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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:57 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:Apparently the Zelenodorsk shipyard has received an order for an additional 3 BUYAN missile ships.
    That will increase the total for this class to 12.

    Add to that the 18 KARAKURTs building/on order and you have some nice firepower.

    Okay, I definitely did not see that one coming.

    So how does this relate to engine snafu?

    Is it possible that they were satisfied enough with Chinese engines to resume production of this type?
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:38 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:Apparently the Zelenodorsk shipyard has received an order for an additional 3 BUYAN missile ships.
    That will increase the total for this class to 12.

    Add to that the 18 KARAKURTs building/on order and you have some nice firepower.

    Okay, I definitely did not see that one coming.

    So how does this relate to engine snafu?

    Is it possible that they were satisfied enough with Chinese engines to resume production of this type?

    I commented on this ages ago said they will be building 15 buyan's in total.

    Also They will be building more than 18 Karakuts, from what data I have seen it's.

    18 In pella alone, Three in Sea and another five built by ZVD.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:26 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Also They will be building more than 18 Karakuts, from what data I have seen it's.

    18 In pella alone, Three in Sea and another five built by ZVD.


    Agreed. Came to same number a while back when looking at number of AK-176MA guns ordered so far:

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t1032p475-naval-weapon-systems-technology#190009

    Karakurts being built now are just first batch. This will definitely be very numerous ship class.


    SeigSoloyvov wrote:I commented on this ages ago said they will be building 15 buyan's in total.

    Good catch. What I can't figure out is how they dealt with engine problem. It was described as deal breaker back in the day. Whole class was put on hold and they have two ships still waiting for engines in Zelenodolsk and clogging up space.

    So what exactly happened? Did they find local replacement, decided to stick with Chinese engines for rest of the series or did several original German-made engines somehow got ''accidentally'' delivered to them?

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:48 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Also They will be building more than 18 Karakuts, from what data I have seen it's.

    18 In pella alone, Three in Sea and another five built by ZVD.


    Agreed. Came to same number a while back when looking at number of AK-176MA guns ordered so far:

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t1032p475-naval-weapon-systems-technology#190009

    Karakurts being built now are just first batch. This will definitely be very numerous ship class.


    SeigSoloyvov wrote:I commented on this ages ago said they will be building 15 buyan's in total.

    Good catch. What I can't figure out is how they dealt with engine problem. It was described as deal breaker back in the day. Whole class was put on hold and they have two ships still waiting for engines in Zelenodolsk and clogging up space.  

    So what exactly happened? Did they find local replacement, decided to stick with Chinese engines for rest of the series or did several original German-made engines somehow got ''accidentally'' delivered to them?  


    They always planned to build this many, that said chinese engines from what intel I have seen. The deal was never "off" just delayed,

    Not much of a catch tho, I merely exist in a place in the military where I can get access to such data of the Russians. That said I got a Dam and some ISIS guyts to "play" with soon peace for weeks!
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:55 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:.........

    Not much of a catch tho, I merely exist in a place in the military where I can get access to such data of the Russians. That said I got a Dam and some ISIS guyts to "play" with soon peace for weeks!

    Happy hunting thumbsup
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    Post  TheArmenian on Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:05 pm

    Flurry of naval shipbuilding activity in Russia these days:

    Ivan Papanin armed icebreaker (pr. 23550)has been laid down yesterday.
    Vladimir Emelyanov minesweeper (pr. 12700) has just been laid down today.
    Grad missile ship (pr. 21631 Buyan-M) will be laid down on the 24th.

    Also upcoming this spring/summer:

    Gremyashy corvette (pr. 20385) will be launched
    Sovershenny corvette (pr. 20380) will be commissioned
    Admiral Makarov frigate(pr. 11536) will be commissioned
    Admiral Gorshkov frigate will be commisioned
    Ivan Gren landing ship will be commissioned
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    Post  Luq man on Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:54 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:Also upcoming this spring/summer

    Gremyashy corvette (pr. 20385) will be launched
    Sovershenny corvette (pr. 20380) will be commissioned
    Admiral Makarov frigate(pr. 11536) will be commissioned
    Admiral Gorshkov frigate will be commisioned
    Ivan Gren landing ship will be commissioned

    Also, 2 improved kilos for pacific fleet will be laid down this year.
    Vyshniy Volochek [BUYAN-M] will be commisioned for caspian or black sea fleet this year.
    Maybe first project 22160 Vasily Bykov also in 2017.

