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    Post  eehnie on Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:30 pm

    George1 wrote:
    eehnie wrote:The status of the ships of the Project UK-3 is the most difficult to follow in this group.

    If someone knows something, it would be interesting to read.

    these are training boats. All these ships are auxilliary vessels that already are being replaced by new Russian projects

    a page with some info is this:
    http://russianships.info/eng/support/project_uk3.htm

    Yes it is a good source. In the post of the begin of this topic I used a combination of these 3 sources for the ship:

    http://russianships.info/eng/support/project_uk3.htm
    http://fleetphoto.ru/projects/1197/
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B9_%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE-%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE_%D1%84%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B0_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%A4%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B8

    I included the common part, but there are differences between the 3 sources.
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    Post  Nasr Hosein on Sat Sep 30, 2017 3:03 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:.
    Capital ships are completely redundant at this point in time. Later yes but not now.

    Now they need three things: missile ships, corvettes and frigates. That's it.

    Three shipyards per one class. Problem solved.

    Anything bigger right now is a waste of time, money, man-hours, and production capacities.

    I disagree, the Super-Gorshkov would also be a good investment.
    Unless you mean the SG when you mentioned "missile ships".

    I have a question, if there are plans for a "Super Gorshkov", then would this ship be classified as a Frigate or Destroyer? Whatever the case, would the advent of a "Super Gorshkov" mean that there wouldn't be any Lider Class Destroyers? Because as far as I am aware, the design for Lider Class Destroyers have been approved and all related tasks will commence in the coming time. Also, when there is a "Super Gorshkov", would that mean that the Admiral Groshkov Class Frigates  (current ones), be discontinued by the time the sixth frigate has been built and handed over for trials before commissioning?
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:40 pm

    Nasr Hosein wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:.
    Capital ships are completely redundant at this point in time. Later yes but not now.

    Now they need three things: missile ships, corvettes and frigates. That's it.

    Three shipyards per one class. Problem solved.

    Anything bigger right now is a waste of time, money, man-hours, and production capacities.

    I disagree, the Super-Gorshkov would also be a good investment.
    Unless you mean the SG when you mentioned "missile ships".

    I have a question, if there are plans for a "Super Gorshkov", then would this ship be classified as a Frigate or Destroyer? Whatever the case, would the advent of a "Super Gorshkov" mean that there wouldn't be any Lider Class Destroyers? Because as far as I am aware, the design for Lider Class Destroyers have been approved and all related tasks will commence in the coming time. Also, when there is a "Super Gorshkov", would that mean that the Admiral Groshkov Class Frigates  (current ones), be discontinued by the time the sixth frigate has been built and handed over for trials before commissioning?

    Definitely a Destroyer at this point.
    Think of it as a cheaper Lider in a sense, the Lider is more a capital ship with all the bells and whistles, while the SG is more a guided missile ship.
    Unlikely, even if the SG becomes a reality, the Russian navy trying to get the best bang for there buck will still most likely focus on Frigates, besides they still have a crippling need for new Frigates.
    Then again, who knows, they might focus on an upgraded Grigorovich-class instead.
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    Post  T-47 on Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:24 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Definitely a Destroyer at this point.
    Think of it as a cheaper Lider in a sense, the Lider is more a capital ship with all the bells and whistles, while the SG is more a guided missile ship.
    Unlikely, even if the SG becomes a reality, the Russian navy trying to get the best bang for there buck will still most likely focus on Frigates, besides they still have a crippling need for new Frigates.
    Then again, who knows, they might focus on an upgraded Grigorovich-class instead.

    Super Gorshokov is just extended version of Gorshkov, so if they managed to smooth Gorshkov production. SG will come out just fine, it only needs a bigger yard to build.
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    Post  Nasr Hosein on Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:03 am

    T-47 wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Definitely a Destroyer at this point.
    Think of it as a cheaper Lider in a sense, the Lider is more a capital ship with all the bells and whistles, while the SG is more a guided missile ship.
    Unlikely, even if the SG becomes a reality, the Russian navy trying to get the best bang for there buck will still most likely focus on Frigates, besides they still have a crippling need for new Frigates.
    Then again, who knows, they might focus on an upgraded Grigorovich-class instead.

