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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:16 am

    The-thing-next-door wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:he has the Project 22350 listed has a DD. When that ship is not comparable to a DD

    The Russian Navy has it listed as a destroyer so are they wrong?

    And where do they have listed as a DD because I have never seen them ever officially call it a DD because if they consider that a DD whoever is in charge of their planning now needs a bullet in his head.
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    Post  eehnie on Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:57 pm

    eehnie wrote:Project 20380/20385 Frigate/Corvette
    Project 22350 Destroyer/Frigate
    Project 20386 Frigate/Corvette
    Project 23560 Cruiser/Destroyer

    This notation means that while these warships receive an official designation they are in a size cathegory habitually formed by warships of other cathegory:

    The Project 23560 are designed Destroyer, while they are ships over 10000 tons.
    The Project 22350 are considered Frigates, while they are ships between 5000 and 10000 tons.
    The Project 20380/20385 are considered Corvettes, while they are ships between 1500 and 5000 tons.
    The Project 20386 are designed Corvettes, while they are ships between 1500 and 5000 tons.

    The reason of this notation is that despite its official designations:

    The Project 23560 are likely to replace other ships over 10000 tons => Cruisers.
    The Project 22350 are likely to replace other ships between 5000 and 10000 tons => Destroyers (+ Project 1134B Cruiser)
    The Project 20380/20385 are likely to replace other ships between 1500 and 5000 tons => Frigates (+ Project 61/01090 Destroyer)
    The Project 20386 are likely to replace other ships between 1500 and 5000 tons => Frigates (+ Project 61/01090 Destroyer)


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    Post  franco on Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:39 pm

    Warships delivered to the Navy and coast Guard in 2017;

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/102395/
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:52 pm

    eehnie wrote:
    eehnie wrote:Project 20380/20385 Frigate/Corvette
    Project 22350 Destroyer/Frigate
    Project 20386 Frigate/Corvette
    Project 23560 Cruiser/Destroyer

    This notation means that while these warships receive an official designation they are in a size cathegory habitually formed by warships of other cathegory:

    The Project 23560 are designed Destroyer, while they are ships over 10000 tons.
    The Project 22350 are considered Frigates, while they are ships between 5000 and 10000 tons.
    The Project 20380/20385 are considered Corvettes, while they are ships between 1500 and 5000 tons.
    The Project 20386 are designed Corvettes, while they are ships between 1500 and 5000 tons.

    The reason of this notation is that despite its official designations:

    The Project 23560 are likely to replace other ships over 10000 tons => Cruisers.
    The Project 22350 are likely to replace other ships between 5000 and 10000 tons => Destroyers (+ Project 1134B Cruiser)
    The Project 20380/20385 are likely to replace other ships between 1500 and 5000 tons => Frigates (+ Project 61/01090 Destroyer)
    The Project 20386 are likely to replace other ships between 1500 and 5000 tons => Frigates (+ Project 61/01090 Destroyer)

    To note that the Project 1204 boats are very likely to be replaced by bigger warships.

    Project 23560 are paper ships until they start appearing those cannot be considered fact.

    Project 22350's are about 5k Until a super Gork is laid down the class does not exceed that.

    The 20380 and 85's are at most 2.5k Tons 5k you drunk?.

    20386 cannot replace frigates they are way to lightly armed and aren't multi-role ships

    All the ships you are naming are horrible outgunned to be in such categories.

    Russia only has what five surface ships that go past 10k Tons.

    Their "DD" are relics and do not have modern weapons, and are at most 7k tons.

    Their Crusiers are at the size of basic DD's at around 10k tons.

    Only the Kirov class size fit's it's designation.

    the vast majority of the Russian surface fleet is made up of 5k plus or under ships with a bunch of aging relics that need to be modernized and even then are only a stop gap measure at best.
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    Post  Kimppis on Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:42 am

    eehnie's naval "projections" have been full of shit lately, but come on...

