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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  kvs on Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:50 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:I suspect that the Russian MoD is preparing a retaliatory strike.
    We may see Kalibrs, Kh-101s, Kh-55s and lots of activity from Hmeyim and Kuznetsov. Maybe even Iskander this time.

    This is a mandatory move. The jihadis should have hundreds of their rank roasted alive for this. Satan is waiting for them.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  eehnie on Tue Dec 06, 2016 12:20 am

    GarryB wrote:
    The ZU-23-2 and the 2B9 Vasilek are likely to be finished in Russia by this war, and maybe in Novorussia too.

    Really don't understand what you have against such weapons... both can still do the jobs they were designed to do...

    The question is not if I hate or not if I have something or not against the ZU-23-2 and the 2B9 Vasilek (something that is not true).

    The question is that as explained in previous comments Russia is taking a responsability of providing Syria with the necessary to survive. It includes some advanced systems (basically Surface-Air and Surface-Surface, between other things), but also includes lower technology weapons and ammunitions for the big amounts of soldiers fighting (in adition to what Syria can get from other friend countries).

    We begin with the fact that Russia is sending also lower technology weapons to Syria in good amounts, and the oldest and weakest (technologically) weapons in the Russian inventories are also to be used when it is required, like now.

    Obviously Russia will do the work of identifying their less capable and older weapons to send them to Syria. These weapons remain useful and appreciated there, and are the cheapest option to give them something in enough amounts for the Syrian soldiers can have something to fight above man-portable weapons. And Russia will replace these less capable weapons with more units of more capable weapons that are today in the orders for procurement.

    And Russia will do it without my opinion, but I tried to do this same work of identifying the less capable weapons present in the Russian Armed Forces today. I identified the ZU-23-2 and the 2B9 Vasilek as the weakest weapons today since I do not find evidence after 2014 of the presence of a number of weapons that some sources still keep as present (M-30, D-20, D-1, M-46, M-160, ML-20, B-4M or the S-60). And in this case I see the ZU-23-2 coming to Syria, which means my identification is not as wrong.

    You can do also the same exercice, and if you find something different you can comment it. It is obvious that Russia will send to Syria the less capable heavy weight weapons in their hands. Which weapons, which warfare would you consider the less capable today in the Russian hands? Why?

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    To continue with the argument, Russia will finnish some of their less capable heavy weight warfare if is required by this war. There is some sense to keep the old units of ZU-23-2 or 2B9 Vasilek if the requirements of weapons from Syria are enough to exhaust them in the Russian inventories? No. Russia will send all them if required, and I think this war is big enough for it.

    And finally, the next step is to see which weapons can be ordered by Russia to restore their inventories after the warfare sends to Syria? Obviously they will not order more units of their less capable warfare. They will order modern weapons for the same roles.

    In the case of the ZU-23-2 (taking into account that Russia has more warfare in between):
    - For anti-air roles they will likely order SA-22.
    - For the infantry roles they can likely order modern IFVs with cannons of high elevation which development is beign finished. As example this: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=es&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fvpk-news.ru%2Fnews%2F33827

    In the case of the 2B9 Vasilek (again taking into account that Russia has more warfare in between):
    - For the light mortar role they will likely order 2B25 mortars (13Kg instead of the 632Kg of the 2B9).
    - For the heavy artillery piece role with good rate of fire they can likely order modern self propelled vehicles based on the new land platforms (BMD-4M, Kurganets or Bumerang) with the new 120mm weapon. As example: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=es&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fvpk.name%2Fnews%2F165831_opyitnyii_obrazec_samohodnogo_orudiya_lotos_dlya_vdv_sozdadut_v_2017_godu.html
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  higurashihougi on Tue Dec 06, 2016 7:10 am

    A half-direct slam to Western government

    https://www.rt.com/news/369282-russian-foreign-ministry-hospital-bombing/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

    It is beyond doubt that the shelling was conducted by the ‘opposition’ militants. Moscow understands who gave the Syrian militants the coordinates of the Russian hospital right at the moment when it started working,” the Defense Ministry’s spokesman, Major General Igor Konashenkov said.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:27 am

    BKP wrote:
    AK-Rex wrote:Russian Su-33 crashed in the Mediterranean while attempting to land on Kuznetsov aircraft carrier

    Less than three weeks after losing a MiG-29, it looks like the Russian Navy has lost another aircraft during Admiral Kuznetsov operations: a Su-33 Flanker.