    Super Gorshokov is just extended version of Gorshkov, so if they managed to smooth Gorshkov production. SG will come out just fine, it only needs a bigger yard to build.

    Speaking of "bigger yards", I have searched (unsuccessfully) for information regarding any intent or plans by Russia to expand its shipbuilding industry to facilitate building large combat ships like Destroyers, Aircraft Carriers and Cruisers. Are there such plans in the foreseeable future?
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:14 am

    Nasr Hosein wrote:
    T-47 wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Definitely a Destroyer at this point.
    Think of it as a cheaper Lider in a sense, the Lider is more a capital ship with all the bells and whistles, while the SG is more a guided missile ship.
    Unlikely, even if the SG becomes a reality, the Russian navy trying to get the best bang for there buck will still most likely focus on Frigates, besides they still have a crippling need for new Frigates.
    Then again, who knows, they might focus on an upgraded Grigorovich-class instead.

    Super Gorshokov is just extended version of Gorshkov, so if they managed to smooth Gorshkov production. SG will come out just fine, it only needs a bigger yard to build.

    Speaking of "bigger yards", I have searched (unsuccessfully) for information regarding any intent or plans by Russia to expand its shipbuilding industry to facilitate building large combat ships like Destroyers, Aircraft Carriers and Cruisers. Are there such plans in the foreseeable future?

    The Russian MoD has already made there intentions clear for the creation of Carriers, project Lavina proves this.
    That said, as usual planning and implementation has been schizophrenic to say the least.
    Overall, looking at the situation, Corvettes have been going well, Frigates are being resolved, destroyers are in planning and so are Carriers.
    As for Cruisers, i don't think so, the Lider and SG would probably be more than enough.
    The big question is, whether the Russians are interested in Cruise Missile Submarines (SLCMs), i can easily see a Borei-class variant for that.
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:16 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Overall, looking at the situation, Corvettes have been going well, Frigates are being resolved, destroyers are in planning and so are Carriers.
    As for Cruisers, i don't think so, the Lider and SG would probably be more than enough.

    Personally, I think the traditional Western classification of Corvette/Frigate/Destroyer/Cruiser is so archaic as to be useless.  Lider @ 17,500T (?) is being touted as a "Destroyer", yet the old Kara Class "Cruisers" were only 9,700 full load.  I much prefer the old Soviet style of functional designations like Small/Large Anti-Submarine Ship,  Rocket Cruisers, Heavy Nuclear-Powered Guided Missile Cruiser, or Heavy Aviation Cruiser.  

    While on this subject, do the Russians still use officially use such a designation system, or have they "conformed" to the banal western practice?
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    Post  flamming_python on Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:48 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Overall, looking at the situation, Corvettes have been going well, Frigates are being resolved, destroyers are in planning and so are Carriers.
    As for Cruisers, i don't think so, the Lider and SG would probably be more than enough.

    Personally, I think the traditional Western classification of Corvette/Frigate/Destroyer/Cruiser is so archaic as to be useless.  Lider @ 17,500T (?) is being touted as a "Destroyer", yet the old Kara Class "Cruisers" were only 9,700 full load.  I much prefer the old Soviet style of functional designations like Small/Large Anti-Submarine Ship,  Rocket Cruisers, Heavy Nuclear-Powered Guided Missile Cruiser, or Heavy Aviation Cruiser.  

    While on this subject, do the Russians still use officially use such a designation system, or have they "conformed" to the banal western practice?

    Yes they mostly still use the Soviet designation system. There have been some changes

    Buyan is a MAK (small artillery ship)
    Buyan-M is a MRK (small missile ship)
    Stereguschyj is a Malyj SKR (small patrol vessel)
    Lider is an Eskadrennyj minonosets (destroyer; or literally 'squadron torpedo-layer' which is the historical Russian name and use for these ships dating back to the turn of the 20th century.. still used, and during the Soviet period too).

