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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  franco on Sun Feb 12, 2017 3:56 pm

    Interesting read;

    http://thesaker.is/a-possible-shift-in-the-russian-position-on-novorussia/
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    Post  franco on Sun Feb 12, 2017 3:58 pm

    And speaking of sleeping with vipers;

    http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/02/volunteer-anti-banderite-patrols-sweep.html
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  franco on Sun Feb 12, 2017 6:33 pm

    ET please call home! dunno

    Ukrainian scouts did not return from a mission

    Ukrainian security forces for more than a day are not a military group data, to carry out tasks in the Luhansk region, reports RIA News .
    Last night, the channel "112 Ukraine" with reference to the press officer of the tactical group "Mariupol" reported that "during the day (11 February) a group of soldiers are not returned to the job."
    "We know that a group of soldiers performed the task of monitoring the front edge of our position. It is now known that the soldiers did not come to communicate, "- he said the officer, promised that" any 100% reliable information "on the subject will be provided to the media.
    In the press center specified that this group is one of the intelligence units.
    It is also reported that the missing soldiers are trying to get in touch, in addition, "to the place where they were supposed to be, we headed the search team."
    Meanwhile, the official release of the command ATO no information about the missing reconnaissance not.
    "In general, it recorded 59 attacks. Unfortunately, two of our soldiers were wounded ", - stated in the staff.
    Earlier in the People's Militia LC claimed that the command APU hiding the facts of death of their personnel, recording them deserters. For example, in early January, the representative of the military department of the republic Andrei Marochko said that "in the 24 th Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine voluntarily leave including 240 soldiers."
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:16 pm

    franco wrote:ET please call home!  dunno

    Ukrainian scouts did not return from a mission

    Ukrainian security forces for more than a day are not a military group data, to carry out tasks in the Luhansk region, reports RIA News .
    Last night, the channel "112 Ukraine" with reference to the press officer of the tactical group "Mariupol" reported that "during the day (11 February) a group of soldiers are not returned to the job."...................t "in the 24 th Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine voluntarily leave including 240 soldiers."

    Well it's no secret that some bad sh*t tends to happen out there... Cool

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  Benya on Sun Feb 12, 2017 9:11 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    franco wrote:ET please call home!  dunno

    Ukrainian scouts did not return from a mission

    Ukrainian security forces for more than a day are not a military group data, to carry out tasks in the Luhansk region, reports RIA News .
    Last night, the channel "112 Ukraine" with reference to the press officer of the tactical group "Mariupol" reported that "during the day (11 February) a group of soldiers are not returned to the job."...................t "in the 24 th Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine voluntarily leave including 240 soldiers."

    Well it's no secret that some bad sh*t tends to happen out there... Cool


    Well, knowing the Kiev junta, they would even put the blame on UFOs  Very Happy . But jokes aside, they might have been killed, kidnapped or maybe laid down their weapons and surrendered/fleed.

    Anyway, after the death of many notable Novorossian commanders (Alexey Mozgovoy († 2015.05.23), Arseniy "Motorola" Pavlov († 2016.10.16), and now Mikhail "Givi" Tolstykh († 2017.02.08.)), a top ranking Ukrainian general Gennadiy Vorobyev (deputy Chief of Staff of the UAF) has bit the dust.

    Ironically he passed away in a "mysterious way".

    Arrow http://novorossia.today/nazi-ukraine-junta-commander-dies-mysterious-death/
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  franco on Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:02 am

    As mentioned above. Apparently this general commanded the Ukrainian forces in the Donbass for almost 2 years;

    https://www.sott.net/article/342345-The-deputy-head-of-the-Ukrainian-Armys-General-Staff-Gennady-Vorobyov-suddenly-dies-at-his-workplace
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:15 am

    Mysterious death in Donbass.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  eehnie on Mon Feb 13, 2017 1:02 am

    It seems that the Ukranian Colonel General had a more important place before the coup of 2014 and he was deposed in January of 2014 because of the Maidan.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  eehnie on Mon Feb 13, 2017 1:03 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:Mysterious death in Donbass.


