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    Vietnam War 1954-1975

    Post  KiloGolf on Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:28 pm





    Interesting to see such massive losses of the Communists when entering Saigon.
    It seems that propaganda aside, their invasion was probably a meat grinder. unshaven






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    Re: Vietnam War 1954-1975

    Post  KiloGolf on Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:41 pm

    Some destroyed NVA tanks.


















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    Re: Vietnam War 1954-1975

    Post  Giulio on Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:50 pm

    What voltage in Vietnam? What happens if electric cables drop on a tank?

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    Re: Vietnam War 1954-1975

    Post  George1 on Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:56 pm

    The fall of Saigon. When US Military aid dropped, south vietnam's army collapsed..



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    Re: Vietnam War 1954-1975

    Post  KiloGolf on Tue Jan 03, 2017 11:07 pm

    ARVN grunts, many were probably unmotivated but few stood and fought quite well.








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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Jan 03, 2017 11:10 pm

    NVA platoon was KO'd just outside the Tan Sonh airport, which was the last strong point of the ARVN and last hub out of Saigon. Sections of the city were grinders for the ARVN with many killed by civilians or Viet Vo/Cong. Other sections like the Quang trung Area were hotbeds for the ARVN with many delaying attacks.

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    Re: Vietnam War 1954-1975

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Jan 04, 2017 3:51 pm

    More destroyed/captured NVA tanks.






















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    Re: Vietnam War 1954-1975

    Post  KiloGolf on Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:26 pm

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    Post  KiloGolf on Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:50 pm

    Various AFVs and soldiers in action.
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    Re: Vietnam War 1954-1975

    Post  Giulio on Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:17 am

    Many of previous pictures, AFAIK, aren't from the Saigon liberation. Burning T-54/55s are from the An Loc battle, Easter Offensive 1972. The PT-76s are maybe from the Lang Vei battle, 1968, or Ben Het attack, 1969. Afaik, the Saigon's liberation in 1975 was much less bloody (relatively to that "Vietnam war criteria" ....) than what you could think.

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    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:28 am

    Giulio wrote:Many of previous pictures, AFAIK, aren't from the Saigon liberation. Burning T-54/55s are from the An Loc battle, Easter Offensive 1972. The PT-76s are maybe from the Lang Vei battle, 1968, or Ben Het attack, 1969. Afaik, the Saigon's liberation in 1975 was much less bloody (relatively to that "Vietnam war criteria" ....) than what you could think.

    Oh yeah I know they're not all from 1975 Saigon. But that junction incident with 3 knocked out T-55s proves how ARVN could be lethal if they wanted.

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    Post  Giulio on Sat Jan 07, 2017 12:21 pm

    Yes, it proves that any idiot can press a button against a stationary tank in a crossroads. Afaik, in An Loc, an incorrect artillery barrage formed a pile of debris in city roads, that made difficult to advance for NVA armoured forces and more easy the ARVN defense. The Easter offensive was a military failure for the NVA, but a totally victory in the extending of the total Viet Cong control in the South.
    At that point, the NVA and VC troops still fought for their Country, the ARVN troops fought for a TV or a refrigerator. Who win?

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    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:27 pm

    Giulio wrote:Yes, it proves that any idiot can press a button against a stationary tank in a crossroads. Afaik, in An Loc, an incorrect artillery barrage formed a pile of debris in city roads, that made difficult to advance for NVA armoured forces and more easy the ARVN defense. The Easter offensive was a military failure for the NVA, but a totally victory in the extending of the total Viet Cong control in the South.
    At that point, the NVA and VC troops still fought for their Country, the ARVN troops fought for a TV or a refrigerator. Who win?

    It takes great skill to massacre T-55s like that but also shows NVA being clueless on certain aspects of warfare. Ultimately with the fall of USSR Vietnam basically lost the ideological and economic war. They also got robbed in terms of their EEZ by China. Which to this day presents a huge loss for them. Fighting someone else's war and winning in the south in 1975 did not really win much for them as people, other than more land in a destroyed country that followed a suicidal system: communism. They'd be better off if they followed the ROK path to success (which after tough times in the 80s, did deliver).

    I know it's hard to comprehend how what seemed as a victory, ultimately resulted in Vietnam loosing in terms of prosperity and sovereignty.

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:24 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Giulio wrote:Many of previous pictures, AFAIK, aren't from the Saigon liberation. Burning T-54/55s are from the An Loc battle, Easter Offensive 1972. The PT-76s are maybe from the Lang Vei battle, 1968, or Ben Het attack, 1969. Afaik, the Saigon's liberation in 1975 was much less bloody (relatively to that "Vietnam war criteria" ....) than what you could think.

    Oh yeah I know they're not all from 1975 Saigon. But that junction incident with 3 knocked out T-55s proves how ARVN could be lethal if they wanted.

    It's more complicated, an ambush is always a nasty surprise, but in this case the ARVN couldn't even fight for their life, stocks were very low and the NVA had already cut the Western Part of the City.

    What makes sense is that ARVN would protect and delay the fall of their way out. It's like losing a dozen of T34-85 on the Unter Ter Linden avenue, nothing that could stop the fall of the 3rd Reich.

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    Re: Vietnam War 1954-1975

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:34 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Giulio wrote:Yes, it proves that any idiot can press a button against a stationary tank in a crossroads. Afaik, in An Loc, an incorrect artillery barrage formed a pile of debris in city roads, that made difficult to advance for NVA armoured forces and more easy the ARVN defense. The Easter offensive was a military failure for the NVA, but a totally victory in the extending of the total Viet Cong control in the South.
    At that point, the NVA and VC troops still fought for their Country, the ARVN troops fought for a TV or a refrigerator. Who win?

    It takes great skill to massacre T-55s like that but also shows NVA being clueless on certain aspects of warfare. Ultimately with the fall of USSR Vietnam basically lost the ideological and economic war. They also got robbed in terms of their EEZ by China. Which to this day presents a huge loss for them. Fighting someone else's war and winning in the south in 1975 did not really win much for them as people, other than more land in a destroyed country that followed a suicidal system: communism. They'd be better off if they followed the ROK path to success (which after tough times in the 80s, did deliver).

    I know it's hard to comprehend how what seemed as a victory, ultimately resulted in Vietnam loosing in terms of prosperity and sovereignty.

    Vietnam was already under transformation since the mid-80's. NVA's losses around the airport were par for the course.

    Just let's not forget that the US has recognized the grave dichotomy between tactical and strategic sucesses all tempered by the time needed and circumstances.

    For instance the Soviet retreat and US intervention in Stan were in hindsight huge mistakes and defeats. While the Vietnamese liberation campaign a huge victory even for the US, in hindsight.

    J.F. Keiler wrote: "The Marine Corps’ military operations in urban terrain doctrine recognizes that tactical success does not necessarily translate to strategic victory. It notes the Israeli’s tactical victory in Beirut was a strategic defeat—and observes the same about the Battle of Hue in the Vietnam War, when Marines defeated an enemy that sought to put up a good fight but never expected to win. Much the same can be said of Fallujah’s defenders. In spite of the beating they took in November, they will continue to assert they repelled the initial attack and fought well thereafter."

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