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    Post  Isos on Thu May 16, 2019 11:34 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    Hole wrote:In the Kosovo war the bases in Italy were effective. There were even studies done by western "think tanks" that showed how ineffective the carriers were compared to the land bases.

    It makes sense if you can get a land base close to the action but that is not always the case.  A carrier aircraft dropping bombs is just as effective as a land based one.  It is all about sortie generation rate.  A carrier operating 200km from the target area can turn around fighters faster than a land base 1000km away.  

    Re-supplying a carrier is much more difficult and costly. Helicopters can bring some foods but what can supply it with 1t bombs and 4-5m missiles.

    Landing with not used bomb is risky also. If the deck is dammaged bye bye your air force.

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    Post  marat on Thu May 16, 2019 5:26 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Re-supplying a carrier is much more difficult and costly. Helicopters can bring some foods but what can supply it with 1t bombs and 4-5m missiles.

    Landing with not used bomb is risky also. If the deck is dammaged bye bye your air force.


    Yes, but it is more complicated and costly to "move" your air base 1000 km away from its location.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Thu May 16, 2019 10:37 pm

    Isos wrote:

    Re-supplying a carrier is much more difficult and costly. Helicopters can bring some foods but what can supply it with 1t bombs and 4-5m missiles.

    Landing with not used bomb is risky also. If the deck is dammaged bye bye your air force.

    That is what transport helicopters with ramps are for.  The Caiman can deliver a spare M88 engine or ASMP-A internally, or sling 4t underneath.

    In the case of Libya, the MN leased C-2 Greyhounds to keep the CdG on station but the addition of Caiman in 2016 made that no longer necessary.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri May 17, 2019 12:05 am

    A CVN doesn't need to carry fuel for itself so its fuel tanks are for aviation fuel... it is also a reason why I argue with PD and others about the size of the carrier... a bigger carrier can carry a lot more aircraft but also a lot more fuel and munitions.

    The amount of fuel and munitions it carries will be limited by its capacity, but you can extend operational potential by carrying 60 planes instead of 90, and using the extra space for stores or helicopters to transfer munitions and fuel and equipment.

    All surface action groups will need support ships to provide fuel for their helicopters and ammo and food and fresh water and a thousand other things they need to provide normal operations... they will have quite a few dedicated large ships for the purpose.

    BTW having to support something is not a good reason to decide you don't need it or shouldn't have it...

    Having AWACS type aircraft operating from catapult systems means a transport aircraft could also land and take off from the ship if needed, but having a ship come along side and transfer by crane and pipe transfers of fuels is much faster and more efficient.

    Pallets of food and equipment could simply be placed on the deck of a carrier and moved inside via aircraft lifts using forklift type vehicles...

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