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    Re: Military Aviation Industry: News

    Post  George1 on Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:50 am

    Production of Mi-8 and Ansat helicopters at the Kazan Helicopter Plant

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    Post  George1 on Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:24 am

    Interview with the new general director of the Kazan Helicopter Plant

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    Post  George1 on Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:32 am

    Kazan Helicopter Plant part of Russian Helicopters. Photos were made in April 2018 by Slava Stepanov

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    Post  George1 on Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:55 pm

    Plans for modernization of Kazan Aviation Plant under PAK-DA program

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    Post  LMFS on Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:24 pm

    Good interview with Yuri Slyusar from UAC, this is probably the source of the latest news to Su-57, An-124 etc. Also good shots of a number of Russian planes and news on many projects.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8xBhwJC1b4

    If any Russian speaker could make some brief notes to things that have not been published it would be great, the automatic translator in Youtube looks like a bad joke No

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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:45 pm

    here is an article about what was said apparently:

    https://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=3051169&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

    The domestic aviation industry is undergoing big changes. In a year and a half, Russia will supply the market with the brand-new MC-21 medium-haul airliner — this is the main hope of our civil aviation. Meanwhile, the Russian Air Force has high hopes for the main military breakthrough — the Su-57 fifth-generation jet fighter. When will it go into service? What other kinds of aircraft should we expect?

    Yuri Slyusar, the head of the United Aircraft Corporation, spoke about this with our reporter Nailya Askerzade.

    The Su-57 jet fighter is in the sky over Zhukovsky. Fast, maneuverable, and completely invisible to foreign radar systems. A 300-meter-long runway is enough for it in order to take off.

    Nailya Askerzade, reporter: "Of course, many people dream of at least approaching the top-secret Su-57 fifth-generation jet fighter. We have a unique opportunity to look at it in detail. This "king of dogfighting" is so unique that we aren't allowed to film everything. The state-of-the-art target acquisition system allows target tracking at a considerable distance, the engine features greater thrust and fuel efficiency, and the smart cockpit advises the pilot how to operate.

    Taras Artsebarsky, test pilot: "In fact, having flown this plane, when I happen to fly the previous generation jet, I can't help noticing the imperfections, the things that are missing compared to the new one. The new jet features a powerful AI support system for the pilot; it performs a lot automatically and, overall, it allows the pilot to concentrate on the main combat tasks without any distractions".

    Taras Artsebarsky is a first-class test pilot. He is the son of cosmonaut Anatoly Artsebarsky, so he's been close to the sky since his childhood. He has already mastered more than 20 types of aircraft, so he has a big sample size for comparison.

    - Do you remember your first flight on this fighter?

    - Of course, I do. Pilots always remember such things; any sortie on a new type of aircraft is unforgettable and even more so if it is such a fighter jet.

    - What nickname did you and your colleagues give this aircraft?

    - We nicknamed it affectionately, kindly, by his index name — "Poltinnik" (fifty). And we're still calling it that because we're used to now.

    The West got intrigued by these aircraft after two such jets were transported to Syria in February.

    - When will the Ministry of Defense take charge of these planes?

    Yuri Slyusar, President of the United Aircraft Corporation: By the end of this summer. I think, at Patriot Park, we'll sign a contract with the Defense Ministry regarding the delivery of the first production batch. This is such a significant event for us. In total, we have planned to purchase around 12 jets so, next year, they will be supplied directly to the unit.

    The legendary Tu-95MS, a strategic bomber and missile carrier. NATO designation: Bear. Although it was introduced almost 50 years ago, after an intensive modernization program, it still performs its duties perfectly.

    Yuri Slyusar: "This will actually be a new aircraft in an old fuselage. There will be a completely new so-called "glass cabin," a new navigation complex, and the key is that the new engine, modernized with new screws, will allow for the carrying of twice as many missiles".

    Engine tests are carried out by using such a flying laboratory. Now, the engine for the new MS-21 passenger plane is being tested. The liner itself is gradually mastering the sky.

    Yuri Slyusar: "The plane's characteristics have met all expectations: it has reached a height of 12,000 meters (~40,000 feet) and reached a speed of 966 km/hr (~600 mi/hr). The next step involves flight stability and controllability tests".