    Military sources close to The Aviationist report that a Russian Navy Su-33 Flanker carrier-based multirole aircraft has crashed during flight operations from Admiral Kuznetsov on Saturday, Dec. 3.

    According to the report, the combat plane crashed at its second attempt to land on the aircraft carrier in good weather conditions (visibility +10 kilometers, Sea State 4, wind at 12 knots): it seems that it missed the wires and failed to go around falling short of the bow of the warship.

    The pilot successfully ejected and was picked up by a Russian Navy search and rescue helicopter.

    Considered that on Nov. 14 a MiG-29K crashed while recovering to the aircraft carrier, if confirmed this would be the second loss for the air wing embarked on Admiral Kuznetsov in less than three weeks and a significant blow for the Russian Naval Aviation during its combat deployment off Syria.

    https://theaviationist.com/2016/12/05/russian-su-33-crashed-in-the-mediterranean-while-attempting-to-land-on-kuznetsov-aircraft-carrier/

    Anyone care to venture a guess as to what will become of the MiG and SU? Will they simply lay at the bottom of the sea intact or will they be targets of a demolition operation?

    Probably demo after all nice things have been stripped/denied because from my understanding they're into over 500m depth. That gives also the possibility to recover (at least the SU).
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  zg18 on Wed Dec 07, 2016 2:48 pm

    Aleppo


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    Post  par far on Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:18 pm

    "RUSSIA DEPLOYS MILITARY POLICE FROM ITS REPUBLIC OF CHECHNYA TO SYRIA’S ALEPPO (VIDEO)."

    Good experience for them, hopefully they all stay safe.





    https://southfront.org/russia-deploys-military-police-from-its-republic-of-chechnya-to-syrias-aleppo-video/



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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  par far on Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:07 pm

    "RUSSIAN SPECIAL FORCES ELIMINATE LEADERS OF MILITANTS IN SYRIA – REPORTS."


    https://southfront.org/russian-special-forces-eliminate-leaders-of-militants-in-syria-reports/



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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:22 pm

    zg18 wrote:Aleppo

    Clearly getting into their holiday gear Smile

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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Dec 08, 2016 12:26 am

    Photo from the Syrian Army of another holiday maker.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  eehnie on Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:01 am

    At this rythm the pocket in Aleppo can fall in two days.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  crod on Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:52 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    zg18 wrote:Aleppo

    Clearly getting into their holiday gear Smile

    oh what fun these scallywags will have - holidaying along the coast, visiting the ancient monuments and removing vermin as they come across it....
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  crod on Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:55 am

    JohninMK wrote:Photo from the Syrian Army of another holiday maker.


    well I guess that's the pleasure of a holiday - all the time in the world to ponder matters....shall I shoot him in the head, leg or balls. attack

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Dec 08, 2016 12:21 pm

    It looks like Israel is looking to be kicked in the ass real hard by Russia..

    There are reports.. from Syrianperspective of another Israeli missile attack on Syria ,
    flying close to Tartus and Russia navy intercepted it..


    This is unconfirmed information but will be interesting indeed if True
    and will show the Netanyahu terrorist government really desperate
    to come to the rescue of ALqaeda and ISIS in SYria and provoke a
    major conflict against Syria now and even seeking to intimidate Russia.
    with the bullshit excuses that they were bombing a "transfer of weapons"
    to "hezbolah" , now the idiots claim it was weapons of mass destruction.. what Syria
    was trying to transfer to hezbolah..  Laughing


    The latest zionist government last night was that Assad must go and Trump
    already told he will stay. So there will be major differences between Trump and Netanyahu
    over Syria.. but also Russia will not allow Israel to sabotage their efforts to defeat
    Alqaeda and ISIS in Syria.



