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    PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:15 pm

    T-47 wrote:So the first 60 products will still use the current engine?

    No. They will go with new one from the get go.

    They plan to buy full package. They tried piecemeal approach with first Su-35 and got burned.

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    Post  T-47 on Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:30 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    No. They will go with new one from the get go.

    They plan to buy full package. They tried piecemeal approach with first Su-35 and got burned.

    So only the first 12 will be with current engine right?
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:25 pm

    T-47 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    No. They will go with new one from the get go.

    They plan to buy full package. They tried piecemeal approach with first Su-35 and got burned.

    So only the first 12 will be with current engine right?

    No.

    There will be no serial aircraft with current engine. Only ones built so far have placeholder engines.

    All serial aircraft will come with Izdelie-30 engines (new ones) from the get go.
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    Post  Kimppis on Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:02 am

    So is the final number of Su-57s going to be around 160? Just saw the number mentioned on Russia Insider. I thought VKS was supposed to get around 200-250 of them? Of course, who knows at this point. I suppose it's kind of pointless to "speculate" because the plane is going to remain in production for decades to come. But yeah, just wondering...
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:16 am

    Kimppis wrote:So is the final number of Su-57s going to be around 160? Just saw the number mentioned on Russia Insider. I thought VKS was supposed to get around 200-250 of them? Of course, who knows at this point. I suppose it's kind of pointless to "speculate" because the plane is going to remain in production for decades to come. But yeah, just wondering...

    I guess they figure around the amount mentioned with its current configuration and not replacing aircraft. It will end up being in greater numbers when other variants exist and has to replace other aircraft in current inventory.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:00 am

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Kimppis wrote:So is the final number of Su-57s going to be around 160? Just saw the number mentioned on Russia Insider. I thought VKS was supposed to get around 200-250 of them? Of course, who knows at this point. I suppose it's kind of pointless to "speculate" because the plane is going to remain in production for decades to come. But yeah, just wondering...

    I guess they figure around the amount mentioned with its current configuration and not replacing aircraft. It will end up being in greater numbers when other variants exist and has to replace other aircraft in current inventory.

    From everything I gathered it looks like that VKS is not only satisfied with performance of Su-30/34/35, they are extatic.

    They did not expect them to prove themselves this well and coupled with advances in SAMs and radars they feel that they can keep relying on them more than they expected.

    This would mean that they are not in a hurry to get T-50s as much as before. They will still get them of course but they will be in less of a rush.

    Syria changes everything again.

    I don't think there will be a cap on T-50s numbers. 160 or 200 of doesn't matter. Look at Su-27. It's derivatives are still rolling off the production lines with no signs of stopping.

    Same will happen with T-50 over time.

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    Post  T-47 on Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:39 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    From everything I gathered it looks like that VKS is not only satisfied with performance of Su-30/34/35, they are extatic.

    They did not expect them to prove themselves this well and coupled with advances in SAMs and radars they feel that they can keep relying on them more than they expected.

    This would mean that they are not in a hurry to get T-50s as much as before. They will still get them of course but they will be in less of a rush.

    Syria changes everything again.

    I don't think there will be a cap on T-50s numbers. 160 or 200 of doesn't matter. Look at Su-27. It's derivatives are still rolling off the production lines with no signs of stopping.

    Same will happen with T-50 over time.

    Agreed, you don't need stealth in all cases.
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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Thu Aug 10, 2017 1:59 am

    Until there isn't something more official (from Sukhoi, for example), we can't be really sure. Until now,. Sukhoi has always confirmed the first flight in the same day, and pictures appeared a couple of days later.
    By the way, what about T-50-10? Is it a static test frame (like T-50-7), or will it fly later?
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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  Big_Gazza on Fri Aug 11, 2017 1:31 pm

    Looks like it is now official: The PAK FA or Sukhoi T-50 will receive the service designation of Su-57.

    https://www.rt.com/news/399291-fifth-generagion-fighter-named/

    The Russian military will name the country’s first fifth-generation fighter jet ‘Sukhoi Su-57,’ the commander of the Russian Air Force has confirmed. The aircraft was dubbed ‘PAK FA’ and ‘T-50’ during its development.

    “The decision has been taken, the plane has been christened. Su-57 is what we are going to call it now,” Gen. Col. Viktor Bondarev told Zvezda, the Russian Defense Ministry’s official TV channel.
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    Post  George1 on Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:43 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:Looks like it is now official:  The PAK FA or Sukhoi T-50 will receive the service designation of Su-57.

    https://www.rt.com/news/399291-fifth-generagion-fighter-named/

    The Russian military will name the country’s first fifth-generation fighter jet ‘Sukhoi Su-57,’ the commander of the Russian Air Force has confirmed. The aircraft was dubbed ‘PAK FA’ and ‘T-50’ during its development.

