Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #11

0nillie0 wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

I am looking forward to news of random Israeli/USA jets bombing SAA scum again.

This bullshit demands at least 100 dead SAA vermin per one dead Russian. Realistic number would be 1.000 but since this is a war they can get a line of credit. Hopefully USMC and IAF will redeem the coupon for 10.000 down the road.

Well for me this part is also problematic. If you cant understand THAT, then i also cant explain any further.

But all entitled to his own opinions.

Simple.

Russians should gather up all those who fled, put the bullet in their skulls, film it and post it online as a warning to other idiots who might try to do the same.

But since that would hurt some local feelings then USAF and IAF might as well pick up the slack in a different way, it's all good.

ultimatewarrior wrote:Like I said, Russia could have ended the war by now by deploying thousands of ground forces backed up by long range artillery, long range recon planes, counter battery radars..

And who is going to Pay for that?  You ?
You think money grow in trees? Russia is not an economic super power dude.
As it have been said  a million of times to you , the conflict in Syria is a NATO/gulf terror states/Israel proxy war on Russia ,and they have infinite more resources to keep the conflict
going for many decades. Not Even US could last a decade with a big army in vietnam ,iRAQ
or korea. 3 trillions dollars americans wasted in IRAQ invasion. You think Russia have such money?  The war will not end with the defeat of the Rebels in Syria. Russia also will need
to fight Israel army, Turkey army ,jordanian army and American coalition forces too.
IF you move to the borders of any of those nations ,neighbors of Syria they will bomb you across border or with their airforce. and RUssia is not yet enthusiastic to start a world war 3 with many countries in defense of a nation that is bankrupt and Russia needs to finance them and even feed them, a country of muslins that Russians will not like their own needs to be
sacrificed for middle east. . Russia have a responsibility with 140millions of Russian citizens more than with Syrians. So any decision taken needs to take account the economy of Russia. Wars is not just sending army..and problem solved. this is only hollywood. In wars Economy also matters. IF Russia send a large army with 100 or a thousand tanks to Syria , it will be like the Afgan -soviets war. Where Russia won all the battles but in the end ,after a decade of war and thousands of Russians soldiers killed ,they had to retreat because of this $$$ ,it could not finance more the war. So they lost in the end for not taking into account the economic side of the war. and then Russia have the Ukraine frontline too.. So Americans wants to create a vietnam for Russia. they could start another front line in Serbia ,create another war there forcing Russia to interfere . Russia needs to help Syria without sending a major army ,or wasting more money they can.Already Russia operation cost half a billion dollars every year. or near $600 millions every year. last numbers i saw. this is not a small money for Russia economy.  Delaying the conflict and promoting dialogue  ,while holding the major cities and bleeding the rebels that needs large armies to do any offensive is the most practical way to win the war. Until now Russia operations have given some results. You see this cease of fires the rebels gets tired of fighting and simply give up.  

and in some other case , Russia managed to incite two terrorist groups to fight each other so they don't need to even fight them ,they kill each other. this is the best tactic by far. most effective one of all. To divide terrorist and force them to fight each other.

So Russia and Syria army actions in Syria ,even though incredibly painfully slow , and even
embarrassing at time ,are working in little by little clear the cities. Now Americans with their Saudi friends are seeking to push harder now ,with more reinforcements to restart the jihadist offensive.  So US,NATO,Saudis ,TUrkey ,Israel are getting a small vietnan in Syria. But if Russia sends a large army it will be the other way. and while Syria conflict is frozen ,the American and european citizens at home will become more and more informed of the dirty war going on there. and it will only create more bad public opinion against politicians supporting Saudi Arabia war. Trump image is now falling big time. So he will be unable to continue justify the war and support for Saudis is a major protest start against the war. Russia plan is not perfect ,is very slow but is the only way Russia could afford to help Syria. any major full invasion of Syria as you want with thousands of tanks will only get Russia into a military conflict with all the US coalition and border nations of Syria.

