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    PapaDragon

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:56 pm

    Ispan wrote:Short update. Links in Russian, use google translate.
    New tactical advances that confirm the weakenss of the enemy. Two days ago the ukrops gave up without fight outposts in the Svetlodarsk arc. There's video to confirm it.
    Today in Donetsk sector another 500 meter advance that straigthens the front and removes a wedge, near Peski, NW of the city.
    No longer a couple of isolated incidents, seems to fit with a weakening  of Ukrainian defense lines, either from scarcity of troops, or lack of will to fight, or both
    http://antimaydan.info/2017/08/_810036.html
    Hard ukrainian attacks in the coastal sector, several breakthrough attempts
    http://antimaydan.info/2017/08/_810045.html


    Confirming shortages of troops, Ucrainian police are told to volunteer for a tour of duty in the front or be fired, and a new call up of recruits for National Guard

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    Good news, probably related to this:

    Ukraine hollows out

    Since independence and especially since the Maidan coup Ukraine has experienced a population collapse unprecedented in post Second World War Europe......


    http://theduran.com/ukraine-hollows-out/

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Thu Aug 10, 2017 4:52 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Ispan wrote:Short update. Links in Russian, use google translate.
    New tactical advances that confirm the weakenss of the enemy. Two days ago the ukrops gave up without fight outposts in the Svetlodarsk arc. There's video to confirm it.
    Today in Donetsk sector another 500 meter advance that straigthens the front and removes a wedge, near Peski, NW of the city.
    No longer a couple of isolated incidents, seems to fit with a weakening  of Ukrainian defense lines, either from scarcity of troops, or lack of will to fight, or both
    http://antimaydan.info/2017/08/_810036.html
    Hard ukrainian attacks in the coastal sector, several breakthrough attempts
    http://antimaydan.info/2017/08/_810045.html


    Confirming shortages of troops, Ucrainian police are told to volunteer for a tour of duty in the front or be fired, and a new call up of recruits for National Guard

    «


    Good news, probably related to this:

    Ukraine hollows out

    Since independence and especially since the Maidan coup Ukraine has experienced a population collapse unprecedented in post Second World War Europe......


    http://theduran.com/ukraine-hollows-out/



    Unprecedented would be Russia's considerable population loss during the 1990's and 2000's.

    There are presently close to two million Ukrainian pseudo-refugees in Poland alone. In the city of Wroclaw they allegedly make around 10% of the population, and that is one of the largest cities in Poland.

    If the current Ukraine experiences some population loss, but if they eventually take over a large chunk of Poland, then it is not such a bad deal for them. That is apparently the aim here.

    I think the article tries to make look Ukraine weaker than it is. It shows only part of the story.

    The truth is that it is Poland that is Ukraine's vassal state not the other way around


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:01 am

    Odin of Ossetia wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Ispan wrote:Short update. Links in Russian, use google translate.
    New tactical advances that confirm the weakenss of the enemy. Two days ago the ukrops gave up without fight outposts in the Svetlodarsk arc. There's video to confirm it.
    Today in Donetsk sector another 500 meter advance that straigthens the front and removes a wedge, near Peski, NW of the city.
    No longer a couple of isolated incidents, seems to fit with a weakening  of Ukrainian defense lines, either from scarcity of troops, or lack of will to fight, or both
    http://antimaydan.info/2017/08/_810036.html
    Hard ukrainian attacks in the coastal sector, several breakthrough attempts
    http://antimaydan.info/2017/08/_810045.html


    Confirming shortages of troops, Ucrainian police are told to volunteer for a tour of duty in the front or be fired, and a new call up of recruits for National Guard

    «


    Good news, probably related to this:

    Ukraine hollows out

    Since independence and especially since the Maidan coup Ukraine has experienced a population collapse unprecedented in post Second World War Europe......


    http://theduran.com/ukraine-hollows-out/



    Unprecedented would be Russia's considerable population loss during the 1990's and 2000's.

