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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:44 pm

    Looks like a scorched earth policy this time. Not expecting to come back.

    As the Syrian army is conducting a massive offensive against Daesh militants entrenched in Palmyra, the militants rushed to burn down gas processing facilities at a plant located in the vicinity of the ancient city.

    DAMASCUS (Sputnik) — Daesh militants have burned all gas processing facilities at a plant in the Hiyan oil field close to Syria's Palmyra, a Syrian military source told Sputnik on Thursday.

    "IS [Daesh] militants have burned the remaining parts of the Hiyan plant in the eastern Homs province which they blew up a month ago," the source said.

    The fire continues to rage in the southern part of the plant, the source added.

    The Syrian army is currently advancing to retake the ancient city of Palmyra back from Daesh. Operations started to the east of the Tiyas T4 airbase, where Syrian forces retreated after being pushed out of Palmyra in December. Several locations have been retaken over recent days.


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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Feb 03, 2017 1:22 am

    JohninMK wrote:Looks like a scorched earth policy this time. Not expecting to come back.

    As the Syrian army is conducting a massive offensive against Daesh militants entrenched in Palmyra, the militants rushed to burn down gas processing facilities at a plant located in the vicinity of the ancient city.

    DAMASCUS (Sputnik) — Daesh militants have burned all gas processing facilities at a plant in the Hiyan oil field close to Syria's Palmyra, a Syrian military source told Sputnik on Thursday.

    "IS [Daesh] militants have burned the remaining parts of the Hiyan plant in the eastern Homs province which they blew up a month ago," the source said.

    The fire continues to rage in the southern part of the plant, the source added.

    The Syrian army is currently advancing to retake the ancient city of Palmyra back from Daesh. Operations started to the east of the Tiyas T4 airbase, where Syrian forces retreated after being pushed out of Palmyra in December. Several locations have been retaken over recent days.


    https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201702021050294269-daesh-burns-gas-plant/

    Yes, I mentioned this weeks ago, that will etheir pull back to defend Raqqa or allow Raqqa to fall and move another place.

    They will mostly likely withdraw most of their forces to defend their de facto capital and apply more pressure to deir-azzor.

    Really retreating from Palamyria is the correct choice there is no tactical reason to hold onto it and lose thousands of men in the process
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    Post  calm on Fri Feb 03, 2017 2:14 pm

    Several #TSK armours taken out by #ISIS IEDs on Al-Bab front, massively used to slow down #EuphratesShield forces. wrote:
    The 2nd was operated by #FSA (Al-Bab military Council's flag,

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Feb 03, 2017 3:18 pm

    First is IED (ACV flipped by sheer pressure of explosion), second most probably AT-Mine (it has burnt front, thus penetration), Third looks like an IED as well.
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Fri Feb 03, 2017 7:12 pm

    Why the hell does both the SAA and the TSK allow ISIS to use VBIEDs successfuly? I saw an ISIS video where they rode a in the open for a km or so a turretless BMP1 hull full of explosives to a TSK position and it couldn't get destroyed. A fuckin BMP1 with 12.7 mm resistant armor only while they had tanks. The same for the SAA fuckup in Palmyra where they just used easily destroyabe cars.  Why is it that  they keep reaching their target. Is the SAA and TSK simply too retarded to shoot? This is especially dissapointing for the SAA because they regularly field 57mm and 23mm and 14,5 mm guns. All they need to do is to kill the exposed beardie driver of these things.
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    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Why the hell does both the SAA and the TSK allow ISIS to use VBIEDs successfuly? I saw an ISIS video where they rode a in the open for a km or so a turretless BMP1 hull full of explosives to a TSK position and it couldn't get destroyed. A fuckin BMP1 with 12.7 mm resistant armor only while they had tanks. The same for the SAA fuckup in Palmyra where they just used easily destroyabe cars.  Why is it that  they keep reaching their target. Is the SAA and TSK simply too retarded to shoot? This is especially dissapointing for the SAA because they regularly field 57mm and 23mm and 14,5 mm guns. All they need to do is to kill the exposed beardie driver of these things.

    Thing is, its not always that easy to do so. Gunners get scared, some shells-bullets do no significant damage upon hit or penetration, aganist popular belief its not that easy to light up explosive either... If answer was so easy as "shoot it" we would have no loses in war. Many VBIEDs get destroyed, some dont, thats how it is. On many parts of frontline they never saw 57/23mm guns, there are not so many of them around actually as you would imagine, you can see on videos that on many places they have recoiless rifles and mortars at best, rest of people are armed with small arms, so something like BMP-1 is big chunk for them.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Feb 03, 2017 8:48 pm

    Plus most of the time awareness and unit cohesion is really f****** poor.

    Once the SVBIED is on its killzone, it is very hard to take it out.

