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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  Pierre Sprey on Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:01 pm

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    Post  LMFS on Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:38 pm

    Some comments from Yury Slyusar about advanced modelling tools for the Su-57:

    http://www.aviationunion.ru/news_second.php?new=12722

    "Translation" via Translate.ru:

    3/14/2018
    In OAK have told at the expense of what optimized SU-57
    United Aircraft Corporation has noted importance of new methods of mathematical modeling.

    Digital design has allowed to change significantly process of production of planes, to carry out besstapelny assembly of units of a glider and their automatic joining, the president of PJSC OAK Yury Slyusar following the results of the message of the president has told Federal Assembly.

    "Use of domestic supercomputer technologies for mathematical modeling of the gun SU-57 installation has allowed to reduce the term of work on a design for many months, to save tens of millions of rubles" — he has told.

    Besides, use in some SU-57 components of means of topological optimization has allowed to reduce the weight of difficult details of the fighter by 15-20%.

    According to Slyusar, in the nearest future the corporation will enter digital technologies of augmented reality into practice.

    "Their introduction on civil programs will lower time for assembly of difficult cable system for 25%, at the same time the quantity of mistakes will decrease twice" — he has emphasized.

    In further OAK due to application of mathematical modeling plans to reduce natural tests of aerodynamic characteristics of products, verification of their strength characteristics, the onboard equipment, control systems and modes of fighting application.
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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  George1 on Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:51 pm

    Appears that T-50-5 "055 Blue" Su-57 prototype has been carrying out aerial gun testing of its 30mm modernized variant of GSh-30-1 (9А1-4071К) by KBP. Images form 27.03.2018 at Zhukovsky, Russia.









    https://twitter.com/Russian_Defence/status/980592874252365824


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    Post  archangelski on Mon Apr 02, 2018 2:14 am

    George1 wrote:Appears that T-50-5 "055 Blue" Su-57 prototype has been carrying out aerial gun testing of its 30mm modernized variant of GSh-30-1 (9А1-4071К) by KBP. Images form 27.03.2018 at Zhukovsky, Russia.

    And probably weapons separation trials. The left side of the radome has been painted with calibration stripes and the aircraft fitted with hardpoints.

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    Post  George1 on Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:53 pm

    Russia’s 5th-generation fighter jets to fly over Red Square during Victory Parade

    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/998275


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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  Hole on Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:37 pm

    It´s damn time!
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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  JohninMK on Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:06 pm

    In that last photo what is the IL-76 behind it with both a prop and a jet on the wing?
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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  Isos on Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:26 pm

    JohninMK wrote:In that last photo what is the IL-76 behind it with both a prop and a jet on the wing?

    It's a testbed for testing new engines. So yeah it has two different engine.

    Would be intersting to know if the prop is a new one and for which aircraft it is made. Or maybe it's an old plane that was left there with an old engine being tested.

    Edit: google Il-76LL from Gromov flight research institut.
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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  JohninMK on Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:38 pm

    Isos wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:In that last photo what is the IL-76 behind it with both a prop and a jet on the wing?

    It's a testbed for testing new engines. So yeah it has two different engine.

    Would be intersting to know if the prop is a new one and for which aircraft it is made. Or maybe it's an old plane that was left there with an old engine being tested.

    Edit: google Il-76LL from Gromov flight research institut.
    Thanks.
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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  GarryB on Sat Apr 07, 2018 3:54 am

    There is a rather good book I recently bought about aircraft used for all sorts of testbeds, the Il-76LL was one and has done extensive testing of a huge number of different engine types from turboprops to jet engines of all types...


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    Post  LMFS on Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:13 pm

    Isos wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:In that last photo what is the IL-76 behind it with both a prop and a jet on the wing?

    It's a testbed for testing new engines. So yeah it has two different engine.

    Would be intersting to know if the prop is a new one and for which aircraft it is made. Or maybe it's an old plane that was left there with an old engine being tested.

    Edit: google Il-76LL from Gromov flight research institut.

    If I am not wrong this is the testbed for the TV7-117ST, the engine for the new light transport Il-112V

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:15 pm

    Yes, that is the one....


