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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  eehnie on Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:14 am

    PREVIEW OF CHANGES IN THE COMBAT FLEET OF THE RUSSIAN NAVY 2018-2025

    As explained before, Russia has been doing a process of reduction of the fleet since the end of the Soviet Union. Russia has been selecting the best mix of ships to keep from the fleet of the Soviet Union while decommissioning the less modern and less useful ships. For it, Russia decommissioned a good amount of young ships, something that only makes sense in a process of reduction of the fleet (otherwise is a strong source of money loses).

    Taking into account the data of the last years, the process of reduction of the combat fleet is about to be finnished. Still there is some early decommission, but very few. In overall terms it seems that Russia is begining the next stage for its fleet, advancing not more in the reduction of the fleet.

    2016 Decommissions: Total = 3

    1 Project 877 Conventional Submarine (commissioned 1984)
    1 Project 641B Conventional Submarine (commissioned 1982)
    1 Project 12421 Missile Boat (commissioned 2000, sale to Egypt)

    2016 Commissions: Total = 5

    2 Project 06363 Conventional Submarine
    2 Project 11356 Frigate
    1 Project 12700 Minesweeper

    2017 Decommisssions: Total = 2

    1 Project 12411 Missile Boat (commissioned 1987) ** previously reported as decommissioned in 2016
    1 Project 11351 Frigate (commissioned 1991, Russian Coast Guard)

    2017 Commissions: Total = 2

    1 Project 20380/20385 Frigate/Corvette
    1 Project 11356 Frigate

    The next stage for the Combat Fleet of the Russian Navy is a phase of stability. After a phase of reduction of the fleet the alone logical step is a phase of stability. A country does not decommission young ships to build inmediately big amounts of new ships. This is a bad business. In the following years, Russia will likely do a number of commissions very close to the number of decommissions. And this number will be low because Russia has a this point very low numbers of old ships.

    For the period between 2018-2025, these are the ships that I expect to go to decommission and/or scrapping:

    2- Project 1176 15 to 1500 tons Amphibious ships (planned early decommission, Russian Coast Guard)
    1 - Project 641B Conventional Submarine (captured to Ukraine)
    4 - Project 1204 15 to 500 tons Missile Boats
    4 - Project 1171 Over 1500 tons Amphibious Ships
    1 - Project 1134B 5000 to 10000 tons Warship
    1 - Project 61/01090 1500 to 5000 tons Warship
    1 - Project 1332 Minesweeper
    6 - Project 266 Minesweeper (1 captured to Ukraine)

    It means 20 total ships that would be to be replaced in the period 2018-2025, 2.50 per year on average. More decomissions and/or scrapping would be negative.

    This is what can be expected for the period covered by the State Armament Program 2018-2025. It is logical then, a reduction of the budget for the Russian Navy in the new program.

    This is a link to a previously posted list of Russian Combat Ships under construction:

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t5541p150-russian-naval-construction-plans-and-update#212605

    The list is far longer than the needs in the short and mid term, but also this long list of ships under construction is part of the strategy of Russia, that only would need to increase the rythm of production in case of problems. The slow rythm of production and commission of new ships is part of the military strategy of Russia, this is not a consequence of bad management or lack of efficiency like some people want to say.

    This was the complete list, some of the ships can be to export:

    By generic role:

    38 - Warships:
    1 - Project 11540 Frigate (2 more not-completed)
    1 - Project 11660/11661 Frigate (1 more not-completed)
    9 - Project 20380/20385 Frigate/Corvette
    5 - Project 21631 Corvette (1 more not completed)
    6 - Project 22350 Destroyer/Frigate
    6 - Project 22160 Frigate
    7 - Project 22800 Corvette
    2 - Project 20386 Frigate/Corvette
    1 - Project 23560 Cruiser/Destroyer http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_23560.htm

    0 - Project 23000 Aircraft Carrier

    21 - Submarines:
    1 - Project 949/09852 Nuclear Submarine (5 more not-completed)
    6 - Project 636/06363/877/08773 Conventional Submarine (2 more not-completed)
    2 - Project 677 Conventional Submarine
    5 - Project 955 Nuclear Submarine
    6 - Project 885/08851 Nuclear Submarine
    1 - Project 09851 Nuclear Submarine

