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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:27 pm


    Three days and nothing on CNN about that video? Yeah I'm switching from mercenaries to fake footage.

    There is no way they would miss out on something this juicy. Still, good play by ISIS but not good enough as usual.

    Shadiest thing about video was in fact that stereotypical song playing in the background. Reminded me of that Russian Border Guards APC with framed Putin's portrait inside it that ukrops captured and tried to pass it off as part of the invasion.

    When you lie it has to be subtle otherwise it doesn't pass the scrutiny.

    People keep forgetting that lying is an art form that requires considerable skill.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  eehnie on Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:11 am

    It is logical, and is to be expected that Russia and Syria begin to think in the Syrian Armed Forces after the war. The war will not finnish soon, with the presence of Israel, Turkey and US in territory of Syria, but there is a prospect of victory for Syria.

    It is logical that Syria begins to keep the best part of their arsenals safer, and begins to use the oldest part of their arsenals as intensely as possible.

    These are the weapons that I expect to be strongly reserved in safer situation:

    Project 1265
    Project 266
    Project 1258

    SA-22
    SS-C-5
    SS-26
    T-90
    TOS-1
    BM-30
    BMP-3 (?)
    SA-19
    SA-11/17
    SA-10/12/20/23
    2S1
    SA-8
    SA-6
    BM-27
    2S3
    T-72
    SS-C-1
    SS-21
    SS-C-3
    2S4
    SS-1 Scud
    ZSU-23-4

    Su-24
    MiG-29
    Su-17/20/22
    MiG-25 (?)
    MiG-23

    Also is likely to see a very prudent use of:

    BTR-80
    BMP-2

    Mi-14
    Mi-24/25/35

    Obviously units of these weapons will be difficult to recover for Syria if lost. Unlikely to go as free aid.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:19 am

    eehnie wrote:It is logical, and is to be expected that Russia and Syria begin to think in the Syrian Armed Forces after the war. The war will not finnish soon, with the presence of Israel, Turkey and US in territory of Syria, but there is a prospect of victory for Syria.

    It is logical that Syria begins to keep the best part of their arsenals safer, and begins to use the oldest part of their arsenals as intensely as possible.
    Don't you have any understanding of fighting a war?

    The last thing, the very last thing, that will be on any SAA Generals' minds is what of his gear is going to survive. Not only is there no surplus of gear but the best and newest stuff will be earning its keep.

    Jeez.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  calm on Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:53 am


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Jul 03, 2017 1:03 pm

    Very sad moment at 2.36
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  eehnie on Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:25 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    eehnie wrote:It is logical, and is to be expected that Russia and Syria begin to think in the Syrian Armed Forces after the war. The war will not finnish soon, with the presence of Israel, Turkey and US in territory of Syria, but there is a prospect of victory for Syria.

    It is logical that Syria begins to keep the best part of their arsenals safer, and begins to use the oldest part of their arsenals as intensely as possible.

    These are the weapons that I expect to be strongly reserved in safer situation:

    Project 1265
    Project 266
    Project 1258

    SA-22
    SS-C-5
    SS-26
    T-90
    TOS-1
    BM-30
    BMP-3 (?)
    SA-19
    SA-11/17
    SA-10/12/20/23
    2S1
    SA-8
    SA-6
    BM-27
    2S3
    T-72
    SS-C-1
    SS-21
    SS-C-3
    2S4
    SS-1 Scud
    ZSU-23-4

    Su-24
    MiG-29
    Su-17/20/22
    MiG-25 (?)
    MiG-23

    Also is likely to see a very prudent use of:

    BTR-80
    BMP-2

    Mi-14
    Mi-24/25/35

    Obviously units of these weapons will be difficult to recover for Syria if lost. Unlikely to go as free aid.

    Don't you have any understanding of fighting a war?

    The last thing, the very last thing, that will be on any SAA Generals' minds is what of his gear is going to survive. Not only is there no surplus of gear but the best and newest stuff will be earning its keep.

    Jeez.