    A new hangar was built in Zhukovsky specifically for the MS-21. The lodging is immaculate. The development of the airliner requires that both production and testing be carried out under ideal conditions.

    - Do you think that someday high ranking officials will start using the MS-21?

    Yuri Slyusar: Oh, we're counting on it.
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    Post  LMFS on Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:38 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:here is an article about what was said apparently:

    https://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=3051169&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

    Yes, it is the same interview thumbsup
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    Post  eehnie on Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:09 am

    miketheterrible wrote:here is an article about what was said apparently:

    https://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=3051169&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

    Ohhhhhh the article contains a couple of very very interesting details.

    This one is the first, amazing:

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t7631p25-future-russian-aircraft-carriers-3#232278

    And the second, also about the Su-57, is here:

    - When will the Ministry of Defense take charge of these planes?

    Yuri Slyusar, President of the United Aircraft Corporation: By the end of this summer. I think, at Patriot Park, we'll sign a contract with the Defense Ministry regarding the delivery of the first production batch. This is such a significant event for us. In total, we have planned to purchase around 12 jets so, next year, they will be supplied directly to the unit.

    Also, very, very, very interesting.

    If the 12 are delivered in 2019, the Su-57-PAK-FA trolls would also end crying by the corners.

    Well, In fact, the trolls are the same in both cases.
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    Post  LMFS on Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:21 pm

    Very complete interview to Yuri Slyusar from UAC, recommendable:

    http://www.interfax.ru/interview/626416
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    Post  AMCXXL on Sat Aug 25, 2018 9:00 am

    LMFS wrote:Very complete interview to Yuri Slyusar from UAC, recommendable:

    http://www.interfax.ru/interview/626416

    Nothing new, this is just an executive and his task is to sell, like a second hand car salesman in a dealership
    The words of this type guys have a value of exactly zero  
    10-12 years ago said: we expect +200 MiG-35 , later, 170 , in 2015 , 37 for a regiment, and so pn
    He only expresses expresses his wettest wishes no tangible information. If he get contracts, gains its sales commission

    Also the article have several interpretation mistakes
    The relevant answer is, of course:
    Previously, it was said about plans to replace the entire fleet of light fighters with MiG-35 - such plans are still being preserved?

    - On this topic, rather, it is necessary to talk with colleagues from the Main Command (VKS) - this is their area of responsibility. We proceed from the parameters that are included in the GPV.
    This means what everyone knows less the journalist who asks: the MiG-29 has been already replaced from combat units of VVS.
    And it also means that the executive does not know anything and if he knows it he is silent so as not to be fired for incompetent.

    Another obvious point:
    It was stated that the mass production of the Su-57 is not planned, apparently, it will be limited to a small batch. Is it because of its high cost?

    - In my opinion, the best answer was given to the contract signed with the Ministry of Defense on the eve of the meeting. But, of course, the Su-57 has fundamentally different capabilities. This requires a smooth transition from fourth-generation aircraft to the fifth.
    Now we are at the stage of replacement of previous generation aircraft with Su-35, MiG-35  Laughing , Su-30SM, Su-34.
    At the next stage they will be replaced more and more by the fifth generation aircraft.
    To violate this sequence by mass deliveries of a fifth-generation aircraft at once is probably not entirely correct. In our opinion, the issue here is not so much financial how to ensure that a smooth transition here.


    About MiG-31´s
    In March, the Russian president announced that the MiG-31 fighters were the first carriers of hypersonic weapons - the Dagger missile, this new modification of the MiG-31K became the real highlight of the program on the parade on May 9....
    How many fighters are planned to equip the Daggers?
    - We are ready to provide the Ministry of Defense with aircraft in the required quantity.