    On the other hand Gorshkov and Grigorovich class vessels are of type fregat (frigate). In Soviet times you didn't have this term and they would have been given a more functional designation such as small anti-submarine ship or patrol vessel. However times and technologies have changed and this new definition has been introduced; and it makes more sense because ships of this size or larger (and some smaller ones) are these days fully multirole and can be used for air-defence coverage, for anti-sub duties, for missile strikes against both land and sea targets, for anti-piracy patrols, etc...
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    Post  T-47 on Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:32 pm

    Nasr Hosein wrote:
    Speaking of "bigger yards", I have searched (unsuccessfully) for information regarding any intent or plans by Russia to expand its shipbuilding industry to facilitate building large combat ships like Destroyers, Aircraft Carriers and Cruisers. Are there such plans in the foreseeable future?

    No offense but you need to increase your googling skill. Giving you a head start, type "Zvezda shipyard" and read what Rogozin said about it.
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    Post  George1 on Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:15 am

    Construction of warships of the ocean and far sea for the Russian Navy as of 01.10.2017

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    https://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/171587.html


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    Post  George1 on Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:20 am

    Ship composition and construction of naval strategic nuclear forces of the Russian Navy as of 01.10.2017

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    The ship's composition of the Russian Navy (warships of 1-2 rank, NK - from 2,000 tons full) as of 01.10.2017

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    https://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/171793.html
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    Post  eehnie on Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:57 pm

    Commissions and Decommissions of Russian combat ships (Russian Navy plus some militarizable ship of the Russian Coast Guard)

    2016 Decommissions: Total = 3

    1 Project 877 Conventiona Submarine (commissioned 1984)
    1 Project 641B Conventional Submarine (commissioned 1982)
    1 Project 12421 Missile Boat (commissioned 2000, sale to Egypt)

    2016 Commissions: Total = 5

    2 Project 06363 Conventional Submarine
    2 Project 11356 Frigate
    1 Project 12700 Minesweeper

    2017 Decommisssions: Total = 2

    1 Project 12411 Missile Boat (commissioned 1987) ** previously reported as decommissioned in 2016
    1 Project 11351 Frigate (commissioned 1991, Russian Coast Guard)

    2017 Commissions: Total = 2

    1 Project 20380/20385 Frigate/Corvette
    1 Project 11356 Frigate

    Still there are early decommissions, but the amount of decommissions and commissions is reaching a situation of ballance. The process of reduction of the combat fleet seems being finnished.

    The early decommissions of combat ships should stop fast, they are a sign of Russia comming from a process of reduction of its combat fleet, but in overall terms are not a good business.

    After the process of selection and reduction of the combat ships done in the last decades, now Russia has a young combat fleet, with only a few old ships that need replacement in the short/mid-term, or in other words, under the State Armament Program 2018-2025.

    As consequence a slow rythm of production of new ships and replacement of the oldest ships is to be expected until 2025, with the main focus for Russia in the development of new projects that assure to Russia the hability of building modern ships of every type by then.


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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:43 pm

    https://iz.ru/657161/ilia-kramnik/roddom-dlia-dlinnoi-paluby:
    Russia has the yard (after modernization) to build LHA/LHD types, but will need to build CV sections (not before ~2025, just like the Yak-141 follow on) separately before joining them (like the HMS QE was) in a drydock that she doesn't have yet.
    1 Mistral type was destined for the Black Sea Fleet:
    http://www.ng.ru/armies/2017-11-15/100_171115_ship.html?print=Y

    Meanwhile,
    Breakthrough to power CATs on China’s 2nd home-built CV
    http://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2117947/breakthrough-power-most-advanced-jet-launch-system
    Using the same principle, Russia may also build CVs fitted with EMALs!


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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:32 pm

    The construction of ships equipped with cruise missiles will become a priority in the development of the Navy for the next decade. This was stated today, as reported by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov.
    "The main emphasis in the coming decade will be made on the construction of ships of 'near sea zone", equipped with precision weapons, including cruise missiles," Borisov said at a meeting with the leadership of the Navy and representatives of the United Shipbuilding Corporation. ..
    Borisov also stressed that the development will receive a strategic nuclear fleet, repair and modernization of the ships of "the far sea zone" (nuclear missile cruisers) Admiral Nakhimov and Peter the Great. http://www.ng.ru/news/601420.html?print=Y
    Nothing was said about the Lider class & CV/CVN types among other priorities. Economic situation is unsertain, so r the naval construction plans for those.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:06 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    The construction of ships equipped with cruise missiles will become a priority in the development of the Navy for the next decade. This was stated today, as reported by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov.
    "The main emphasis in the coming decade will be made on the construction of ships of 'near sea zone", equipped with precision weapons, including cruise missiles," Borisov said at a meeting with the leadership of the Navy and representatives of the United Shipbuilding Corporation. ..
    Borisov also stressed that the development will receive a strategic nuclear fleet, repair and modernization of the ships of "the far sea zone" (nuclear missile cruisers) Admiral Nakhimov and Peter the Great. http://www.ng.ru/news/601420.html?print=Y
    Nothing was said about the Lider class & CV/CVN types among other priorities. Economic situation is unsertain, so r the naval construction plans for those.