    He simply said that Gorshkovs are 5000 tons and Super-Gorshkovs are above that, hence those ships are going to be between 5000 and 10,000 tons.

    The project 20380 ships are corvettes, which he defines as ships that are between 1500 and 5000 tons. He didn't say that 20380s are exactly or even close to 5000 tons. Do you disagree?

    It seems it can also be argued that 20386s are "frigates", to a large extent anyway. Corvettes with 24 VLS? Those are some very heavily armed "corvettes". And probably partially for that reason the Russians have not ordered additional Grigorovich-class ships. EDIT: And btw, so are those 20380... heavy corvettes, atleast.

    Are you also seriously arguing that classes like Type 052D and Type 45 are not destroyers? That destroyers have to be as heavy as ABs, close to 10,000 tons? Are Type 055s destroyers or cruisers? The Chinese call them "destroyers". How about Zumwalts?

    Kirovs don't actually fit any category... They are much bigger and more heavily armed than Ticos... So if Kirovs just simply fit their "designation", then are Ticos not cruisers?

    IMO, even the standard Gorshkov is sort of a light destroyer and the super-Gorshkovs are certainly going to be destroyers. Also, the 20386s are too heavy to be simply designated as corvettes. 1:1 comparisons between Gorshkovs and ABs are BS, the Russian Navy is not going to face its American counterpart outside the range of Russia's anti-access and land-based assets. Similarly 1:1 comparing China's Type 052D to ABs is IMO misleading...
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    Post  eehnie on Mon Jan 01, 2018 1:06 pm

    Kimppis wrote:...

    All the construction numbers that I posted are based on data of public sources. I included not the sources to avoid to put decens of links, but do not try to look cool at my cost or you will have all the links here.

    You seems to have a little better understanding than Seig Soloyvov, who is desperately trying to reject all because there is public data that says what he dislikes. Still, I defined not Corvettes as ships between 1500 and 5000 tons (habitually the Corvettes are between 500 and 1500 tons).

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Mon Jan 01, 2018 5:09 pm

    Kimppis wrote:eehnie's naval "projections" have been full of shit lately, but come on...

    He simply said that Gorshkovs are 5000 tons and Super-Gorshkovs are above that, hence those ships are going to be between 5000 and 10,000 tons.

    The project 20380 ships are corvettes, which he defines as ships that are between 1500 and 5000 tons. He didn't say that 20380s are exactly or even close to 5000 tons. Do you disagree?

    It seems it can also be argued that 20386s are "frigates", to a large extent anyway. Corvettes with 24 VLS? Those are some very heavily armed "corvettes". And probably partially for that reason the Russians have not ordered additional Grigorovich-class ships. EDIT: And btw, so are those 20380... heavy corvettes, atleast.

    Are you also seriously arguing that classes like Type 052D and Type 45 are not destroyers? That destroyers have to be as heavy as ABs, close to 10,000 tons? Are Type 055s destroyers or cruisers? The Chinese call them "destroyers". How about Zumwalts?

    Kirovs don't actually fit any category... They are much bigger and more heavily armed than Ticos... So if Kirovs just simply fit their "designation", then are Ticos not cruisers?

    IMO, even the standard Gorshkov is sort of a light destroyer and the super-Gorshkovs are certainly going to be destroyers. Also, the 20386s are too heavy to be simply designated as corvettes. 1:1 comparisons between Gorshkovs and ABs are BS, the Russian Navy is not going to face its American counterpart outside the range of Russia's anti-access and land-based assets. Similarly 1:1 comparing China's Type 052D to ABs is IMO misleading...

    Has of right now Gorks are only 5k when a super is laid down then fine, that s what it said. Until the ship becomes a physical thing I don't count paper stats.

    The Project 20386's while around 3.4k tons and about 4k when fully loaded are very lightly armed most of their VLS is made up of Redut less then half it's VLS is kalibers the ship is very lightly armed for a ship of that size and again the ship is incapable of proper multi-functionality in terms of weapons. It isn't a proper frigate, I think those ships are very nice corvettes sure but they are vastly inferior to proper frigates.

