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No. They will go with new one from the get go.
They plan to buy full package. They tried piecemeal approach with first Su-35 and got burned.
So only the first 12 will be with current engine right?
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So only the first 12 will be with current engine right?
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T-47 wrote:PapaDragon wrote:
No. They will go with new one from the get go.
They plan to buy full package. They tried piecemeal approach with first Su-35 and got burned.
So only the first 12 will be with current engine right?
No.
There will be no serial aircraft with current engine. Only ones built so far have placeholder engines.
All serial aircraft will come with Izdelie-30 engines (new ones) from the get go.
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So is the final number of Su-57s going to be around 160? Just saw the number mentioned on Russia Insider. I thought VKS was supposed to get around 200-250 of them? Of course, who knows at this point. I suppose it's kind of pointless to "speculate" because the plane is going to remain in production for decades to come. But yeah, just wondering...
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Kimppis wrote:So is the final number of Su-57s going to be around 160? Just saw the number mentioned on Russia Insider. I thought VKS was supposed to get around 200-250 of them? Of course, who knows at this point. I suppose it's kind of pointless to "speculate" because the plane is going to remain in production for decades to come. But yeah, just wondering...
I guess they figure around the amount mentioned with its current configuration and not replacing aircraft. It will end up being in greater numbers when other variants exist and has to replace other aircraft in current inventory.
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miketheterrible wrote:Kimppis wrote:So is the final number of Su-57s going to be around 160? Just saw the number mentioned on Russia Insider. I thought VKS was supposed to get around 200-250 of them? Of course, who knows at this point. I suppose it's kind of pointless to "speculate" because the plane is going to remain in production for decades to come. But yeah, just wondering...
I guess they figure around the amount mentioned with its current configuration and not replacing aircraft. It will end up being in greater numbers when other variants exist and has to replace other aircraft in current inventory.
From everything I gathered it looks like that VKS is not only satisfied with performance of Su-30/34/35, they are extatic.
They did not expect them to prove themselves this well and coupled with advances in SAMs and radars they feel that they can keep relying on them more than they expected.
This would mean that they are not in a hurry to get T-50s as much as before. They will still get them of course but they will be in less of a rush.
Syria changes everything again.
I don't think there will be a cap on T-50s numbers. 160 or 200 of doesn't matter. Look at Su-27. It's derivatives are still rolling off the production lines with no signs of stopping.
Same will happen with T-50 over time.
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PapaDragon wrote:
From everything I gathered it looks like that VKS is not only satisfied with performance of Su-30/34/35, they are extatic.
They did not expect them to prove themselves this well and coupled with advances in SAMs and radars they feel that they can keep relying on them more than they expected.
This would mean that they are not in a hurry to get T-50s as much as before. They will still get them of course but they will be in less of a rush.
Syria changes everything again.
I don't think there will be a cap on T-50s numbers. 160 or 200 of doesn't matter. Look at Su-27. It's derivatives are still rolling off the production lines with no signs of stopping.
Same will happen with T-50 over time.
Agreed, you don't need stealth in all cases.
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Looks like 11th one is flying:
https://naked-science.ru/article/tech/novyy-su-57-sovershil-svoy-pervyy
Article:
http://theduran.com/russias-new-su-t-50-fifth-generation-fighter-gets-new-engine-and-new-name/
https://naked-science.ru/article/tech/novyy-su-57-sovershil-svoy-pervyy
Article:
http://theduran.com/russias-new-su-t-50-fifth-generation-fighter-gets-new-engine-and-new-name/
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Until there isn't something more official (from Sukhoi, for example), we can't be really sure. Until now,. Sukhoi has always confirmed the first flight in the same day, and pictures appeared a couple of days later.
By the way, what about T-50-10? Is it a static test frame (like T-50-7), or will it fly later?
By the way, what about T-50-10? Is it a static test frame (like T-50-7), or will it fly later?
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Looks like it is now official: The PAK FA or Sukhoi T-50 will receive the service designation of Su-57.
https://www.rt.com/news/399291-fifth-generagion-fighter-named/
The Russian military will name the country’s first fifth-generation fighter jet ‘Sukhoi Su-57,’ the commander of the Russian Air Force has confirmed. The aircraft was dubbed ‘PAK FA’ and ‘T-50’ during its development.
“The decision has been taken, the plane has been christened. Su-57 is what we are going to call it now,” Gen. Col. Viktor Bondarev told Zvezda, the Russian Defense Ministry’s official TV channel.
https://www.rt.com/news/399291-fifth-generagion-fighter-named/
The Russian military will name the country’s first fifth-generation fighter jet ‘Sukhoi Su-57,’ the commander of the Russian Air Force has confirmed. The aircraft was dubbed ‘PAK FA’ and ‘T-50’ during its development.
“The decision has been taken, the plane has been christened. Su-57 is what we are going to call it now,” Gen. Col. Viktor Bondarev told Zvezda, the Russian Defense Ministry’s official TV channel.
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Big_Gazza wrote:Looks like it is now official: The PAK FA or Sukhoi T-50 will receive the service designation of Su-57.
https://www.rt.com/news/399291-fifth-generagion-fighter-named/
The Russian military will name the country’s first fifth-generation fighter jet ‘Sukhoi Su-57,’ the commander of the Russian Air Force has confirmed. The aircraft was dubbed ‘PAK FA’ and ‘T-50’ during its development.