What Putin should do instead ,is to completely end Russia economy dependence on oil energy First and collapse Saudi Arabia economy so they will be unable to finance any more terrorist. and if invent a new form of energy ,that completely replace Oil , then it will collapse Saudi Arabia economy and end US dollar value. Something like that will end the US empire and end terrorism sponsorship from middle east, since they all will be broken. bankrupt. No longer middle east will matter, and the pipeline no longer needed ,since no body will use Oil anymore.
Russia needs to attack the energy business used by its enemies to finance terrorism or blackmail nations. and replace it by another. lets say nuclear energy ,hydrogen cars. solar cars.
etc. that will sink Middle east energy for terrorist business ,and US economy ,since no longer Dollars will be used to buy energy. then the wars for oil or natural gas pipelines will end.

Vann7 wrote:

ultimatewarrior wrote:Like I said, Russia could have ended the war by now by deploying thousands of ground forces backed up by long range artillery, long range recon planes, counter battery radars..

And who is going to Pay for that?  You ?
You think money grow in trees? Russia is not an economic super power dude.
As it have been said  a million of times to you , the conflict in Syria is a NATO/gulf terror states/Israel proxy war on Russia ,and they have infinite more resources to keep the conflict
going for many decades. Not Even US could last a decade with a big army in vietnam ,iRAQ
or korea. 3 trillions dollars americans wasted in IRAQ invasion. You think Russia have such money?  The war will not end with the defeat of the Rebels in Syria. Russia also will need
to fight Israel army, Turkey army ,jordanian army and American coalition forces too.
IF you move to the borders of any of those nations ,neighbors of Syria they will bomb you across border or with their airforce. and RUssia is not yet enthusiastic to start a world war 3 with many countries in defense of a nation that is bankrupt and Russia needs to finance them . Russia have a responsibility with 140millions of Russian citizens more than with Syrians. So any decision taken needs to take account the economy of Russia. Wars is not just sending army..
and problem solved. this is only hollywood. In wars Economy also matters. IF Russia send a large army with 100 or a thousand tanks to Syria , it will be like the Afgan -soviets war.
Where Russia won all the battles but in the end ,after a decade of war and thousands of Russians soldiers killed ,they had to retreat. So Americans wants to create a vietnam for Russia. and Russia needs to help Syria without sending a major army ,or wasting too much money. Delaying the conflict ,while holding the major cities and bleeding the rebels that needs large armies to do any offensive is the most practical way to win the war. Saudis ,NATO and TUrkey ,Israel are getting a vietnan in Syria. But if Russia sends a large army it will be the other way.

Spot on Vann. Note how even the mighty US is having to fight the war in Syria using proxies. Just imagine the effect in the US of the casualties that the SDF are taking (note which we never hear about) if they were US troops dying. The US has not won a war for a very long time and I can't see it winning either in Syria or Afghanistan let alone against a 'proper' country like Iran.

PapaDragon wrote:

0nillie0 wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

I am looking forward to news of random Israeli/USA jets bombing SAA scum again.

This bullshit demands at least 100 dead SAA vermin per one dead Russian. Realistic number would be 1.000 but since this is a war they can get a line of credit. Hopefully USMC and IAF will redeem the coupon for 10.000 down the road.

Well for me this part is also problematic. If you cant understand THAT, then i also cant explain any further.

But all entitled to his own opinions.

Simple.

Russians should gather up all those who fled, put the bullet in their skulls, film it and post it online as a warning to other idiots who might try to do the same.

But since that would hurt some local feelings then USAF and IAF might as well pick up the slack in a different way, it's all good.

SAA is a Russia's proxy army in Syria. If Russia do that to SAA, then SAA join FSA and slaughter every Russian in Syria and cause Russia spring in Russia. Every major Russian city would be bombed. Millions die. Is that what you would like to see in Russia? Be careful what you wish for.

Vann7 wrote:

ultimatewarrior wrote:Like I said, Russia could have ended the war by now by deploying thousands of ground forces backed up by long range artillery, long range recon planes, counter battery radars..