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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  LMFS on Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:31 am

    Another excellent pic of the T50-055, march of this year:




    Edit: was not sure when I saw them at first but other people confirm that what the plane shows are eight war mission stars (!?)

    Better picture here:
    https://russianplanes.net/id227749


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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  Hole on Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:27 pm

    Propably weapons tests.
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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:52 pm

    LMFS wrote:.........
    Edit: was not sure when I saw them at first but other people confirm that what the plane shows are eight war mission stars (!?)

    Better picture here:
    https://russianplanes.net/id227749


    Those really are mission stars but in this case it would mean 80 combat sorties, not 8.

    This makes no sense, was someone fiddling with photoshop again or did paint crew got creative?
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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  GarryB on Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:01 pm

    Those really are mission stars but in this case it would mean 80 combat sorties, not 8.

    For aircraft not yet in service they generally signify testing achievements, not operational ones...


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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  George1 on Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:24 am

    A fourth flying PAK-FA Su-57 prototype T-50-4 sporting a new pix-elated livery photographed during the Victory Day flyover rehearsal over Moscow on 11.04.2018. ©️Aleksey Kudenko





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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  LMFS on Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:17 am

    The first stage engine for the PAK-FA has completed the state trials:

    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201804171253-sqis.htm

    Tests of the engine for the SU-57 fighter are complete
    Kirill Yablochkin
    12:53 17.04.2018
    The state bench tests of the AL-41F-1 engine are complete, have reported in the press service of United Engine Corporation.
    Photo: Russian Defense Ministry
    Video: OAK (archive)

    The total meeting of the state commission on AL-41F-1 has come to the end with solemn delivery of PJSC UEC-UEPA of the act of completion of the state bench tests of the skilled engine, it is said in the statement of the company.

       "AL-41F-1 performs function of the engine of the first stage for the fighter of the fifth generation of SU-57 (PAK PHA). The first test flight PAK PHA with AL-41F-1 has taken place on January 29, 2010", - have reminded in UEC.

    The program of the SU-57 fighter (PAK PHA) provides creation of the first serial samples with the AL-41F-1 engine of the first stage. From the engine for SU-35S (product 117C) him is distinguished the increased draft force, the difficult system of automation, completely digital control system, the new turbine and the improved account characteristics.

    The engine of the second stage (product 30) has to provide to the fighter the cruiser supersonic speed, higher maneuverability, flying range. The first flight of SU-57 with this engine has taken place in December of last year. ■

    --> So it seems they are getting ready to sign the contract for the first squadron and start deliveries next year

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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  dino00 on Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:28 am

    Will product 30 engine be as long to become operational?

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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  Project Canada on Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:29 am

    dino00 wrote:Will product 30 engine be as long to become operational?

    Yup. this is a strong probability so we are looking at around 10 more years of testing, by 2030ish hopefully we will witness the official introduction of Su-57 russia
    Even Russia's UAV programs are running at the same pace, i mean they have been working on these projects for more than a decade and until now they still rely on Israeli "Forpost" Laughing Dont get me wrong, I didn't suddenly turned anti Russian, but the slow pace of these projects is a big disappointment.
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    Post  LMFS on Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:51 am

    Project Canada wrote:
    dino00 wrote:Will product 30 engine be as long to become operational?

    Yup. this is a strong probability so we are looking at around 10 more years of testing, by 2030ish hopefully we will witness the official introduction of Su-57 russia
    Even Russia's UAV programs are running at the same pace, i mean they have been working on these projects for more than a decade and until now they still rely on Israeli "Forpost" Laughing  Dont get me wrong, I didn't suddenly turned anti Russian, but the slow pace of these projects is a big disappointment.

    Well they seem to have other priorities for their money which should be good news for everyone interested in peace. Modern weapons systems are quite complex and take ages to be completed, even among the supposedly rich countries (Eurofighter anyone? JAST then JSF to produce the F-35 like 25 years later?) These are multi-decade programs almost without exception.