    Yes those are DD's and yes the Uda and Sol class are the size of light DD's however they aren't capable at all of filling a DD role these days. Their weapons are dated and they are designed to do a singular task. The sols were designed to be anti-ship and the uda anti sub however when compared to the DD's of today they fall WAAAAAAAAY behind. So while you can consider them DD's they aren't modern DD's by any account. Those ships were never intended to remain in service this long, if the USSR still existed they would have been replaced ages ago.

    I consider Zumwalts Cruisers. Just like the Lider isn't a DD but a Cruiser.

    Kirov is battlecruisers, their size fits this. They are way to big to be cruisers.

    Standard Gorks aren't light DD's they have roughly half the weapon count as a DD does and this makes sense these are frigates after all that is how it was intended.

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    Post  eehnie on Mon Jan 01, 2018 5:29 pm

    eehnie wrote:
    eehnie wrote:Project 20380/20385 Frigate/Corvette
    Project 22350 Destroyer/Frigate
    Project 20386 Frigate/Corvette
    Project 23560 Cruiser/Destroyer

    This notation means that while these warships receive an official designation they are in a size cathegory habitually formed by warships of other cathegory:

    The Project 23560 are designed Destroyer, while they are ships over 10000 tons.
    The Project 22350 are considered Frigates, while they are ships between 5000 and 10000 tons.
    The Project 20380/20385 are considered Corvettes, while they are ships between 1500 and 5000 tons.
    The Project 20386 are designed Corvettes, while they are ships between 1500 and 5000 tons.

    The reason of this notation is that despite its official designations:

    The Project 23560 are likely to replace other ships over 10000 tons => Cruisers.
    The Project 22350 are likely to replace other ships between 5000 and 10000 tons => Destroyers (+ Project 1134B Cruiser)
    The Project 20380/20385 are likely to replace other ships between 1500 and 5000 tons => Frigates (+ Project 61/01090 Destroyer)
    The Project 20386 are likely to replace other ships between 1500 and 5000 tons => Frigates (+ Project 61/01090 Destroyer)

    To note that the Project 1204 boats are very likely to be replaced by bigger warships.

    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_23560.htm
    Project 23560: 14000 tons => over 10000 tons
    Designed Destroyer, but of size of Cruisers. Examples of smaller Cruisers:
    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_1164.htm
    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_1134b.htm

    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_22350.htm
    Project 22350: 5400 tons => between 5000 and 10000 tons
    Project 22350M (called super Gorshkov): weight not specified in the source.
    Considered Frigate, but of size of Destroyers. Examples of smaller Destroyers:
    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_61.htm (Project 01090)
    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_57bis.htm (retired today)

    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_20380.htm
    Project 20380: 2100 tons => between 1500 and 5000 tons
    Project 20385: 2300 tons => between 1500 and 5000 tons
    Considered Corvettes, but of size of Frigates. Examples of smaller Frigates:
    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_22160.htm
    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_11661.htm

    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_20386.htm
    Project 20386: 3400 tons => between 1500 and 5000 tons
    Designed Corvette, but of size of Frigates. Example of smaller Frigate:
    Considered Corvettes, but of size of Frigates. Examples of smaller Frigates:
    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_22160.htm
    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_11661.htm
    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_1135.htm

    To note that in the previous links the data about ship construction of the different models are in agreement with the data posted in my previous message.
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    Post  George1 on Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:47 am

    Construction of warships of the ocean and far sea for the Russian Navy as of 01.01.2018

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    Post  eehnie on Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:14 am

    PREVIEW OF CHANGES IN THE COMBAT FLEET OF THE RUSSIAN NAVY 2018-2027

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t7032p50-state-armament-program-2018-2027#216049


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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:36 am