    The video Bojanchev refers is the first Al Bab Hospital barrier which was hit by BMP-1 SVBIED, there M2 Equipped ACV's failed to properly align the arc of fire and at least one RPG bounced. Some times it is also dumb luck that adds to the combat stress.
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    Post  calm on Sat Feb 04, 2017 11:44 am

    SAA+TigerForces gain 'Aran town in S al_Bab city, ~7km to al-Bab
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    Post  calm on Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:23 pm

    TAF+Rebels full control over key town of Biza'ah, E al_Bab
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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Feb 04, 2017 6:21 pm

    Clearly going for a big encirclement. Its gonna be a cauldron (for those of a UKie bent) if there are any ISIS left inside.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Feb 04, 2017 7:56 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Clearly going for a big encirclement. Its gonna be a cauldron (for those of a UKie bent) if there are any ISIS left inside.

    In all honesty it looks like a huge counter attack waiting to happen at Zarzor.
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    Post  calm on Sat Feb 04, 2017 9:28 pm

    IS recaptured Biza'ah from Тurkey.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Feb 04, 2017 9:33 pm

    calm wrote:IS recaptured Biza'ah from Тurkey.
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    JohninMK wrote:Clearly going for a big encirclement. Its gonna be a cauldron (for those of a UKie bent) if there are any ISIS left inside.

    In all honesty it looks like a huge counter attack waiting to happen at Zarzor.

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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:02 am

    Militarov wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Why the hell does both the SAA and the TSK allow ISIS to use VBIEDs successfuly? I saw an ISIS video where they rode a in the open for a km or so a turretless BMP1 hull full of explosives to a TSK position and it couldn't get destroyed. A fuckin BMP1 with 12.7 mm resistant armor only while they had tanks. The same for the SAA fuckup in Palmyra where they just used easily destroyabe cars.  Why is it that  they keep reaching their target. Is the SAA and TSK simply too retarded to shoot? This is especially dissapointing for the SAA because they regularly field 57mm and 23mm and 14,5 mm guns. All they need to do is to kill the exposed beardie driver of these things.

    Thing is, its not always that easy to do so. Gunners get scared, some shells-bullets do no significant damage upon hit or penetration, aganist popular belief its not that easy to light up explosive either... If answer was so easy as "shoot it" we would have no loses in war. Many VBIEDs get destroyed, some dont, thats how it is. On many parts of frontline they never saw 57/23mm guns, there are not so many of them around actually as you would imagine, you can see on videos that on many places they have recoiless rifles and mortars at best, rest of people are armed with small arms, so something like BMP-1 is big chunk for them.
    Still, all you need to do to render a VBIED is to cause an Mkill, and doing that to suicide toyotas or BMP1s is extremely easy. A DShK or SPG-7 would have no problem doing that.

    If gunners are scared of shooting VBIEDs then the SAA and TSK has the wrong men for the job. This is worse than cowardice, this is not having the honor to stand up for your comrades.

    Why is it that when things get tough, all secular middle eastern armies except jews have an "every man for himself" situation? Is it that without wahabbism the arab has no sense of unity or honor?
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:04 am

    Why hasn't Russia supplied NSVT RWSs  for the SAA's older tanks? Its not new technology and they could simply tear them off the  T-72Bs and T-64s in storage. The way they shoot the MGs exposed makes me cringe. I could understand doing that on a T-55 or T-62 but absolutely no on any T-72 variant.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:25 am

    Of course... all you need is bravery and the will to stop a suicide bomber...

    So why didn't USAF aircraft shoot down those planes on 11/9...

    Sometimes you don't realise what is happening... part of the effectiveness of an VIED is surprise... vehicles can move quickly... and with little or no warning can often cover reasonable distances quickly.

    These are anything but random attacks... these are planned and positions they attack from and the locations they attack are carefully chosen.

    There are lots of things you can do like anti vehicle obstacles... warning signs and land mines.
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:38 am

    11/9 and the syrian battlefield are apples and oranges. 1 was a hostage situation while the other is a battlefield.

    Anyway I was too harsh. If the VIED attacks are against poorly equipped infantry there is nothing that can be done about it.
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    Post  Guest on Sun Feb 05, 2017 11:45 am

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Why the hell does both the SAA and the TSK allow ISIS to use VBIEDs successfuly? I saw an ISIS video where they rode a in the open for a km or so a turretless BMP1 hull full of explosives to a TSK position and it couldn't get destroyed. A fuckin BMP1 with 12.7 mm resistant armor only while they had tanks. The same for the SAA fuckup in Palmyra where they just used easily destroyabe cars.  Why is it that  they keep reaching their target. Is the SAA and TSK simply too retarded to shoot? This is especially dissapointing for the SAA because they regularly field 57mm and 23mm and 14,5 mm guns. All they need to do is to kill the exposed beardie driver of these things.