    9 - Amphibious:
    1 - Project 11770/11771 (Azov shipyard, Mariupol)
    6 - Project 21820
    2 - Project 11711

    17 - Minesweepers:
    3 - Project 1265 (1 more not-completed)
    6 - Project 10750
    1 - Project 12255 (1 more not-completed)
    7 - Project 12700

    7 - Missile Boats:
    6 - Project 12411/12417/12418/1241RE
    1 - Project 12300

    92 - Ships under construction (13 more not-completed) Some maybe to export.

    The question is which of these ships can be part of the 20 (or little more) combat ships that Russia can finish and commission until the end of 2025.

    In the case of ships builuding, to finnish the construction of the first unit of a new ship is important in order to assure the capability/hability in the production of the following ships of the project. It means, that between the ships under construction is likely to see the commission before the end of 2025 of the fist unit of the following projects:

    1 - Project 23560 Over 10000 tons Warship
    1 - Project 22350 5000 to 10000 tons Warship
    1 - Project 22160 1500 to 5000 tons Warship
    1 - Project 20386 1500 to 5000 tons Warship
    1 - Project 22800 500 5o 1500 tons Warship
    1 - Project 09851 Nuclear Special Submarine
    1 - Project 11711 Over 1500 tons Amphibious Ship
    1 - Project 12300 15 to 500 tons Missile Boat

    Also it is important for Russia to assure that the country is able to build modern combat ships of every cathegory. The alone cathegory out until now would be Aircraft Carriers. Russia is developing a project under the State Armament Program 2011-2020, that must be finished by 2020, Russia expects to finish the upgrading of its shypyards by 2020, and the order and begin of construction of the first unit of the Project 23000 (the alone known until now) is likely to be done under the State Armament Program 2011-2020:

    1 - Project 23000 Aircraf Carrier Warship

    Between all the list, these 9 combat ships are those which construction is the most important for Russia in the period 2018-2025, because its production, in adition to the military capabilities of the ships, will provide to Russia the hability to build new more modern projects of ships and even new types of ships that Russia produced not until now.

    Taking into account the role of the ships to be decommissioned, the ships with most advanced status of production, and the most likely models for a well balanced distribution of the Russian fleet, my stimation for the construction of new combat ships would be of around 24 new combat ships until the end of 2025. Taking into account the 9 previous, the rest until 24 likely would be (unless some of these go to export):

    1 - Project 11711 Over 1500 tons Amphibious Ship
    1 - Project 11770 15 to 1500 tons Amphibious Ship
    2 - Project 21820 15 to 1500 tons Amphibious Ship
    1 - Project 1265 Minesweeper
    1 - Project 10750 Minesweeper
    1 - Project 12255 Minesweeper
    4 - Project 12700 Minesweeper
    4 - Project 12411/12417/12418/1241RE 15 5o 1500 tons Missile Boat

    Then, unles some of the new minesweepers go to export, the most likely scheme of replacement for the period 2018-2025 would be:

    New <--------------------------------------------------------------------------------> 1 - Project 23000 Aircraf Carrier Warship
    New <--------------------------------------------------------------------------------> 1 - Project 23560 Over 10000 tons Warship
    New <--------------------------------------------------------------------------------> 1 - Project 20386 1500 to 5000 tons Warship
    New <--------------------------------------------------------------------------------> 1 - Project 22800 500 5o 1500 tons Warship
    1 - Project 1134B 5000 to 10000 tons Warship <-------------------------> 1 - Project 22350 5000 to 10000 tons Warship
    1 - Project 61/01090 1500 to 5000 tons Warship <----------------------> 1 - Project 22160 1500 to 5000 tons Warship
    1 - Project 641B SSK Conventional Submarine  <------------------------------> 1 - Project 09851 Special Nuclear Submarine
    1 - Project 1332 Minesweeper <----------------------------------------------> 1 - Project 10750 Minesweeper
    1 - Project 266 Minesweeper <-----------------------------------------------> 1 - Project 1265 Minesweeper
    1 - Project 266 Minesweeper <-----------------------------------------------> 1 - Project 12255 Minesweeper
    4 - Project 266 Minesweeper <-----------------------------------------------> 4 - Project 12700 Minesweeper
    4 - Project 1204 15 to 500 tons Missile Boats <---------------------------> 4 - Project 12411/12417/12418/1241RE 15 to 500 tons Missile Boat
    1 - Project 1176 15 to 1500 tons Amphibious Ships <-------------------> 1 - Project 12300 15 to 500 tons Missile Boat
    1 - Project 1176 15 to 1500 tons Amphibious Ships <-------------------> 1 - Project 11770 15 to 1500 tons Amphibious Ship
    2 - Project 1171 Over 1500 tons Amphibious Ships <-------------------> 2 - Project 11711 Over 1500 tons Amphibious Ship
    2 - Project 1171 Over 1500 tons Amphibious Ships <-------------------> 2 - Project 21820 15 5o 1500 tons Amphibious Ship

