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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  GarryB on Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:36 am

    NATO and the US should examine the Russian mission to Syria as a model they would greatly benefit from copying.

    The efficient use of forces and equipment and weapons to minimise costs while maximising effectiveness is an example to countries around the world about how such things should be done.

    People talk about cruise missiles and cheap dumb bombs, but the revelation for me has been their ability to put special forces in the front lines to find targets and pass that information to those planning missions to allow accurate attacks to be taken place from what is pretty much medium altitude out of the range of MANPADS.

    If we remember in Kosovo some of the complaints were inaccuracies of the ability to attack ground target because of minimum operating height restrictions on NATO aircraft.

    It seems that Russian recon and C4ISTAR assets have gone from almost non-existent in Georgia in 08, to very effective in Syria... a transformation.

    With regard to sending Yak-130s to Syria, I would think its usefulness would be limited and the risk of getting expensive little trainers shot down would be too high.

    Using dumb cheap weapons means getting into the line of fire... return fire from 12.7mm, 14.5mm, 23mm, 30mm, 57mm and other calibre guns not to mention rockets and missiles supplied by who knows means such a mission is rather risky.

    Fitting them with G&T bomb aiming systems and targeting pods and dropping cheap simple dumb bombs from safe altitudes might be worth it... having to use expensive laser guided bombs from standoff range to keep them out of small arms range... well it just makes their use expensive or less safe.

    On the other hand getting a justification to reopen Su-25UB production in Russia could allow for new build aircraft that could be modified to further improve performance... and would be excellent in COIN type operations without being too expensive.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  medo on Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:40 am

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  calm on Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:47 am

    ^
    Why is there no video on ZvezdaTV youtube channel?
    They always post it and delete it, and post it and delete, multiple times. I have no idea why they are doing that. But with every single part up till now they have don that.

    I just want 1080/720p. Laughing


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  par far on Sun Aug 13, 2017 6:23 pm

    calm wrote:^
    Why is there no video on ZvezdaTV youtube channel?
    They always post it and delete it, and post it and delete, multiple times. I have no idea why they are doing that. But with every single part up till now they have don that.

    I just want 1080/720p.  Laughing



    This is a very heart warming video, this is the difference between the Americans and Russians. Americans just want destruction, death and chaos. The Russians want life, order and peace. More videos like this is needed to show the world, what peace and love means.


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    Post  calm on Mon Aug 14, 2017 1:08 am

    par far wrote:This is a very heart warming video, this is the difference between the Americans and Russians. Americans just want destruction, death and chaos. The Russians want life, order and peace. More videos like this is needed to show the world, what peace and love means.

    Just look at that little girl at 1:10

    That man holding her is a MP commander in Aleppo, from Chechen unit.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  calm on Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:09 am

    New S300/400 in Syria

    http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=35.165240&lon=36.262740&z=17&m=b
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  calm on Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:24 pm

    calm wrote:New S300/400 in Syria

    http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=35.165240&lon=36.262740&z=17&m=b

    This looks more like bastion(it is launched from here last year).

    same place, couple of months ago

    S300V4










    Tartus and Latakia Russian fortresses.
    There is one Pantsir in Tartous port, and maybe something else.

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    Post  JohninMK on Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:56 pm

    [quote="calm"]
    calm wrote:New S300/400 in Syria

    This looks more like bastion(it is launched from here last year).

    same place, couple of months ago

    S300V4


    Tartus and Latakia Russian fortresses.
    There is one Pantsir in Tartous port, and maybe something else.

    Very interesting location, not quite on a straight line between Tartus and Hama and high in the mountains giving potentially really good radar range.

    Perfect spot for a SAM if indeed it is one.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  calm on Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:55 pm

    Russians in Rastan pocket. Face to Face with rebels during negotation.