    Not rare you answer this way.

    The listed material is just what the US and Israel are salivating to destroy if they have a chance, because it is where attrition war makes some damage to the Russian and Syrian arsenals. Obviously Russia and Syria know it.

    At this point military superiority of the Syrian Armed Forces is proved and assured in the case of the pockets and in the case of the frontline with the Islamic State. Even is assured with older material.

    In the rest of the fronts surely older material is enough to face the adversaries in the ground and makes less attractive for the invaders to attack them with rockets and missiles, that can be more expensive than the old tanks and artillery pieces of Syria that would have to destroy.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:24 pm

    eehnie wrote:

    In the rest of the fronts surely older material is enough to face the adversaries in the ground and makes less attractive for the invaders to attack them with rockets and missiles, that can be more expensive than the old tanks and artillery pieces of Syria that would have to destroy.
    Get real.

    Since when has the military at the front cared one jot about the cost of the gear they were using and stuff they were expending? Let alone the cost of their enemies stuff.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  Vann7 on Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:44 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Very sad moment at 2.36


    So anyone knows what really happened with the Russian Chopper who crashed in that video
    in Homs?  It seemed that it was firing rockets and one exploded was damaged and exploded
    withing a second of being fired..   the initial belief was that a TOW missile or manpad
    hit the chopper..

    anyone knows what's the Russian military official version of how the chopper crashed?
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  eehnie on Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:30 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    eehnie wrote:

    In the rest of the fronts surely older material is enough to face the adversaries in the ground and makes less attractive for the invaders to attack them with rockets and missiles, that can be more expensive than the old tanks and artillery pieces of Syria that would have to destroy.
    Get real.

    Since when has the military at the front cared one jot about the cost of the gear they were using and stuff they were expending? Let alone the cost of their enemies stuff.

    I'm not talking about things decided by the military at the front. I'm talking about what (and who) is likely to be in the front. Is very different, and this is decided by those who pay the war and will pay also a good part of the equipment of the Syrian Armed Forces after the fall of the pockets and the fall of ISIS.

    You really have not much idea about how to plan and win an attrition war.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  JohninMK on Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:54 pm

    Meanwhile offshore

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  Big_Gazza on Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:42 pm

    Russian strategic bombers hit ISIS targets with newest airborne cruise missiles in Syria

    Russian strategic bombers have conducted strikes on ISIS targets in Syria, using modern X-101 strategic cruise missiles. Several weapon stockpiles and a terrorist command center were destroyed in the strike.

    Russian Air Force Tu-95MS strategic bombers have conducted strikes on Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) positions near the border of Syrian Hama and Homs provinces on Wednesday, the Russian military said in a statement.

    “Three large weapon and ammunition stockpiles alongside with a command center near the town of Akerbat were destroyed in the strike, which was confirmed by objective control measures,” the statement reads.

    The newest Russian X-101 airborne strategic missiles were used in the strike. While the effective range of the missiles is up to 4,500km, the strikes were conducted from a range of around 1,000km.

    The Tu-95MS bombers took off from an airbase near the southern Russian city of Engels and made their way to Syria after airborne refueling.

    Su-30SM fighter aircrafts, based at the Khmeimim Air Base in Syria, provided support and cover to the strategic bombers.

    https://www.rt.com/news/395361-russian-strategic-bombers-hit-isis-targets/

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  lycantrop on Thu Jul 06, 2017 2:48 am

    regarding the torturing video allegedly done by russian mercs:

    http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/video-seems-show-russian-mercenaries-torturing-isis-man-death-syria/ri20253
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:57 am

    lycantrop wrote:regarding the torturing video allegedly done by russian mercs:

    http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/video-seems-show-russian-mercenaries-torturing-isis-man-death-syria/ri20253

    Nobody is picking up on that slam dunk even after nearly a week

    That means that there is something in that video that makes it obviously fake even though we might not able to pinpoint it but those who would love to air it are able to so I guess that one goes to "better luck next time" folder
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  Karbafoz on Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:28 am