    And when will the work on modernization of the fleet of interceptor fighters be completed in the image of the MiG-31BM?
    -Two existing modernization contracts, as planned, will be completed this year. Further there will be next series
    We expect that in the coming years the VKS will get a few dozen upgraded MiG-31BMs, (!!!!!!!)  so by 2023 the entire existing park will be modernized.[/b]

    Of course, as we know , the modernization is close to end, simply because all esquadrons except Yelizovo are already equipped with MiG-31BM
    However, the remaining DZ cannot be modernized to BM because have not the radar of BM version , pherpaps he talk about the MiG 31K

    Of course a few dozens of MiG-31DZ (with refueling probe) can be upgraded to MiG-31K
    It Could be attahed to the Navy in Monchegorsk and Yelizovo for naval strike against carriers
    Also one regiment could be formed with the Strategic Forces (DA) and based in the base of Soltsy , former base if Tu-22M
    The number in service before the modernization was about 40, perhaps enouugh for 3 or even 4 squadrons if remain enough in the reserve


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    Post  Isos on Sat Aug 25, 2018 10:27 am

    Another obvious point:

    Now we are at the stage of replacement of previous generation aircraft with Su-35, MiG-35  Laughing , Su-30SM, Su-34.

    He is not wrong. All the other airforces around russia have still only 4th gen fighter and they are still buying them like rafale or f-16 for many countries. French haven't still bought all the rafale they wanted.

    Su-35 is enough. F-35 can be defeated by su-35.

    Su-57 is the only 5th generation fighter produced recently with piggy f-35 that lacks supercruise, supermanoeuvrability and has to take weapon outside because it hasn't enough space inside. F-22 is only for usa so no wirry about it.

    Su-57 came somehow too early.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Aug 25, 2018 6:43 pm

    LMFS wrote:Very complete interview to Yuri Slyusar from UAC, recommendable:

    http://www.interfax.ru/interview/626416






    - Are there any plans to create a deck version of the Su-57? Or a fundamentally new fighter, a vertical takeoff aircraft for a prospective Russian aircraft carrier?

    - We have some experience on the plane of vertical take-off and landing - both from Soviet times and recently. Work on shipborne options continues. It is necessary from the military to get a clear mission, which we will carry out.

    affraid affraid affraid






    - The life cycle of the MiG-31 is nearing completion, in the next 10 years it will be replaced by a new interceptor MiG-41, the same PAK DP. At what stage of implementation is this project?

    - We are at the stage of research work. She will answer all questions - what kind of machine is needed, what is the concept of its combat use, what characteristics it should possess, what tasks to solve, what kind of scientific and technical reserve we have to provide answers to these challenges. This is a job for several years.

    - Will there be a new glider?

    - We are working on a new concept, yes. And when we create this aviation complex, we plan to use new technologies and materials.

    - Are there plans to expand the characteristics of speed, range, the possibility of working in space?

    - Everything will depend on the tasks. They will say in space to fly - we'll fly into space.

    - If we start from an optimistic version, when this machine may appear?

    - This should be logically synchronized with the completion of the planned MiG-31 resource. By this time it will be necessary to develop a new machine - that is, we are talking about the turn of the year 2030.



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    Post  LMFS on Sun Aug 26, 2018 12:02 am

    @Gunship:

    you see, I post news irrespective if they fit my opinions or not Very Happy

    Regarding the STVOL, logical, they have lots of ideas and concepts tested in wind tunnel since long ago. Probably they came to promising designs that they would like to see implemented. Sadly no mention to navalization of Su-57 though, he left me with that doubt!

    Regarding the MiG-31, they are already correcting the development cycle stated previously. Remember they were talking about availability for 2025 and at the same time, all those undefined, sci-fi-like capabilities. If you look at the development of any plane (last one is PAK-FA), it took from ca. 2002 to 2010 to make first flight, and then to 2019 (if nothing changes) to order first serial units. So that makes 17 years development cycle, and 20-21 considering the engine. Those are the realistic numbers, the rest are just fantasies from a better world. Now imagine the development times for the MiG-41, once MoD doesn't even know what requirements and technologies are desired... And besides, the MiG-31s are getting updated now and can be further overhauled in the future for a fraction of the cost of developing new planes. US needs to make the jump to hypersonic, before Russia perceives new threat levels, and that will take time.