    Navy is the least important branch to Russia so that's to be expected
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    Post  George1 on Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:54 pm

    Construction of warships of the ocean and far sea for the Russian Navy as of 01.12.2017
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    https://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/176772.html#cutid1


    The ship's composition of the Russian Navy (warships of 1-2 rank, NK - from 2,000 tons full) as of 01.12.2017

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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:43 pm


    looks like Yantar might be taking a break from building warships and refocusing on building fishing trawlers. Honestly they could use a change of pace...

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/101239/#cut
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:13 pm

    The most massive ship in this segment will be a modernized frigate project 22350M, equipped with high-precision weapons, "said the commander-in-chief. A series of frigates of the base project 22350 has been built for more than ten years at Severnaya Verf in St. Petersburg. The head frigate Admiral Gorshkov was laid back in 2006. His transfer to the fleet was repeatedly postponed, but, according to the latest data, the ship will enter service by the end of this year.
    The ship is equipped with a universal missile system Caliber-NK with an ammunition of 32 Onyx or Caliber missiles with the possibility of engaging sea and coastal targets, the Polite-Redut anti-aircraft missile system, the Paket complex, one 130- mm artillery A-192, two missile and artillery systems of self-defense "Palash". The aviation armament consists of a Ka-27PL helicopter.
    The second and third frigate of the project - "Admiral Kasatonov" and "Admiral Golovko" - will be included in the Navy in 2018 and 2019 respectively.
    http://www.ng.ru/news/602670.html?print=Y
    No surprise here! How many more years before they'll have the #s to form a CBG?
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:35 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    The most massive ship in this segment will be a modernized frigate project 22350M, equipped with high-precision weapons, "said the commander-in-chief. A series of frigates of the base project 22350 has been built for more than ten years at Severnaya Verf in St. Petersburg. The head frigate Admiral Gorshkov was laid back in 2006. His transfer to the fleet was repeatedly postponed, but, according to the latest data, the ship will enter service by the end of this year.
    The ship is equipped with a universal missile system Caliber-NK with an ammunition of 32 Onyx or Caliber missiles with the possibility of engaging sea and coastal targets, the Polite-Redut anti-aircraft missile system, the Paket complex, one 130- mm artillery A-192, two missile and artillery systems of self-defense "Palash". The aviation armament consists of a Ka-27PL helicopter.
    The second and third frigate of the project - "Admiral Kasatonov" and "Admiral Golovko" - will be included in the Navy in 2018 and 2019 respectively.
    http://www.ng.ru/news/602670.html?print=Y
    No surprise here! How many more years before they'll have the #s to form a CBG?

    Last time Bondarev said that no earlier then STOVL either will be developed. I.e. by current procurement programme.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:32 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    The most massive ship in this segment will be a modernized frigate project 22350M, equipped with high-precision weapons, "said the commander-in-chief. A series of frigates of the base project 22350 has been built for more than ten years at Severnaya Verf in St. Petersburg. The head frigate Admiral Gorshkov was laid back in 2006. His transfer to the fleet was repeatedly postponed, but, according to the latest data, the ship will enter service by the end of this year.
    The ship is equipped with a universal missile system Caliber-NK with an ammunition of 32 Onyx or Caliber missiles with the possibility of engaging sea and coastal targets, the Polite-Redut anti-aircraft missile system, the Paket complex, one 130- mm artillery A-192, two missile and artillery systems of self-defense "Palash". The aviation armament consists of a Ka-27PL helicopter.
    The second and third frigate of the project - "Admiral Kasatonov" and "Admiral Golovko" - will be included in the Navy in 2018 and 2019 respectively.
    http://www.ng.ru/news/602670.html?print=Y
    No surprise here! How many more years before they'll have the #s to form a CBG?

