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    Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  GarryB on Mon Jun 15, 2015 12:36 pm

    Thanks Garry . but you haven't answered my first question ?

    Can US ships EW system and Nulka decoys or of various hardkill systems  damage russian ashm moskit , yakhont , klub  missile guidance ?

    It is a fight between measure and countermeasure... both sides have an idea of what the other has and how it works and based on that can work out what might stop it from working properly. Of course the other side might anticipate some counter measures and implement some counter counter measures of their own....

    For instance it is know that some high speed Russian missiles have angled titanium plates in their nose to deflect cannon shells and protect the warhead from HE rounds that are intended to set off the warhead. Jammers are effective against active radar guided weapons, but passive homing or missiles using IR guidance are immune to radar jammers... the missiles might even have a home on jam capability... especially those fitted with nuclear warheads that just need to get in the vicinity of the target to be effective.

    Basically the article's opinion is this: Russia is depending on a number of Ukrainian parts of the shipbuilding sector, and a bad Russo-Ukraina relationship is harming the proccess of building Russian Navy.

    Both true and totally wrong at the same time. The Ukraine breaking away is inconvenient because having a hostile neighbour is never a good thing, but then having a broken unreliable neighbour is just as bad... and supporting the little Ukrainian industry that is left with orders was frankly charity work that was not appreciated... the money spent on Ukrainian engines will be better spent on Russian ones now. there will be a delay of a couple of years but in the end Russia will be better off.


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  George1 on Tue Jun 16, 2015 3:17 pm

    Russia developing fifth-generation nuclear subs — design bureau

    According to him, the new boats will be built within the timeframe approved by the military shipbuilding programme for the period until 2050

    PARK PATRIOT (Moscow region), June 16. /TASS/. Russia’s Malakhit Marine Engineering Design Bureau (St. Petersburg) is already working on the project for the construction of fifth-generation nuclear submarines, the company’s CEO Vladimir Dorofeyev told TASS on Tuesday.

    "The work on the fifth generation of submarines is already underway. The project will be implemented after the Yasen nuclear submarine construction project is completed," he said.

    According to him, the new boats will be built within the timeframe approved by the military shipbuilding programme for the period until 2050.

    Dorofeyev said that the fifth-generation submarines will be based on the network centric system. The boats’ dimensions and speed, although remaining significant parameters, will cease to be of prime importance. "The reactor [of the subs] will be certainly based on new principles, but there will be no revolution, and it is not needed after all," he added.

    According to him, another important feature will be the new submarine’s coating and new technology of its production.

    In March, Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy Viktor Chirkov told reporters that the navy men had already commissioned the defence industry to develop fifth-generation nuclear submarines.


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  George1 on Tue Jun 16, 2015 3:30 pm

    Central Marine Design Bureau "Almaz" will create a new corvette for the Russian Navy on the basis of export Project 20382 "Tiger"


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  mack8 on Tue Jun 16, 2015 9:04 pm

    Well well well, the new BDK, called "Priboy"!
    http://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/930072.html



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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  wilhelm on Tue Jun 16, 2015 10:23 pm

    Nice, Mack.

    Not being a Russian speaker, is this simply a design concept, or is it likely this will form a concrete basis for a domestic vessel class to replace the Mistrals?

    It has an interesting hull shape below the waterline.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  George1 on Tue Jun 16, 2015 11:05 pm

    the helicopters that carry will be only those shown in photo? They seem too less


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:27 am

    There's a bit more info on the ship from http://forums.airbase.ru

    Project "Priboj" by Neva design bureau

    (initial estimates):

    - 14 000t displacement
    - max speed: 20 knots
    - range: 6000 nautical miles (can remain 60 days at sea)
    - airwing: 8 x helicopters  
    - 4 x landing craft pr. 11770 Serna or 2 x pr. 12061 Murena hovercraft
    - can transport up to 60 vehicles
    - Pantsir-M airdefence system

    The decision to build the ship will be taken after the completion of the project. The General Command of the Navy expects that for the needs of the Russian fleet will be built at least four such ships.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Book. on Wed Jun 17, 2015 3:54 am

    I like the LHD. Russ bear look ! pirat
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Book. on Wed Jun 17, 2015 8:26 am

    wilhelm wrote:Nice, Mack.

    Not being a Russian speaker, is this simply a design concept, or is it likely this will form a concrete basis for a domestic vessel class to replace the Mistrals?