    That would:
    - Keep stable the combat ship fleet of Russia.
    - Keep stable the balance between the sips of different roles.
    - Cover the replacement of the oldest ships (with 50 years old by 2025).
    - Reinforce the overall strenght of the fleet.
    - Assure that Russia is able of producing by 2025 ships of every project of combat ship ordered until now. http://www.russiadefence.net/t7032p25-state-armament-program-2018-2025#208063
    - Assure that Russia is able of producing by 2025 ships of every type of combat ship. http://www.russiadefence.net/t7032p25-state-armament-program-2018-2025#208063
    - Avoid the early retirement of more young ships.
    - To keep stable the human force of the Russian Navy, that would continue at same time with the reduction of its fleet of auxiliary ships that is not finished still.

    Is this over optimistic? No, the alone ship that can have a narrow timeline would be the Aircraft Carrier, but the low need on other types of ships in this period helps to do a bigger effort on this project. It is about to attend priorities.

    Modernization of current ships? Yes. Upgrade to the new types of missiles and to make them multirole if possible.

    Design and development of new types of ships? Those most directly inspired by the Russian Maritime Doctrine of 2015 would be the main options, avoiding redundant projects for the next armament generation:
    http://www.russiadefence.net/t7032p50-state-armament-program-2018-2025#211922
    http://www.russiadefence.net/t7032p50-state-armament-program-2018-2025#211924
    Project ??? Kalina (SSK)
    Project ??? Husky (SSBN)
    Project ??? Underwater Interceptor (SSN)
    Project ????? Priboi or Project ????? Lavina or Project ????? Kashalot

    It is possible that Russia can afford to finish the construction of more ships in 2018-2025? Maybe, specially between the ships currently launched. Less important than the modernization of current ships.

    New orders of ships under the State Armament Program 2018-2025 to be finished after 2025? Taking into account the ships that would be to decommission in 2026-2030, is likely to see new orders of:
    Amphibious ships over 1500 tons (Project 11711 and/or one of the new Amphibious Helicopter Carriers)

    For the period between 2026-2027, these are the ships that I expect to go to decommission and/or scrapping:

    2 - Project 775 Over 1500 tons Amphibious Ship
    1 - Project 1176 Under 1500 tons Amphibious Ship
    1 - Project 697 Minesweeper
    1 - Project 266 Minesweeper (captured to Ukraine)


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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:36 am