    Now the killers in the Russian side too...

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:56 pm

    What a surprise!

    As Ukraine may be left without coal from Donbass, a group of lawmakers suggested unblocking the region.

    KIEV (Sputnik) — A Ukrainian political bloc supporting President Petro Poroshenko asked the country's leader to urgently convene a session of the National Security Council to consider unblocking railways into breakaway regions of Donetsk and Lugansk. "The lawmakers from the faction of the Petro Poroshenko Bloc party addressed Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko with a proposal to urgently convene a session of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine to discuss the halt of the unlawful blocking of railways in Donetsk and Lugansk regions," the press release published on the party's website said.

    According to the document, the lawmakers from the party said that "the economic blockade undermines the military efficiency of our state and has disastrous consequences for the economy and the social sphere." The lawmakers proposed to invite Ukraine's "Minister for Temporary Occupied Territories" Vadym Chernysh, Energy Minister Ihor Nasalyk, Economic Development Minister Stepan Kubiv, representatives of the administration of the two regions and of the organizers of the blockade to the meeting.

    Earlier on Monday, Ukrainian Prime Minister Volodymyr Groysman said that a state of emergency might be introduced in the Ukrainian energy sector due to the shortage of coal after the suspension of supplies from Donbass.

    In December 2016, the so-called Ukrainian volunteer fighters said they began the trade and economic blockade of the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) and Lugansk People’s Republic (LPR).
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  medo on Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:42 pm

    JohninMK wrote:What a surprise!

    As Ukraine may be left without coal from Donbass, a group of lawmakers suggested unblocking the region.

    KIEV (Sputnik) — A Ukrainian political bloc supporting President Petro Poroshenko asked the country's leader to urgently convene a session of the National Security Council to consider unblocking railways into breakaway regions of Donetsk and Lugansk. "The lawmakers from the faction of the Petro Poroshenko Bloc party addressed Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko with a proposal to urgently convene a session of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine to discuss the halt of the unlawful blocking of railways in Donetsk and Lugansk regions," the press release published on the party's website said.

    According to the document, the lawmakers from the party said that "the economic blockade undermines the military efficiency of our state and has disastrous consequences for the economy and the social sphere." The lawmakers proposed to invite Ukraine's "Minister for Temporary Occupied Territories" Vadym Chernysh, Energy Minister Ihor Nasalyk, Economic Development Minister Stepan Kubiv, representatives of the administration of the two regions and of the organizers of the blockade to the meeting.

    Earlier on Monday, Ukrainian Prime Minister Volodymyr Groysman said that a state of emergency might be introduced in the Ukrainian energy sector due to the shortage of coal after the suspension of supplies from Donbass.

    In December 2016, the so-called Ukrainian volunteer fighters said they began the trade and economic blockade of the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) and Lugansk People’s Republic (LPR).

    They could still buy Novorussian coal through Russia, but it will be more expensive and they will have to pay in Rubles.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:59 pm

    According to the Russian Investigative Committee, Ukrainian forces are deploying Tochka-U (SS-21 Scarab) tactical missiles against the civilian population in eastern Ukraine.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) – The Russian Investigative Committee said Monday it has received evidence of Ukrainian forces deploying Tochka-U (SS-21 Scarab) tactical missiles against the civilian population in eastern Ukraine.

    Russia's envoy to the OSCE Alexander Lukashevich noted on Friday the redeployment of heavy weaponry, tanks and Tochka-U systems by Kiev amid the latest escalation.

    "Irrefutable evidence of the Armed Forces of Ukraine applying weapons of mass destruction — Tochka-U tactical missile systems — against civilians in armed conflict has been obtained and documented," committee spokeswoman Svetlana Petrenko said.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:02 pm

    medo wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:What a surprise!

    As Ukraine may be left without coal from Donbass, a group of lawmakers suggested unblocking the region.