    Priboi (Mistralski) update:
    ..the ship is clearly intended for defence purposes to protect the extensive coastline along the Arctic Ocean, or in the Black Sea and along the chain of Kuril Islands. The ship is not designed to travel across oceans, and this is where the 6,000 mile range comes from.
    See more at http://www.pravdareport.com/russia/economics/01-02-2018/139906-russia_mistral-0/http://www.pravdareport.com/russia/economics/01-02-2018/139906-russia_mistral-0/
    From the horse's mouth:
    https://iz.ru/703082/konstantin-bogdanov/velikii-remont
    Modernization of 2 CGNs will still take less time than building 5–6 new FFGs or 10 corvettes, which won't have NP. The Leader class is still on paper but very far from becoming tangible. Time will tell!
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    Post  Guest on Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:00 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Priboi (Mistralski) update:
    ..the ship is clearly intended for defence purposes to protect the extensive coastline along the Arctic Ocean, or in the Black Sea and along the chain of Kuril Islands. The ship is not designed to travel across oceans, and this is where the 6,000 mile range comes from.
    See more at http://www.pravdareport.com/russia/economics/01-02-2018/139906-russia_mistral-0/http://www.pravdareport.com/russia/economics/01-02-2018/139906-russia_mistral-0/
    From the horse's mouth:
    https://iz.ru/703082/konstantin-bogdanov/velikii-remont
    Modernization of 2 CGNs will still take less time than building 5–6 new FFGs or 10 corvettes, which won't have NP. The Leader class is still on paper but very far from becoming tangible. Time will tell!

    Some people on this forum have proof that Leader is being built already, stop spreading anti-Russian propaganda please.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:00 am

    Militarov wrote:
    Tsavo Lion wrote:Priboi (Mistralski) update:
    ..the ship is clearly intended for defence purposes to protect the extensive coastline along the Arctic Ocean, or in the Black Sea and along the chain of Kuril Islands. The ship is not designed to travel across oceans, and this is where the 6,000 mile range comes from.
    See more at http://www.pravdareport.com/russia/economics/01-02-2018/139906-russia_mistral-0/http://www.pravdareport.com/russia/economics/01-02-2018/139906-russia_mistral-0/
    From the horse's mouth:
    https://iz.ru/703082/konstantin-bogdanov/velikii-remont
    Modernization of 2 CGNs will still take less time than building 5–6 new FFGs or 10 corvettes, which won't have NP. The Leader class is still on paper but very far from becoming tangible. Time will tell!

    Some people on this forum have proof that Leader is being built already, stop spreading anti-Russian propaganda please.

    "Now the deadline for laying the head "Leader" has been postponed already in 2025, which means that under the new State Program of 2018-2027, this issue will not receive significant funding. At one time there were even rumors that the "Leader" was simply deleted from the painting of GPV-2027, but then it was decided to allocate "some money to support the project."

    This is nothing new, I already knew all of this.

    Still poor Enhiee the guy must be in the fetal position right now. If only I had it in me to feel an ounce of pity.


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:17 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    "Now the deadline for laying the head "Leader" has been postponed already in 2025, which means that under the new State Program of 2018-2027, this issue will not receive significant funding. At one time there were even rumors that the "Leader" was simply deleted from the painting of GPV-2027, but then it was decided to allocate "some money to support the project."

    This is nothing new, I already knew all of this.

    Still poor Enhiee the guy must be int he fiddle position right now. If only I had it in me to feel an ounce of pity.


    Well IMHO this is just logical : first access denial - via MRKs or subs + later  aviation (new GUZR + Kh50) ,then thinking about representing Russian flag on far and away oceans. Helicopter carriers IMHO will mostly have ASW function long  Northern Route.
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    Post  eehnie on Fri Feb 02, 2018 7:11 pm

    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_23560.htm

    This database includes not projects of ships that reached not the construction phase. As example you will not find still in the database the Project 23000, the Project Priboi, the Project Lavina, the Project Kalina, the project Husky, the Project 22500,...