    Igor Bundy


    last night Russian air defense intercepted an Israeli missile over Tartus around 2:45 in the morning explosion heard all over Tartus

    @WithinSyriaBlog everyone in Tartus heard the explosion ,only now I was able to get info from eye witness who saw the explosion in the sky

    one of the RuNavy Ships fired the air defense missile

    image: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzEYvjvW8AI_ACZ.jpg

    comment image

    it looks like Israel used EXTRA ground to ground guided rocket in it’s attack on Al-Mazzah AB in #Damascus last night



    http://syrianperspective.com/2016/12/syrian-army-liberates-aleppos-old-city-73-of-east-aleppo-in-hands-of-heroic-syrian-army-saudis-and-turks-furious-at-terrorist-surrender-zionist-slime-fire-missiles-at-damascus-military-airba.html

    Interesting petition online to thanks Putin for his help to Syria
    a world wide thanks letter to Russia ,to make viral.

    http://dearputin.com


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    Post  Vann7 on Thu Dec 08, 2016 12:46 pm

    a letter to make Viral.. pls share..

    http://dearputin.com





    Dear President Putin,

    As members of the global reality-based community, we’d like to extend our appreciation and support for the Russian Federation’s decision to provide humanitarian and military assistance to Syria, its armed forces and its democratically elected leader, President Bashar al-Assad, in their fight against international US-backed terrorists.
    The launch of airstrikes directed against ISIL terrorists in Syria comes at a critical time,1 just as did Russia’s pivotal role in preventing a Western military intervention in 2013. As a voice of reason and a force for justice, you have the thanks and support of Syrians, Russians and all people of conscience around the world.
    Since 2011, Western leaders have been determined to turn Syria into a failed state. They have gone to the extent of providing funding, training and weaponry to foreign mercenaries who have waged a brutal campaign of terror on the Syrian people and their legitimate government.2 These terrorist forces and religious fanatics do not represent the will of the Syrian people, the majority of whom support President Assad. As you said in your speech at the United Nations General Assembly, it is for the Syrian people and only the Syrian people to decide who should lead them.
    In 2013, when the West was primed to launch a military campaign on Syria, Russia stepped in to broker a peaceful, diplomatic solution. In a sane world, this would be the natural response to international problems, and Russia would not stand alone. Unfortunately, the West continues its dead-end policy of supporting violence, coercion and illegal intervention in the affairs of sovereign nations.
    While the West pushes for destabilization, war and chaos, Russia stands firm in its commitment to dialogue, cooperation, international law and order. Your reaction to the crisis in Syria demonstrates exactly that.
    Like you, President Assad has proven himself to be a man of intelligence, courage and good will. And like most public figures who possess such qualities, he has been relentlessly defamed and slandered by Western governments and media. One example is the Houla massacre in May 2012, in which 108 Syrians were killed, including 49 children. The Syrian military was blamed for this atrocity but it was later revealed that the massacre was perpetrated by forces aligned with the US-backed ‘Free Syrian Army’ (FSA), and that the victims were supporters of the Syrian government.3 Later in 2012, the FSA was observed killing kidnapped civilians and off-duty soldiers.4
    This is the ‘moderate opposition’ group that Western government officials support in their illegal aggression against Mr. Assad, and whom they now accuse Russia of targeting with airstrikes. These facts and others show clearly that the US government and its allies merely profess to fight terror when in fact they directly create and support it in a futile attempt to secure US global hegemony. They do this without the support of the United Nations and without the support of the legitimate governments of the countries they attack.
    The second Secretary-General of the United Nations, Dag Hammarskjold, whom John F. Kennedy considered the greatest statesman of his time, clearly saw the problems facing not only the UN, but the world at large. In 1958 he wrote:
    “The conflict to different approaches to the liberty of man and mind or between different views of human dignity and the right of the individual is continuous. The dividing line goes within ourselves, within our own peoples, and also within other nations. It does not coincide with any political or geographical boundaries. The ultimate fight is one between the human and the subhuman. We are on dangerous ground if we believe that any individual, any nation, or any ideology has a monopoly on rightness, liberty, and human dignity.”5
    We are on dangerous ground. The United States’ self-professed monopoly on rightness, liberty, and human dignity has led to wrongness, oppression and suffering on a massive scale. The Western mentality on display in Libya and Syria is truly subhuman6 — psychopathic7 — embracing the basest aspects of human nature.8
    Naturally, the subhuman is reflected in the results of U.S. policy in Ukraine and Syria. In Ukraine, neo-Nazis are members of Parliament and form battalions which have tortured and murdered men, women and children in the Donbass, with the sanction of the government in Kiev. In Syria, the West’s policy of destruction and the support of terrorism have resulted in ISIL and other terror groups whose methods are publicly condemned but privately supported by Western leaders.9 This is not the vision humanity is desperate to embrace. This is not the vision we seek.
    As long as world leaders continue to submit to the will of political psychopaths, humanity will never build a world of peace.10 We pray that more people will follow your example, by speaking truth to power, by acting firmly on their convictions and by refusing to be controlled by fear and ignorance. We hope that by doing so, we may all do our part to create a truly multipolar world free from the destructive influence of psychopaths and fanatics, and the toxic political structures they create that make peace impossible.
    Sincerely,

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    Post  Militarov on Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:56 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Photo from the Syrian Army of another holiday maker.


