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    Vietnam War 1954-1975

    Post  KiloGolf on Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:28 pm





    Interesting to see such massive losses of the Communists when entering Saigon.
    It seems that propaganda aside, their invasion was probably a meat grinder. unshaven





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    Post  KiloGolf on Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:41 pm

    Some destroyed NVA tanks.

















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    Post  Giulio on Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:50 pm

    What voltage in Vietnam? What happens if electric cables drop on a tank?
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    Post  George1 on Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:56 pm

    The fall of Saigon. When US Military aid dropped, south vietnam's army collapsed..



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    Post  KiloGolf on Tue Jan 03, 2017 11:07 pm

    ARVN grunts, many were probably unmotivated but few stood and fought quite well.







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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Jan 03, 2017 11:10 pm

    NVA platoon was KO'd just outside the Tan Sonh airport, which was the last strong point of the ARVN and last hub out of Saigon. Sections of the city were grinders for the ARVN with many killed by civilians or Viet Vo/Cong. Other sections like the Quang trung Area were hotbeds for the ARVN with many delaying attacks.
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    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Jan 04, 2017 3:51 pm

    More destroyed/captured NVA tanks.





















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    Post  KiloGolf on Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:26 pm

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    Post  KiloGolf on Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:50 pm

    Various AFVs and soldiers in action.
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    Post  Giulio on Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:17 am

    Many of previous pictures, AFAIK, aren't from the Saigon liberation. Burning T-54/55s are from the An Loc battle, Easter Offensive 1972. The PT-76s are maybe from the Lang Vei battle, 1968, or Ben Het attack, 1969. Afaik, the Saigon's liberation in 1975 was much less bloody (relatively to that "Vietnam war criteria" ....) than what you could think.
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    Giulio wrote:Many of previous pictures, AFAIK, aren't from the Saigon liberation. Burning T-54/55s are from the An Loc battle, Easter Offensive 1972. The PT-76s are maybe from the Lang Vei battle, 1968, or Ben Het attack, 1969. Afaik, the Saigon's liberation in 1975 was much less bloody (relatively to that "Vietnam war criteria" ....) than what you could think.

    Oh yeah I know they're not all from 1975 Saigon. But that junction incident with 3 knocked out T-55s proves how ARVN could be lethal if they wanted.
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    Post  Giulio on Sat Jan 07, 2017 12:21 pm

    Yes, it proves that any idiot can press a button against a stationary tank in a crossroads. Afaik, in An Loc, an incorrect artillery barrage formed a pile of debris in city roads, that made difficult to advance for NVA armoured forces and more easy the ARVN defense. The Easter offensive was a military failure for the NVA, but a totally victory in the extending of the total Viet Cong control in the South.
    At that point, the NVA and VC troops still fought for their Country, the ARVN troops fought for a TV or a refrigerator. Who win?
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    Giulio wrote:Yes, it proves that any idiot can press a button against a stationary tank in a crossroads. Afaik, in An Loc, an incorrect artillery barrage formed a pile of debris in city roads, that made difficult to advance for NVA armoured forces and more easy the ARVN defense. The Easter offensive was a military failure for the NVA, but a totally victory in the extending of the total Viet Cong control in the South.
    At that point, the NVA and VC troops still fought for their Country, the ARVN troops fought for a TV or a refrigerator. Who win?

    It takes great skill to massacre T-55s like that but also shows NVA being clueless on certain aspects of warfare. Ultimately with the fall of USSR Vietnam basically lost the ideological and economic war. They also got robbed in terms of their EEZ by China. Which to this day presents a huge loss for them. Fighting someone else's war and winning in the south in 1975 did not really win much for them as people, other than more land in a destroyed country that followed a suicidal system: communism. They'd be better off if they followed the ROK path to success (which after tough times in the 80s, did deliver).

    I know it's hard to comprehend how what seemed as a victory, ultimately resulted in Vietnam loosing in terms of prosperity and sovereignty.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:24 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Giulio wrote:Many of previous pictures, AFAIK, aren't from the Saigon liberation. Burning T-54/55s are from the An Loc battle, Easter Offensive 1972. The PT-76s are maybe from the Lang Vei battle, 1968, or Ben Het attack, 1969. Afaik, the Saigon's liberation in 1975 was much less bloody (relatively to that "Vietnam war criteria" ....) than what you could think.