    After looking about every project, I found no-one case in the database where they say a project reached the prodction phase, but is not right. My experience is that their work is right in overall terms and I found not a mistake of the importance of whicht you are accusing them of. For me the source is reliable in overall terms, unlike your word. And is one of the bests, if not the best.

    If you want to dispute the source, you can try to find in the database one case more where the database says that a project reached the production phase but is not true.



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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:35 pm

    Any project can exist on paper/computer file or in the heads of interest groups/designers for many years before they materialize or, in many cases, cancelled/curtailed. That's what happened to US Seawolf SSN (only 3 built) & Enterprise class CVN (only 1 built):
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seawolf-class_submarine
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(CVN-65)
    The list is very long:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Cancelled_ships_of_the_United_States_Navy
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Abandoned_military_projects_of_the_United_States

    The USSR had many cancelled project as well:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Abandoned_military_aircraft_projects_of_the_Soviet_Union
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovetsky_Soyuz-class_battleship
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_1153_Orel
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_aircraft_carrier_Ulyanovsk

    If it makes u feel good about those projects we r discussing, hold ur breath & pray they r not cancelled before u grow old!
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    Post  Guest on Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:03 am

    eehnie wrote:http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_23560.htm

    This database includes not projects of ships that reached not the construction phase. As example you will not find still in the database the Project 23000, the Project Priboi, the Project Lavina, the Project Kalina, the project Husky, the Project 22500,...

    After looking about every project, I found no-one case in the database where they say a project reached the prodction phase, but is not right. My experience is that their work is right in overall terms and I found not a mistake of the importance of whicht you are accusing them of. For me the source is reliable in overall terms, unlike your word. And is one of the bests, if not the best.

    If you want to dispute the source, you can try to find in the database one case more where the database says that a project reached the production phase but is not true.

    Drop dead.
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    Post  George1 on Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:16 am

    The ship's composition of the Russian Navy (combat ships of 1-2 rank, NK - from 2,000 tons full) on 01-02.02.2018

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    https://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/182204.html
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Feb 23, 2018 1:57 am

    Some1 wrote that "the Baltic & Black Seas r lagoons" & therefore won't need big fleets. I don't agree. They both support deployments to the Med. Sea & occasionally to the Indian Ocean.
    http://www.businessinsider.com/russias-baltic-fleet-will-get-new-missile-corvette-and-bombers-2017-5
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-defence-baltic-sweden/russia-beefs-up-baltic-fleet-amid-nato-tensions-reports-idUSKCN12Q1HB
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_Fleet#Additions_of_ships_to_the_Fleet

    Between the 2 seas, the internal waterways r not deep for most of them & that's why 5 SSKs so far went around Europe to its new base in the BSF: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91-261_%C2%AB%D0%9D%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%C2%BB#%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B1%D0%B0
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Deep_Water_System_of_European_Russia
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91-237_%C2%AB%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2-%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0%94%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%83%C2%BB#%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B1%D0%B0
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91-262_%C2%AB%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%9E%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB%C2%BB#%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B1%D0%B0
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91-265_%C2%AB%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B0%D1%80%C2%BB#%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B1%D0%B0
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91-268_%C2%AB%D0%92%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%9D%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%C2%BB#%D0%98%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D1%81%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B1%D1%8B

    The Belomorkanal is also too small for the NF to reinforce the Baltic Fleet w/o going around Scandinavia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Sea%E2%80%93Baltic_Canal

    So, they both need bigger fleets for sustainability & flexibility; otherwise, the N. & Pac. Fleets will have to plug the gaps in the Med.& Red Seas & the Indian Ocean, like the CG Varyag did off Syria!

    https://pulaski.pl/en/russian-anti-access-area-denial-a2ad-capabilities-implications-for-nato/
    Rebuttal: http://nvo.ng.ru/concepts/2018-.02-22/1_985_west.html?print=Y
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    Post  Kimppis on Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:07 pm

    Tsavo Lion, you link a lot of Western MSM BS about Russia and China for some reason, but this one is really good:

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Rebuttal: http://nvo.ng.ru/concepts/2018-.02-22/1_985_west.html?print=Y

    Terms like A2/AD and hybrid warfare are indeed basically meaningless and "pseudo-scientific" concepts that are pure propaganda, "Gerasimov Doctrine" doesn't actually exist, etc. The author is on point. Although funnily enough he also criticizes the Color Revolution concept, which is very popular among Russophiles/anti-Americans: "At the same time, the followers of this concept, as a rule, diligently ignore the fact that no external influence will lead to a revolution if there are no internal prerequisites for it."