    So realistic best case scenario IMHO and in base of what we know (which is little):

    > Freeze of requirements in ca. 5 years
    > 5-8 years for first flight with new air vehicle
    > Development of new engines 15 years

    That puts you well beyond 2035 for serial units to be available, probably more, which is 10 years more than stated by MiG.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Aug 26, 2018 1:53 am

    LMFS wrote:@Gunship:

    > Freeze of requirements in ca. 5 years
    > 5-8 years for first flight with new air vehicle
    > Development of new engines 15 years

    That puts you well beyond 2035 for serial units to be available, probably more, which is 10 years more than stated by MiG.

    or again "maskirovka"? first Borisov says VSTOL , then they say no VSTOL after year yeah d Putin approved. 2017 Borisov - we work on orbital bomber, thenno Borisov talked shit. then MoD orders a hypersonic drone...

    Wait one more year and well se more news coming inthe wrst case they use MiG-35 as MiG-41 lol1 lol1 lol1
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    Post  LMFS on Sun Aug 26, 2018 3:20 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    or again "maskirovka"? first Borisov says VSTOL , then they say no VSTOL after year yeah d Putin approved.  2017 Borisov - we work on orbital bomber, thenno Borisov talked shit. then MoD orders a hypersonic drone...

    Wait one more year and well se more news coming inthe wrst case they use MiG-35 as MiG-41 lol1 lol1 lol1
    Or are they "maskirovsking" themselves? I'm starting to have my doubts  lol1 lol1

    For projects beyond 10 years and without established requirements it is good to be sceptic, priorities can change many times.
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    Post  Hole on Sun Aug 26, 2018 12:53 pm

    Keep in mind the grown capabilities of Russia. The first stage of the PAK-FA took so long because the country had a lot of other Problems to solve - civil and military.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Aug 26, 2018 1:49 pm

    Hole wrote:Keep in mind the grown capabilities of Russia. The first stage of the PAK-FA took so long because the country had a lot of other Problems to solve - civil and military.

    true + priorities change (orders' size)



    LMFS wrote:
    Or are they "maskirovsking" themselves? I'm starting to have my doubts  lol1 lol1

    For projects beyond 10 years and without established requirements it is good to be sceptic, priorities can change many times.

    modular avionics/radars - exist
    weaponry - exist
    engines -exist

    so 7-10 years max going to series where is problem here?
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    Post  eehnie on Sun Aug 26, 2018 2:09 pm

    AMCXXL wrote:
    LMFS wrote:Very complete interview to Yuri Slyusar from UAC, recommendable:

    http://www.interfax.ru/interview/626416

    Nothing new, this is just an executive and his task is to sell, like a second hand car salesman in a dealership
    The words of this type guys have a value of exactly zero  
    10-12 years ago said: we expect +200 MiG-35 , later, 170 , in 2015 , 37 for a regiment, and so pn
    He only expresses expresses his wettest wishes no tangible information. If he get contracts, gains its sales commission

    Also the article have several interpretation mistakes
    The relevant answer is, of course:
    Previously, it was said about plans to replace the entire fleet of light fighters with MiG-35 - such plans are still being preserved?

    - On this topic, rather, it is necessary to talk with colleagues from the Main Command (VKS) - this is their area of responsibility. We proceed from the parameters that are included in the GPV.
    This means what everyone knows less the journalist who asks: the MiG-29 has been already replaced from combat units of VVS.
    And it also means that the executive does not know anything and if he knows it he is silent so as not to be fired for incompetent.

    This is an unfortunate comment.

    First the respect standards toward Russian gouvernment officials should be raised in this forum. This is not acceptable.

    We saw here talking very much about big procurement plans of MiG-35, very recently, including you, but there is not need to fall the respect. The head of UAC is obviously a high level official. The chain of command between him and V Putin is fairly short, but he is not charged about deciding the size of the aircraft fleets of the Russian Armed Forces, and he is not in charge of deciding the amounts of aircrafts needed.

    In my view this quote is simply sending to the journalist to ask to the "colleagues from the Main Command (VKS). Only that. And is perfectly right. He must not answer this question.

    The rest of the quotes included not, neither would have too much to critizize. Maybe a more precise use of the term "previous generation" but nothing else.

