incapacity of Russians to see things that should be clear. One has to wonder, what else are they not seeing clearly? The americans are wise indeed, still giving others lessons. If they see fit they might come up with other lessons for the Russians to learn - requiring other pieces of the puzzle to solve, provided enough pieces exist.

    As for the Russian "recovery"..like I said, in your free time...look at it all and see things in a more balanced way -for everything has a cost. The fallacy of market correction when central banks exist is a joke. Also the Russian budget deficit shortfalls weren't made up by thin air. Only a balanced look at the situation allows a person to see clearly things the way they're.

    Pretty sure Gorbachev and Yeltsin were "patriots" as well. Patriotism =/= whatever it's you're equating as to being the benefit. It's called good leadership vs. bad leadership masquerading as good leadership until the effects of poor leadership manifest themselves in such a way that it can not be denied and lead to decay or collapse - and the rectifying process taking years to correct damage done (with some things not being recoverable).

    The USSR was a mistake for a huge part of it, and most states were simply sucking at the teet of moscow. Budget shortfalls happen all the time, and even in "advanced" economies like Canada. But thanks to having to be forced to look at the economy in a self reliant way rather so more than free money around, this is a good lesson for Russians. They are still new to this "free market" (LOL) concept. Reality is showing a different tune than you state. I see things clearly, I have been for the last 15 years especially when watching the market. Russia is a huge domestic consumer that relied too much on imports. Times are changing thanks to Americans.

    Not like the American's are doing anyone a favor, and already the world is starting to splinter thanks to no one wanting to see things equally. As I iterate, Iran is no friend of Russia, and sanctions are a blessing (as they are for everyone, like 1976 South Africa). Russia will keep Iran at arms length and they won't simply let Iran fall to the US. If the US wanted to, they would have done something long ago. Instead it backfired. Much like everything else they have touched. The rest is simply a fireworks show.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:20 am

    ATLASCUB wrote:....

    .......Those shitty allies become good/strong allies, as soon as the Americans swallow them up and bring them under their umbrella - no sanctions, less poverty, tight control, obedience - perfect client states. .......



    Iraq

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    Post  ATLASCUB on Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:36 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    ATLASCUB wrote:....

    .......Those shitty allies become good/strong allies, as soon as the Americans swallow them up and bring them under their umbrella - no sanctions, less poverty, tight control, obedience - perfect client states. .......

    Iraq

    Nothing further to add

    Enjoy future

    Iraq is in limbo atm - belongs to no one strategically but the U.S will penetrate Iraq economically where possible since they're being outsmarted by Iran in the political sphere - not to mention the bad blood that undoubtedly exist for them making it difficult. The only reason Iraq is questionable is because Iran exists as we know it - a counterbalance - not because of anything else. Bush the failure misused American power and treasury - like a madman. Even the mighty make colossal mistakes by electing fools. Bad leadership masquerading as good leadership until the failure could not be denied. The Americans who are not clowns agree. Still, Americans get it right majority of the time.

    So in fairness should we add the list of American client/vassal states in the region for that sake. Adding Eastern Europe would be overkill I think. Not worth mentioning Asia (Japan is enough I think)/Latin America etc. Western Europe is just too much.
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    In other news the Turks are stirring the pot:

    https://twitter.com/NBCNightlyNews/status/856940363638071298

    Ploy to get an American no-fly zone? Doubtful given the small geographic control of land so it's probably a "come home to our side - ditch the Kurds" ploy.
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    Post  eehnie on Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:30 am

    ATLASCUB wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    ATLASCUB wrote:....

    .......Those shitty allies become good/strong allies, as soon as the Americans swallow them up and bring them under their umbrella - no sanctions, less poverty, tight control, obedience - perfect client states. .......

    Iraq

    Nothing further to add

    Enjoy future

    Iraq is in limbo atm - belongs to no one strategically but the U.S will penetrate Iraq economically where possible since they're being outsmarted by Iran in the political sphere - not to mention the bad blood that undoubtedly exist for them making it difficult. The only reason Iraq is questionable is because Iran exists as we know it - a counterbalance - not because of anything else. Bush the failure misused American power and treasury - like a madman. Even the mighty make colossal mistakes by electing fools. Bad leadership masquerading as good leadership until the failure could not be denied. The Americans who are not clowns agree. Still, Americans get it right majority of the time.

    So in fairness should we add the list of American client/vassal states in the region for that sake. Adding Eastern Europe would be overkill I think. Not worth mentioning Asia (Japan is enough I think)/Latin America etc. Western Europe is just too much.
    ======================================

    In other news the Turks are stirring the pot:

    https://twitter.com/NBCNightlyNews/status/856940363638071298

    Ploy to get an American no-fly zone? Doubtful given the small geographic control of land so it's probably a "come home to our side - ditch the Kurds" ploy.

    I do not agree with your point. There are multiple examples of countries which powerty has been only caused by the US policies. As exampla all Latin America. Almost all the continent has been under the US rule. Colombia as example has today lower GDP per capita than Venezuela. Haiti continues beign the country with the lowest GPD per capita, and Honduras, another of the countries full controled by the US, is the second with lowest GDP per capita in the continent, worse than Nicaragua or Bolivia.

