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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:02 pm

    eehnie wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    The points 1 and 2 explain this new. And this is only the first case.
    \

    mate, more facts/sources less quotes please.


    Just because you hate to see predicted things becoming real.


    Still waiting on anything you ranted about to become real lol1
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    Post  Isos on Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:48 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:

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    pics below too
    https://sudostroenie.info/novosti/26260.html

    Project 11777 ?


    From your link: a third carrier design. Seems to be a supercarrier. Seems to be btw kuznetsov and nimitz classes. 70kt class ?

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    Post  LMFS on Fri Mar 29, 2019 11:50 pm

    Looks a bit like Ulyanovsk...
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    Post  Isos on Sat Mar 30, 2019 12:10 am

    LMFS wrote:Looks a bit like Ulyanovsk...

    There is a text with the picture. Maybe someone can translate ?
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Mar 30, 2019 12:30 am

    PapaDragon wrote:Still waiting on anything you ranted about to become real lol1

    “PATIENCE YOU MUST HAVE my young padawan"
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Mar 30, 2019 12:32 am

    Isos wrote:
    LMFS wrote:Looks a bit like Ulyanovsk...

    There is a text with the picture. Maybe someone can translate ?


    1) On the blower on this day was the mock aircraft carrying cruiser.

    2) In a wind tunnel, several problems are solved. First, how the ship will behave under the wind of various directions and strength. Secondly, how the wind will affect the safety of aircraft to eliminate accidents.

    3) For greater visibility of the air flow during the test, smoke is used.




    @LMFS - Shtorm/Ulyanovsk are not that far away in design

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    Post  eehnie on Sat Mar 30, 2019 12:42 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:Still waiting on anything you ranted about to become real lol1

    “PATIENCE YOU MUST HAVE my young padawan"

    Not exahustive list:

    - The rupture of the first contract of the Be-200.
    - The help to Syria with L-39.
    - The absence of war with the Kurds in Syria.
    - The replacement of Msta-B in active service by Msta-S in the reserve in Russia.
    - The absence of the Rysachok aircraft in the Russian Armed Forces.
    - The absence of the SR-10 aircraft in the Russian Armed Forces.
    - The absence of the MiG-AT aircraft in the Russian Armed Forces.
    - The failure in the tests of the Diamond DA-42 aircraft, that leads to absence of procurement to the Russian Armed Forces.
    - The begin of the replacement of unarmoured tractor elements by armoured tractor elements in a good number of land based Surface-Surface, Surface-Air systems.
    - The presence of the Project 23560 in the State Armament Program 2018-2027.
    - The presence of the future Russian Aircraft Carrier in the State Armament Program 2018-2027.
    - The presence of the MiG-41 in the State Armament Program 2018-2027.
    - The 152mm weapon for combined direct/indirect fire in the mold of the current 120mm weapon of the 2S34, 2S9...
    - The increasing of the future use of helicopters for Airborne Troops.

    and a good number more. Arrow Arrow

    I have not problems with it. The record of Papadragon instead pwnd pwnd pwnd

    And your own record pwnd pwnd pwnd
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:03 am

    tass news article stating the following


    KUBINKA, March 20. /TASS/. The United Shipbuilding Corporation will provide 16 new combat ships for the Russian Navy this year, USC President Alexei Rakhmanov told a business conference at the theme park Patriot near Moscow on Wednesday.

    "We are going to deliver to the Navy another 16 top-notch vessels," Rakhmanov said.

    Earlier, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said that the Navy this year was to get seven new combat ships, including four submarines and seven repaired ones.
    more:
    http://tass.com/defense/1049534

    any ideas of whats getting delivered this year including the repaired ones????
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    Post  Isos on Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:02 pm

    http://tass.com/defense/1052802/amp?__twitter_impression=true

    Two frigates, two amphibious ships to be laid down April 23

    MOSCOW, April 9. /TASS/. Two frigates of project 22350 and two amphibious assault ships of project 11711 for the Russian Navy will be laid down at shipyards in St. Petersburg and Kaliningrad on April 23, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said on Tuesday.

    "On April 23, several blue water ships will be laid - two frigates of project 22350 at the Svernaya Verf (Northern Shipyard) in St. Petersburg and two amphibious assault ships of project 11711 at the Yantar shipyard in Kaliningrad," Shoigu said at a distance conference on Tuesday.

    "Alongside this the Northern Shipyard will couple two major hull units of the project 20386 corvette. It will be named after the military brig The Merkuriy, whose heroic feat will turn 190 in May," Shoigu said.

    The frigates, amphibious assault ships and the frigate are to be provided for the Navy by 2025.

    The Russian Navy currently has only one frigate of project 22350 - The Admiral Gorshkov, which entered service in July 2018. It is expected that the Russian military in December 2019 will receive a second ship of this type - The Admiral Kasatonov. The Northern Shipyard is building two more frigates of project 22350.