    Priboi (Mistralski) update:
    ..the ship is clearly intended for defence purposes to protect the extensive coastline along the Arctic Ocean, or in the Black Sea and along the chain of Kuril Islands. The ship is not designed to travel across oceans, and this is where the 6,000 mile range comes from.
    See more at http://www.pravdareport.com/russia/economics/01-02-2018/139906-russia_mistral-0/http://www.pravdareport.com/russia/economics/01-02-2018/139906-russia_mistral-0/
    From the horse's mouth:
    https://iz.ru/703082/konstantin-bogdanov/velikii-remont
    Modernization of 2 CGNs will still take less time than building 5–6 new FFGs or 10 corvettes, which won't have NP. The Leader class is still on paper but very far from becoming tangible. Time will tell!
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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  Militarov on Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:00 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Priboi (Mistralski) update:
    ..the ship is clearly intended for defence purposes to protect the extensive coastline along the Arctic Ocean, or in the Black Sea and along the chain of Kuril Islands. The ship is not designed to travel across oceans, and this is where the 6,000 mile range comes from.
    See more at http://www.pravdareport.com/russia/economics/01-02-2018/139906-russia_mistral-0/http://www.pravdareport.com/russia/economics/01-02-2018/139906-russia_mistral-0/
    From the horse's mouth:
    https://iz.ru/703082/konstantin-bogdanov/velikii-remont
    Modernization of 2 CGNs will still take less time than building 5–6 new FFGs or 10 corvettes, which won't have NP. The Leader class is still on paper but very far from becoming tangible. Time will tell!

    Some people on this forum have proof that Leader is being built already, stop spreading anti-Russian propaganda please.
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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:00 am

    Militarov wrote:
    Tsavo Lion wrote:Priboi (Mistralski) update:
    ..the ship is clearly intended for defence purposes to protect the extensive coastline along the Arctic Ocean, or in the Black Sea and along the chain of Kuril Islands. The ship is not designed to travel across oceans, and this is where the 6,000 mile range comes from.
    See more at http://www.pravdareport.com/russia/economics/01-02-2018/139906-russia_mistral-0/http://www.pravdareport.com/russia/economics/01-02-2018/139906-russia_mistral-0/
    From the horse's mouth:
    https://iz.ru/703082/konstantin-bogdanov/velikii-remont
    Modernization of 2 CGNs will still take less time than building 5–6 new FFGs or 10 corvettes, which won't have NP. The Leader class is still on paper but very far from becoming tangible. Time will tell!

    Some people on this forum have proof that Leader is being built already, stop spreading anti-Russian propaganda please.

    "Now the deadline for laying the head "Leader" has been postponed already in 2025, which means that under the new State Program of 2018-2027, this issue will not receive significant funding. At one time there were even rumors that the "Leader" was simply deleted from the painting of GPV-2027, but then it was decided to allocate "some money to support the project."

    This is nothing new, I already knew all of this.

    Still poor Enhiee the guy must be in the fetal position right now. If only I had it in me to feel an ounce of pity.


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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:17 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    "Now the deadline for laying the head "Leader" has been postponed already in 2025, which means that under the new State Program of 2018-2027, this issue will not receive significant funding. At one time there were even rumors that the "Leader" was simply deleted from the painting of GPV-2027, but then it was decided to allocate "some money to support the project."

    This is nothing new, I already knew all of this.

    Still poor Enhiee the guy must be int he fiddle position right now. If only I had it in me to feel an ounce of pity.


    Well IMHO this is just logical : first access denial - via MRKs or subs + later  aviation (new GUZR + Kh50) ,then thinking about representing Russian flag on far and away oceans. Helicopter carriers IMHO will mostly have ASW function long  Northern Route.
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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  eehnie on Fri Feb 02, 2018 7:11 pm

    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_23560.htm

    This database includes not projects of ships that reached not the construction phase. As example you will not find still in the database the Project 23000, the Project Priboi, the Project Lavina, the Project Kalina, the project Husky, the Project 22500,...

    After looking about every project, I found no-one case in the database where they say a project reached the prodction phase, but is not right. My experience is that their work is right in overall terms and I found not a mistake of the importance of whicht you are accusing them of. For me the source is reliable in overall terms, unlike your word. And is one of the bests, if not the best.

    If you want to dispute the source, you can try to find in the database one case more where the database says that a project reached the production phase but is not true.