    That photo is old as fire Smile I think we had it posted like 6 months ago here:)

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:46 pm

    [quote="Militarov"

    That photo is old as fire Smile I think we had it posted like 6 months ago here:)[/quote]
    Mmmmm back in your stopped posting era eh? Laughing

    Must have enjoyed the holiday so much he came back again then. Cool
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:37 am

    Putinception...



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    Post  Vann7 on Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:07 am

    Sorry couldn't resist..  
     when a picture speak a thousand words.. lol1

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:36 am


    Obviously Russia will do the work of identifying their less capable and older weapons to send them to Syria. These weapons remain useful and appreciated there, and are the cheapest option to give them something in enough amounts for the Syrian soldiers can have something to fight above man-portable weapons. And Russia will replace these less capable weapons with more units of more capable weapons that are today in the orders for procurement.

    I understand what you are intending to say... that Russia has an inventory including a lot of low tech weaponry that could be passed on to partners who have greater need for it and use for it.

    What I am trying to tell you is that a towed AA gun is not a towed AA gun and a light powerful highly mobile mortar is a very useful system even today.

    The ZU-23 is a HMG replacement in some situations where even a 14.5mm KPV is not enough and would still be rather more useful as there is no actual replacement available right now.

    In terms of the 82mm Vasilek there really is no replacement that I am aware of that could do the job for the light weight and high mobility of that system.

    As I mentioned... there are two potential systems that could replace those weapons directly... a trailer mounted single gun... the twin barreled 2A38M cannon (two are fitted to the Tunguska air defence vehicle) would be an improvement in range and power over the ZU-23 yet retain the towed mobility and relatively light weight of the ZU-23.

    An upgrade of the ZU-23 included fitting MANPADS missiles to the mount... the trailer with a 2A38M cannon on it could have an EO ball turret for aiming and tracking purposes and also have four 10km range high speed SOSNA-R missiles fitted to make it even more effective.

    Regarding the 82mm mortar the 57mm grenade launcher seems to pack a powerful punch in a small lightweight system that can fire in a direct fire mode and indirect mode making it as useful as the 82mm Vasilek but with greater HE potential and likely better range performance.

    Replacement by ZSU-23-4 and man portable 120mm mortars is missing the point of these systems.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  eehnie on Sat Dec 10, 2016 3:01 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    Obviously Russia will do the work of identifying their less capable and older weapons to send them to Syria. These weapons remain useful and appreciated there, and are the cheapest option to give them something in enough amounts for the Syrian soldiers can have something to fight above man-portable weapons. And Russia will replace these less capable weapons with more units of more capable weapons that are today in the orders for procurement.

    I understand what you are intending to say... that Russia has an inventory including a lot of low tech weaponry that could be passed on to partners who have greater need for it and use for it.

    What I am trying to tell you is that a towed AA gun is not a towed AA gun and a light powerful highly mobile mortar is a very useful system even today.

    The ZU-23 is a HMG replacement in some situations where even a 14.5mm KPV is not enough and would still be rather more useful as there is no actual replacement available right now.

    In terms of the 82mm Vasilek there really is no replacement that I am aware of that could do the job for the light weight and high mobility of that system.

    As I mentioned... there are two potential systems that could replace those weapons directly... a trailer mounted single gun... the twin barreled 2A38M cannon (two are fitted to the Tunguska air defence vehicle) would be an improvement in range and power over the ZU-23 yet retain the towed mobility and relatively light weight of the ZU-23.

    An upgrade of the ZU-23 included fitting MANPADS missiles to the mount... the trailer with a 2A38M cannon on it could have an EO ball turret for aiming and tracking purposes and also have four 10km range high speed SOSNA-R missiles fitted to make it even more effective.

    Regarding the 82mm mortar the 57mm grenade launcher seems to pack a powerful punch in a small lightweight system that can fire in a direct fire mode and indirect mode making it as useful as the 82mm Vasilek but with greater HE potential and likely better range performance.

    Replacement by ZSU-23-4 and man portable 120mm mortars is missing the point of these systems.