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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  d_taddei2 on Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:09 pm

    getoverit wrote:Can you plebs talk about something other than L-39 and focus more on facts , we lurkers come here for information and lately , what a waste of time; Arguments, insults and L-39 come on children

    All the best

    Me I have been trying to get him to stop lol I am more than happy to chat about other things you will see multiple times I've mentioned that this thread is about Russia's involvement in Syria not scrapping but eehnie has a bee in his bonnet about it lol. I have refused to mention it from now on if it's mentioned again it won't be by me
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  calm Yesterday at 8:05 pm

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  d_taddei2 Yesterday at 8:17 pm

    The Russian Navy fired several cruise missiles towards the Isis positions in central Syria last night. targeted the Islamic State installations inside the terrorist group’s stronghold of ‘Uqayrbat

    https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-navy-fires-cruise-missiles-towards-isil-held-central-syria-report/


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    Post  JohninMK Today at 12:19 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:The Russian Navy fired several cruise missiles towards the Isis positions in central Syria last night. targeted the Islamic State installations inside the terrorist group’s stronghold of ‘Uqayrbat

    https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-navy-fires-cruise-missiles-towards-isil-held-central-syria-report/

    Must be scary when buildings suddenly explode around you with non of the advance warning from the sound of jets. More please!
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    Post  d_taddei2 Today at 9:05 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:The Russian Navy fired several cruise missiles towards the Isis positions in central Syria last night. targeted the Islamic State installations inside the terrorist group’s stronghold of ‘Uqayrbat

    https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-navy-fires-cruise-missiles-towards-isil-held-central-syria-report/

    Must be scary when buildings suddenly explode around you with non of the advance warning from the sound of jets. More please!

    Agreed no chance to take any action I think it's great Russia has a chance to test them in combat although it would have been nice to test iskander and FOAB looooool against the scum.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  GarryB Today at 10:09 am

    Iskander proved its worth in Georgia...

    And regarding the FOAB... there is still time... Smile


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  nomadski Today at 11:05 am


    @calm

    Good post about negotiations . Must be done where possible . But if they keep on fighting . Like the hard core terrorists . Then is it better to close the jaws of death and trap them . And annihilate them . Or allow them escape through narrow gap . So they retreat to more confined geographical area ? There , they can be annihilated en masse .

    The best possible scenario for terrorist . Is to occupy as large geographical area and do hit and run . The worst for them is to occupy small area and do set battle . It is the reverse situation for regular army . So it makes sense to allow them a retreat . So they can be collected in one area . There destroyed at once . Keep the gaps open .




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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  JohninMK Today at 12:08 pm

    nomadski wrote:
    @calm

    Good post about  negotiations . Must be done where possible . But if they keep on fighting . Like the hard core terrorists . Then is it better to close the jaws of death and trap them . And annihilate them . Or allow them escape through narrow gap . So they retreat to more confined geographical area ?  There , they can be annihilated en masse .

    The best possible scenario for terrorist . Is to occupy as large geographical area and do hit and run . The worst for them is to occupy small area and do set battle . It is the reverse situation for regular army . So it makes sense to allow them a retreat . So they can be collected in one area . There destroyed at once . Keep the gaps open .
    In a 'normal' civil war there can be 'stay-behinds' that are then able to conduct a guerilla campaign. It doesn't look like this will be possible for ISIS, either, certainly out of the Euphrates valley, there is no chance of living off the land or the local population are not sympathetic to their cause. You could imagine the response if the Government put a price on their heads.

    By far the best solution, for the rest of the people in the Middle East and beyond is to just execute them as murderers etc on the spot. Especially the foreigners amongst them (majority?) who just came to wreak havoc on Syrians for fun.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  PapaDragon Today at 4:35 pm

    GarryB wrote:Iskander proved its worth in Georgia...

    And regarding the FOAB... there is still time... Smile

    I really want them to use FOAB. 

    I know it's completely unnecessary and total waste and overkill but I want to see it going off so bad.

    Can you imagine the porn??? pwnd

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