“The decision has been taken, the plane has been christened. Su-57 is what we are going to call it now,” Gen. Col. Viktor Bondarev told Zvezda, the Russian Defense Ministry’s official TV channel.
Yes.
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2782390.html
Now it is only left to know the NATO code-name
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George1 wrote:Big_Gazza wrote:Looks like it is now official: The PAK FA or Sukhoi T-50 will receive the service designation of Su-57.
https://www.rt.com/news/399291-fifth-generagion-fighter-named/
The Russian military will name the country’s first fifth-generation fighter jet ‘Sukhoi Su-57,’ the commander of the Russian Air Force has confirmed. The aircraft was dubbed ‘PAK FA’ and ‘T-50’ during its development.
“The decision has been taken, the plane has been christened. Su-57 is what we are going to call it now,” Gen. Col. Viktor Bondarev told Zvezda, the Russian Defense Ministry’s official TV channel.
Yes.
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2782390.html
Now it is only left to know the NATO code-name
Who cares.
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NATO codenames make no sense at all since we now know the original designation.
Hell, what am I saying.... NATO makes no sense at all.
Hell, what am I saying.... NATO makes no sense at all.
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George1 wrote:Now it is only left to know the NATO code-name
Given that HATO codes names are a complete wank and are chosen to be as demeaning as possible, it'll be something less than illustrious...
Flouncer... Flopper... Flatworm... maybe the'll bring back fish-based names? Fishboard, Fishcake, Fishbox, blah blah, endless HATOstani drivel....
I wonder what the RuAF boys will call her?
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Actually what you guys are talking about is the ASCC code names used to identify Soviet and Russian and other aircraft (Chinese etc).
I remember reading an article in a western magazine about the process where names were changed to make them less flattering... the MiG-15 was going to be called Falcon originally, but was changed to Fagot... the Tu-22 was originally going to be called Beauty... but that was changed to Blinder.
My suggestion is the Scottish martial art of Fuk-U...
I remember reading an article in a western magazine about the process where names were changed to make them less flattering... the MiG-15 was going to be called Falcon originally, but was changed to Fagot... the Tu-22 was originally going to be called Beauty... but that was changed to Blinder.
My suggestion is the Scottish martial art of Fuk-U...
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GarryB wrote:Actually what you guys are talking about is the ASCC code names used to identify Soviet and Russian and other aircraft (Chinese etc).
I remember reading an article in a western magazine about the process where names were changed to make them less flattering... the MiG-15 was going to be called Falcon originally, but was changed to Fagot... the Tu-22 was originally going to be called Beauty... but that was changed to Blinder.
My suggestion is the Scottish martial art of Fuk-U...
Considering that Tu-22 carried nukes I'd say Blinder is definitely appropriate. Sounds cool.
I heard that they are sitting on name Firefox (like the movie) for next Russian fighter jet.
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Maybe the F(ph)antom 
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Can't be Phantom with any spelling... these words have to be clear even over bad radio communications, so having a Russian plane called the same thing as something in the German Air Force or the Air Force of Iran does not make sense and breaks their rules.
Having a Blinder of a game is having a good game, so I suspect that label slipped in because the powers that be misunderstood the context.
Ironically the Tu-22M family have a heavy SEAD role with large ARM weapons like the Kh-22M to engage land based radar and major SAM bases, so Blinder would have worked there too.
Of course all the confusion regarding the Tu-22Ms existence and creation seems to suggest a little backfire in the plan to get it operational, though it is a much better aircraft especially in the last model M3 version.
Having a Blinder of a game is having a good game, so I suspect that label slipped in because the powers that be misunderstood the context.
Ironically the Tu-22M family have a heavy SEAD role with large ARM weapons like the Kh-22M to engage land based radar and major SAM bases, so Blinder would have worked there too.
Of course all the confusion regarding the Tu-22Ms existence and creation seems to suggest a little backfire in the plan to get it operational, though it is a much better aircraft especially in the last model M3 version.
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If there is any justice it'll be Firefox 
Great pic from MAKS via Reddit
Great pic from MAKS via Reddit
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I'd reserve the name Firefox for MiG-41 (Or whatever the new interceptor designation)
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Hmm, you may be right 
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Well Firefox was supposed to be a mach 5 plus aircraft...
But isn't there a military call sign of fox fire to denote a weapon launch or something?
That might make such a combination ineligible.
But isn't there a military call sign of fox fire to denote a weapon launch or something?
That might make such a combination ineligible.
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Firestorm?
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From Air International Issue some snippets on PAK-FA from Piotr Butowski
On 2nd Stage Engine
On 2nd Stage Engine
The first demonstrator of the izdeliye 30 engine ran in a ground testbed on November 11, 2016. It is still claimed that flight trials of the
engine will begin in 2017.
The izdeliye 30 is a clean-sheet design intended to offer increased thrust of 16–17 tonnes compared to 14.5 tonnes today, to
be lighter, and have fewer parts and lower operating costs. Stealth features are to be introduced. The engine’s cold section will
have a three-stage compressor (instead of four as in the current 117 engine) and a single-stage turbine; the hot section (engine
core) will have a five-stage compressor (instead of a nine-stage one) and a singlestage turbine.
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I always thought 101KS-O are not sensors, but laser emitters for DIRCM. Can the letter O stand for "oborona" (defence)?
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