    Africa? Well... How is the economy of the best African allies of the US? Easy to see.

    It is necessary to look at the overall picture. Not only to some places, but even in Europe it is not like you commented. Look at Greece, as example, Spain,... Are not these countries near of the US? To blame to Tsipras is typical, but is not right. In fact Tsipras is a reaction of the people to the Western economical system. "Free markets" well, I laugh with it, better to say "Corrupt markets".

    Today the US sanctions for countries of the continental platform of Asia have almost not effect, because there are not countries that follow them. But even where they can have more effect like in Latin America, it is not a decisive factor, like we can see in the case of Cuba.
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    VIDEO: Turkish airstrikes obliterate Kurdish radio station in northern Syria
    DAMASCUS, SYRIA (0:30 A.M.) – Over 20 Turkish aerial sorties were conducted over Kurdish-held Syria and Iraq on Tuesday, resulting in the death of at least 18 YPG and Peshmerga militants and causing significant material damage.
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    Post  ATLASCUB on Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:16 am

    eehnie wrote:
    ATLASCUB wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    ATLASCUB wrote:....

    .......Those shitty allies become good/strong allies, as soon as the Americans swallow them up and bring them under their umbrella - no sanctions, less poverty, tight control, obedience - perfect client states. .......

    Iraq

    Nothing further to add

    Enjoy future

    Iraq is in limbo atm - belongs to no one strategically but the U.S will penetrate Iraq economically where possible since they're being outsmarted by Iran in the political sphere - not to mention the bad blood that undoubtedly exist for them making it difficult. The only reason Iraq is questionable is because Iran exists as we know it - a counterbalance - not because of anything else. Bush the failure misused American power and treasury - like a madman. Even the mighty make colossal mistakes by electing fools. Bad leadership masquerading as good leadership until the failure could not be denied. The Americans who are not clowns agree. Still, Americans get it right majority of the time.

    So in fairness should we add the list of American client/vassal states in the region for that sake. Adding Eastern Europe would be overkill I think. Not worth mentioning Asia (Japan is enough I think)/Latin America etc. Western Europe is just too much.
    ======================================

    In other news the Turks are stirring the pot:

    https://twitter.com/NBCNightlyNews/status/856940363638071298

    Ploy to get an American no-fly zone? Doubtful given the small geographic control of land so it's probably a "come home to our side - ditch the Kurds" ploy.

    I do not agree with your point. There are multiple examples of countries which powerty has been only caused by the US policies. As exampla all Latin America. Almost all the continent has been under the US rule. Colombia as example has today lower GDP per capita than Venezuela. Haiti continues beign the country with the lowest GPD per capita, and Honduras, another of the countries full controled by the US, is the second with lowest GDP per capita in the continent, worse than Nicaragua or Bolivia.

    Africa? Well... How is the economy of the best African allies of the US? Easy to see.

    It is necessary to look at the overall picture. Not only to some places, but even in Europe it is not like you commented. Look at Greece, as example, Spain,... Are not these countries near of the US? To blame to Tsipras is typical, but is not right. In fact Tsipras is a reaction of the people to the Western economical system. "Free markets" well, I laugh with it, better to say "Corrupt markets".

    Today the US sanctions for countries of the continental platform of Asia have almost not effect, because there are not countries that follow them. But even where they can have more effect like in Latin America, it is not a decisive factor, like we can see in the case of Cuba.

    Umm... being a good client state/vassal state =/= being economically rich and prosperous because of U.S influence or lack there-off. It means these states fall under the U.S umbrella and as such are useful in helping project american power, defend american interests (economic, political etc) and keeping american rivals at bay - in many cases; help the U.S defeat said rivals/enemies. Not each state is as useful or as powerful, contrast Germany, Japan and others to Panama or Costa Rica etc etc. Each state brings something - even if that something is just being another state on a list of vassals. But since you mention LatAm; well......the U.S likes to keep its southern backyard relatively weak to avoid it challenging its power and control since Latin American countries share a common language - and they won't forget oppression if they ever get to form a strong enough block to challenge american power successfully. Divide and conquer rules that region - which means inducing chaos that sets back and holds progress in said countries when one (or several) of them falls out of line.

    Ukraine is a perfect example of a state that's under U.S control and its usefulness, while not optimal because of its economic condition, is still a great get and punch on Russian borders, an american rival/enemy. It's sometimes just that simple. Got nothing to do with the welfare of the Ukranians or their wealth (although resources will always play a role as long as they're available - you don't leave that on the table (IMF)). For this specific case it's got more to do with hurting Russia and containing Russia in Russia's own backyard.
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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:51 am

    What's that discussion got to do with this thread?
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    Post  ATLASCUB on Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:41 pm

    JohninMK wrote:What's that discussion got to do with this thread?

    Nothing...just a related topic that branched off....expected a mod to drop-by to move it to talking bullocks but hey...
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    Post  starman on Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:50 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    If ''Zionists'' are coming after anyone then Russia will be at bottom of their list.