    Btw does anyone know if the last two improved kilos for bsf will stay in the baltic or will be transferred later.
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    Post  TheArmenian on Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:05 pm

    A Whole Navy is Being Built



    To be exact, 52 ships and submarines are under various stages of construction .
    In my list below, I am not including vessels that are:
    - under 500T displacement. I am also not including tankers, resupply ships, spy ship etc.
    - going to be laid down later on this year (such as the 7th Yasen, etc.)
    - under sea trial (Adm. Gorshkov, Adm. Makarov, Ivan Gren, Sovershenny etc.)
    - reserve vessels that are being modernized to be brought back to service (Adm. Nakhimov etc.)
    - intended for the coast guard

    Here is the breakdown of what is under construction:

    5 Project 995 Borei class strategic submarines (all building)
    5 Project 885 Yasen class attack submarines (1 launched, 4 building)
    1 Project 09852 Belgorod special submarine(building)
    1 Project 09851 Khabarovsk special submarine (building)
    2 Project 667 Lada class submarines (building)
    3 Project 22350 Admiral Gorshkov class frigates (1 launched, 2 building)
    3 Project 11536 class Admiral Grigorovich class frigates (1 launched, 2 building)
    1 Project 20386 Drezki class corvette (building)
    2 Project 20385 Gremyashy class corvettes (building)
    5 Project 20380 Steregushy class corvettes (building)
    5 Project 22160 Vasily Bykov class patrol ships (building)
    5 Project 21631 Buyan-M class missile ships (1 launched, 4 building)
    7 Project 22800 Karakurt class missile ships (building)
    2 Project 12421 Tarantul class missile ships (building)
    1 Project 11711 class landing ship (buiding)
    1 Project 23550 Ivan Papanin class artic patrol ship (building)
    3 Project 12700 Alexandrit class Minesweepers (building)
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    52 in total.

    Furthermore, that number is going to increase by a few more units that are going to be laid down later this year (2 Project 636 Kilo class, the second Papanin, more Karakurts, etc.).
    By the beginning of 2018 the number of ships under various stages of construction will be in excess of 60.
    None of the above ships will enter service this year. They will be commissioned starting next year onwards.  Starting with 2019, we should expect a commissioning rate of minimum 10 per year for the foreseeable future.
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    Post  TheArmenian on Tue May 16, 2017 3:13 pm

    The recon. (spy) ship IVAN KHURS has been launched today at your favourite shipyard (Severnaya Werf)

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/93530/

    https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20170516/1494383689.html

    This is the second ship of the project 18280.

    It will enter service before end 2017 together with the Admiral Gorshkov frigate and the supply ship Elbrus, all built at the same shipyard.

    The project 20385 Gremyashy corvettes should be launched during this summer too.

    I will let you guess what ships will be laid down at Severnaya later on this year.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue May 16, 2017 7:29 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:..............
    This is the second ship of the project 18280.
    It will enter service before end 2017 together with the Admiral Gorshkov frigate and the supply ship Elbrus, all built at the same shipyard.
    The project 20385 Gremyashy corvettes should be launched during this summer too.

    I will let you guess what ships will be laid down at Severnaya later on this year.

    OK, you know I suck at naval topics and I am curious as hell. So which on will be laid down next??? Embarassed Shocked
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    Post  TheArmenian on Tue May 16, 2017 8:23 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:..............
    This is the second ship of the project 18280.
    It will enter service before end 2017 together with the Admiral Gorshkov frigate and the supply ship Elbrus, all built at the same shipyard.
    The project 20385 Gremyashy corvettes should be launched during this summer too.

    I will let you guess what ships will be laid down at Severnaya later on this year.

    OK, you know I suck at naval topics and I am curious as hell. So which on will be laid down next??? Embarassed Shocked

    Your guess is as good (or bad) as mine.