    About the MiG-31, the replacement of the aircrafts of the older variants seems not be done exactly modernizing the aircrafts previously in active service. In some cases yes, in other cases different frames seems to be recovered. As consequence, depending of the variant of the frames recovered your comment can be wrong.
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    Post  eehnie on Sun Aug 26, 2018 2:23 pm

    LMFS wrote:Regarding the MiG-31, they are already correcting the development cycle stated previously. Remember they were talking about availability for 2025 and at the same time, all those undefined, sci-fi-like capabilities. If you look at the development of any plane (last one is PAK-FA), it took from ca. 2002 to 2010 to make first flight, and then to 2019 (if nothing changes) to order first serial units. So that makes 17 years development cycle, and 20-21 considering the engine. Those are the realistic numbers, the rest are just fantasies from a better world. Now imagine the development times for the MiG-41, once MoD doesn't even know what requirements and technologies are desired... And besides, the MiG-31s are getting updated now and can be further overhauled in the future for a fraction of the cost of developing new planes. US needs to make the jump to hypersonic, before Russia perceives new threat levels, and that will take time.

    So realistic best case scenario IMHO and in base of what we know (which is little):

    > Freeze of requirements in ca. 5 years
    > 5-8 years for first flight with new air vehicle
    > Development of new engines 15 years

    That puts you well beyond 2035 for serial units to be available, probably more, which is 10 years more than stated by MiG.

    The works on the MiG-41 are ongoing since  approximately 2010. This is the part that you are not including.

    The work fixing the requirements of the aircraft can be almost finished, or totally completed. Without this a preliminary design can not be presented, like they announced.

    The statements of MiG neither are to be judged too lightly.
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    Post  LMFS on Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:48 pm

    Hole wrote:Keep in mind the grown capabilities of Russia. The first stage of the PAK-FA took so long because the country had a lot of other Problems to solve - civil and military.

    Yes, the PAK-FA program had the task not only of developing a plane but to bring forward the whole aeronautics industry in Russia. I agree. But development of a completely new aircraft  is a multi-decade endeavour, this is easy to see from previous experiences.

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:modular avionics/radars - exist
    weaponry - exist
    engines -exist

    so 7-10 years max going to series where is problem here?

    The radar will be new, based on existing technology but new as a device and with highest requirements  BTW. So needs comprehensive testing. FCS needs to be developed and adjusted through iterative testing of the flight envelope intertwined with development of engines and air vehicle. Extended testing involving high altitude and high speed features add complexity to this phase. All EMC, stress, systems test complete from 0 to 100%.
    Weaponry exists, partially, but HW/SW compatibility and launch needs to be repeated, complete for the new platform. What happens to all those lasers and hypersonic missiles? ASAT weapons etc etc... this is a decade's work
    Engines do exist? Which ones?? For what requirement? Space flight? Mach 4?
     
    eehnie wrote:

    The works on the MiG-41 are ongoing since  approximately 2010. This is the part that you are not including.

    The work fixing the requirements of the aircraft can be almost finished, or totally completed. Without this a preliminary design can not be presented, like they announced.

    The statements of MiG neither are to be judged too lightly.

    Work on the 5G aircraft was ongoing since middle 80's in Soviet Union and after that in Russia. Requirements and a concrete program with funding and clear targets in terms of schedule and goals only in 2002, with a preliminary platform only in 2004 IIRC. MFI and other attempts did not succeed.

    They cannot present a preliminary design if they don't know whether they want space flight or not, for instance, and Slyusar still has not received a clear answer, if one is to judge by his statements in the interview.

    Regarding judging lightly MiG statements, this is exactly what I find disturbing: that guys in a high responsibility don't have the professionalism to shut up instead of talking BS. If MiG has a brand new interceptor called MiG-41 and not derived from MiG-31 ready for series in 2025 I promise to eat my words thumbsup
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Aug 26, 2018 8:00 pm

    LMFS wrote:

    Engines do exist? Which ones?? For what requirement? Space flight? Mach 4?



    yu want to make things easier ot harder? you build fighter around components you already have if you want to minimize time/costs. AL-41F / updated NK-32. AESA tech i already there. For all this integration work you get 7-10 years. We talk about VSTOL or MiG-41?