And who is going to Pay for that?  You ?
You think money grow in trees? Russia is not an economic super power dude.
As it have been said  a million of times to you , the conflict in Syria is a NATO/gulf terror states/Israel proxy war on Russia ,and they have infinite more resources to keep the conflict
going for many decades. Not Even US could last a decade with a big army in vietnam ,iRAQ
or korea. 3 trillions dollars americans wasted in IRAQ invasion. You think Russia have such money?  The war will not end with the defeat of the Rebels in Syria. Russia also will need
to fight Israel army, Turkey army ,jordanian army and American coalition forces too.
IF you move to the borders of any of those nations ,neighbors of Syria they will bomb you across border or with their airforce. and RUssia is not yet enthusiastic to start a world war 3 with many countries in defense of a nation that is bankrupt and Russia needs to finance them . Russia have a responsibility with 140millions of Russian citizens more than with Syrians. So any decision taken needs to take account the economy of Russia. Wars is not just sending army..
and problem solved. this is only hollywood. In wars Economy also matters. IF Russia send a large army with 100 or a thousand tanks to Syria , it will be like the Afgan -soviets war.
Where Russia won all the battles but in the end ,after a decade of war and thousands of Russians soldiers killed ,they had to retreat because of this $$$ ,it could not finance more the war. So they lost in the end for not taking into account the economic side of the war. and then Russia have the Ukraine frontline too.. So Americans wants to create a vietnam for Russia. they could start another front line in Serbia ,create another war there forcing Russia to interfere . Russia needs to help Syria without sending a major army ,or wasting more money they can.
Already Russia operation cost half a billion dollars every year. or near $600 millions every year.
last numbers i saw. this is not a small money for Russia economy.  Delaying the conflict and promoting dialogue  ,while holding the major cities and bleeding the rebels that needs large armies to do any offensive is the most practical way to win the war. Until now Russia operations have given some results. You see this cease of fires the rebels gets tired of fighting
and simply give up.   and in some other case , Russia managed to incite two terrorist groups to fight each other so they don't need to waste their energies or risk their lives..  
So Russia and Syria army actions in Syria ,even though incredibly slow are working in little by
little clear the cities. Now Americans with their Saudi friends are seeking to push harder now ,with more reinforcements to restart the jihadist offensive.  So US,NATO,Saudis ,TUrkey ,Israel are getting a small vietnan in Syria. But if Russia sends a large army it will be the other way.
and while Syria conflict is frozen ,the American and european citizens at home will become more and more informed of the dirty war going on there. and it will only create more bad public opinion against politicians supporting Saudi Arabia war. Trump image is now falling big time.
So he will be unable to continue justify the war and support for Saudis is a major protest start
against the war. Russia plan is not perfect ,is very slow but is the only way Russia could afford
to help Syria. any major full invasion of Syria as you want with thousands of tanks will only
get Russia into a military conflict with all the US coalition and border nations of Syria.

What Putin should do instead ,is to completely end Russia economy dependence on oil energy First and collapse Saudi Arabia economy so they will be unable to finance any more terrorist. and if invent a new form of energy ,that completely replace Oil , then it will collapse Saudi Arabia economy and end US dollar value.  

Who's going to pay for that? How much did Hitler pay to slaughter millions of Russians?

Interesting Russian 2* in Syria

monitoring‏ @warsmonitoring May 21

Commander of 106th Guards Airborne Division, General Major Glushenkov Dmitry Valeryevich with head of LiwaAlQudus colonel Samer Jafar, Homs

ultimatewarrior wrote:

Who's going to pay for that? How much did Hitler pay to slaughter millions of Russians?