    It has an interesting hull shape below the waterline.

    No differ the Moska Kiev class Surprised

    I think proven design it ok

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiev-class_aircraft_carrier
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moskva-class_helicopter_carrier

    Deputy Chairman of the Industry Committee of the State Duma Vladimir Gutenev noted that in the case of the need for a ship like "Mistral" for the Armed Forces, it would be "similar in size of the planes, but the nuclear power plant", which will equip the Russian industry "air defense and antisubmarine defense.

    РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150526/1066636532.html#ixzz3dIX3nOrD

    I read the note. atomic !  russia
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  medo on Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:43 pm

    It seems these Priboj class LHD is smaller than Mistral, so maybe they will also build larger one ( maybe with nuclear power plant ), which will be bigger than Mistral and take more helicopters on the deck.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  mack8 on Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:06 am

    Better model pictures of the main future VMF vessels:
    http://bastion-karpenko.ru/
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Dima on Thu Jun 18, 2015 6:33 pm

    mack8 wrote:Well well well, the new BDK, called "Priboy"!
    http://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/930072.html



    It looks beautiful unlike Mistrals or the typical LHDs around the globe. Hope its a solid plan and funds are allocated at the earliest, but who is the designer if its not NDB?

    The earlier link you posted has an update in the end which a quote from NDB spokeswomen denying any knowledge of the ship of that name.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Dima on Thu Jun 18, 2015 6:45 pm

    wilhelm wrote:Nice, Mack.

    Not being a Russian speaker, is this simply a design concept, or is it likely this will form a concrete basis for a domestic vessel class to replace the Mistrals?

    It has an interesting hull shape below the waterline.

    http://translate.yandex.com/
    Model amphibious assault ship "Surf" on the forum "Army-2015"

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       Very interesting shape of the underwater part. Not easy in the video with the first demonstration Shoigu was not shape it is the underwater part. What I was talking about ak_12 some time ago. However I have some predictions about what is a clean ship and the affinity with the "Leader" I was wrong too.

       As reported 16.06.2015, the Office of the press service and information of the defense Ministry, amphibious assault ship (UDC) project "Surf", which can be an alternative to the French helicopter carrier "Mistral", presented in the form of layout on the stand of the Main command of the Navy of Russia in the framework of the forum "Army-2015".

       Characteristics inherent in the project indicate that the ships of the project "Surf" will be able to successfully solve the problems for reception, carriage and disembarkation of a sea landing.

       In a unique project UDC, which develops Nevskoe design Bureau, will not be repeated technical practices and systems that already exist on the French ship. On the "Surf" everything will be domestic: airborne-forming means, and the air wing, and weapon systems.

       In the Main command of the Russian Navy expects that for the needs of the Russian fleet to be built at least four such ships.
       The decision to build the ship will be taken after the completion of his project.
       Presumably, UDC "Surf" will have a displacement of 14 tons with a draft of 5 m. the Ship can reach speeds up to 20 knots. The range of this sailing will be 6 thousand nautical miles, and the autonomy of the campaign is 60 days.

       On Board will accommodate up to 8 anti-submarine and amphibious-landing of helicopters Ka-27 and Ka-52K. The ship can carry up to 60 units. UDC will carry four landing craft of the project M or two project M.
       UDC will be able to provide its air defense with developing sea-based Armor-M".

       +

       new version:

       Nevskoe design Bureau has denied reports that it has designed an analogue of the French "Mistral".
       "This is bullshit. No analogues of "Mistral" we have not built and will not build," he quoted dp.ru the words of the General Director Sergey Vlasov Bureau representative.
       She noted that about "Surf" hears for the first time.

    George1 wrote:the helicopters that carry will be only those shown in photo? They seem too less
    There are 6 spots for helos same numbers like the Mistrals and two elevators but probably smaller ones compared to elevators at the stern we see on Jaun Carlos and Mistrals.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:26 am

    Dima wrote:

    George1 wrote:the helicopters that carry will be only those shown in photo? They seem too less
    There are 6 spots for helos same numbers like the Mistrals and two elevators but probably smaller ones compared to elevators at the stern we see on Jaun Carlos and Mistrals.

