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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:56 pm

    Ispan wrote:Short update. Links in Russian, use google translate.
    New tactical advances that confirm the weakenss of the enemy. Two days ago the ukrops gave up without fight outposts in the Svetlodarsk arc. There's video to confirm it.
    Today in Donetsk sector another 500 meter advance that straigthens the front and removes a wedge, near Peski, NW of the city.
    No longer a couple of isolated incidents, seems to fit with a weakening  of Ukrainian defense lines, either from scarcity of troops, or lack of will to fight, or both
    http://antimaydan.info/2017/08/_810036.html
    Hard ukrainian attacks in the coastal sector, several breakthrough attempts
    http://antimaydan.info/2017/08/_810045.html


    Confirming shortages of troops, Ucrainian police are told to volunteer for a tour of duty in the front or be fired, and a new call up of recruits for National Guard

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    Good news, probably related to this:

    Ukraine hollows out

    Since independence and especially since the Maidan coup Ukraine has experienced a population collapse unprecedented in post Second World War Europe......


    http://theduran.com/ukraine-hollows-out/

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Thu Aug 10, 2017 4:52 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Ispan wrote:Short update. Links in Russian, use google translate.
    New tactical advances that confirm the weakenss of the enemy. Two days ago the ukrops gave up without fight outposts in the Svetlodarsk arc. There's video to confirm it.
    Today in Donetsk sector another 500 meter advance that straigthens the front and removes a wedge, near Peski, NW of the city.
    No longer a couple of isolated incidents, seems to fit with a weakening  of Ukrainian defense lines, either from scarcity of troops, or lack of will to fight, or both
    http://antimaydan.info/2017/08/_810036.html
    Hard ukrainian attacks in the coastal sector, several breakthrough attempts
    http://antimaydan.info/2017/08/_810045.html


    Confirming shortages of troops, Ucrainian police are told to volunteer for a tour of duty in the front or be fired, and a new call up of recruits for National Guard

    «


    Good news, probably related to this:

    Ukraine hollows out

    Since independence and especially since the Maidan coup Ukraine has experienced a population collapse unprecedented in post Second World War Europe......


    http://theduran.com/ukraine-hollows-out/



    Unprecedented would be Russia's considerable population loss during the 1990's and 2000's.

    There are presently close to two million Ukrainian pseudo-refugees in Poland alone. In the city of Wroclaw they allegedly make around 10% of the population, and that is one of the largest cities in Poland.

    If the current Ukraine experiences some population loss, but if they eventually take over a large chunk of Poland, then it is not such a bad deal for them. That is apparently the aim here.

    I think the article tries to make look Ukraine weaker than it is. It shows only part of the story.

    The truth is that it is Poland that is Ukraine's vassal state not the other way around


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:01 am

    Odin of Ossetia wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Ispan wrote:Short update. Links in Russian, use google translate.
    New tactical advances that confirm the weakenss of the enemy. Two days ago the ukrops gave up without fight outposts in the Svetlodarsk arc. There's video to confirm it.
    Today in Donetsk sector another 500 meter advance that straigthens the front and removes a wedge, near Peski, NW of the city.
    No longer a couple of isolated incidents, seems to fit with a weakening  of Ukrainian defense lines, either from scarcity of troops, or lack of will to fight, or both
    http://antimaydan.info/2017/08/_810036.html
    Hard ukrainian attacks in the coastal sector, several breakthrough attempts
    http://antimaydan.info/2017/08/_810045.html


    Confirming shortages of troops, Ucrainian police are told to volunteer for a tour of duty in the front or be fired, and a new call up of recruits for National Guard

    «


    Good news, probably related to this:

    Ukraine hollows out

    Since independence and especially since the Maidan coup Ukraine has experienced a population collapse unprecedented in post Second World War Europe......


    http://theduran.com/ukraine-hollows-out/



    Unprecedented would be Russia's considerable population loss during the 1990's and 2000's.