    PapaDragon wrote:Nobody is picking up on that slam dunk even after nearly a week
    That means that there is something in that video that makes it obviously fake even though we might not able to pinpoint it but those who would love to air it are able to so I guess that one goes to "better luck next time" folder

    I think that it actually could be a real "message". Western MSM didn't pick it up because it would work in Russia interest - to deliver it to the each beardy in the area. SAA drove them out of big cities and now really bad things could happen with them in the desert. The final goal is to make each bramaley, his sons, and sons of sons to know to stay freaking out of the areas where Russian mercs are stationed. And to run as fast as possible when they are approaching.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  AK-Rex on Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:13 am

    The defense Ministry showed the results of the X-101 missiles.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  nomadski on Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:19 am



    Did everyone predict the defeat and death of the rats ? No . Some could not see it . If they had referred to history , then they would have seen that no group capable of such inhumanity has ever survived for long . What of other groups in Syria ? Are they national forces ? Consisting of Syrians ? Or are they democratic ? No . They are separatists . Or foreigners supporting separatists . History tells us about the nature of such forces . Logic tells us what to expect from them .

    Can anyone imagine that Syrian government will settle for the break up of Syria ? Can anyone imagine that Russia will stop it's support for Syria ? Can anyone imagine that separatist elements will become nationalists ? Can anyone imagine that the yanks will stop supporting them ? So negotiating with separatists , and granting them favours , if not solely political theatre . Is pointless .

    Defeating the separatists will take it's normal course . When it comes to the yanks ,and when the swamp is drained . Then a confrontation with Russia is likely . So save the big guns for that . Chances are , with the swamp drained , and finding themselves alone , that they will leave . Without a fight .
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:08 pm

    Karbafoz wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:Nobody is picking up on that slam dunk even after nearly a week
    That means that there is something in that video that makes it obviously fake even though we might not able to pinpoint it but those who would love to air it are able to so I guess that one goes to "better luck next time" folder

    I think that it actually could be a real "message". Western MSM didn't pick it up because it would work in Russia interest - to deliver it to the each beardy in the area. SAA drove them out of big cities and now really bad things could happen with them in the desert. The final goal is to make each bramaley, his sons, and sons of sons to know to stay freaking out of the areas where  Russian mercs are stationed. And to run as fast as possible when they are approaching.

    Well the thing is that every single beardie did see it.

    So not only did they fail to use it as smear piece but they also scared the shit out of jihadists in the process.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:51 am


    I doubt this was taken over Russia so I am putting it here. Now if you will all excuse me, I'll be in my bunk... love
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  kvs on Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:12 am

    Karbafoz wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:Nobody is picking up on that slam dunk even after nearly a week
    That means that there is something in that video that makes it obviously fake even though we might not able to pinpoint it but those who would love to air it are able to so I guess that one goes to "better luck next time" folder

    I think that it actually could be a real "message". Western MSM didn't pick it up because it would work in Russia interest - to deliver it to the each beardy in the area. SAA drove them out of big cities and now really bad things could happen with them in the desert. The final goal is to make each bramaley, his sons, and sons of sons to know to stay freaking out of the areas where  Russian mercs are stationed. And to run as fast as possible when they are approaching.

    I kind of like this argument, but Russian policy in Syria is doing fine without the need to "stoop to their level". Russian bombs and cruise missiles put more fear of Allah
    in the hearts and minds of the jihadis than seeing torture and beheading. It means nothing to them and they are not afraid of it (so they think). But sweeping them
    out of Syria will crush their bubble of sectarian delusion. If they are so righteous, then Allah can't forsake them. But he will and their bitter tears will be sweet.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  Benya on Sat Jul 08, 2017 6:04 pm

    RUSSIA TO SUPPLY SYRIAN COASTAL GUARD WITH NEW PATROL BOATS – MEDIA


    Russia will supply the Syrian Coastal Guard with new patrol boats and other equipment, the Shephard Military News website has reported.