    In this case I can agree with almost all what you said, except in the part of the replacement, where I see an easier replacement.

    What I miss is the answer to the other part.

    eehnie wrote:You can do also the same exercice, and if you find something different you can comment it. It is obvious that Russia will send to Syria the less capable heavy weight weapons in their hands. Which weapons, which warfare would you consider the less capable today in the Russian hands? Why?

    From what I know these would be the options available today for land and air heavy warfare (not exactly the same than 5 years ago):

    Surface-Air Towed: (Gradually replaced by equivalent self propelled weapons)
    ZU-23-2 23mm

    Artillery Towed: (Gradually replaced by equivalent self propelled weapons)
    2B9 Vasilek 82mm
    2A19/29 (M)T-12 100mm
    2A18 D-30 122mm
    2B16 Nona-K 120mm
    2A36 Giatsint-B 152mm
    2A65 Msta-B 152mm

    Surface-Air Self Propelled: (Reserves not satured)
    SA-13
    ZSU-23-4 23mm
    SA-4 without ammunition (missiles)
    SA-6
    SA-8

    Surface-Surface Self Propelled: (Reserves satured)
    BM-21 Grad
    SS-1 Scud
    SS-C-3
    SS-21 Tochka
    BM-27

    Artillery Self Propelled: (Reserves satured)
    2S9 120mm
    2S23 120mm
    2S3 152mm
    2S4 240mm
    2S7 203mm
    2S1 122mm

    Tanks: (Reserves satured)
    T-80 125mm
    T-72 125mm

    Infantry: (Reserves in the point of saturation)
    BTR-60 (not sure if availabe)
    BMD-1
    BTR-70
    BMP-1
    BRDM-2
    BTR-D
    BMD-2

    Interceptor: (Reserves not satured)
    MiG-25
    MiG-31

    Fighters + Fighters Air Superiority: (Reserves not satured)
    MiG-23
    MiG-29/35

    Ground Attack: (Reserves satured)
    Su-25
    MiG-27
    Su-17/20/22
    Su-24

    Strategic Bombers: (Reserves not satured)
    Tu-95
    Tu-22

    Multirole: (Reserves not satured)
    Su-30

    Maritime Patrol: (To be gradually replaced as warfare concept)
    Be-12
    Il-38
    Tu-142

    Combat Helicopters: (To be gradually replaced as warfare concept by equivalent unmanned helicopters)
    Mi-24/25/35
    Mi-14
    Ka-27/28/29/31/32/35
    Mi-28
    Ka-50/52

    Russia has a need of sending good amounts of heavy weapons, and a good part of them will be the weakest, the less capable, the less modern in their inventories. Which would you send them?

    I really understand Russia sending first the ZU-23-2 and the 2B-9 Vasilek, whitout think they are bad weapons. For me also they are the weakest, the less capable, the less modern in the mix. And if the need in Syria is big enough to finnish them (and likely is), they will be finnished in Russia, and Russia will move forward to more modern alternatives. The number of ZU-23-2 in Russia was quantified in 2012 as around 450. Now for sure is significantly lower.

    In the refered to man-portable warfare, far easier for Russia to send to Syria the needed weapons.
    In the refered to non-combat land or air vehicles (that in Syria can be used sometimes for combat roles) also easier for Russia to send to Syria something,


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    Post  GarryB on Sun Dec 11, 2016 10:35 am

    But you are thinking of the ZU-23-2 as an air defence system with the same role as ZSU-23-4 or Tunguska... obviously it will come out badly in such a comparison...

    But the cost of spending several million dollars on a Tunguska as a gate guard or as a HMG replacement in some hill outpost does not make sense.

    the ZU-23-2 is just as much a devastating ground to ground weapon as it is an anti aircraft weapon.

    In fact if the enemy is using drones below about 2000m then it is more practical than MANPADS... cheaper and able to hit very low RCS and low IR targets.

    In terms of dealing with a vehicle base IED it has the raw HE power to smash through light armour so even a heavily armoured truck would be shredded where SVD or even PKM fire would bounce off...

    Like I was trying to say the best replacement for the ZU-23-2 in Russian service would be a twin barrel 30mm cannon in the form of a single 2A38M cannon... one gun with two barrels firing at about 2,000 to 2,500rpm which would make it higher in rate of fire of the ZU-23-2 and with rather more powerful rounds that would be more effective in range and on target performance.