    There are presently close to two million Ukrainian pseudo-refugees in Poland alone. In the city of Wroclaw they allegedly make around 10% of the population, and that is one of the largest cities in Poland.

    If the current Ukraine experiences some population loss, but if they eventually take over a large chunk of Poland, then it is not such a bad deal for them. That is apparently the aim here.

    I think the article tries to make look Ukraine weaker than it is. It shows only part of the story.

    Majority of Ukraine population that left isn't in Poland. Add to that, these are a mixture of political and mostly economical refugees. This is not some grand strategy of Ukraine, because as evident of what is happening in the Rada, they do not have a strategy on replacing toilet paper in the stalls of the washroom. That is if they can even obtain toilet paper.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:11 am

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Odin of Ossetia wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Ispan wrote:Short update. Links in Russian, use google translate.
    New tactical advances that confirm the weakenss of the enemy. Two days ago the ukrops gave up without fight outposts in the Svetlodarsk arc. There's video to confirm it.
    Today in Donetsk sector another 500 meter advance that straigthens the front and removes a wedge, near Peski, NW of the city.
    No longer a couple of isolated incidents, seems to fit with a weakening  of Ukrainian defense lines, either from scarcity of troops, or lack of will to fight, or both
    http://antimaydan.info/2017/08/_810036.html
    Hard ukrainian attacks in the coastal sector, several breakthrough attempts
    http://antimaydan.info/2017/08/_810045.html


    Confirming shortages of troops, Ucrainian police are told to volunteer for a tour of duty in the front or be fired, and a new call up of recruits for National Guard

    «


    Good news, probably related to this:

    Ukraine hollows out

    Since independence and especially since the Maidan coup Ukraine has experienced a population collapse unprecedented in post Second World War Europe......


    http://theduran.com/ukraine-hollows-out/



    Unprecedented would be Russia's considerable population loss during the 1990's and 2000's.

    There are presently close to two million Ukrainian pseudo-refugees in Poland alone. In the city of Wroclaw they allegedly make around 10% of the population, and that is one of the largest cities in Poland.

    If the current Ukraine experiences some population loss, but if they eventually take over a large chunk of Poland, then it is not such a bad deal for them. That is apparently the aim here.

    I think the article tries to make look Ukraine weaker than it is. It shows only part of the story.

    Majority of Ukraine population that left isn't in Poland.  Add to that, these are a mixture of political and mostly economical refugees.  This is not some grand strategy of Ukraine, because as evident of what is happening in the Rada, they do not have a strategy on replacing toilet paper in the stalls of the washroom.  That is if they can even obtain toilet paper.



    What that bull-shit article fails to say is:


    1) Ethnic Ukrainians are very influential in Poland. They are not some push around immigrants like some attempt to portray them as. They can murder you and literally get away with it; it is the German-Ukrainian mafia known as the "Civic Platform" which enjoys very heavy support from the EU leadership. They are heavily present in Poland's so-called "justice" system.

    2) It is Poland that pays for the higher education of 25 000 Ukrainian students. Polish students do not get paid for any education in Ukraine.

    3) They bring their kids to Poland, and even if they are illegally the Polish government pays them money for these kids as if these were real citizens.

    4) Polish government also pays lots of money to the Ukrainian government, Poland does not get anything in exchange.

    5) Erection of illegal Ukrainian nationalist monuments in Poland, totally tolerated by the consecutive Polish governments, while the legal monument to the ethnic Polish victims of the UPA and SS from the Huta Pieniacka recently was destroyed.

    6) Polish military has also dispatched various equipment to its Ukrainian counterpart, of course Poland also got nothing in exchange.



    So who do you think is the real vassal here?

    I think the articles is very misleading.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:00 am

    Well, that is up to the Polish people to try and get rid of these stupid social programs that benefit Ukrainians but not the locals.