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:29 pm

    He could also mention "private security companies" & Russian ChVK, i.e. mercenaries-dozens reportedly died earlier E. Ukraine & in Syria recently: https://www.google.com/search?q=mercenaries&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjmoYb5n8TZAhVH4mMKHdxpA5sQ_AUICygC&biw=819&bih=510

    It's also ancient practice- the hired Greeks fought for Egypt & Persia, Celts for Greeks, the Swiss & Germans for other Europeans, the others for S. Africa, & in Asia & elsewhere:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercenary#Private_military_and_security_companies
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:45 am

    India to buy four upgraded Krivak III frigates for $3B
    http://www.janes.com/article/78204/india-to-buy-four-upgraded-krivak-iii-frigates-for-usd3-billion

    I'm sure they plan, as before, to build some more of their own as well!-
    On 12 October 2010, it was announced that the Yantar Yard at Kaliningrad on the Baltic Sea had won a contract to construct three new warships for the Russian Navy. The construction of the frigates for the Russian Navy will be carried out in parallel with the construction of the same-type frigates for the Indian Navy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krivak-class_frigate

    Project 11356P/M (Admiral Grigorovich)
    Six frigates of the Admiral Grigorovich-class were ordered [3 delivered] for the Black Sea Fleet to be built by the Yantar Yard in Kaliningrad which is also building the Talwar-class for the Indian Navy. [6 delivered, 10 planned: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talwar-class_frigate]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krivak-class_frigate#Project_11356P/M_(Admiral_Grigorovich)

    Will any more of them be need in the RuN after the remaining 3 r delivered to the BSF?
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:22 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:He could also mention "private security companies" & Russian ChVK, i.e. mercenaries-dozens reportedly died earlier E. Ukraine & in Syria recently: https://www.google.com/search?q=mercenaries&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjmoYb5n8TZAhVH4mMKHdxpA5sQ_AUICygC&biw=819&bih=510

    It's also ancient practice- the hired Greeks fought for Egypt & Persia, Celts for Greeks, the Swiss & Germans for other Europeans, the others for S. Africa, & in Asia & elsewhere:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercenary#Private_military_and_security_companies

    Please this shit is form France24, Business insider and Ukro-reich ! especially "died in Ukraine" . But never any proofs presented... BTW Academia has security guards or contractors never mercenaries. Interesting isnt it?
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    Post  eehnie on Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:15 pm

    Pictures of the foreign ships updated:


    Dry-cargo ships purchased for the operation in Syria: 1985 Dvinitsa-50 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/54458/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 236442 January 20, 2018

    Dry-cargo ships purchased for the operation in Syria: 1985 Vologda-50 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/54485/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 236537 January 20, 2018 (black ship)

    Dry-cargo ships purchased for the operation in Syria: 1996 Kyzyl-60 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/55363/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 237369 February 20, 2018

    Dry-cargo ships purchased for the operation in Syria: 1987 Kazan-60 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/16128/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 236432 February 7, 2018



    Type Dora: 1941 Istra http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/6223/ (Captured to Germany in WWII)
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 226228 October 12, 2017



    Type PPEK-30: 19?? PK-16030 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/10295/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 58005 March 25, 2013

    Type PPEK-30: 1959 PK-103130 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/40785/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 197664 January 20, 2017



    Type Dubna: 1974 Dubna http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/68854/ http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:930618/mmsi:-7347471/imo:7347471/vessel:DUBNA
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 218848 July 28, 2017