    Notably it would be compatible with the new sensor and timed fuse 30mm ammo which would make it excellent for dealing with drones to about 3km altitude and 4km range.

    A group of drones are a difficult target for a 23mm cannon because they are small and only a hit will generate a spray of fragments... rounds that miss will just continue on their flight.

    In comparison a burst of timed fuse 30mm shells would result in even the rounds not making contact with the drones exploding nearby greatly increasing a chance of a hit and even a small high velocity fragment could ruin a fragile drone...

    Of course the late model ZU-23-2 has MANPAD mounts too so the new 30mm weapon with 4 or 8 high velocity SOSNA-R laser beam riding missiles with a range of 10km and a time to max range of about 12 seconds would be an excellent air defence weapon.

    In terms of the Vasilek, the new 57mm grenade launcher seems to have a very powerful HE round and the capacity should allow guided shells as well along with dumb direct fire munitions likely including HEAT rounds and various other options...

    In terms of the artillery I think the focus should be on calibres... for instance the adoption of the Hosta and widespread adoption of the 120mm mortar, then withdrawl of the 122mm calibre artillery could remove an entire calibre from the inventory... which of course would be valuable in terms of not having to support the calibre... reducing the number of different ammo types makes a lot of sense.

    Regarding your list:


    Surface-Air Towed: (Gradually replaced by equivalent self propelled weapons)
    ZU-23-2 23mm

    I think the likely future will either be a towed trailer with a single barrel 30mm twin barrel and the SOSNA-R SAM, or possibly a single barrel 57mm cannon with a missile on a motorised trailer and an EO turret.


    Artillery Towed: (Gradually replaced by equivalent self propelled weapons)
    2B9 Vasilek 82mm
    2A19/29 (M)T-12 100mm
    2A18 D-30 122mm
    2B16 Nona-K 120mm
    2A36 Giatsint-B 152mm
    2A65 Msta-B 152mm

    First of all towed artillery does not get replaced by self propelled artillery... towed and self propelled are different tools for different roles... there has been self propelled artillery since WWII and there has been towed artillery since well before them... neither will replace the other as each has their own advantages and disadvantages and they are enough to make having both rather useful.

    I would think the 120mm and 152mm weapons will be replaced by new models with new ammo and guidance systems while the 82mm might be replaced with a 57mm grenade launcher and the 100mm and 122mm will eventually become obsolete and replaced in their roles by the 120mm gun/mortars.

    Surface-Air Self Propelled: (Reserves not satured)
    SA-13
    ZSU-23-4 23mm
    SA-4 without ammunition (missiles)
    SA-6
    SA-8

    In some areas these vehicles upgraded are still useful, but old electronics and systems will just get less economic to maintain... the vehicles can be sold for other purposes of course... the SA-13 uses the MTLB chassis which is still very useful for example.

    SA-6 and SA-8 and SA-13 as well as other systems are still used as target drones for air defence units to practise.

    Surface-Surface Self Propelled: (Reserves not satured)
    BM-21 Grad
    SS-1 Scud
    SS-C-3
    SS-21 Tochka
    BM-27

    With new ammo these are useful, but retiring them and sending them to Syria would make new production replacements easier to justify and would be rather more useful. Iskander can directly and completely replace Tochka and of course the new modular rocket system can replace Grad and Smerch and Uragan. Scud is totally obsolete, but in terms of the SS-C-3... anything you can fire at enemy ships is useful as there will be so many targets the more missiles the better... of course new missiles would be better... so use them up as targets...


    Artillery Self Propelled: (Reserves satured)
    2S9 120mm
    2S23 120mm
    2S3 152mm
    2S4 240mm
    2S7 203mm
    2S1 122mm

    The 240mm and 203mm are niche weapons used in specific roles in specific locations with specific units... small scale production of new ammo types would be useful.
    120mm and 152mm are current but the vehicles above are getting obsolete so passing them on to Syria and other allies makes sense as long as they are familiar with the platforms and have ammo.

    the conversion of the 2S1 to 120mm means eliminating the 122mm calibre from the inventory... which is a huge advantage in terms of logistics. In terms of loss of capability the 120mm gun/mortar can use the same guided rounds and otherwise its performance is similar so the loss in actual performance is minimal in most practical terms.