    My guess:
    One more Project 18280 spy ship will be laid down (they are planning to have 4 of these ships) plus one Project 20386 (Derzky) class frigate.
    When the third Gorshkov class is launched towards the end of the year, they will lay down the first super-Gorshkov. The Navy will suffice itself with 4 Gorshkovs only. Super-Gorshkov is what they are looking forward to.

    But I could be wrong dunno
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    Post  TheArmenian on Tue May 23, 2017 4:31 pm

    Vympel shipyard in Rybinsk (Yaroslavl region) is being modernized.
    This shipyard produces a number of types of civilian and military ships (including the MANGUST class craft).

    Currently it is completing the construction of the last two TARANTUL (Molniya) class missile corvettes fro the Russian Navy. These two are expected to enter service next year.

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/93643/
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    Post  eehnie on Tue May 30, 2017 1:22 am

    Since the War in Donbass, emerged for Russia a problem with sanctions to foreign contries. It has been a problem of limited impact for Russia, because the country always has been working its defense industry, leaving little room to dependence of foreign imports.

    In the refered to the Russian Navy, there is some impact on components (like engines,...), that Russia is working to eliminate, but only a few complete ships are of foreign origin, and all are auxiliary ships, not combat ships. Obviously the position of these ships of foreign origin is under question. Likely these ships will be out of the Russian Navy in the short term, but the question is what to do with them? Also we can give an opinion here, using one of the tools of this forum, the polls.

    It is necessary to note what is considered a foreign ship. Ships of Sovietic/Russian design are not considered foreign ships, despite to be built sometimes outside of Russia or even out of the Soviet Union, in countries that were in good terms with Russia and the Soviet Union at the time.

    In the other side, foreign designs are considered foreign ships, because it would be more problem for repairs and to have spare parts, even in the case of partial production in Russia or the Soviet Union.

    Also it is necessary to note that shipborne boats and midget submarines are not considered independent ships, are considered components of a bigger unit. If they are of foreign origin, they are treated as foreign components.

    Taking it into account, the list of foreign ships in the Russian Navy is low today. 41 of the 1025 ships of the Russian Navy (including the 18 combat and auxiliary ships captured to Ukraine and the 13 combat ships of the Russian Coast Guard). It means only a 4.00% of the total fleet of the Russian Navy.

    Some reference with pictures of the foreign ships:


    Dry-cargo ships purchased for the operation in Syria: 1985 Dvinitsa-50 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/54458/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 202138 March 31, 2017

    Dry-cargo ships purchased for the operation in Syria: 1985 Vologda-50 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/54485/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 207442 April 12, 2017

    Dry-cargo ships purchased for the operation in Syria: 1996 Kyzyl-60 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/55363/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 201229 March 31, 2017

    Dry-cargo ships purchased for the operation in Syria: 1987 Kazan-60 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/16128/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 201731 March 31, 2017



    Type Dora: 1941 Istra http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/6223/ (Captured to Germany in WWII)
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 226228 October 12, 2017



    Type PPEK-30: 19?? PK-16030 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/10295/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 58005 March 25, 2013

    Type PPEK-30: 1959 PK-103130 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/40785/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 197664 January 20, 2017



    Type Dubna: 1974 Dubna http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/68854/ http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:930618/mmsi:-7347471/imo:7347471/vessel:DUBNA
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 Showphoto June 20, 2015

    Type Dubna: 1975 Irkut http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/26060/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 86731 March 12, 2014

    Type Dubna: 1979 Pechenga http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/6375/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 158692 March 22, 2016



    Type Paltus: 1980 PK-1150 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/45784/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 111669 November 27, 2014



    Project REF-675: 1982 Kama http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/12009/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 163692 May 13, 2016 (black ship in the center)

    Project REF-675: 1982 Vyazma http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/42747/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 145429 October 23, 2015



    Project D-9030: 1976 PK-119025 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/4926/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 143756 September 14, 2015



    Project D-9021: 198? PK-33016 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/34964/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 253996 June 10, 2018 (floating crane after the ship)



    Project SK620: 1978 Belomorets http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/6308/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 208655 June 1, 2017

