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    Post  GarryB on Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:58 am

    OK this might impress some people...

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    Post  George1 on Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:15 pm

    Ship composition of the Russian Navy (warships of 1-2 rank, NK - from 2000 tons full.) On 01/02/2019

    https://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/201273.html
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    Post  George1 on Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:27 pm

    Guard ship "Neustrashimy" will complete repairs in 2019

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3524764.html
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:40 pm

    pity unshaven unshaven unshaven


    Creation of an ocean corvette with 24 "Calibers" put off to the back

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    Consideration of the issue of starting substantive work on the concept of a corvette of the ocean zone, proposed by the Krylov State Research Center (KGNC) in 2017, was postponed to the mid-2020s. About this Mil.Press FlotProm told a knowledgeable industry source.

    "Due to the lack of funds and the development of the construction of the corvettes of the project 20386, the decision to create a corvette on the basis of the KGNC concept will be adopted closer to the end of the current state armaments program," the source said.

    A concept project of a multi-purpose ship of the subclass "Corvette" was created in the advanced design department of combat surface ships of the Krylov center. It combines powerful strike armament - 24 vertical launch installations for the “Caliber” - with good seaworthiness, which will allow the corvette to work in the ocean zone. The frigates of the project 22350 type "Admiral Gorshkov" carry only 16 "Caliber".

    According to the creators of the promising corvette, the construction of such ships should be carried out in a large series using assembly units. The latter will speed up the construction.
    The source of Mil.Press FlotProm in the Almaz Central Design Bureau said that the concept-project of the Krylov Center does not compete with the development of the bureau: "Naval science moves independently; tests in the KGNTs basins ". The interviewee was skeptical about the possibility of translating the concept into reality.
    According to the creator of the corvette, the head of the advanced design department for surface warships of the Krylov Center, Valentin Belonenko, the sailors got acquainted with the concept of the ship. Belonenko stressed the high nautical qualities of the corvette. He also noted that the technical solutions that emerged during the development of the concept were used in the construction of one of the newest ships of the Russian Navy.
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    The displacement of the prospective corvette is 2000–2500 tons. The ship’s air defenses are provided by 16 long-range anti-aircraft missiles and 32 short-range ones. It is also equipped with a universal 100-mm automatic gun mount and two 30-mm six- or twelve-barreled rapid-fire anti-aircraft artillery systems. Anti-submarine armament and anti-torpedo protection are represented by two four-tube torpedo tubes “Packet-NK” of 324 mm caliber. Strike armament - 24 Caliber cruise missiles. According to the creators of the concept, their number can be increased if necessary.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:16 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:  pity ....

    Creation of an ocean corvette with 24 "Calibers" put off to the back

    ..........


    I am flabbergasted they were even considering it with 20380, 20385 and 20386 in assembly simultaneously

    So we can add Anime-class corvette to the list of Krylov's Anime-series vaporware alongside Anime-class destroyer and 2 different Anime-class carriers lol1    

    Although who knows, maybe they are just ''unsure'' again?
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Mar 29, 2019 2:26 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    So we can add Anime-class corvette to the list of Krylov's Anime-series vaporware alongside Anime-class destroyer and 2 different Anime-class carriers lol1    

    Although who knows, maybe they are just ''unsure'' again?

    anime Lider which is going to series ?
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Mar 29, 2019 2:36 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    So we can add Anime-class corvette to the list of Krylov's Anime-series vaporware alongside Anime-class destroyer and 2 different Anime-class carriers lol1    

    Although who knows, maybe they are just ''unsure'' again?

    anime Lider which is going to series ?

    It's definitely not

    And if by some miracle they do start building destroyer it will not look like that early 2000s fanart
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 29, 2019 12:01 pm

    Lots of missiles tubes is a good thing, but at the end of the day these are war ships that will spend 90% of their operational lives just doing normal things, so onboard comfort and room and food and fuel supplies also need to allow for comfort and reasonable deployment times, and of course good sea keeping is a must.

    I remember a friend of mine bought a model F-16 that came with a lot of missiles as options but he decided they must all go on at once... so he attached missiles and bombs everywhere... and I mean everywhere... including the vertical tip of the tail had a Sparrow, and the horizontal tips of the tailaerons... he even put weapon pylons on top of the wings... it just looked silly... and if it could have flown would have been a real dog.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Mar 29, 2019 4:01 pm

    PapaDragon wrote: It's definitely not

    anime

    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 16 28-5132365-briz-korvet-mvms-2017



    non-anime

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    And if by some miracle they do start building destroyer it will not look like that early 2000s fanart

    hmm seriously i fail to see fan-art difference


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Mar 29, 2019 4:04 pm

    GarryB wrote:Lots of missiles tubes is a good thing, but at the end of the day these are war ships that will spend 90% of their operational lives just doing normal things, so onboard comfort and room and food and fuel supplies also need to allow for comfort and reasonable deployment times, and of course good sea keeping is a must.

    is there anything that this ship is missing? 20380 had poor sea worthiness this one good.
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    Post  eehnie on Fri Mar 29, 2019 6:55 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:pity  unshaven  unshaven  unshaven


    Creation of an ocean corvette with 24 "Calibers" put off to the back










    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 16 P8220034-3

    Consideration of the issue of starting substantive work on the concept of a corvette of the ocean zone, proposed by the Krylov State Research Center (KGNC) in 2017, was postponed to the mid-2020s. About this Mil.Press FlotProm told a knowledgeable industry source.