    It is one of those face saving measures in hopes to get intelligent works from Ukraine into Poland when we all know that doesn't end up as the case.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:58 am

    Without wanting to go o/t too much, Poland is not a vassal of Ukraine, it is, like the rest of Europe and Ukraine itself, a US vassal. I doubt very much that the Ukrainians now in Poland went there under any instruction from the Government, they are primarily self motivated economic migrants.

    The big problem this is causing to Ukraine is that it is its working age population that is leaving (heading east as well as west), that is the tax payers, with the young and the old, dependant on the State, left behind. This is not a sustainable business plan for a country.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:16 am

    The UN Office for Refugees states that 586,000 Ukrainians living in the conflict zone in the Donbass do not receive pensions and social benefits that they are eligible for.

    "586 thousand citizens of Ukraine living in the conflict zone have not received pensions and social benefits since the beginning of last year. The UNHCR urges Ukrainian authorities to ensure the payments to all citizens, regardless of where they live, "- said in a statement on the UN website.

    Earlier, the OSCE reported of 59 killed civilians in the Donbas since early 2017.


    http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/08/un-590000-eligible-residents-of-donbass.html
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Aug 14, 2017 4:32 am

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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:00 am

    Same partially with Iran too. Although, most are knockoff of Scud missiles but with multiple adjustments and tech.

    I would say that Ukraine sold most of its knowledge that was build for them by the Russian government. But hey, all of this will be swept under the carpet anyway.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:36 am

    JohninMK wrote: The UN Office for Refugees states that 586,000 Ukrainians living in the conflict zone in the Donbass do not receive pensions and social benefits that they are eligible for.

    "586 thousand citizens of Ukraine living in the conflict zone have not received pensions and social benefits since the beginning of last year. The UNHCR urges Ukrainian authorities to ensure the payments to all citizens, regardless of where they live, "- said in a statement on the UN website.

    Earlier, the OSCE reported of 59 killed civilians in the Donbas since early 2017.


    http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/08/un-590000-eligible-residents-of-donbass.html


    John buddy, can you do me a favor?

    I noticed that photo on Ukraine tread on The Mess so could you please ask our old acquaintance Drax how he feels about it? And please do the same once Assareen crawls out of his hole. They all gone silent once it was posted but as usual, they resurfaced​ once they felt that coast is clear.

    Shame for them to miss opportunity to give their opinion



    I don't feel like opening account there. Thanks in advance.  thumbsup

    Also, for the curious, we are taking about this lovely bunch of human perfection:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/36th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  Karbafoz on Tue Aug 15, 2017 5:45 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:And please do the same once Assareen crawls out of his hole. They all gone silent once it was posted but as usual, they resurfaced​ once they felt that coast is clear.
    Asheren seems to be busy studying Savchenko's diet. nemipuka had picked up his banner in the Russia-related threads there.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  JohninMK on Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:25 pm

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  JohninMK on Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:28 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:


    The guy in front must be praying that his buddy behind him does not open fire, shattering his eardrum.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:31 pm

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:17 pm


    Well of course he was, it's called ''plausible deniability'' Very Happy

    Ukrainian Military Says Agent Detained in Crimea Was Dismissed From Army in May

    https://sputniknews.com/europe/201708151056488993-ukrainian-agent-dismissed-army/

    ...."According to preliminary data, this was a citizen of Ukraine that served in one of the units of Ukraine’s Land Forces. In May, he was dismissed … for professional incompetence of this former serviceman," Venskovych said, as quoted by the UNIAN news agency....