    There are presently close to two million Ukrainian pseudo-refugees in Poland alone. In the city of Wroclaw they allegedly make around 10% of the population, and that is one of the largest cities in Poland.

    If the current Ukraine experiences some population loss, but if they eventually take over a large chunk of Poland, then it is not such a bad deal for them. That is apparently the aim here.

    I think the article tries to make look Ukraine weaker than it is. It shows only part of the story.

    Majority of Ukraine population that left isn't in Poland. Add to that, these are a mixture of political and mostly economical refugees. This is not some grand strategy of Ukraine, because as evident of what is happening in the Rada, they do not have a strategy on replacing toilet paper in the stalls of the washroom. That is if they can even obtain toilet paper.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:11 am

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Odin of Ossetia wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Ispan wrote:Short update. Links in Russian, use google translate.
    New tactical advances that confirm the weakenss of the enemy. Two days ago the ukrops gave up without fight outposts in the Svetlodarsk arc. There's video to confirm it.
    Today in Donetsk sector another 500 meter advance that straigthens the front and removes a wedge, near Peski, NW of the city.
    No longer a couple of isolated incidents, seems to fit with a weakening  of Ukrainian defense lines, either from scarcity of troops, or lack of will to fight, or both
    http://antimaydan.info/2017/08/_810036.html
    Hard ukrainian attacks in the coastal sector, several breakthrough attempts
    http://antimaydan.info/2017/08/_810045.html


    Confirming shortages of troops, Ucrainian police are told to volunteer for a tour of duty in the front or be fired, and a new call up of recruits for National Guard

    «


    Good news, probably related to this:

    Ukraine hollows out

    Since independence and especially since the Maidan coup Ukraine has experienced a population collapse unprecedented in post Second World War Europe......


    http://theduran.com/ukraine-hollows-out/



    Unprecedented would be Russia's considerable population loss during the 1990's and 2000's.

    There are presently close to two million Ukrainian pseudo-refugees in Poland alone. In the city of Wroclaw they allegedly make around 10% of the population, and that is one of the largest cities in Poland.

    If the current Ukraine experiences some population loss, but if they eventually take over a large chunk of Poland, then it is not such a bad deal for them. That is apparently the aim here.

    I think the article tries to make look Ukraine weaker than it is. It shows only part of the story.

    Majority of Ukraine population that left isn't in Poland.  Add to that, these are a mixture of political and mostly economical refugees.  This is not some grand strategy of Ukraine, because as evident of what is happening in the Rada, they do not have a strategy on replacing toilet paper in the stalls of the washroom.  That is if they can even obtain toilet paper.



    What that bull-shit article fails to say is:


    1) Ethnic Ukrainians are very influential in Poland. They are not some push around immigrants like some attempt to portray them as. They can murder you and literally get away with it; it is the German-Ukrainian mafia known as the "Civic Platform" which enjoys very heavy support from the EU leadership. They are heavily present in Poland's so-called "justice" system.

    2) It is Poland that pays for the higher education of 25 000 Ukrainian students. Polish students do not get paid for any education in Ukraine.

    3) They bring their kids to Poland, and even if they are illegally the Polish government pays them money for these kids as if these were real citizens.

    4) Polish government also pays lots of money to the Ukrainian government, Poland does not get anything in exchange.

    5) Erection of illegal Ukrainian nationalist monuments in Poland, totally tolerated by the consecutive Polish governments, while the legal monument to the ethnic Polish victims of the UPA and SS from the Huta Pieniacka recently was destroyed.

    6) Polish military has also dispatched various equipment to its Ukrainian counterpart, of course Poland also got nothing in exchange.



    So who do you think is the real vassal here?

    I think the articles is very misleading.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:00 am

    Well, that is up to the Polish people to try and get rid of these stupid social programs that benefit Ukrainians but not the locals.