    "Due to the lack of funds and the development of the construction of the corvettes of the project 20386, the decision to create a corvette on the basis of the KGNC concept will be adopted closer to the end of the current state armaments program," the source said.

    A concept project of a multi-purpose ship of the subclass "Corvette" was created in the advanced design department of combat surface ships of the Krylov center. It combines powerful strike armament - 24 vertical launch installations for the “Caliber” - with good seaworthiness, which will allow the corvette to work in the ocean zone. The frigates of the project 22350 type "Admiral Gorshkov" carry only 16 "Caliber".

    According to the creators of the promising corvette, the construction of such ships should be carried out in a large series using assembly units. The latter will speed up the construction.
    The source of Mil.Press FlotProm in the Almaz Central Design Bureau said that the concept-project of the Krylov Center does not compete with the development of the bureau: "Naval science moves independently; tests in the KGNTs basins ". The interviewee was skeptical about the possibility of translating the concept into reality.
    According to the creator of the corvette, the head of the advanced design department for surface warships of the Krylov Center, Valentin Belonenko, the sailors got acquainted with the concept of the ship. Belonenko stressed the high nautical qualities of the corvette. He also noted that the technical solutions that emerged during the development of the concept were used in the construction of one of the newest ships of the Russian Navy.
    Help Mil.Press FlotProm

    The displacement of the prospective corvette is 2000–2500 tons. The ship’s air defenses are provided by 16 long-range anti-aircraft missiles and 32 short-range ones. It is also equipped with a universal 100-mm automatic gun mount and two 30-mm six- or twelve-barreled rapid-fire anti-aircraft artillery systems. Anti-submarine armament and anti-torpedo protection are represented by two four-tube torpedo tubes “Packet-NK” of 324 mm caliber. Strike armament - 24 Caliber cruise missiles. According to the creators of the concept, their number can be increased if necessary.

    thumbsup  thumbsup

    This project developped now makes others redundant, and this is not in the interest of the Russian Ministry of Defense, that has other priorities, like to allow not holes in the development of the current generation of new armament. The delay until the mid-2020s means this project will be developped then with additional improvements as part of the next generation.

    You have been reading about this here. Simply the reality comes:

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t7631p875-future-russian-aircraft-carriers-3#250364

    And this without count the Projects ongoing that would create more redundancies.

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t7032p50-sap-2018-2027-arms-procurement#213501

    This is what you can expect from the Russian Ministry of Defense if the timeline of the production of the first unit of the Project 23560 and the Project 23000 is not in agreement with the timeline for the current new generation of armament and heavy auxiliary material, creating one or two holes in the generation just in the top of the sea based armament:

    1.- After the approval of the Preliminary Design of new aircraft carrier (likely Project 23000), no-one Preliminary Project more of combat or auxiliary ship will be approved until 2026. The projects affected would be the Projects of ships of the second link [#213501], not listed here.

    2.- The funding for the development of these future projects of the second link will fall to 0 until 2026.


    3.- After the order of the first unit of the new aircraft carrier (likely Project 23000) it will not be new orders of new ships of the current projects in production until 2026.

    4.- The funding for the ships under construction today will be more strongly adapted to the real priorities of the Russian Ministry of Defense.

    And from the Russian Gouvernment you can expect also consequences for the leadership of the United Shipbuilding Corporation.

    The points 1 and 2 explain this new. And this is only the first case.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:19 pm

    KGNTs (Krylovs Scientific Center)work out the contours of prospective destroyer hull

    https://sudostroenie.info/novosti/26269.html

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    pics below too
    https://sudostroenie.info/novosti/26260.html



    eehnie wrote:The points 1 and 2 explain this new. And this is only the first case.


    mate, more facts/sources less quotes please.


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    Post  eehnie on Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:26 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    The points 1 and 2 explain this new. And this is only the first case.
    \

    mate, more facts/sources less quotes please.


    Just because you hate to see predicted things becoming real.


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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:02 pm

    eehnie wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    The points 1 and 2 explain this new. And this is only the first case.
    \

    mate, more facts/sources less quotes please.


    Just because you hate to see predicted things becoming real.


    Still waiting on anything you ranted about to become real lol1
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    Post  Isos on Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:48 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:

    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 16 IMG_0651

    pics below too
    https://sudostroenie.info/novosti/26260.html

    Project 11777 ?


    From your link: a third carrier design. Seems to be a supercarrier. Seems to be btw kuznetsov and nimitz classes. 70kt class ?