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    They cannot present a preliminary design if they don't know whether they want space flight or not, for instance, and Slyusar still has not received a clear answer, if one is to judge by his statements in the interview.

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    and Im sure he would tell you truth and now what he wanted to tell. Space technically can be 30km + so MiG-25 dynamically get to 37kms




    Regarding judging lightly MiG statements, this is exactly what I find disturbing: that guys in a high responsibility don't have the professionalism to shut up instead of talking BS. If MiG has a brand new interceptor called MiG-41 and not derived from MiG-31 ready for series in 2025 I promise to eat my words thumbsup

    Russian dnt behave like Westerners it doesn't mean they are no professional. It is way they communicate and IMHO it works forcing "analysts" to guess and making idiots of all National interests && co.

    It wont be ready before 2025 nobody said this?! who said this besides you? Will be between 2027 -2030 is more probable. So ~10 years.

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    Post  LMFS on Sun Aug 26, 2018 8:42 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    yu want to make things easier ot harder?  you build fighter around components you already have if you want to minimize time/costs.  AL-41F / updated NK-32. AESA tech i already there. For all this integration work you get 7-10 years. We talk about VSTOL or MiG-41?
    We were talking about MiG-41 here, unless I finally got lost Very Happy  
    No engine up for the task of Mach 4, not to talk of space flight and lasers.

    and Im sure he would tell you truth and now what he wanted to tell. Space technically can be 30km + so MiG-25 dynamically get to 37kms
    If the definition of space is elastic then ok, I can "dynamically" fly into the space too lol1 lol1

    Russian dnt behave like Westerners it doesn't mean they are no professional. It is way they communicate and IMHO it works forcing "analysts"  to guess and making idiots of all National interests && co.

    It wont be ready before 2025 nobody said this?! who said this besides you? Will be between 2027 -2030 is more probable.  So ~10 years.
    I find the Sukhoi guys are not doing these kind of things and they are every bit as Russian as the guys from MiG. The PAK-FA program for instance, which is a massively ambitious one, has shifted to the right some years but nothing beyond reasonable expectations. This is not comparable to being off by more than a decade... even before the program has started. This makes you look simply like an idiot


    Quotes:
    While the plane is still under development, it might go to into production by the mid-2020s, Tarasenko believes.

    “We’re shaping our technical offer, so that the customer would make a decision on the need to develop the plane. … According to our internal estimates, we should make it to the serial development in 2025,” Tarasenko told RT.

    https://www.rt.com/news/400687-russian-mig-interceptor-space/



    Meanwhile, MiG CEO Tarasenko said that the R&D and experimental design work on the cutting-edge Russian interceptor was planned to begin "in the immediate future" and its deliveries to the Russian Armed Forces were expected to start in the mid-2020s.



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    Post  eehnie on Sun Aug 26, 2018 10:03 pm

    LMFS wrote:
    eehnie wrote:The works on the MiG-41 are ongoing since  approximately 2010. This is the part that you are not including.

    The work fixing the requirements of the aircraft can be almost finished, or totally completed. Without this a preliminary design can not be presented, like they announced.

    The statements of MiG neither are to be judged too lightly.

    Work on the 5G aircraft was ongoing since middle 80's in Soviet Union and after that in Russia. Requirements and a concrete program with funding and clear targets in terms of schedule and goals only in 2002, with a preliminary platform only in 2004 IIRC. MFI and other attempts did not succeed.

    They cannot present a preliminary design if they don't know whether they want space flight or not, for instance, and Slyusar still has not received a clear answer, if one is to judge by his statements in the interview.

    Regarding judging lightly MiG statements, this is exactly what I find disturbing: that guys in a high responsibility don't have the professionalism to shut up instead of talking BS. If MiG has a brand new interceptor called MiG-41 and not derived from MiG-31 ready for series in 2025 I promise to eat my words thumbsup

    This aregument is not serious. If you want to go this way, the work on the replacement of the MiG-25/31 started in the 70s.