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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:35 pm

    Any project can exist on paper/computer file or in the heads of interest groups/designers for many years before they materialize or, in many cases, cancelled/curtailed. That's what happened to US Seawolf SSN (only 3 built) & Enterprise class CVN (only 1 built):
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seawolf-class_submarine
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(CVN-65)
    The list is very long:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Cancelled_ships_of_the_United_States_Navy
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Abandoned_military_projects_of_the_United_States

    The USSR had many cancelled project as well:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Abandoned_military_aircraft_projects_of_the_Soviet_Union
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovetsky_Soyuz-class_battleship
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_1153_Orel
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_aircraft_carrier_Ulyanovsk

    If it makes u feel good about those projects we r discussing, hold ur breath & pray they r not cancelled before u grow old!
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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  Militarov on Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:03 am

    eehnie wrote:http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_23560.htm

    This database includes not projects of ships that reached not the construction phase. As example you will not find still in the database the Project 23000, the Project Priboi, the Project Lavina, the Project Kalina, the project Husky, the Project 22500,...

    After looking about every project, I found no-one case in the database where they say a project reached the prodction phase, but is not right. My experience is that their work is right in overall terms and I found not a mistake of the importance of whicht you are accusing them of. For me the source is reliable in overall terms, unlike your word. And is one of the bests, if not the best.

    If you want to dispute the source, you can try to find in the database one case more where the database says that a project reached the production phase but is not true.

    Drop dead.
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    navy construction plan

    Post  George1 on Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:16 am

    The ship's composition of the Russian Navy (combat ships of 1-2 rank, NK - from 2,000 tons full) on 01-02.02.2018





    https://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/182204.html


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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Feb 23, 2018 1:57 am

    Some1 wrote that "the Baltic & Black Seas r lagoons" & therefore won't need big fleets. I don't agree. They both support deployments to the Med. Sea & occasionally to the Indian Ocean.
    http://www.businessinsider.com/russias-baltic-fleet-will-get-new-missile-corvette-and-bombers-2017-5
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-defence-baltic-sweden/russia-beefs-up-baltic-fleet-amid-nato-tensions-reports-idUSKCN12Q1HB
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_Fleet#Additions_of_ships_to_the_Fleet

    Between the 2 seas, the internal waterways r not deep for most of them & that's why 5 SSKs so far went around Europe to its new base in the BSF: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91-261_%C2%AB%D0%9D%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%C2%BB#%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B1%D0%B0
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Deep_Water_System_of_European_Russia
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91-237_%C2%AB%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2-%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0%94%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%83%C2%BB#%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B1%D0%B0
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91-262_%C2%AB%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%9E%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB%C2%BB#%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B1%D0%B0
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91-265_%C2%AB%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B0%D1%80%C2%BB#%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B1%D0%B0
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91-268_%C2%AB%D0%92%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%9D%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%C2%BB#%D0%98%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D1%81%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B1%D1%8B

    The Belomorkanal is also too small for the NF to reinforce the Baltic Fleet w/o going around Scandinavia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Sea%E2%80%93Baltic_Canal

    So, they both need bigger fleets for sustainability & flexibility; otherwise, the N. & Pac. Fleets will have to plug the gaps in the Med.& Red Seas & the Indian Ocean, like the CG Varyag did off Syria!

    https://pulaski.pl/en/russian-anti-access-area-denial-a2ad-capabilities-implications-for-nato/
    Rebuttal: http://nvo.ng.ru/concepts/2018-.02-22/1_985_west.html?print=Y
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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  Kimppis on Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:07 pm

    Tsavo Lion, you link a lot of Western MSM BS about Russia and China for some reason, but this one is really good:

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Rebuttal: http://nvo.ng.ru/concepts/2018-.02-22/1_985_west.html?print=Y

    Terms like A2/AD and hybrid warfare are indeed basically meaningless and "pseudo-scientific" concepts that are pure propaganda, "Gerasimov Doctrine" doesn't actually exist, etc. The author is on point. Although funnily enough he also criticizes the Color Revolution concept, which is very popular among Russophiles/anti-Americans: "At the same time, the followers of this concept, as a rule, diligently ignore the fact that no external influence will lead to a revolution if there are no internal prerequisites for it."