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    Post  LMFS on Fri Mar 29, 2019 11:50 pm

    Looks a bit like Ulyanovsk...
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    Post  Isos on Sat Mar 30, 2019 12:10 am

    LMFS wrote:Looks a bit like Ulyanovsk...

    There is a text with the picture. Maybe someone can translate ?
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Mar 30, 2019 12:30 am

    PapaDragon wrote:Still waiting on anything you ranted about to become real lol1

    “PATIENCE YOU MUST HAVE my young padawan"
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Mar 30, 2019 12:32 am

    Isos wrote:
    LMFS wrote:Looks a bit like Ulyanovsk...

    There is a text with the picture. Maybe someone can translate ?


    1) On the blower on this day was the mock aircraft carrying cruiser.

    2) In a wind tunnel, several problems are solved. First, how the ship will behave under the wind of various directions and strength. Secondly, how the wind will affect the safety of aircraft to eliminate accidents.

    3) For greater visibility of the air flow during the test, smoke is used.




    @LMFS - Shtorm/Ulyanovsk are not that far away in design

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    Post  eehnie on Sat Mar 30, 2019 12:42 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:Still waiting on anything you ranted about to become real lol1

    “PATIENCE YOU MUST HAVE my young padawan"

    Not exahustive list:

    - The rupture of the first contract of the Be-200.
    - The help to Syria with L-39.
    - The absence of war with the Kurds in Syria.
    - The replacement of Msta-B in active service by Msta-S in the reserve in Russia.
    - The absence of the Rysachok aircraft in the Russian Armed Forces.
    - The absence of the SR-10 aircraft in the Russian Armed Forces.
    - The absence of the MiG-AT aircraft in the Russian Armed Forces.
    - The failure in the tests of the Diamond DA-42 aircraft, that leads to absence of procurement to the Russian Armed Forces.
    - The begin of the replacement of unarmoured tractor elements by armoured tractor elements in a good number of land based Surface-Surface, Surface-Air systems.
    - The presence of the Project 23560 in the State Armament Program 2018-2027.
    - The presence of the future Russian Aircraft Carrier in the State Armament Program 2018-2027.
    - The presence of the MiG-41 in the State Armament Program 2018-2027.
    - The 152mm weapon for combined direct/indirect fire in the mold of the current 120mm weapon of the 2S34, 2S9...
    - The increasing of the future use of helicopters for Airborne Troops.

    and a good number more. Arrow Arrow

    I have not problems with it. The record of Papadragon instead pwnd pwnd pwnd

    And your own record pwnd pwnd pwnd
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:03 am

    tass news article stating the following


    KUBINKA, March 20. /TASS/. The United Shipbuilding Corporation will provide 16 new combat ships for the Russian Navy this year, USC President Alexei Rakhmanov told a business conference at the theme park Patriot near Moscow on Wednesday.

    "We are going to deliver to the Navy another 16 top-notch vessels," Rakhmanov said.

    Earlier, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said that the Navy this year was to get seven new combat ships, including four submarines and seven repaired ones.
    more:
    http://tass.com/defense/1049534

    any ideas of whats getting delivered this year including the repaired ones????
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    Post  Isos on Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:02 pm

    http://tass.com/defense/1052802/amp?__twitter_impression=true

    Two frigates, two amphibious ships to be laid down April 23

    MOSCOW, April 9. /TASS/. Two frigates of project 22350 and two amphibious assault ships of project 11711 for the Russian Navy will be laid down at shipyards in St. Petersburg and Kaliningrad on April 23, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said on Tuesday.

    "On April 23, several blue water ships will be laid - two frigates of project 22350 at the Svernaya Verf (Northern Shipyard) in St. Petersburg and two amphibious assault ships of project 11711 at the Yantar shipyard in Kaliningrad," Shoigu said at a distance conference on Tuesday.

    "Alongside this the Northern Shipyard will couple two major hull units of the project 20386 corvette. It will be named after the military brig The Merkuriy, whose heroic feat will turn 190 in May," Shoigu said.

    The frigates, amphibious assault ships and the frigate are to be provided for the Navy by 2025.

    The Russian Navy currently has only one frigate of project 22350 - The Admiral Gorshkov, which entered service in July 2018. It is expected that the Russian military in December 2019 will receive a second ship of this type - The Admiral Kasatonov. The Northern Shipyard is building two more frigates of project 22350.

    In June 2018, one amphibious assault ship of project 11711, The Ivan Gren, went operational. The Yantar shipyard is building another same type ship, The Pyotr Morgunov. The shipyard’s CEO Eduard Yefimov said at a certain point that the series of these ships would not be continued, but at the end of December 2018 the president of the United Shipbuilding Corporation, Alexei Rakhmanov, said that the Russian Navy would get another two or three ships of the same type, built according to an upgraded project.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:51 pm

    Well atleast they are finally making more frigates hopefully it doesn't take them over six years to get these ships out.

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