    It is one of those face saving measures in hopes to get intelligent works from Ukraine into Poland when we all know that doesn't end up as the case.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:58 am

    Without wanting to go o/t too much, Poland is not a vassal of Ukraine, it is, like the rest of Europe and Ukraine itself, a US vassal. I doubt very much that the Ukrainians now in Poland went there under any instruction from the Government, they are primarily self motivated economic migrants.

    The big problem this is causing to Ukraine is that it is its working age population that is leaving (heading east as well as west), that is the tax payers, with the young and the old, dependant on the State, left behind. This is not a sustainable business plan for a country.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:16 am

    The UN Office for Refugees states that 586,000 Ukrainians living in the conflict zone in the Donbass do not receive pensions and social benefits that they are eligible for.

    "586 thousand citizens of Ukraine living in the conflict zone have not received pensions and social benefits since the beginning of last year. The UNHCR urges Ukrainian authorities to ensure the payments to all citizens, regardless of where they live, "- said in a statement on the UN website.

    Earlier, the OSCE reported of 59 killed civilians in the Donbas since early 2017.


    http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/08/un-590000-eligible-residents-of-donbass.html
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Aug 14, 2017 4:32 am

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    North Korea's missile success is linked to Ukrainian plant, investigators say


    http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/north-koreas-missile-success-is-linked-to-ukrainian-plant-investigators-say
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:00 am

    Same partially with Iran too. Although, most are knockoff of Scud missiles but with multiple adjustments and tech.

    I would say that Ukraine sold most of its knowledge that was build for them by the Russian government. But hey, all of this will be swept under the carpet anyway.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  PapaDragon Yesterday at 2:36 am

    JohninMK wrote: The UN Office for Refugees states that 586,000 Ukrainians living in the conflict zone in the Donbass do not receive pensions and social benefits that they are eligible for.

    "586 thousand citizens of Ukraine living in the conflict zone have not received pensions and social benefits since the beginning of last year. The UNHCR urges Ukrainian authorities to ensure the payments to all citizens, regardless of where they live, "- said in a statement on the UN website.

    Earlier, the OSCE reported of 59 killed civilians in the Donbas since early 2017.


    http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/08/un-590000-eligible-residents-of-donbass.html


    John buddy, can you do me a favor?

    I noticed that photo on Ukraine tread on The Mess so could you please ask our old acquaintance Drax how he feels about it? And please do the same once Assareen crawls out of his hole. They all gone silent once it was posted but as usual, they resurfaced​ once they felt that coast is clear.

    Shame for them to miss opportunity to give their opinion



    I don't feel like opening account there. Thanks in advance.  thumbsup

    Also, for the curious, we are taking about this lovely bunch of human perfection:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/36th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  Karbafoz Yesterday at 5:45 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:And please do the same once Assareen crawls out of his hole. They all gone silent once it was posted but as usual, they resurfaced​ once they felt that coast is clear.
    Asheren seems to be busy studying Savchenko's diet. nemipuka had picked up his banner in the Russia-related threads there.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  JohninMK Yesterday at 6:25 pm

    Papa, did you mean like this?

    http://themess.net/forum/military-discussion/8573-ukraine-discussion-thread?p=281661#post281661

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  JohninMK Yesterday at 6:28 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:


    The guy in front must be praying that his buddy behind him does not open fire, shattering his eardrum.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  PapaDragon Yesterday at 6:31 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Papa, did you mean like this?

    http://themess.net/forum/military-discussion/8573-ukraine-discussion-thread?p=281661#post281661

    Thanks bro!!! thumbsup
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  PapaDragon Yesterday at 9:17 pm


    Well of course he was, it's called ''plausible deniability'' Very Happy

    Ukrainian Military Says Agent Detained in Crimea Was Dismissed From Army in May

    https://sputniknews.com/europe/201708151056488993-ukrainian-agent-dismissed-army/

    ...."According to preliminary data, this was a citizen of Ukraine that served in one of the units of Ukraine’s Land Forces. In May, he was dismissed … for professional incompetence of this former serviceman," Venskovych said, as quoted by the UNIAN news agency....

    They probably had a vision of the future... lol1

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