    “The decision has been taken, the plane has been christened. Su-57 is what we are going to call it now,” Gen. Col. Viktor Bondarev told Zvezda, the Russian Defense Ministry’s official TV channel.

    Yes.
    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2782390.html

    Now it is only left to know the NATO code-name


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    Post  par far on Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:22 pm

    George1 wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:Looks like it is now official:  The PAK FA or Sukhoi T-50 will receive the service designation of Su-57.

    https://www.rt.com/news/399291-fifth-generagion-fighter-named/

    The Russian military will name the country’s first fifth-generation fighter jet ‘Sukhoi Su-57,’ the commander of the Russian Air Force has confirmed. The aircraft was dubbed ‘PAK FA’ and ‘T-50’ during its development.

    “The decision has been taken, the plane has been christened. Su-57 is what we are going to call it now,” Gen. Col. Viktor Bondarev told Zvezda, the Russian Defense Ministry’s official TV channel.

    Yes.
    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2782390.html

    Now it is only left to know the NATO code-name


    Who cares.

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    Post  Svyatoslavich on Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:01 am

    NATO codenames make no sense at all since we now know the original designation.
    Hell, what am I saying.... NATO makes no sense at all.
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:00 am

    George1 wrote:Now it is only left to know the NATO code-name

    Given that HATO codes names are a complete wank and are chosen to be as demeaning as possible, it'll be something less than illustrious...

    Flouncer... Flopper... Flatworm... maybe the'll bring back fish-based names? Fishboard, Fishcake, Fishbox, blah blah, endless HATOstani drivel....

    I wonder what the RuAF boys will call her?
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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  GarryB on Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:05 pm

    Actually what you guys are talking about is the ASCC code names used to identify Soviet and Russian and other aircraft (Chinese etc).

    I remember reading an article in a western magazine about the process where names were changed to make them less flattering... the MiG-15 was going to be called Falcon originally, but was changed to Fagot... the Tu-22 was originally going to be called Beauty... but that was changed to Blinder.

    My suggestion is the Scottish martial art of Fuk-U...


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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:34 pm

    GarryB wrote:Actually what you guys are talking about is the ASCC code names used to identify Soviet and Russian and other aircraft (Chinese etc).

    I remember reading an article in a western magazine about the process where names were changed to make them less flattering... the MiG-15 was going to be called Falcon originally, but was changed to Fagot... the Tu-22 was originally going to be called Beauty... but that was changed to Blinder.

    My suggestion is the Scottish martial art of Fuk-U...

    Considering that Tu-22 carried nukes I'd say Blinder is definitely appropriate. Sounds cool.

    I heard that they are sitting on name Firefox (like the movie) for next Russian fighter jet.
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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  franco on Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:39 pm

    Maybe the F(ph)antom Suspect
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:50 am

    Can't be Phantom with any spelling... these words have to be clear even over bad radio communications, so having a Russian plane called the same thing as something in the German Air Force or the Air Force of Iran does not make sense and breaks their rules.

    Having a Blinder of a game is having a good game, so I suspect that label slipped in because the powers that be misunderstood the context.

    Ironically the Tu-22M family have a heavy SEAD role with large ARM weapons like the Kh-22M to engage land based radar and major SAM bases, so Blinder would have worked there too.

    Of course all the confusion regarding the Tu-22Ms existence and creation seems to suggest a little backfire in the plan to get it operational, though it is a much better aircraft especially in the last model M3 version.


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    Post  hoom on Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:55 pm

    If there is any justice it'll be Firefox Cool

    Great pic from MAKS via Reddit

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    Post  T-47 on Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:42 pm

    I'd reserve the name Firefox for MiG-41 (Or whatever the new interceptor designation)
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    Post  hoom on Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:57 pm

    Hmm, you may be right Razz
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:39 am

    Well Firefox was supposed to be a mach 5 plus aircraft...

    But isn't there a military call sign of fox fire to denote a weapon launch or something?

    That might make such a combination ineligible.


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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:37 pm


    Firestorm?

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    Amazing PAK FA maneuvers

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    Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #4

    Post  Austin on Tue Aug 29, 2017 8:03 am

    From Air International Issue  some snippets on PAK-FA from Piotr Butowski





    On 2nd Stage Engine


    The first demonstrator of the izdeliye 30 engine ran in a ground testbed on November 11, 2016. It is still claimed that flight trials of the
    engine will begin in 2017.

    The izdeliye 30 is a clean-sheet design intended to offer increased thrust of 16–17 tonnes compared to 14.5 tonnes today, to
    be lighter, and have fewer parts and lower operating costs. Stealth features are to be introduced. The engine’s cold section will
    have a three-stage compressor (instead of four as in the current 117 engine) and a single-stage turbine; the hot section (engine
    core) will have a five-stage compressor (instead of a nine-stage one) and a singlestage turbine.

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