    Oh yeah I know they're not all from 1975 Saigon. But that junction incident with 3 knocked out T-55s proves how ARVN could be lethal if they wanted.

    It's more complicated, an ambush is always a nasty surprise, but in this case the ARVN couldn't even fight for their life, stocks were very low and the NVA had already cut the Western Part of the City.

    What makes sense is that ARVN would protect and delay the fall of their way out. It's like losing a dozen of T34-85 on the Unter Ter Linden avenue, nothing that could stop the fall of the 3rd Reich.
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    Re: Vietnam War 1954-1975

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    KiloGolf wrote:
    Giulio wrote:Yes, it proves that any idiot can press a button against a stationary tank in a crossroads. Afaik, in An Loc, an incorrect artillery barrage formed a pile of debris in city roads, that made difficult to advance for NVA armoured forces and more easy the ARVN defense. The Easter offensive was a military failure for the NVA, but a totally victory in the extending of the total Viet Cong control in the South.
    At that point, the NVA and VC troops still fought for their Country, the ARVN troops fought for a TV or a refrigerator. Who win?

    It takes great skill to massacre T-55s like that but also shows NVA being clueless on certain aspects of warfare. Ultimately with the fall of USSR Vietnam basically lost the ideological and economic war. They also got robbed in terms of their EEZ by China. Which to this day presents a huge loss for them. Fighting someone else's war and winning in the south in 1975 did not really win much for them as people, other than more land in a destroyed country that followed a suicidal system: communism. They'd be better off if they followed the ROK path to success (which after tough times in the 80s, did deliver).

    I know it's hard to comprehend how what seemed as a victory, ultimately resulted in Vietnam loosing in terms of prosperity and sovereignty.

    Vietnam was already under transformation since the mid-80's. NVA's losses around the airport were par for the course.

    Just let's not forget that the US has recognized the grave dichotomy between tactical and strategic sucesses all tempered by the time needed and circumstances.

    For instance the Soviet retreat and US intervention in Stan were in hindsight huge mistakes and defeats. While the Vietnamese liberation campaign a huge victory even for the US, in hindsight.

    J.F. Keiler wrote: "The Marine Corps’ military operations in urban terrain doctrine recognizes that tactical success does not necessarily translate to strategic victory. It notes the Israeli’s tactical victory in Beirut was a strategic defeat—and observes the same about the Battle of Hue in the Vietnam War, when Marines defeated an enemy that sought to put up a good fight but never expected to win. Much the same can be said of Fallujah’s defenders. In spite of the beating they took in November, they will continue to assert they repelled the initial attack and fought well thereafter."
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    Vietnam War Most Embarrassing Defeat in American History.

    It is hard to imagine that a country like the United States with a tremendous military capabilities that can be defeated in a war, but the United States and its allies have NATO military forces and the most advanced weapons systems at the time.

    Beginning in 1957 Vietnam war U.S involvement, gradually America sent troops to help Vietnam at that time it was colonized by the French. In 1965 there was a split between the Republic of Vietnam (South) and the Democratic Vietnam (North).

    The Vietnam War was originally a civil war between the Republic of Vietnam (South) and the Democratic Vietnam (North), but because of Vietnam war U.S involvement the Republic of Vietnam (South), the Democratic Vietnam (North) felt aggrieved and decided to ask for help to the USSR (Union Soviet, now Russian).

    Vietnam War Start.

    This was the beginning of a war between the two countries Superpower between America and the Soviet Union. War who risked Politics, Ideology, and Also the honor of the nation as a superpower country. Democratic Vietnam (North) that accompanied the American alliance, Australia, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand, and the Philippines, Began to fight with the Democratic Vietnam (North) allies by the Soviet Union, China, and North Korea.



    And when the climax in 1968 with 1.2 million southern alliance military forces Began pounding the northern alliance that only the 520,000 military forces, but in this case the forces of South alliance that tried to attack towards the north a little bit shocked, especially for the allied Because forces they must pass through the Forest wild muddy, swamp Also full of Crocodiles, snakes, and other wild aquatic animals, as well as mountainous terrain that is totally under Reviews their control. It is utilized by the northern alliance to surround and slaughter all-out South alliance troops and allies.