    According to the report, the delivery of boats will begin in 2017 year and will be completed until 2019. It’s not known what kind of boats it is until now, but it’s believed that Moscow will supply Project 03160 High Speed Patrol Boats.

    The Project 03160 is one of the world’s most modern patrol boats with a range of 100 nautical miles and a speed of up to 90 km/h. Equipped with a 2,000-hp twin-waterjet power plan, it also has a modern marine radar and several modern electro-optical night-daytime systems. It’s armed with 14.5-mm Uprava-KORD remote-controlled fighting module and 2 7.62mm machine guns. Such boats can be used for counter-terrorism and special operations, or search and rescue operations SAR.

    Through this step, Russia aims to develop the capabilities of the Syrian Coastal Guard and the Syrian Navy and help them to secure the Syrian coast against possible terrorist acts or smuggling attempts. Russia had previously deployed two Project 03160 boats at its Tartus naval facility, but it is still uncertain whether Syria would get them. However, Russia is committed to assist the struggling Syrian Navy according to the Tartus naval base agreement.

    Source: Arrow https://southfront.org/russia-supply-syrian-coastal-guard-new-patrol-boats/
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  Godric on Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:47 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    I doubt this was taken over Russia so I am putting it here. Now if you will all excuse me, I'll be in my bunk... love

    could easily be near the Outer Mongolian border or near Kazakhstan

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  JohninMK on Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:26 pm

    Look like it wasn't shipped just to look pretty to Assad, this is proper product testing underway.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  medo on Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:16 pm

    ISIL confirm, that Al Bagdadi is dead. Now they could say: "Only one is Su-34 and KAB-1500L is his Messenger." I wonder if US will pay the money to russian crew for Al Bagdadi's head or what remains from Al Bagdadi's head. It would be great, if the crew paint Al Bagdadi's head instead of red star for this combat mission.
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    Post  Project Canada on Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:38 am

    medo wrote:ISIL confirm, that Al Bagdadi is dead. Now they could say: "Only one is Su-34 and KAB-1500L is his Messenger."  I wonder if US will pay the money to russian crew for Al Bagdadi's head or what remains from Al Bagdadi's head. It would be great, if the crew paint Al Bagdadi's head instead of red star for this combat mission.

    US would claim the credit for killing Bagdadi and cast doubt on effectiveness of russian strikes.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  Vann7 on Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:59 am

    Project Canada wrote:
    medo wrote:ISIL confirm, that Al Bagdadi is dead. Now they could say: "Only one is Su-34 and KAB-1500L is his Messenger."  I wonder if US will pay the money to russian crew for Al Bagdadi's head or what remains from Al Bagdadi's head. It would be great, if the crew paint Al Bagdadi's head instead of red star for this combat mission.

    US would claim the credit for killing Bagdadi and cast doubt on effectiveness of russian strikes.


    ISIS leaders are just Public Relations of terrorist. Recruiters. People in charge to keep
    the morale up and the group PR man.  Is not going to change anything is he dies ..
    someone else will take his place. Just like as it happened to Bin Landen in Alqaeda.

    TO really defeat ISIS ,the real Blow to ISIS and Alqaeda and its supporters ,
    you need to target the real Master minds and major sponsors of them.
    COuntries like US, Israel ,Turkey and Saudi Arabia ,Qatar are the main players of them ,
    sanctions on them will be the big thing that could really stop ISIS ,Alqaeda and every other terror group. If Europe created a political ,economic and military alliance with Russia ,with the correct leaders in powers it could be done. All that Europe needs to do is threaten US with disbanding NATO and Israel with total economic isolation and Turkey with total freeze of Bank
    assets and transanctions ,and completely ban saudi Arabia energy sales in the world. if does not abandon Syria and stop its support of terrorism.

    The war in Syria will have been impossible for US ,Israel and Turkey and Saudi Arabia ,if they did not have the support of Europe which is the major economy in the world , and the key for NATO existence. without Europe support /tolerance NATO can't exist and Israel neither will be
    able to continue to exist as a nation with total economic isolation from the world.

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