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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:29 pm

    He could also mention "private security companies" & Russian ChVK, i.e. mercenaries-dozens reportedly died earlier E. Ukraine & in Syria recently: https://www.google.com/search?q=mercenaries&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjmoYb5n8TZAhVH4mMKHdxpA5sQ_AUICygC&biw=819&bih=510

    It's also ancient practice- the hired Greeks fought for Egypt & Persia, Celts for Greeks, the Swiss & Germans for other Europeans, the others for S. Africa, & in Asia & elsewhere:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercenary#Private_military_and_security_companies
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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:45 am

    India to buy four upgraded Krivak III frigates for $3B
    http://www.janes.com/article/78204/india-to-buy-four-upgraded-krivak-iii-frigates-for-usd3-billion

    I'm sure they plan, as before, to build some more of their own as well!-
    On 12 October 2010, it was announced that the Yantar Yard at Kaliningrad on the Baltic Sea had won a contract to construct three new warships for the Russian Navy. The construction of the frigates for the Russian Navy will be carried out in parallel with the construction of the same-type frigates for the Indian Navy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krivak-class_frigate

    Project 11356P/M (Admiral Grigorovich)
    Six frigates of the Admiral Grigorovich-class were ordered [3 delivered] for the Black Sea Fleet to be built by the Yantar Yard in Kaliningrad which is also building the Talwar-class for the Indian Navy. [6 delivered, 10 planned: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talwar-class_frigate]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krivak-class_frigate#Project_11356P/M_(Admiral_Grigorovich)

    Will any more of them be need in the RuN after the remaining 3 r delivered to the BSF?
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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:22 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:He could also mention "private security companies" & Russian ChVK, i.e. mercenaries-dozens reportedly died earlier E. Ukraine & in Syria recently: https://www.google.com/search?q=mercenaries&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjmoYb5n8TZAhVH4mMKHdxpA5sQ_AUICygC&biw=819&bih=510

    It's also ancient practice- the hired Greeks fought for Egypt & Persia, Celts for Greeks, the Swiss & Germans for other Europeans, the others for S. Africa, & in Asia & elsewhere:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercenary#Private_military_and_security_companies

    Please this shit is form France24, Business insider and Ukro-reich ! especially "died in Ukraine" . But never any proofs presented... BTW Academia has security guards or contractors never mercenaries. Interesting isnt it?
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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  George1 on Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:48 am

    Construction of warships of the ocean and far sea for the Russian Navy as of 01.03.2018



    https://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/184140.html


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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Mar 04, 2018 7:10 pm

    Lights blue touch paper.

    In early 2010s the successes in Russian military buildup triggered an euphoria. It was characterized by calls to resume the production of missile-carrying trains, sea skimmers, air-cushioned ships and total upgrade of the fleet inherited from the USSR. However, it should be admitted now that the program had failed, expert Alexander Shishkin writes in the Vzglyad business newspaper.

    http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/focus-analysis/naval-technology/6006-russia-s-modernization-of-soviet-era-vessels-facing-problems-part-1.html
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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  George1 on Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:52 am

    Report from PJSC Shipyard "Severnaya Verf" (Under construction ships)

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3113976.html



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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:16 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Lights blue touch paper.

    In early 2010s the successes in Russian military buildup triggered an euphoria. It was characterized by calls to resume the production of missile-carrying trains, sea skimmers, air-cushioned ships and total upgrade of the fleet inherited from the USSR. However, it should be admitted now that the program had failed, expert Alexander Shishkin writes in the Vzglyad business newspaper.

    http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/focus-analysis/naval-technology/6006-russia-s-modernization-of-soviet-era-vessels-facing-problems-part-1.html

    Well Vzglyad is more like "bloggers digest" - no own news just digested and commented from other sources. End ths expert is AFAIK just a nave engineer nobody who runs any industrial activity.
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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  George1 on Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:58 pm

    Construction of warships of the ocean and far sea for the Russian Navy as of 04/01/2018

    Information was used from reports of the Ministry of Defense of Russia, information agencies, press services of shipyard enterprises; from factory newspapers; from websites, blogs and forums on naval, military and military-industrial topics.



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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  verkhoturye51 on Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:42 pm

    Question for George: after Ivan Gren commision next month, can we expect decomissions of some Aligator LSTs from 1960s?
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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  George1 on Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:29 am

    verkhoturye51 wrote:Question for George: after Ivan Gren commission next month, can we expect decommissions of some Aligator LSTs from 1960s?

    i have no idea.


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