    Vietnam War Deaths

    Many troops from South alliance were killed, wounded, or Became prisoners of the Northern alliance troops. Most of the troops were killed, wounded, or detained are American military forces. During the 5 years of the troops from South alliance of continuous defeat and lost a lot of soldiers.

    “Vietnam war U.S involvement be a bad experience in American history”

    States use a variety of ways to win the war in Vietnam. Including holding a number of covert operations to manipulate the weather in the area of ​​combat.

    From March 1967 until July 1972, the US military spent more than 3 million US dollars to carry out top secreet operations in Southeast Asia. The aim is to extend the rainy season and flooding the Ho Chi Minh Trail, the system supplies used by the enemy in Vietnam.

    American hopes high intensity rainfall and flooding to cause landslides, washed river crossings, or at least interfere with the movement of North Vietnamese forces. It was the first large scale effort that manipulate the weather for military purposes. And to this day it is unclear Whether that tactic worked well. The program goes by many names. Once referred to as Operation Popeye, Motorpool Operations and Operations Intermediary-Compatriot. Operation Passwords should always be changed to avoid leakage.



    But whatever the name, this operation could be considered ambitious. States should lend a hand gods to govern nature. And in a strange way, some American troops saw it as a more effective way than by dropping bombs. “Make mud, not war,” is the official title of an Air Force pilot who perform these missions.

    The project was undertaken by seeding the clouds above countries such as Laos and Vietnam with silver iodide. About 2,000 flights performed during the program that runs five years.

    James Rodger Fleming, author of Fixing the Sky: The Checkered History of Weather and Climate Control explains that it is not clear how successful this program. But if there is something that everyone can agree upon, it is that the program makes it difficult for the military to experiment with tactics like in the future:

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    Re: Vietnam War 1954-1975

    Post  George1 on Sat Apr 01, 2017 2:15 pm

    militaryword wrote:

    Vietnam War Most Embarrassing Defeat in American History.

    It is hard to imagine that a country like the United States with a tremendous military capabilities that can be defeated in a war, but the United States and its allies have NATO military forces and the most advanced weapons systems at the time.

    Beginning in 1957 Vietnam war U.S involvement, gradually America sent troops to help Vietnam at that time it was colonized by the French. In 1965 there was a split between the Republic of Vietnam (South) and the Democratic Vietnam (North).

    The Vietnam War was originally a civil war between the Republic of Vietnam (South) and the Democratic Vietnam (North), but because of Vietnam war U.S involvement the Republic of Vietnam (South), the Democratic Vietnam (North) felt aggrieved and decided to ask for help to the USSR (Union Soviet, now Russian).

    Vietnam War Start.

    This was the beginning of a war between the two countries Superpower between America and the Soviet Union. War who risked Politics, Ideology, and Also the honor of the nation as a superpower country. Democratic Vietnam (North) that accompanied the American alliance, Australia, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand, and the Philippines, Began to fight with the Democratic Vietnam (North) allies by the Soviet Union, China, and North Korea.



    And when the climax in 1968 with 1.2 million southern alliance military forces Began pounding the northern alliance that only the 520,000 military forces, but in this case the forces of South alliance that tried to attack towards the north a little bit shocked, especially for the allied Because forces they must pass through the Forest wild muddy, swamp Also full of Crocodiles, snakes, and other wild aquatic animals, as well as mountainous terrain that is totally under Reviews their control. It is utilized by the northern alliance to surround and slaughter all-out South alliance troops and allies.

    Vietnam War Deaths

    Many troops from South alliance were killed, wounded, or Became prisoners of the Northern alliance troops. Most of the troops were killed, wounded, or detained are American military forces. During the 5 years of the troops from South alliance of continuous defeat and lost a lot of soldiers.

    “Vietnam war U.S involvement be a bad experience in American history”

    States use a variety of ways to win the war in Vietnam. Including holding a number of covert operations to manipulate the weather in the area of ​​combat.

    From March 1967 until July 1972, the US military spent more than 3 million US dollars to carry out top secreet operations in Southeast Asia. The aim is to extend the rainy season and flooding the Ho Chi Minh Trail, the system supplies used by the enemy in Vietnam.

    American hopes high intensity rainfall and flooding to cause landslides, washed river crossings, or at least interfere with the movement of North Vietnamese forces. It was the first large scale effort that manipulate the weather for military purposes. And to this day it is unclear Whether that tactic worked well. The program goes by many names. Once referred to as Operation Popeye, Motorpool Operations and Operations Intermediary-Compatriot. Operation Passwords should always be changed to avoid leakage.