    Project SK620: 1980 PSK-405 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/10392/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 192681 December 22, 2016

    Project SK620: 19?? PSK-2017 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/34799/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 64880 November 13, 2011

    Project SK620: 19?? PSK-1304 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/44610/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 217426 July 30, 2017

    Project SK620: 1983 EK-1412 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/42817/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 226982 July 27, 2017

    Project SK620: 1985 PSK-1562 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/56311/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 214908 July 12, 2017

    Project SK620: 19?? PSK-1556 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/60223/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 161379 April 23, 2016

    Project SK620: 19?? PSK-302 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/73679/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 217427 July 30, 2017



    Project REF-100: 1985 GS-525 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/41469/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 199131 February 17, 2017

    Project REF-100: 1985 GS-526 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/46939/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 122492 April 4, 2015



    Project N3291: 1988 RB-346 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/1398/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 223934 October 4, 2017

    Project N3291: 1988 RB-347 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/2053/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 247801 August 15, 2009

    Project N3291: 1988 RB-348 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/1631/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 207652 May 27, 2017



    Project R-5757: 1989 Nikolay Chiker http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/29166/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 145724 September 18,2015

    Project R-5757: 1989 Fotiy Krylov http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/39062/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 160108 March 17, 2016



    Project UK-3: 1982  UK-115 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/10829/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 135900 July 26,2015

    Project UK-3: 19??  UK-162 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/10827/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 118976 March 5, 2015

    Project UK-3: 1983  UK-712 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/6464/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 12765 June 6, 2010 (ship 229)

    Project UK-3: 1990  UK-164 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/38120/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 82644 October 18, 2013 (ship 164)

    Project UK-3: 19??  UK-288 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/38121/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 82644 October 18, 2013 (ship 288)



    Project V92: 1983 Evgenij Gorigledzhan http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/59302/ (Modified in 2016 to a Project 02670 ship)
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 F_c2RlbGFub3VuYXMucnUvaS9hL3cvMS9mX2FXMW5MV1p2ZEd0cExubGhibVJsZUM1eWRTOW5aWFF2TmpVMk5qRXZNalk1TmpnME16TXpMak0wTHpCZk1UWTVNR1ptWHpJeFlUaGlZekptWDI5eWFXY3VhbkJuUDE5ZmFXUTlOelEwTXprPS5qcGVnP19faWQ9NzU1MTQ= 2016 or 2017

    Project V92: 1990 Kalar http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/24461/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 158770 March 14, 2016



    Project D-9040 V-02: 1989 PK-128035 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/47028/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 164853 May 10, 2016



    Project V-820: 19?? RB-33 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/26210/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 217743 June 22, 2017



    Type IC16MII: 2011 P-834 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/42778/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 206513 May 15, 2017

    Type IC16MII: 2011 P-835 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/42785/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update - Page 3 184722 October 19, 2016



    With the problems with foreign material and spare parts, it seems logical that Russia want not to keep these ships in the Armed Forces. An exit would be logical, and taking into account the difference on age and state of the ships, different solutions for them are likely.

    In the case of the newest ships and the ships in better condition, an option would be to transfer them to non-military agencies of the gouvernment, that can be related with security issues, but without being part of the Russian Armed Forces. Surely, without being the alone option, the most obvious case would be the Russian Coast Guard, that has itself hundreds of ships of different size and role.

    Also there are options that mean to keep not some ships. it would be possible a sale of some ship to some buyer, local or foreign, or even a transfer as aid to some foreign ally. In the case of the oldest ships and the ships in worst condition, a likely option would be decommission and scrapping process.

    What would you do? (Interesting to check the photographies in the link to every ship).


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    Post  eehnie on Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:21 pm

    The sactions to Russia really had not a big impact. This topic covers the refered to the sea material, but also has been very low in other cases. The most significative case maybe the cancellation of the contract for the 2 Mistral Amphibious ships. Even this case more than a problem, is an opportunity for Russia to build the own capability of developing and constructing of the necessary ships in every segment.

