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    AlfaT8
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    History of the Russian/Soviet navy

    Post  AlfaT8 on Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:53 pm

    I am surprised there isn't a dedicated thread for the history of the Russian/Soviet navy, so i decided to make one.
    Let's start with a documentary from the 70s.


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    P 3 Orion vs soviet navy

    Post  nastle77 on Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:38 am

    During the cold war how much of a threat was the p 3 Orion to the Soviet submarines and surface Naval forces especially considering over a hundred were deployed by the Japanese self-defense Force and other allies on in the periphery of soviet naval bases
    What strategy did the Soviets have to counter this ?

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    Re: History of the Russian/Soviet navy

    Post  GarryB on Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:36 am

    Orions are capable aircraft and were deployed in large numbers but by the 1980s the SSBNs could operate so far away from their targets they should be safe from any enemy interference...

    Even a light fighter would be a serious threat to an Orion so MiG-31s operating nearby would be a very serious threat...


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    Re: History of the Russian/Soviet navy

    Post  nastle77 on Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:39 pm

    Indeed I think the su 15 would be sufficent provided they have the range
    How did the P3 typically operate ? In groups or singly? Did they always have escort fighters ?

    Were the orions equipped for ASUW during the cold war ?

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    During the late cold war era

    Post  nastle77 on Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:41 pm

    During the late cold war era , were the soviet ASW subs like Victor and Alfa classes able to also capable of ASUW ?
    I think the type 53 and type 65 torpedoes should be effective against all kinds of ships ?
    Did they have a chance of sinking ASROC equipped ships? Did the type 53 and 65 torpedoes outrange ASROC ?

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    Re: History of the Russian/Soviet navy

    Post  GarryB on Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:51 am

    Indeed I think the su 15 would be sufficent provided they have the range

    Pretty much any armed fighter aircraft would be sufficient to bring down such an aircraft... comparable to a civilian airliner or transport type.

    How did the P3 typically operate ? In groups or singly? Did they always have escort fighters ?

    Almost always on their own though potentially in WWIII they might have carrier fighter escort.

    The P-3 that landed in China due to collision with chinese escort aircraft was on its own for example.

    Were the orions equipped for ASUW during the cold war ?

    I believe they could carry air launched Harpoon, but would be rather vulnerable in such a role...

    Did they have a chance of sinking ASROC equipped ships? Did the type 53 and 65 torpedoes outrange ASROC ?

    ASROC had a range of about 20km, Type 65 could hit targets at 50km plus.

    Late model Type 53 torpedoes have a range of about 20km, but I rather suspect it would be easier to find a ship 20km away than a sub unless the sub is moving at top speed....



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    Harpoon missile

    Post  nastle77 on Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:30 pm

    When the harpoon missile became widespread in the 80s it must have been a huge threat for soviet navy
    What tactics and weapons did it rely on to defeat them and judging by evidence availAble how successful they would have been?
    Which soviet naval SAMs can counter harpoon with realistic chances of success ?
    The larger soviet ships had several gating guns did they constitute a credible defence ?
    Did Soviets have a capability to use ECM against harpoon as it was a active radar homing weapon ?

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    Re: History of the Russian/Soviet navy

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:17 am

    The defences of Soviet navy vessels were optimised to defeat their own wide range of anti ship weapons... so the only virtue of the Harpoon was its numbers and I honestly don't think in this case it would have been that decisive as they had a lot of engagement channels to defeat enemy air threats.


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    Re: History of the Russian/Soviet navy

    Post  nastle77 on Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:51 am

    GarryB wrote:The defences of Soviet navy vessels were optimised to defeat their own wide range of anti ship weapons... so the only virtue of the Harpoon was its numbers and I honestly don't think in this case it would have been that decisive as they had a lot of engagement channels to defeat enemy air threats.
    But didn't the harpoon proved invulnerable to all soviet SAM and CIWS?

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