    Thing is, its not always that easy to do so. Gunners get scared, some shells-bullets do no significant damage upon hit or penetration, aganist popular belief its not that easy to light up explosive either... If answer was so easy as "shoot it" we would have no loses in war. Many VBIEDs get destroyed, some dont, thats how it is. On many parts of frontline they never saw 57/23mm guns, there are not so many of them around actually as you would imagine, you can see on videos that on many places they have recoiless rifles and mortars at best, rest of people are armed with small arms, so something like BMP-1 is big chunk for them.
    Still, all you need to do to render a VBIED is to cause an Mkill, and doing that to suicide toyotas or BMP1s is extremely easy. A DShK or SPG-7 would have no problem doing that.  

    If gunners are scared of shooting VBIEDs then the SAA and TSK has the wrong men for the job. This is worse than cowardice, this is not having the honor to stand up for your comrades.

    Why is it that when things get tough, all secular middle eastern armies except jews have an "every man for himself" situation? Is it that without wahabbism the arab has no sense of unity or honor?

    Have you ever fired something like M-80 Zolja, or RPG-26/LAW/RPG7 Smile? Do you have any idea how hard is it to hit fast moving target Very Happy?
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Feb 05, 2017 12:51 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Why hasn't Russia supplied NSVT RWSs  for the SAA's older tanks? Its not new technology and they could simply tear them off the  T-72Bs and T-64s in storage. The way they shoot the MGs exposed makes me cringe. I could understand doing that on a T-55 or T-62 but absolutely no on any T-72 variant.

    Why hasn't Russia...a well known catch phrase from ultron's file of rants.

    Also the T-72 needs a ton of work to install a remote controlled system on top. The 1ET29 for instance that cold be fitted on the 72 by shoehorning, would simply useless in many circumstances in Syria. If we're talking new RWS taken from T90 for instance, there are a couple of changes within the tank's innards that need to be undertaken. These changes will NOT benefit the general awareness versus a covered cupola. Especially in a "kinetic" environment. A TC is more likely to have his head on a swivel than from buttoned up position.

    Also the problem stands true be the weapons guided or not. Kurds missed an SVBIED with ATGM twice last week. You need people that would remain calm. As for the myth that Israel is different from the Arabs in that respect, has been openly battered from 2006 "war". Israelis made huge mistakes in basic training areas. Like groupings, mobility, aggression and overall coordination.

    The same errors were made in 2008 in Gaza but fortunately with less impact as the road in there was paved heavy strikes and generally a boxed enemy.

    Suicide attacks are a serious issue, more so in a MOUT/Urban setting. Iraqis are paying a heavy toll.

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    Post  calm on Sun Feb 05, 2017 5:33 pm

    SAA captured Uwayshiyah village cutting one supply line to Al Bab.

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    Post  calm on Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:49 pm

    T-62М recently deliverd from Russia hit by ATGM

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    Crew survived.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Feb 05, 2017 8:12 pm

    calm wrote:T-62М recently deliverd from Russia hit by ATGM

    http://sendvid.com/zc5aefxa

    Crew survived.

    Video already down.
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    Post  calm on Sun Feb 05, 2017 9:00 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    calm wrote:T-62М recently deliverd from Russia hit by ATGM

    http://sendvid.com/zc5aefxa

    Crew survived.

    Video already down.


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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sun Feb 05, 2017 9:19 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Why the hell does both the SAA and the TSK allow ISIS to use VBIEDs successfuly? I saw an ISIS video where they rode a in the open for a km or so a turretless BMP1 hull full of explosives to a TSK position and it couldn't get destroyed. A fuckin BMP1 with 12.7 mm resistant armor only while they had tanks. The same for the SAA fuckup in Palmyra where they just used easily destroyabe cars.  Why is it that  they keep reaching their target. Is the SAA and TSK simply too retarded to shoot? This is especially dissapointing for the SAA because they regularly field 57mm and 23mm and 14,5 mm guns. All they need to do is to kill the exposed beardie driver of these things.

    Thing is, its not always that easy to do so. Gunners get scared, some shells-bullets do no significant damage upon hit or penetration, aganist popular belief its not that easy to light up explosive either... If answer was so easy as "shoot it" we would have no loses in war. Many VBIEDs get destroyed, some dont, thats how it is. On many parts of frontline they never saw 57/23mm guns, there are not so many of them around actually as you would imagine, you can see on videos that on many places they have recoiless rifles and mortars at best, rest of people are armed with small arms, so something like BMP-1 is big chunk for them.
    Still, all you need to do to render a VBIED is to cause an Mkill, and doing that to suicide toyotas or BMP1s is extremely easy. A DShK or SPG-7 would have no problem doing that.  

    If gunners are scared of shooting VBIEDs then the SAA and TSK has the wrong men for the job. This is worse than cowardice, this is not having the honor to stand up for your comrades.

    Why is it that when things get tough, all secular middle eastern armies except jews have an "every man for himself" situation? Is it that without wahabbism the arab has no sense of unity or honor?

    Have you ever fired something like M-80 Zolja, or RPG-26/LAW/RPG7 Smile? Do you have any idea how hard is it to hit fast moving target Very Happy?

    No. They are illegal to own in my country. I'm not talking about using laws, but recoilless guns and HMGs to combat lightly armored suicide vehicles.

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