Hitler lost the war in case you didn't knew.. he did exactly what you want Russia to do.
Throw all he have to the battle field and he then ended with a war of Attrition that bleed
his economy and army. Napoleon also lost this way . Russia is good is winning wars ,by delaying
the fights when they were not prepared to fight . Choosing the time when to fight .But fortunately the enemies are not invading Russia now. and Russia is not deploying a big army in Syria ,they can't finance for long.   IF Russia do what you want , it will end fighting All syria neighbors who provide weapons to ISIS in no time. and thats is a bigger war.

it will also be a huge mistake that Russia shows all the military capabilities they have.
all their technology so that NATO learn how to counter it later. Russia best weapons needs
to be used in a major confrontation with NATO only ,and if possible only with US. to surprise
their enemies and not become a predictable army.

Azov rejoining the Syrian Express. Not been out of the Black Sea since last August. Clearly the workrate is taking its toll.

One of the much loved (by the Syria population for its grain carrying) Russian axillary ships Dvinitsa-50 bought in for the job, definitely looking a lot worse for wear.

Another, a couple of days ago

JohninMK wrote:Interesting Russian 2* in Syria

monitoring‏ @warsmonitoring May 21

Commander of 106th Guards Airborne Division, General Major Glushenkov Dmitry Valeryevich with head of LiwaAlQudus colonel Samer Jafar, Homs



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After this one is left for dead by the "allies" how long will public have to wait until learning about it?

Last two died on May 3rd. That was 20 days ago. News about it leaked only yesterday!

This is not couple of days delay to notify the families. This is staring to reek of coverup in the name of preserving reputation (lol) of SAA.

Why isn't public informed about this on time and why are bodies of dead servicemen being sneaked back into the country like they are some dirty little secret?

Were they even given proper military burial at least? Were their families allowed to bury them in their uniforms?

Looks like somebody is reading from Afghanistan playbook again. Spoiler: it did not work back then and it will not work now.

If Russia deployed Zoopark counter battery radars in northern Hama, that Grad launcher would have been destroyed a long time ago, and those two servicemen didn't have to die when terrorists used their Grad launcher to shell Helfaya. Terrorists reported two Russian servicemen KIA shortly after they shelled Helfaya with their Grad launcher. Not deploying Zoopark was responsible for the deaths. I said a long time ago they should have deployed Zoopark, but Putin refuses because he is working for Israel to perpetuate the war in Syria rather than ending it with Russian superior technology. Russia has counter battery radars. Terrorists don't. Russia does not use it, because using it will quickly end the war. Putin is a big Israel fan. The only reason Russia is in Syria is to perpetuate the war for Israel.

https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/859760139380953088

https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/859769912331579392

PapaDragon wrote:

This is not couple of days delay to notify the families. This is staring to reek of coverup in the name of preserving reputation (lol) of SAA.

Why isn't public informed about this on time and why are bodies of dead servicemen being sneaked back into the country like they are some dirty little secret?

Were they even given proper military burial at least? Were their families allowed to bury them in their uniforms?

Looks like somebody is reading from Afghanistan playbook again. Spoiler: it did not work back then and it will not work now.

Sounds more like Ukraine than Afghanistan.
I remember like it was yesterday that losses by Soviets in A-stan weren't hidden.
My father served there and I have family members who came back as gruz 200.
There was no cover up.
But here Ukraine, both sides have dead people with bones in the fields, "MIA" or resting in unmarked grave...

And if Syria falls, Russia will be next. And you will see ghost cities, bombed out buildings, millions dead in Russia. Is that what you would like to see in Russia? Because that's exactly what will happen if Syria falls.

How do you work that out?

Libya fell to anarchy but Russia was not invaded.

If Syria falls Russia wont be invaded either.

Syria wont fall... now it is strong enough to deal with ISIS.

SAA is a Russia's proxy army in Syria. If Russia do that to SAA, then SAA join FSA and slaughter every Russian in Syria and cause Russia spring in Russia. Every major Russian city would be bombed. Millions die. Is that what you would like to see in Russia? Be careful what you wish for.

WTF are you talking about?

Why should the SAA object to deserters being shot? They do that in war you know... shoot deserters... for cowardice.

It is a thing.

In fact the romans had a thing called decimation where a unit guilty of cowardice in battle was lined up and one in every ten were killed on the spot... the remainder were sent straight back into battle...