    Tanks: (Reserves satured)
    T-80 125mm
    T-72 125mm

    In the future the removal of the T-80 from the inventory will leave the T-72/90 as the main old technology tank in service with obviously the tank models of the new vehicle families.

    the fact that they all will use the 125mm smoothbore and also later the 152mm smoothbore simplifies development and production of tank ammo so enormous stockpiles can be generated.

    Infantry: (Reserves in the point of saturation)
    BTR-60 (not sure if availabe)
    BTR-70
    BMP-1
    BRDM-2

    You mention these base vehicles but in each motor rifle division and tank division there will be dozens of different variants and versions of these types. It makes sense to replace them all at one time rather than one at a time... so the BTR-60 and BTR-70 and all their modifications can be replaced initially by BTR-82 type variants, but later Boomerang and Typhoon and Kurganets and armata based vehicles can replace them completely.

    BMD-1
    BTR-D
    BMD-2

    These vehicles may soldier on for a bit because the production run of vehicles for the VDV is not super fast it seems. Most BMD-1s and 2s should be replaced by BMD-4Ms and of course the BTR-DM should replace the BTR-D... these platforms are optimised for air dropping so will not be of much use to Russias allies.

    Interceptor: (Reserves not satured)
    MiG-25
    MiG-31

    MiG-31 is still very much a front line interceptor that wont be replaced till mid to late 2020s.

    Fighters + Fighters Air Superiority: (Reserves not satured)
    MiG-23
    MiG-29/35

    Old model MiG-29s are worn out and could be gifted to allies for parts perhaps but the MiG-35 has not even entered service yet. The 23 is obsolete... even a serious upgrade is not worth the money... the amount it would cost you would get a much better aircraft for the same money or less with a MiG-29M2.

    Ground Attack: (Reserves satured)
    Su-25
    Su-24

    The Su-24 is gradually being replaced by the Su-34 but the replacement for the Su-25 does not exist yet and it is a critical aircraft... even more so now it has decent attack helos to cooperate with.

    MiG-27
    Su-17/20/22

    Minor upgrade and gift to Syria... Gefest & T upgrade to enable the accurate use of dumb bombs and rockets and perhaps navigation and ejection seat upgrades... perhaps an engine upgrade too to reduce costs and simplify operations.

    Strategic Bombers: (Reserves not satured)
    Tu-95
    Tu-22

    Right now the Tu-22M3 is the only actual heavy bomber they have as the Tu-95 and Tu-160 are cruise missile carriers.

    Multirole: (Reserves not satured)
    Su-30

    Will remain in service for a decade or more.

    Maritime Patrol: (To be gradually replaced as warfare concept)
    Be-12
    Il-38
    Tu-142

    The UK has been caught with its pants down without ASW aircraft... the Russians are not stupid enough to make the same mistake. UAVs are improving but wont replace MPAs any time soon. They will in fact make them much more capable but wont actually replace them.

    Combat Helicopters: (To be gradually replaced as warfare concept by equivalent unmanned helicopters)
    Mi-24/25/35
    Mi-14
    Ka-27/28/29/31/32/35
    Mi-28
    Ka-50/52

    An unmanned helicopter would be a useless piece of crap.

    the idea of unmanned is to make it expendable so you can use it in situations and places you would not want to risk a human. You wont put super sophisticated sensors and weapons on something expendable so it wont be as effective as a manned system.

    Of the types mentioned above the Mi-14 will likely go back into production and the rest will continue to be useful for some time.

    Just my opinion of course.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  calm on Sun Dec 11, 2016 10:56 am

    #Russia|n #SpecOps involved in #Palmyra battle providing target designation for #RuAF airstrikes against #ISIS
    - http://rusvesna.su/news/1481420239
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Dec 11, 2016 12:42 pm

    calm wrote:
    #Russia|n #SpecOps involved in #Palmyra battle providing target designation for #RuAF airstrikes against #ISIS
    - http://rusvesna.su/news/1481420239


    Reposted picture. There are voices that accuse people of inside Tadmur of talking ISIS inside the premises. While I thoroughly believe that, it's also a matter of unpreparedness of the NDF inside the perimeter.

    Also decision from Russian Command to get their people out and followed by SAA only facilitated this result. Also I've seen no pictures of the reinforcement convoy that was ambushed close to Qaratayn two days ago.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

    Post  auslander on Sun Dec 11, 2016 2:03 pm

    Looks to me like a photo of a training op at the sand dunes just north of Yevpatorya Beach. That's how much one can ID from this reposted photo.

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