    Putin may not want to oppose Israel, but siding with Assad and by extension Iran could put Russia on an eventual collision course with Israel. No doubt Russia is careful now to avoid problems with Israel because it has its hands full just shoring up Assad. Someday, if all this internal arab conflict finally ends and Syria and Iraq are again state actors worth the name, inevitably attention will again turn to Israel. To maintain its influence in the region, Russia, like the USSR, will have to follow suit.

    It is Iran that has a ''Zionist'' problem so if it bothers them so much they should get their over-advertised asses into gear and start pulling their weight

    They've been trying but it's tough. Look at their nuke program. The pro-Israel bunch got the US to impose sanctions and threaten an attack if they didn't give it up.
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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:54 pm

    Russia is the arms supplier to SAA, Iran, Hezbollah. If it weren't for these being controlled by Russia, they would have attacked Israel by now. Israel should show Russia gratitude for there being peace in Israel. If this were the middle ages, Jews be slaughtered just like in the movie Kingdom Of Heaven.
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    Post  calm on Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:53 pm

    Syrian Army enters Shaer fields
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    http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=34.849708&lon=37.891223&z=17&m=bh&show=/31106183/Ash-Shaer-GGS&search=Hama
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    Post  calm on Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:20 pm

    more

    East Homs.
    Shaer fields is fully under control along with most of the mountain. East Hama has been reentered, for the first time since 2014
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    Post  Kimppis on Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:49 pm

    First of all, the Chinese economy is the opposite of "fake". That said, the falling oil prices were the biggest issue for the Russian economy, not the sanctions. Same thing with the devaluation. Which was overall a good thing for the economy, in the current situation. The GDP decline was actually less than 3% for the period overall (if you include the growth in 2014), which is a modest drop, and again, mostly due to oil price.

    And the Russian intervention in Syria has not been expensive.
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    Post  calm on Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:16 pm

    Turkey attacking Kurds
    2 turkish tanks destroyed by YPG with ATGMs at the border of Derbassiye and Senyurt. Casualties also among YPG.
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    YPG destroyed a turkish tank in Dirbesiye siwith an ATGM as response to turkish attacks, which go on since this morning
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    BREAKING US commander visited Syria's Derik yesterday was accompanied by PKK's armed wing HPG commander Şahin Cilo
    US commander yesterday was walking with a PKK commander who is responsible for countless attacks against Turkish forces, and citizens
    Turkey designated PKK comdr Şahin Cilo as a leading terrorist, but US commander walks with him as a show of support against Turkish strikes

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    Left: Turkish backed FSA threaten to slaughter US SOF.

    Right: US SOF walk safely with YPG commanders and thousands of local civilians.
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    damage caused by Turkish airstrikes on cemetery for Kurdish fighters who lost their lives in war against ISIS.
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    Post  calm on Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:34 pm

    footage of YPG forces in #Efrin #Syria firing an ATGM at a Turkish military position.

    Border post
    https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/857245015072010240

    here / http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=36.684729&lon=36.608827&z=18&m=h&search=Hama
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:18 pm

    starman wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    It is Iran that has a ''Zionist'' problem so if it bothers them so much they should get their over-advertised asses into gear and start pulling their weight

    They've been trying but it's tough. Look at their nuke program. The pro-Israel bunch got the US to impose sanctions and threaten an attack if they didn't give it up.

    Nuke programme and sanctions are completely irrelevant for operation in Syria. Infantry does not need nukes.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:24 pm


    calm wrote:.............

    Right: US SOF walk safely with YPG commanders and thousands of local civilians.
    Syrian War: News #12 - Page 22 C-WlKNnXcAAPYUv

    ................

    Can't help but notice those very conspicuous and visible US flags on his uniform. Gray version of flag is usual military couture but I guess they are waring these to make sure that they don't catch a bullet with ''Made in Turkey'' engraved on it. Wink


    Speaking of couture, those sunglasses leave something to be desired but this is just my personal taste I guess... Cool
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:41 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    starman wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    It is Iran that has a ''Zionist'' problem so if it bothers them so much they should get their over-advertised asses into gear and start pulling their weight

    They've been trying but it's tough. Look at their nuke program. The pro-Israel bunch got the US to impose sanctions and threaten an attack if they didn't give it up.

    Nuke programme and sanctions are completely irrelevant for operation in Syria. Infantry does not need nukes.

    x1000

    People here over exaggerate what sanctions and threats do. People think it is what Russia is afraid of. People forget though how often Iran and Russia as well as others are threatened and sanctioned, yet doesn't stop them doing what they need. It is a game of playing dumb more so than anything. Iran could have air force assets pounding targets in Syria and having am official base, but there seems to be a lack of it. They have no problem sending advisers and small arms though.
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    Post  calm on Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:48 pm

    Huge advance by SAA in 2 days.


    Syrian Army led by 11th Armoured Division capture Jabal Sawwanat West of Shaer fields
    So far Syrian Army has captured almost 400km2 of land from IS in a 2 day offensive.



    2days ago
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    Now, 36km to advance and IS is in pocket
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