    In the current situation, I expect Russia rejects the foreign material present in their own Armed Forces. Doing it Russia would prove that their defense level and standards depend not of foreign material, and would avoid external critizism and propaganda about the damage of the foreign sanctions and about the dependence of their defense industry of foreign supplies.
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    Post  Isos on Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:03 pm

    Those are support ships. They are build and used. It's not important from where they come if they do the job. I don't know who build them but it's probably former USSR countries. I don't think they will sell lot of them to US or NATO so they should be nice to Russian navy because if they don't they will end up like Ukrainians, replaced by local russian production and they will sell 0 more ships.

    They are not hard to build but russia is focusing on armed ships. They are just pieces of metal with 0 technology. They needed some of them fast for Syria but if they want to replace them they can easily make them.

    Moreover, once you have them you won't depend on the country who sold it to you like it is the case with armed ships which need missiles to be replace or maintenance or electronic upgrade.
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    Post  eehnie on Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:04 pm

    In this case no-one of the ships mentioned was produced in Russia or the Soviet Union. It were produced in Finland, Sweden, Germany, Austria, Poland Turkey and China.

    To be not Russian designs can create some problems. As example, it makes less likely that Russian spare parts can be compatible, and to produce them specifically for these ships would be more expensive, even too expensive in some case.

    As commented in the poll, there is also a chance to keep the cited ships demilitarized, by transference to other gouvernmental agencies. It would mean no economic impact for the Russian treasury. It makes less likely that Russia keeps them in their Armed Forces after 2025. But until now no-one has been taking this option in the poll for no-one of the groups cited (in case of not options selected the system allows not to submit a vote).

    I expect Russia continues using foreign material for civil purposes, I agree with you on this, but at this point is not likely that Russia keeps foreign material in the Russian Armed Forces, despite to be auxiliary material, because there countries ready to use it to discredit the Russian Armed Forces. Russia only will be able to make evident (without discussion) their lack of dependence of foreign material just retiring it.
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    Post  Isos on Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:48 pm

    Even US navy uses foreign ships. Sometimes it's better to buy instead of making. If they want to make by themselves they will need to invest money for design and to build and test ... while they can buy Something already proven. I don't think spare parts are a problem for civilian ships. Navy can buy them with a false company in a banana republic if they are under sanctions ... There are lot of companies that are Under African flags to pay less taxes in their own countries, it won't be difficult to do so.

    What they should do however is to order them with a plateform to operate the new Tor variant tested on the Grigorovitch. It would give them same air def capabilities as Udaloy destroyer and could protect themselves or a add another line of def to a battlegroup (on a tanker for exemple).
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    Post  eehnie on Fri Jun 02, 2017 2:41 am


    The trend in Russia in the last years is to produce, to replace foreign material by own designs. We can see it clearly in the case of the components. In the case of heavy material there is a lack of orders, and even the cancellation of some order (like in the case of the Mistral ships).

    The current foreign ships in the Russian Armed forces, are of the Sovietic period except the last, and are not difficult to replace for Russia, like we can see in the previous list. They are very generic ships in the refered to their role. Even, some of them likely do not need replacement.

    With the spare parts it is possible that these ships give some problem. As example, if it is necessary a replacement of the engine, it is possible that a Russian alternative do not meet the dimmensional requirements of the place where it must go, or can not be connected to other parts because differences of design. It is likely that some spare parts for these ships that are not common in Russia must be done (designed and fabricated) for the reparation. Sometimes may be easy, but other times it can become expensive, even too expensive (lack of important spare parts can send some ship to scrapping).
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    Post  eehnie on Mon Jun 05, 2017 2:34 am

    Finally, it seems that the ships of the Project 22350 are entering in the size of the current Destroyers of the Russian Navy fleet, despite to be called Frigate, and even there is a plan for a bigger variant. It seems to be the right ship to replace the current Destroyers, wich means the Project 21956 definitely ruled out.

    The following list includes all the combat ships under production, no matter the timeline. Some of the ships maybe for export, but the buyer is not clear still. The list includes not reparations. The list includes not auxiliary ships for the Russian Navy, and between them, includes not low armed patrol ships.