    In June 2018, one amphibious assault ship of project 11711, The Ivan Gren, went operational. The Yantar shipyard is building another same type ship, The Pyotr Morgunov. The shipyard’s CEO Eduard Yefimov said at a certain point that the series of these ships would not be continued, but at the end of December 2018 the president of the United Shipbuilding Corporation, Alexei Rakhmanov, said that the Russian Navy would get another two or three ships of the same type, built according to an upgraded project.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:51 pm

    Well atleast they are finally making more frigates hopefully it doesn't take them over six years to get these ships out.
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:01 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Well atleast they are finally making more frigates hopefully it doesn't take them over six years to get these ships out.
    Agreed, and i suspect this is a confirmation that their indigenous MGTs have now passed muster and the RuN is prepared to order new hulls as a consequence.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:45 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Well atleast they are finally making more frigates hopefully it doesn't take them over six years to get these ships out.
    Agreed, and i suspect this is a confirmation that their indigenous MGTs have now passed muster and the RuN is prepared to order new hulls as a consequence.
    That is probably also the reason why they decided to sell to India the other frigates. It was not convenient to spend. a lot of money and time to move to Russia the production of the engine used in the 11356 frigates (older generation naval gas turbines), and it was probably unpractical and too expensive to try to adapt the hulls already built to a different powerplant.
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    Post  verkhoturye51 on Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:16 am

    Via Twitter:

    President Putin to visit Severnaya Verf shipyard at SPb today:
    -2x22350 frigate keel-laying ceremony
    -mating of 20386 corvette hull parts.

    Edit:

    Putin to visit Sevmash for Belgorod sub (Poseidon UUV carrier) launch ceremony today as well. Some pain-soothing balm for navyphiles' scars.
    - Launch of Belgorod special purpose submarine at Sevmash

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    BTW

    Also today
    - 2x11711 large landing ships keel-laying at Yantar (Kaliningrad)

    The day after tommorow:
    - 22800 second ship Sovetsk to be launched at Pella
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    Post  marat on Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:15 am

    Finally some good news Smile
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    Post  hoom on Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:07 pm

    Is that Belgorod? Suspect
    I kinda assumed it was going to lose the missile hatches with the upgrade, wonder if it still has missile tubes too?
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    Post  verkhoturye51 on Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:12 pm

    It's not modernized Belgorod I think. Even silhuette of the ceremony features normal Antey sub only.

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    At the same time the Chinese had 70th anniversary of PLAN ceremony. Squadron of 18 foreign ships from 13 countries was led by Gorshkov.

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    Edit:

    The boss has spoken: https://twitter.com/i/status/1120719123338731520

    Key words:

    - Russian presence in world oceans
    - and distant sea zone
    - fast pace of ship construction in last years will be maintained
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:01 am

    Those 24 launch tubes for Granit should have three missile sleeves in each tube for Calibr or Onyx...
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:24 am

    verkhoturye51 wrote:...
    - fast pace of ship construction in last years will be maintained


    Hopefully not, so far it's been a disaster

    It would be advisable to speed it up
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:39 pm

    It's only Temporary tho.
    And even if Russia has one carrier battle group now. Good luck facing 10+ from the US. Russia and China combined wont match Us naval power in the high seas till the 2040s and beyond. No point losing sleep over it.

    Kinzhal and Zircon render US carriers too vulnerable to operate near Russian territory or vessels... even just a single Yasen class SSGN armed with 32 Zircon would clean up a US Navy force with as many carriers as you like to include... they could have all their fixed wing carriers and their amphibious assault carriers with all their escorts in the middle of the Pacific facing one Yasen sub, and that sub will likely sink at least 32 US ships with those 32 Zircons and probably as many ships using torpedoes... with all that launching the US forces would probably locate the Russian sub and attack and most likely sink her but as I said they have no practical effective way of stopping any hypersonic missiles... in fact the talk of Onyx missiles increased to mach 5 and flight range to 800km with the new fuel and technology developed for the Zircon would also make those pretty much unstoppable for the US Navy, so each one of those carried will be a devastating threat to any US carrier or surface ship of any kind.

    We are talking about a world where one navy dominates because of money spent and experience and capabilities like no other force... but with hypersonic missiles wiping out the IADS they used to protect themselves... all of a sudden they can't operate safely even near new Russian corvettes with UKSK launchers each tube of which could carry Onyx or soon Zircon and sink any of their ships with impunity.

    Their 150 million dollar 5th gen stealth STOVL fighters make no difference at all, and their super expensive ABM missiles make no difference either...

    Carriers don't make them safe.... they don't make them less safe, but they do concentrate a lot of expensive material and american human lives in one place for a very high speed missile to make a meal of very easily.