    Last time Bondarev said that no earlier then STOVL either will be developed. I.e. by current procurement programme.
    As far as i read in other sources, project 22350 frigates should have only 16 universal launcher for onyx or caliber...
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:35 am

    As far as i read in other sources, project 22350 frigates should have only 16 universal launcher for onyx or caliber...

    It would need reasonable changes to warrant an M name change upgrade and considering the performance of Calibr I would think increasing the number of UKSK launchers from 2 to 4 would make sense.
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    Post  eehnie on Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:02 pm

    Update of the combat ships under construction by the begin of 2018 (ordered before the begin of the rule of the State Armament Program 2018-2025).

    The following list includes all the combat ships under production, no matter the timeline. Some of the ships maybe for export, but the buyer is not clear still. The list includes not reparations. The list includes not auxiliary ships for the Russian Navy, and between them, includes not low armed patrol ships.

    By generic role:

    48 - Warships:
    1 - Project 11540 Frigate (2 more not-completed)
    3 - Project 11356 Frigate
    1 - Project 11660/11661 Frigate (1 more not-completed)
    9 - Project 20380/20385 Frigate/Corvette
    6 - Project 21631 Corvette (1 more not completed)
    6 - Project 22350 Destroyer/Frigate
    11 - Project 22800 Corvette
    6 - Project 22160 Frigate
    2 - Project 20386 Frigate/Corvette
    2 - Project 23550 Destroyer/Frigate
    1 - Project 23560 Cruiser/Destroyer
    0 - Project 23000 Aircraft Carrier

    21 - Submarines:
    1 - Project 949/09852 Nuclear Submarine (5 more not-completed)
    6 - Project 636/06363/877/08773 Conventional Submarine (2 more not-completed)
    2 - Project 677 Conventional Submarine
    5 - Project 955 Nuclear Submarine
    6 - Project 885/08851 Nuclear Submarine
    1 - Project 09851 Nuclear Submarine

    9 - Amphibious:
    1 - Project 11770/11771 (Azov shipyard, Mariupol)
    6 - Project 21820
    2 - Project 11711

    17 - Minesweepers:
    3 - Project 1265 (1 more not-completed)
    6 - Project 10750
    1 - Project 12255 (1 more not-completed)
    7 - Project 12700

    7 - Missile Boats:
    6 - Project 12411/12417/12418/1241RE Missile Boat
    1 - Project 12300 Missile Boat

    102 - Ships under construction (13 more not-completed) Some maybe to export.



    The first unit of the Project 23560 Lider Crusier/Destroyer seems to be under construction. Named: Orlov-Chesmenskiy

    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_23560.htm

    To note that to have the first unit of the Project 23560 under construction at this point, means that this is a ship under construction under the State Armament Program 2011-2020. Likely thanks to the Mistral funds.

    As commented before, Russia is becoming ready to afford the high number of decommissions that should come after 2024 and more intensely after 2030. Until then the rythm of commissions and decommissions of combat ships is being low, as expected, as planned.

    I do not expect cancellations. It means economic loses. Even the ships with longer timeline under construction should be completed for the Russian Navy or to export, in order to avoid loses.

    Now, the minimum number of orders of new ships necessary for Russia to reach a capability of building every type of combat ship by the end of 2025, would be 1 unit of the Project 23000 Aircraft Carrier. In my opinion this is an important goal for Russia and will be assured. If the first unit of the Project 23000 begins also under the State Armament Program 2011-2020 it would not be necessary orders of big ships under the State Armament Program 2018-2025.


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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:13 pm

    Now pl. tell us what is ur definition of "under production".
    Clue: only something a person in the yard can touch, not read from some document.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:43 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Now pl. tell us what is ur definition of "under production".
    Clue: only something a person in the yard can touch, not read from some document.

    Ignore him the guy is delusional heck he has the Project 22350 listed has a DD. When that ship is not comparable to a DD

    To him under construction is apparently if some website says so, despite there being no source what so ever
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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:52 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:he has the Project 22350 listed has a DD. When that ship is not comparable to a DD

    The Russian Navy has it listed as a destroyer so are they wrong?

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