    Type Dubna: 1975 Irkut http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/26060/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 231320 December 20, 2017

    Type Dubna: 1979 Pechenga http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/6375/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 235950 February 9, 2018



    Type Paltus: 1980 PK-1150 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/45784/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 111669 November 27, 2014



    Project REF-675: 1982 Kama http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/12009/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 163692 May 13, 2016 (black ship in the center)

    Project REF-675: 1982 Vyazma http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/42747/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 145429 October 23, 2015



    Project D-9030: 1976 PK-119025 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/4926/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 254966 July 20, 3018



    Project D-9021: 198? PK-33016 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/34964/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 253996 June 10, 2018 (floating crane after the ship)



    Project SK620: 1978 Belomorets http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/6308/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 208655 June 1, 2017

    Project SK620: 1980 PSK-405 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/10392/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 245494 April 29, 2018

    Project SK620: 19?? PSK-2017 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/34799/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 64880 November 13, 2011

    Project SK620: 19?? PSK-1304 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/44610/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 217426 July 30, 2017

    Project SK620: 1983 EK-1412 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/42817/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 226982 July 27, 2017

    Project SK620: 1985 PSK-1562 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/56311/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 252160 July 6, 2018

    Project SK620: 19?? PSK-1556 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/60223/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 161379 April 23, 2016

    Project SK620: 19?? PSK-302 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/73679/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 217427 July 30, 2017



    Project REF-100: 1985 GS-525 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/41469/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 224070 October 4, 2017

    Project REF-100: 1985 GS-526 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/46939/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 122492 April 4, 2015



    Project N3291: 1988 RB-346 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/1398/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 251391 July 6, 2018

    Project N3291: 1988 RB-347 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/2053/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 2692 June 16, 2018

    Project N3291: 1988 RB-348 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/1631/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 242115 April 27, 2018



    Project R-5757: 1989 Nikolay Chiker http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/29166/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 145724 September 18, 2015

    Project R-5757: 1989 Fotiy Krylov http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/39062/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 160108 March 17, 2016



    Project UK-3: 1982  UK-115 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/10829/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 135900 July 26, 2015

    Project UK-3: 19??  UK-162 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/10827/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 118976 March 5, 2015

    Project UK-3: 1983  UK-712 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/6464/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 12765 June 6, 2010 (ship 229)

    Project UK-3: 1990  UK-164 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/38120/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 82644 October 18, 2013 (ship 164)

    Project UK-3: 19??  UK-288 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/38121/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 82644 October 18, 2013 (ship 288)



    Project V92: 1983 Evgenij Gorigledzhan http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/59302/ (Modified in 2016 to a Project 02670 ship)
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 F_c2RlbGFub3VuYXMucnUvaS9hL3cvMS9mX2FXMW5MV1p2ZEd0cExubGhibVJsZUM1eWRTOW5aWFF2TmpVMk5qRXZNalk1TmpnME16TXpMak0wTHpCZk1UWTVNR1ptWHpJeFlUaGlZekptWDI5eWFXY3VhbkJuUDE5ZmFXUTlOelEwTXprPS5qcGVnP19faWQ9NzU1MTQ= 2016 or 2017

    Project V92: 1990 Kalar http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/24461/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 231313 December 20, 2017



    Project D-9040 V-02: 1989 PK-128035 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/47028/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 164853 May 10, 2016



    Project V-820: 19?? RB-33 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/26210/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 217743 June 22, 2017



    Type IC16MII: 2011 P-834 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/42778/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 244728 May 25, 2018

    Type IC16MII: 2011 P-835 http://fleetphoto.ru/ship/42785/
    Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update - Page 8 242410 April 17, 2018


    To note that the ships of the Project UK-3 are the ships with oldest pictures, which is not a good sign.


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    Post  George1 on Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:48 am

    Construction of warships of the ocean and far sea for the Russian Navy as of 01.03.2018

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