    They might even get a faulty Zircon and survive this time, but it is much cheaper for Russia to make Kinzhal, Zircon, upgraded Onyx, Iskander, and Kh-32, and soon Grom-1 missiles than it will be for the US to make new ships... or china for that matter.
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    Post  hoom on Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:12 am

    Updated diagram of ships under construction
    http://charly015.blogspot.com/2019/04/actualizando-el-grafico-de-los-buques-y.html
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    Purple = launched but not complete/in service yet.
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    Post  Vann7 on Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:00 am

    Take a look at South Front  "Review" of Russia surface navy..
    their channel have turned into full dooom and gloom propaganda ,throwing
    a very dark picture for Russia navy ,even with all the advances they have done..

    The core of his IDIOTIC logic ,seems to be,that if Russia don't match American
    Aircraft carrier and Destroyers numbers.. that they are out of hope to project power
    outside Russia borders.. lol1  

    if Russia wanted to project power lets say in the atlantic.. they can very
    get for free a military naval base in Cuba and Venenzuela and from there their their Airforce like
    Migs-31 and long range bombers ,armed with Hypersonic missiles ,they can terrorize
    any NATO battle field group , since they have no capabilities to intercept hypersonic missiles
    ,even they say that.. and just one Kinzhal hypersonic missile is enough to erase from the map
    an 1-3 Aircraft carrier group with a hundreds of warships ,including destroyers , near the strike
    zone..



    Also Russia can do a preventive surprise strike too ,near US eastern Coast.. in time of "peace" , before the war start.. if they feel the war can't be avoided.. So a decapitation strike with a hypersonic missile
    on washington DC.. is completely possible in technical terms ..if Russia wanted to have that option on the table.. And positioning in place many Bombers with Hypersonic missiles.. including submarines positioning , if for example the location of most US Ohio subs is known ..can make the difference between a fast Victory of Russia ,before the enemy organize for a retaliation.

    Is not my coincidence that Rand Corporation ,the major experts that Pentagon request help to
    simulate wars vs RUssia and CHINA... in all their simulation ,they show US losing that war..
    Long RAnge tactical strike Airfoce is where Russia needs to invest more.. Those TU-160s and bombers and backfires ,and mig 31 needs all to be modernized and be able to fire hypersonic missiles.and this will provide Russia with a very serious deterrence against NATO .. combine this
    with Russia electromagnetic weapons to destroy NATO satellites in space and it will be a very
    convincing deterrence to NOT start a major war against Russia ,not anywhere in the short ,medium or long future.. Contrary to South Front Doom and Gloom analizing ,Russia today have the capabilities to Win in a fight vs NATO in any part of the world.. if use their airforce wisely and the correct weapons..

    Russia needs to open a base in Cuba with at least 100 planes and a dozen of them armed with
    hypersonic missiles.. and do routine , patrols along the US eastern Coast.. that will scare the shit
    of them.. knowing Russia can strike them with a nuke in 2-3 minutes hit their decision centers and they can't stop it . and only thing can do is retaliate.. this will force US navy to mobilize more closer to US borders to follow very closely any Russian plane ..near their borders.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:13 am

    A lot of the points they make about Russia's issues are in fact accurate, In the end, if they need to match the US navy ship for ship is a personal view nothing more.

    That said I thought they were already building the Lider! Enhie lied to me!.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:48 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:A lot of the points they make about Russia's issues are in fact accurate, In the end, if they need to match the US navy ship for ship is a personal view nothing more.

    That said I thought they were already building the Lider! Enhie lied to me!.

    Lider is still in the plan, if Russia isn't gonna make carriers, then the other plan is to make Cruisers for Carrier Denial.
    The question isn't "if" it's "when".
    News of the Borei-K show that Lider might not be constructed anytime soon.
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    Post  Isos on Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:56 pm

    "When" depends also on tge size of the Lider. Something similar in size to Kirivs isn't going to happen any day soon.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:24 am

    The Kirovs were the size they were so they could carry the armament they carried.

    Replacement vessels can be much smaller because the new armament they carry is much more compact, as is all the command and communications electronics and equipment...

    Well right now they have Corvettes better armed than Cold war destroyers like the Sovs and the Udaloys, but of course being smaller vessels they wont have the endurance.

    Another aspect that so many people ignore... a Russian CVN is a support ship... it is there to provide AWACS and CAP to the surface vessels in the group.

    Different mixes of surface vessels will suggest different roles... a surface group with Kuznetsov and two Mistral class helicopter carriers, an upgraded Kirov and perhaps 4 x 20K ton nuke powered destroyers plus a few support ships and other types suggests either landing troops, or landing training, or some sort of humanitarian mission to help an ally that includes a large helicopter contingent.

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