    More like San Giorgio (more design philosophy less displacement) or Osumi (less design philosophy more displacement).
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Giorgio-class_amphibious_transport_dock
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%8Csumi-class_tank_landing_ship

    The only disadvantage I can see is limited air wing. ¨Russian ¨ Mistral was to carry up to 16 helos ¨Priboy¨ air-wing consists of 8. What is definitely good is
    - gun (to support landing zone - maybe in the future with rocket propelled ammo like Vulcan)  or self-defense including ASMs and sea-pantsirs.
    - timing
    - who will build Smile

    The nuclear ¨Mistralsky¨ is to me more like small AC with landing ship ability (something like old Soviet rocket cruisers with air-wing)
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jun 19, 2015 9:44 pm

    We don't have a tread for naval robots/drones... dunno


    New Russian Underwater Spy Robot to Trick Submarines, Evading Detection

    The Russian robot submarine made an appearance at the international military forum, impressing with its new cutting edge technology.


    http://sputniknews.com/military/20150619/1023597255.html

    During the international military-technical forum ‘Army 2015’ the "Glider-T" underwater robotic vehicle was presented, the press service of the Joint instrument-making corporation reported.

    The new robot submarine with its torpedo-like appearance can navigate without the Glonass navigation system. "Glider-T" can operate in autonomous mode for up to 180 days and find its route without human intervention.

    The robot will be able to determine the type of ships passing by just by their sound emissions. It will also be able to simulate as a decoys; obstructing enemy sonars devices. Simply put, it will trick other submarines and smart torpedoes.

    Further still, developers of the “Glider-T” claim that the robot will be able to patrol and carry out water sampling to determine contamination levels. It will also be able to take photographs of various marine objects.

    The robotic vehicle will also be able to transmit information to computer equipment’s via GSM-modem, radio or satellite communications.

    The "Glider-T" was developed by the Moscow Design Bureau "Kompas," constructed out of heavy-duty and lightweight material and is sea water and oil resistant.

    It is also equipped with an innovative engine, allowing the vehicle to move underwater completely unnoticed to modern detection devices.


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Jun 20, 2015 10:27 am

    PapaDragon wrote:We don't have a tread for naval robots/drones... dunno

    New Russian Underwater Spy Robot to Trick Submarines, Evading Detection

    We should probably start one up....the 'Glider-T' looks interesting


    mack8 wrote:Well well well, the new BDK, called "Priboy"!

    It turns out the "Priboy" was in fact the "Lavina" project



    The project involves the basing of 16 helicopters and six landing craft project 11770 "Serna" or six air assault craft project 03160 "Raptor".

    According to the draft, the ship will be armed with a gun mounts AK-176M and AK-630M-2 "Duet" and naval air defense systems "Pantsir-M"

    Источник: http://bastion-karpenko.ru/lavina-udk/ ВТС «БАСТИОН» A.V.Karpenko

    Lavina will have a full load displacement of 24,000 tons, as opposed to 21,300 tons for the French-designed ship. It will also have a maximum speed of 22 knots, compared to 19 knots for the Mistrals, two of which were ordered by the Russian Navy four years ago.

    http://rt.com/news/268504-mistral-replacement-avalance-lavina/


    There's some speculation that it will be able to beach itself directly onto a beach to land marines and vehicles....sort of a combination between a helicopter carrier and a Tank Landing Ship.

    .....

    The "Priboy" is apparently a separate project more akin to the Ivan Rogov class (but with an enlarged helicopter wing)

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Jun 20, 2015 12:23 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:We don't have a tread for naval robots/drones... dunno

    New Russian Underwater Spy Robot to Trick Submarines, Evading Detection

    We should probably start one up....the 'Glider-T' looks interesting

    hopefully subs and new AC will receive them.


    Cyberspec wrote:

    There's some speculation that it will be able to beach itself directly onto a beach to land marines and vehicles....sort of a combination between a helicopter carrier and a Tank Landing Ship.


    no wonder because in Russian priboy = breaking-wave :-) BTW model has 6 helos on board so rather looks small besides Avalanche seem nto to have nuclear power plant.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jun 20, 2015 2:16 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:...................................
    Lavina will have a full load displacement of 24,000 tons, as opposed to 21,300 tons for the French-designed ship. It will also have a maximum speed of 22 knots, compared to 19 knots for the Mistrals, two of which were ordered by the Russian Navy four years ago.

    http://rt.com/news/268504-mistral-replacement-avalance-lavina/
    There's some speculation that it will be able to beach itself directly onto a beach to land marines and vehicles....sort of a combination between a helicopter carrier and a Tank Landing Ship.