    What Russian officials have said is that Product 30 has already been designed, prototypes have been built and bench test has been ongoing for some time now. They were expecting at least three years more of testing until going in series, but since they do not seem to be in a hurry I would conservatively assume 5 years more before serial production of the engine. In the meantime one or maybe two squadrons of Su-57 can go operational and doctrine for its use can be developed. With the Su-35 and other existing aircraft the Russian Federation can take care of realistic conventional threats in that time frame, bigger threats (namely massive, frontal USA attack to the Russian territory) would mean nuclear war so no point in crushing the own economy trying to out-spend the whole NATO for a conventional war, me thinks.


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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  Hole on Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:03 pm

    The Su-27 took nearly 20 years.
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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  Big_Gazza on Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:51 pm

    Project Canada wrote:Yup. this is a strong probability so we are looking at around 10 more years of testing, by 2030ish hopefully we will witness the official introduction of Su-57 russia
    Even Russia's UAV programs are running at the same pace, i mean they have been working on these projects for more than a decade and until now they still rely on Israeli "Forpost" Laughing  Dont get me wrong, I didn't suddenly turned anti Russian, but the slow pace of these projects is a big disappointment.

    You're off yer tree buddy....  its 2018 FFS, and you think the Su-57 won't reach IOC for another 12+ YEARS?

    Fuck off and don't be a total prat. Saying shit like that is an insult, its suggestive that we are all stupid children with an inability to think critically, and I'm taking objection to it.

    BTW the Ruskies already use a lot of drones for surveillance, arty targeting and observing strikes by stand-off weapons , and just because they haven't made been procuring USAF-style weaponized drones for whacking insurgents in 3rd-world shitholes doesn't mean they are "behind" - they simply don't have the same priorities as the Muricans, and have better and more important things to spend money on (like Khinzhal, Zircon, Sarmat, Avangard, Kanyon etc etc etc).
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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  Big_Gazza on Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:07 pm

    Hole wrote:The Su-27 took nearly 20 years.

    Not sure how you figure that.... The Su-27 program began around 1970 as the USSR came to grips with the prospective F-15, and first prototype flew in 1977. IOC was achieved in 1985.

    I guess you can figure 20 years if you consider the time from initial inception to widescale service (ie late 80s) but its a real stretch.

    The PAK FA was initiated around 2002 after award to Sukhoi, with 1st prototype airborne in 2010. I would judge that if the RuAF really wanted it, the Su-57 could make IOC in a year or so, albeit with interim engines.

    However, the reality is that Su-35S and Su-30SM fulfills most of Russia's needs, and her SAM systems are proving to be as capable as HATO feared (Syrian operated export model Buk-2M and Pantsir are performing well in Syria, and really frustrating the NWO cartel-globalists who are not used to their wunder-waffens being shot down by their intended mugging victim...). Unlike the US, Russia has no burning need to rush 5G stealth warplanes into service, so they will work steadily at their own pace according to their own objectives, and pitiful whining by Westerners about what Russia isn't doing is just a useless exhalation of hot air...

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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  Austin on Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:41 pm

    The state bench tests of the AL-41F-1 engine have been completed

    As reported in the press release of United Engine-Building Corporation JSC , the final meeting of the State Commission for the turbojet engine AL-41F-1 concluded with the solemn presentation of the PJSC "UDK-UMPO" (part of the United Engine Corporation of Rostekh) to complete the state bench tests an experienced engine. The ceremony was held in the Moscow branch of the enterprise - the Experimental Design Bureau. A. Lyulka.



    The engine AL-41F-1 in the territory of PJSC "UDK-UMPO", January 2018 (c) bmpd

    Chairman of the State Commission Colonel VA. Bruskov handed over to the general designer-director of the OKB im. A. Lyulki E.Yu. Marchukov the document testifying to the end of the most important stage in the development of AL-41F-1.

    Thus, 14-year experimental design work is completed. The AL-41F-1 performs the function of the first stage engine for the fifth-generation fighter Su-57 (PAK FA). The first test flight of PAK FA with AL-41F-1 took place on January 29, 2010.

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