    But whatever the name, this operation could be considered ambitious. States should lend a hand gods to govern nature. And in a strange way, some American troops saw it as a more effective way than by dropping bombs. “Make mud, not war,” is the official title of an Air Force pilot who perform these missions.

    The project was undertaken by seeding the clouds above countries such as Laos and Vietnam with silver iodide. About 2,000 flights performed during the program that runs five years.

    James Rodger Fleming, author of Fixing the Sky: The Checkered History of Weather and Climate Control explains that it is not clear how successful this program. But if there is something that everyone can agree upon, it is that the program makes it difficult for the military to experiment with tactics like in the future:

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    Re: Vietnam War 1954-1975

    Post  militaryword on Sat Apr 01, 2017 2:21 pm

    George1 wrote:
    militaryword wrote:

    Vietnam War Most Embarrassing Defeat in American History.

    It is hard to imagine that a country like the United States with a tremendous military capabilities that can be defeated in a war, but the United States and its allies have NATO military forces and the most advanced weapons systems at the time.

    Beginning in 1957 Vietnam war U.S involvement, gradually America sent troops to help Vietnam at that time it was colonized by the French. In 1965 there was a split between the Republic of Vietnam (South) and the Democratic Vietnam (North).

    The Vietnam War was originally a civil war between the Republic of Vietnam (South) and the Democratic Vietnam (North), but because of Vietnam war U.S involvement the Republic of Vietnam (South), the Democratic Vietnam (North) felt aggrieved and decided to ask for help to the USSR (Union Soviet, now Russian).

    Vietnam War Start.

    This was the beginning of a war between the two countries Superpower between America and the Soviet Union. War who risked Politics, Ideology, and Also the honor of the nation as a superpower country. Democratic Vietnam (North) that accompanied the American alliance, Australia, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand, and the Philippines, Began to fight with the Democratic Vietnam (North) allies by the Soviet Union, China, and North Korea.



    And when the climax in 1968 with 1.2 million southern alliance military forces Began pounding the northern alliance that only the 520,000 military forces, but in this case the forces of South alliance that tried to attack towards the north a little bit shocked, especially for the allied Because forces they must pass through the Forest wild muddy, swamp Also full of Crocodiles, snakes, and other wild aquatic animals, as well as mountainous terrain that is totally under Reviews their control. It is utilized by the northern alliance to surround and slaughter all-out South alliance troops and allies.

    Vietnam War Deaths

    Many troops from South alliance were killed, wounded, or Became prisoners of the Northern alliance troops. Most of the troops were killed, wounded, or detained are American military forces. During the 5 years of the troops from South alliance of continuous defeat and lost a lot of soldiers.

    “Vietnam war U.S involvement be a bad experience in American history”

    States use a variety of ways to win the war in Vietnam. Including holding a number of covert operations to manipulate the weather in the area of ​​combat.

    From March 1967 until July 1972, the US military spent more than 3 million US dollars to carry out top secreet operations in Southeast Asia. The aim is to extend the rainy season and flooding the Ho Chi Minh Trail, the system supplies used by the enemy in Vietnam.

    American hopes high intensity rainfall and flooding to cause landslides, washed river crossings, or at least interfere with the movement of North Vietnamese forces. It was the first large scale effort that manipulate the weather for military purposes. And to this day it is unclear Whether that tactic worked well. The program goes by many names. Once referred to as Operation Popeye, Motorpool Operations and Operations Intermediary-Compatriot. Operation Passwords should always be changed to avoid leakage.



    But whatever the name, this operation could be considered ambitious. States should lend a hand gods to govern nature. And in a strange way, some American troops saw it as a more effective way than by dropping bombs. “Make mud, not war,” is the official title of an Air Force pilot who perform these missions.

    The project was undertaken by seeding the clouds above countries such as Laos and Vietnam with silver iodide. About 2,000 flights performed during the program that runs five years.

    James Rodger Fleming, author of Fixing the Sky: The Checkered History of Weather and Climate Control explains that it is not clear how successful this program. But if there is something that everyone can agree upon, it is that the program makes it difficult for the military to experiment with tactics like in the future:

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