    Just better to read what the head of MiG said. And to pay attention.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:20 pm

    LMFS wrote:
    We were talking about MiG-41 here, unless I finally got lost Very Happy  
    No engine up for the task of Mach 4, not to talk of space flight and lasers.



    just wanted to make sure. As for engine we dont know as we didnt know about Avangard and Burevestnik right? lasers do nto exist in Russia or microwave emitters to fry electronics?!





    It wont be ready before 2025 nobody said this?! who said this besides you? Will be between 2027 -2030 is more probable.  So ~10 years.
    I find the Sukhoi guys are not doing these kind of things and they are every bit as Russian as the guys from MiG. The PAK-FA program for instance, which is a massively ambitious one, has shifted to the right some years but nothing beyond reasonable expectations. This is not comparable to being off by more than a decade... even before the program has started. This makes you look simply like an idiot


    not me personally but MiG guys? well you have right for your judgement, PAK FA was created in different conditions. Fog of war was not needed then as is now. Especially when Us spies network got silent suddenly (similarly with US agents in China) thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup




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    Post  LMFS on Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:28 pm

    eehnie wrote:
    This aregument is not serious. If you want to go this way, the work on the replacement of the MiG-25/31 started in the 70s.

    Just better to read what the head of MiG said. And to pay attention.
    What kind of work has been ongoing since 2010 for MiG-41 then? 8 years for what exactly? 

    I pay much attention to what high-level executives and officials say, that is the problem when they say things that (apparently) do not make sense. I was not there so have to rely in what has been disclosed, cannot know what the guy was thinking on. What part of these statements should I believe? (Tarasenko @ ARMY 2017):

    “[The development] is at the stage of finalizing the image of the plane. It will be a gradual transition from MiG-31 to PAK DA,”
    --> So the preliminary design is almost ready. It will be similar to MiG-31? Or is he meaning that MiG-31 will be substituted progressively?

    The plane, however, will not be just a modernization of MiG-31, it will be an entirely new machine, having “the ability to operate in space, new weapons, new speeds, new operational range,” Tarasenko told Zvezda TV channel on Tuesday.
    --> So their proposal will be similar to MiG-31 but above and beyond in terms of capabilities. Confirmed it will operate in space, faster and longer ranged than MiG-31

    “It will be an entirely new plane, where entirely new technologies to operate in the Arctic zone will be utilized. This plane will safeguard the whole border of our homeland. Later, the project will become unmanned,” TASS quoted Tarasenko as saying.  

    “We’re shaping our technical offer, so that the customer would make a decision on the need to develop the plane. … According to our internal estimates, we should make it to the serial development in 2025,” Tarasenko told RT.
    --> MiG is preparing a technical offer to MoD with which they can be ready for series by 2025. Does this proposal include engines that actually exist and can fly to space or Mach 4? Would really love to know those

    So, development has not even been approved by MoD, Bondarev said the R&D for the plane would not start before 2019 but we should believe it is going to be ready for commissioning in 2025, is that?

    From Slyusar @ARMY 2018

    - The life cycle of the MiG-31 was nearing completion in the next 10 years he will be replaced by the new fighter-interceptor MiG-41, it is the same PACK of DP. At what stage of implementation is the project?

    We are at the stage of research. She will answer all the questions – what the car needs, what is the concept of engagement, what characteristics it must have, what problems to solve which we have scientific and technical potential, allowing these challenges to provide answers. This is a job for a few years.
    --> So the preliminary design will still go on for some years, if I understand correctly. It thought it was almost ready by 2017...

    - There will be a new glider?
    - We are working on a new concept, Yes. And the creation of this aviation system plan to use new technologies and materials.
    - Have plans to increase performance in speed, range, ability to work in space?
    Everything will be from the tasks to depend on. I will say in space to fly and fly into space.
    --> Unclear what the plane will do, this will be the result of the preliminary design

    - Assuming optimistic scenario, when you may receive this machine?
    - It has to be logically synchronized with the completion of the scheduled resource of the MiG-31. By this time you will need a new car to develop – we are talking about the turn of 2030.
    --> Now we are gone to 2030. But still irrelevant, since they don't know what they will offer and much less what the MoD will say.

    As said, this is the beginning of the preliminary development for the plane. We don't know yet what the plane will do and much less when it will be commissioned.

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