And BTW how exactly could the SAA kill millions of Russians in Russian cities?

Are you drunk?

If Russia deployed Zoopark counter battery radars in northern Hama, that Grad launcher would have been destroyed a long time ago, and those two servicemen didn't have to die when terrorists used their Grad launcher to shell Helfaya.

Even if they had artillery radar it does not stop rockets in flight. If the enemy move every time they fire artillery radar lets you shell the places the enemy just fired from... which is totally bloody useless.

Worse it can be used by the enemy to get you to shell schools and hospitals by firing from such locations and then moving and then setting up the cameras for live pictures of the evil Russians shelling innocent civilians.

Either way those rockets fired are still fired and still land on target and kill.

Being able to track them does not stop them from killing.

And enemy guerilla force operating within a civilian area held hostage can't just be shelled indiscriminately if you want the civilians on your side.

Exclusive: Photographs Show Russian Air Force Supporting Syrian Army on Al-Tanf Front
http://russia-insider.com/en/military/exclusive-photographs-show-russian-air-force-supporting-syrian-army-al-tanf-front/ri19910#.WSRGeTNt0GU.twitter

Mi-35, Mi-24, TOS-1A, Msta-B 152mm howitzer, Artillery tractor "Bear" on the chassis KamAZ-63501, BTR-82A

And here is massive photo album of Russians in Syria.

OPEN ME:

100 trucks of American weapons reached Kurds. Russia needs to take note. Stop being so picky not arming SAA. Give them some T-72B.

https://southfront.org/100-trucks-us-weapons-kurdish-forces-arrived-syria-turkish-media/

calm wrote:Exclusive: Photographs Show Russian Air Force Supporting Syrian Army on Al-Tanf Front
http://russia-insider.com/en/military/exclusive-photographs-show-russian-air-force-supporting-syrian-army-al-tanf-front/ri19910#.WSRGeTNt0GU.twitter

Mi-35, Mi-24, TOS-1A, Msta-B 152mm howitzer, Artillery tractor "Bear" on the chassis KamAZ-63501, BTR-82A

It was apparent from the start, that the SAA would not do this without the help and approval of Russia.

calm wrote:Exclusive: Photographs Show Russian Air Force Supporting Syrian Army on Al-Tanf Front
http://russia-insider.com/en/military/exclusive-photographs-show-russian-air-force-supporting-syrian-army-al-tanf-front/ri19910#.WSRGeTNt0GU.twitter

Mi-35, Mi-24, TOS-1A, Msta-B 152mm howitzer, Artillery tractor "Bear" on the chassis KamAZ-63501, BTR-82A

According to that article, the VKS is testing the newer version of the MI 35.

par far wrote:
According to that article, the VKS is testing the newer version of the MI 35.

Interesting. Article stated that mi-35 is recognizable By non-retractable landing gear. I didn't know that. Why non-retractable? Wouldn't retractable would be preferable because of better protection?

BKP wrote:

par far wrote:
According to that article, the VKS is testing the newer version of the MI 35.

Interesting. Article stated that mi-35 is recognizable By non-retractable landing gear. I didn't know that. Why non-retractable? Wouldn't retractable would be preferable because of better protection?

First weight reduction as no need for retracting hydraulics and second for case of emergency landing it will land on landing gear, which will absorb some of landing shock. But this new version of Mi-35 is equipped with new RWR and MAWS sensors on the wing ends and with DIRCM complex.

calm wrote:And here is massive photo album of Russians in Syria.
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These pics are pure gold and some of them are masterpieces of trolling on geopolitical scale.

But these stand out for me:

These guys probably look exactly the same as these smilies:



A guy who will get sued by Apple corporation



And this:

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Sandstorm, sucidal maniacs like them because of cover they provide.
SSO on watch around Palmyra during one...





East Palmyra CAS

Russians

Gaz Tigar and BPM-9( KAMAZ 43269/Vystrel), Mi-35, Mi-24 and Mi-8MTSh