    Don't see the need for this, it just complicates design as far as I can tell, but I am a navy noob myself Smile. Besides, they will have Ivan Gren class to do this "stunt work".

    Cyberspec wrote:
    The "Priboy" is apparently a separate project more akin to the Ivan Rogov class (but with an enlarged helicopter wing)

    So basically you just move the central part of Ivan Rogov to the front to clear the space for helicopter pads and, voilà you got yourself a fancy new landing ship.  Cool  

    Simple and elegant, I'm surprised it took them this long...
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  max steel on Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:22 pm

    Russian Navy to Start Building New Lider-Class Destroyer in 2019

    Russian Navy plans to begin construction of a new Lider-class destroyer in 2019, Navy Commander-in-Chief Adm. Viktor Chirkov told reporters.

    The Russian Navy unveiled Lider's designs at the Army-2015 international military technical forum earlier this week.
    According to the description, the vessel will have a displacement of approximately 17,500 tons, with a length of 200 meters and a breadth of 20 meters.

    The destroyer may be armed with up to 60 anti-ship cruise missiles, 128 anti-aircraft guided missiles, and 16 anti-ship guided missiles.The vessel may reach a speed of 30 knots and operate to up to 90 days without support.

    "We plan to start construction of a Lider destroyer in 2019. We are currently carrying out design work," Chirkov said.

    He added that the capabilities of the new destroyers would be comparable with the capabilities of a cruiser.

    Russia is currently undergoing a $325-billion rearmament program for a 70-percent increase in its military's modern weaponry by 2020.



    http://sputniknews.com/military/20150621/1023666085.html#ixzz3diq1nJDz
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Jun 21, 2015 10:05 pm

    max steel wrote:The destroyer may be armed with up to 60 anti-ship cruise missiles, 128 anti-aircraft guided missiles, and 16 anti-ship guided missiles.The vessel may reach a speed of 30 knots and operate to up to 90 days without support.

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20150621/1023666085.html#ixzz3diq1nJDz
    lol! lol! lol!

    Journos of course took auto translation - 16 in original is referring to ASW rocket torpedoes pirat
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  TheArmenian on Tue Jun 23, 2015 12:02 pm

    Raptors in Novorossisk.

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    Post  franco on Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:54 pm

    The DDGS Kerch will be retired apparently as it will be too expensive to repair or modernize after it's fire.


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    Post  franco on Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:56 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:Raptors in Novorossisk.


    By years end there are to be 8 of these plus the 2 BG-12 look-a-likes (10% smaller and copies of the Swedish boat) in the Black Sea Fleet.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Jun 24, 2015 2:31 pm

    Interview with head of Almaz - new missile hovercraft?
    http://ria.ru/interview/20150623/1082226356.html

    Do you plan the development of the project 1239 – missile hovercraft? Whether it will be upgraded or replaced by another project?
    — Will the continuation of this unique project, ultimately will decide whether the customer – Navy. We are ready though now to propose a draft of a new hovercraft vessels of skeg type: relevant design studies in the field of weapons and power plants we have already carried out proactively. Taking into account the operating experience of existing ships – "Forests" and "Sandstorm" – in the black sea fleet we have made some simplifications of the project, which will reduce technical risks and the cost of construction, increase the reliability of the vehicle.


    РИА Новости http://ria.ru/interview/20150623/1082226356.html#ixzz3dyxL4Q7b

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    there is overwhelming evidence that Russia is once again embarking on an aggressive naval shipbuilding program.

    They haven't even produced a brand new vessel the size of a Frigate... but their program is aggressive... how many carrier groups does the US have vs Russia? A carrier group screams aggression and clearly shows which "side" is the aggressor.

    I didn't bother reading any further in either article... I read those articles during the cold war... it seems they are still the only articles written in the west.  Sad

    ¨Ruskies¨are aggressively defending their homeland while West peacefully is carpet-bombing whoever can pillage make their democratic slaves lol!

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    Post  calripson on Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:47 pm

    franco wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:Raptors in Novorossisk.


    By years end there are to be 8 of these plus the 2 BG-12 look-a-likes (10% smaller and copies of the Swedish boat) in the Black Sea Fleet.

    What is up with that camo ? It stands out in open water like a sore thumb. Can't they come up with a better color and pattern ?

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