    Update of the ships under construction by role:

    36 - Warships:
    1 - Project 11540 Frigate (2 more not-completed)
    4 - Project 11356 Frigate
    1 - Project 11660/11661 Frigate (1 more not-completed)
    8 - Project 20380/20385 Frigate/Corvette
    4 - Project 21631 Corvette (1 more not completed)
    6 - Project 22350 Destroyer/Frigate
    6 - Project 22160 Frigate
    6 - Project 22800 Corvette
    0 - Project 23560 Cruiser/Destroyer
    0 - Project 23000E Aircraft Carrier

    15 - Submarines:
    1 - Project 949/09852 Nuclear Submarine (5 more not-completed)
    2 - Project 677 Conventional Submarine
    5 - Project 955 Nuclear Submarine
    6 - Project 885/08851 Nuclear Submarine
    1 - Project 09851 Nuclear Submarine

    17 - Minesweepers:
    3 - Project 1265 (2 more not-completed)
    6 - Project 10750
    1 - Project 12255 (1 more not-completed)
    7 - Project 12700

    10 - Amphibious:
    1 - Project 11770/11771 (Azov shipyard, Mariupol)
    6 - Project 21820
    1 - Project 02510
    2 - Project 11711
    0 - Project ????? Lavina
    0 - Project ????? Priboi

    7 - Missile Boats:
    6 - Project 12411/12417/12418/1241RE Missile Boat
    1 - Project 12300 Missile Boat

    85 - Ships under construction. Some maybe to export.

    As commented other times, Russia is becoming ready to afford the high number of decommissions that should come after 2024 and more intensely after 2030. Until then the rythm of commissions and decommissions is being low, as expected, as planned.

    I do not expect cancellations. It means loses. Even the ships with longer timeline under construction should be completed for the Russian Navy or to export, in order to avoid loses.

    I expect a low number of orders in the State Armament Program 2018-2025. The minimum number of orders of new ships necessary to reach a capability of building every type of combat ship by the end of 2025, would be 1 Project 23000E Aircraft Carrier and 1 Project 23460 Cruiser/Destroyer. In my opinion this is an important goal for Russia. Also I expect some order of big amphibious ships.


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    Post  George1 on Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:46 am

    Nice job! Agree almost with all except Project 22160 which is a patrol vessel

    We have also the bigger patrol vessel for arctic, Project 23550 (1 under construction)
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    Post  eehnie on Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:53 am

    George1 wrote:Nice job! Agree almost with all except Project 22160 which is a patrol vessel

    We have also the bigger patrol vessel for arctic, Project 23550 (1 under construction)

    I saw some news about the Project 22160 armed with Kalibr missiles. It would make a difference for this ship. It will be necessary to confirm.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:06 am

    eehnie wrote:
    George1 wrote:Nice job! Agree almost with all except Project 22160 which is a patrol vessel

    We have also the bigger patrol vessel for arctic, Project 23550 (1 under construction)

    I saw some news about the Project 22160 armed with Kalibr missiles. It would make a difference for this ship. It will be necessary to confirm.


    Confirmed long ago. It's a container system, both options are available. Kalibr back, Uran front:

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    Post  TheArmenian on Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:56 am

    2nd LADA class (project 677) submarine KRONSHTADT will be launched in 2018

    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4324435

    Also, the second IVAN PAPANIN (Project 23550) class military icebreaker will be laid down in 2018. Name is NIKOLAI ZUBOV
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    Post  eehnie on Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:06 am

    Finnishing the process of reduction of the combat fleet of the Russian Navy, the logical situation for the following years would be a situation of stability in the fleet.

    Taking into account that the ships of the 1980s can have still some renovation, update and upgrade, that can make them useful until the 2030s, we can expect a low amount of old ships to retire before 2024-2025. The logical situation for the following years would be a situation with low number of decommissions and low number of commissions, and a process of replacement ship by ship (which mean not to be identical or totally equivalent ships). As example, in 2016, it were 4 decommissions (1 by sale) and 5 commissions, and in the first half of 2017, it has not been decommissions and commissions in the combat fleet of the Russian Navy.




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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jul 02, 2017 11:13 pm


    George1 wrote:Project 12130E Gunboat

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    Would this be replacement for Granachok patrol boat?

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