    They probably had a vision of the future... lol1

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  ATLASCUB on Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:56 pm

    Tomorrow is a big day. Porky already running his mouth.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:36 pm



    Probably US and NATO will be using Ukraine to test Russian weapons capabilities ,
    versus NATO ones. As evil they are , thinking how they think , they will be fools to
    not take advantage ,that Russia supply modern weapons to Donetsk and volunteers also there.
    So i think they will be testing how Russia respond to lethal weapons , like for example Javelin missiles.. or Lazer weapons and all that stuff.. Russia and donetsk should keep the NATO forces
    as far as possible from the front line.. With high range mortars that can't be detected by satellite.
    But also high range artillery. and throwing mines.. so creating a no go zone.. that they could use to engage in direct fire with Donetsk forces. Raining lots of mortars and artillery over their heads is the way to push those NATO soldiers testing Russia response away.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  GarryB on Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:46 am

    Where are they going to get high range mortars that can't be detected by satellite?

    Are you suggesting that the Ukrainians in east Ukraine should target NATO troops?


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  JohninMK on Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:12 am

    Very little chance of any advanced weapons (don't include the Javelin in this catagory) being passed over to UA to use, worth too much money in a 'captured by enemy' opportunity like those mortar radars. If operated by US/NATO there is too much risk of counter battery fire.

    Can't see any chance of any weapon 'testing'. That is called WW3.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:25 am

    http://ren.tv/novosti/2017-08-28/ssha-eto-ne-po-silam-pushkov-otvetil-na-izolyaciyu-rossii-volknera

    Essentially, Volkner claimed that Russia is freezing the situation in east Ukraine and that this will cause US to freeze all diplomatic relations with Russia and that it will Isolate Russia. In this case, Pushkov says that is unlikely. But my take of it is that Volkner can only make noise cause he is a nobody with no real part in the Minsk agreements. All he is doing is pandering to the Ukies but the good thing is, that with the US creating a mess with the whole situation, will give Russia a free hand to participate and assist NAF however way they want, and I think many in the US realize this and also realize that this will screw things up for them. But only a few have that memo, not Volkner.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:44 pm

    Liveuamap‏Verified account @Liveuamap 1h1 hour ago

    2 "MPs" of LNR group were killed in Luhansk https://liveuamap.com/en/2017/28-august-2-mps-of-lnr-group-were-killed-in-luhansk … via @rianru
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:46 pm

    Glad we are posting Ukrainian snuff stuff that is getting them wet.  Johnin.

    Anyway, Russian journalist kidnapped in Ukraine.  Film crew were fired at too.



    http://tass.com/society/962743

    http://theduran.com/ukrainian-regime-forces-fire-live-rounds-russia-television-crew-journalists/

    Regarding the Dead MP's

    http://www.stalkerzone.org/ukraine-accused-murdering-two-lpr-deputies/
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:36 pm

    Seems she is released now with a 3 year ban from entering the country. So in other words, this is Ukraine being Ukraine and breaking international laws but getting away with it because they are a US puppet.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:24 pm

    Here come the lawyers goldmine.



    Ukraine and the Netherlands will soon sign a memorandum on the exchange of information on the case of Boeing 777 flight MH17 shot down in 2014, which will help Kyiv in its lawsuit against Russia, Deputy Foreign Minister Olena Zerkal said.


    http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/445361.html#.WagWJsMzTqU.twitter
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  auslander on Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:06 pm

    Just in, VVP has said Russia will put a resolution before UNSC for UN peace keepers along the demarcation line between Novorossia and Ukraine. This may well scotch any plans US has for an offensive this fall and 'defensive weapons' to Kiev.

    http://tass.ru/politika/4532374

    http://tass.com/politics/963727

    IMHO this is another masterful move by VVP in that he stops any attempts by DC to arm the orcs and if US veto's the resolution, which they will, it will be another scandal and it will officially acknowledge that US is behind this war.

    From reading his order and his statement he wants to force the orcs to pull back as per Minsk and the blue helmets are to 'protect OSCE in performance of their duties'. This may, possibly, maybe, stop the continuous bombardments by the orcs. There will be too many news types on the lines for the orcs to pull their usual shit unless all the news types are in their pockets, which is distinctly possible. We'll see.


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