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    Why weren't soviet pilots allowed to have noseart on their aircraft?

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    Why weren't soviet pilots allowed to have noseart on their aircraft?

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:51 pm

    It seems extremely strange given that almost all other nations allowed their pilots or squadrons to personalize their planes? Why was this forbidden in the USSR? I know their were exceptions in WW2 with inscriptions being allowed, but during the cold war this practice completely disappeared. What was the harm in soviet aircraft to have noseart?

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:41 am

    what makes you think it was forbidden?



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    Re: Why weren't soviet pilots allowed to have noseart on their aircraft?

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Sun Dec 11, 2016 2:35 pm

    I think I read in one of Yefim Gordon's book (can't remember which) that nose art was tolerated in some extent in WWII, but forbidden afterwards, can't remember the justification either. The only few which were allowed were those in training units, like the MiG-23, 25 and 29 in Turkmenistan which spotted big shark mouths and other markings, and this was allowed only because, as these were "agressor" fighters, it thus served to distinguish the "Soviet" ones.

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    Re: Why weren't soviet pilots allowed to have noseart on their aircraft?

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Mon Dec 12, 2016 3:23 am

    Svyatoslavich wrote:I think I read in one of Yefim Gordon's book (can't remember which) that nose art was tolerated in some extent in WWII, but forbidden afterwards, can't remember the justification either. The only few which were allowed were those in training units, like the MiG-23, 25 and 29 in Turkmenistan which spotted big shark mouths and other markings, and this was allowed only because, as these were "agressor" fighters, it thus served to distinguish the "Soviet" ones.
    So the reason for this ban remains a mystery?

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:25 am

    I have seen no evidence there was a ban.

    US Army vehicles are not painted with artwork either... is that banned?


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    Re: Why weren't soviet pilots allowed to have noseart on their aircraft?

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:07 am

    I imagine it is not a ban, but something cultural: every armed force in the world has a code of discipline and projected image and Soviet/Russian army probably consider this to be foraneous to their traditions. In the 90's there was a boom of artwork on aircraft, with units painting them as they wished, now it is much more standardized with some few and usually discreet art (Tu-160 bombers are named after pilots and aviation engineers, Tu-95MS are named after cities, MiG-29 based in Armenia have been christened with the name of Orthodox saints and spot a modest noseart). But like I said, training and "agressor" units have more visible and flamoyant paintings, exactly so that their aircraft can be more visibly distinct in combat.

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    Re: Why weren't soviet pilots allowed to have noseart on their aircraft?

    Post  George1 on Tue Dec 13, 2016 1:02 am

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:It seems extremely strange given that almost all other nations allowed their pilots or squadrons to personalize their planes? Why was this forbidden in the USSR? I know their were exceptions in WW2 with inscriptions  being allowed, but during the cold war this practice completely disappeared. What was the harm in soviet aircraft to  have noseart?

    well answer is simple. USSR didnt promote personal ambitions/beliefs but common/peoples ones


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