    KIEV (Sputnik) — A Ukrainian political bloc supporting President Petro Poroshenko asked the country's leader to urgently convene a session of the National Security Council to consider unblocking railways into breakaway regions of Donetsk and Lugansk. "The lawmakers from the faction of the Petro Poroshenko Bloc party addressed Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko with a proposal to urgently convene a session of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine to discuss the halt of the unlawful blocking of railways in Donetsk and Lugansk regions," the press release published on the party's website said.

    According to the document, the lawmakers from the party said that "the economic blockade undermines the military efficiency of our state and has disastrous consequences for the economy and the social sphere." The lawmakers proposed to invite Ukraine's "Minister for Temporary Occupied Territories" Vadym Chernysh, Energy Minister Ihor Nasalyk, Economic Development Minister Stepan Kubiv, representatives of the administration of the two regions and of the organizers of the blockade to the meeting.

    Earlier on Monday, Ukrainian Prime Minister Volodymyr Groysman said that a state of emergency might be introduced in the Ukrainian energy sector due to the shortage of coal after the suspension of supplies from Donbass.

    In December 2016, the so-called Ukrainian volunteer fighters said they began the trade and economic blockade of the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) and Lugansk People’s Republic (LPR).

    They could still buy Novorussian coal through Russia, but it will be more expensive and they will have to pay in Rubles.
    They almost certainly are, the coal trains out of Luhansk into Russia never seem to have stopped during the conflicts. The problem are the trains routing to the power ststions becomes very convoluted and there is limited capacity.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:27 pm

    Sometimes its the little details that point the way

    Monday, February 13, 2017 - 17:01

    The Ukrainian army continues preparing for a massive military operation on attacking Donetsk, informed, referring to the doctors’ data, the ex-Deputy of the Verkhovna Rada Aleksey Zhuravko on his blog.

    "I talked to the Ukrainian military doctors of Dnepropetrovsk, Mariupol and Slavyansk. They told me that a big amount of bandaging material, medical facilities and surgical instruments were being brought together to the medical military bases. Preparation for casualty reception is being carried out.

    And a doctor from Mariupol told me that a lot of tetanus vaccines had been brought. Every day we go to the frontlines and inoculate the ‘ATO’ soldiers. We also inoculate everyone without exception behind the lines. Plenty of extra ambulance cars were brought to us.

    A doctor from Slavyansk confirmed this information. In Dnepropetrovsk hospitals are being prepared for many patients load, tetanus vaccines are being inoculated in the army units as well.

    Judging by these facts, I have come to the conclusion that Kiev is preparing massively for attacking Donetsk," stated Zhuravko.

    DONi News Agency


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:23 pm

    Forgive me if I doubt this

    Conflicting parties in Donbass reached an agreement on withdrawing the banned weapons from the contact line by February 20, Special Representative of the OSCE Chairperson-in-Office to the Trilateral Contact Group Martin Sajdik said on Wednesday.

    MINSK (Sputnik) – He pointed out that the intensity of shelling in Donbass significantly decreased within the last two weeks, which improved the situation for civilians.

    Sajdik added that the next session of the Contact Group would be held in Minsk on March 1.


    https://sputniknews.com/europe/201702151050719121-donbass-war-banned-weapons/
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    Post  Benya on Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:35 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Forgive me if I doubt this

    Conflicting parties in Donbass reached an agreement on withdrawing the banned weapons from the contact line by February 20, Special Representative of the OSCE Chairperson-in-Office to the Trilateral Contact Group Martin Sajdik said on Wednesday.

    MINSK (Sputnik) – He pointed out that the intensity of shelling in Donbass significantly decreased within the last two weeks, which improved the situation for civilians.

    Sajdik added that the next session of the Contact Group would be held in Minsk on March 1.


    https://sputniknews.com/europe/201702151050719121-donbass-war-banned-weapons/

    What kind of banned weapons? Question Mostly cluster bombs/shells I think...
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  franco on Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:03 pm

    AFV's and weapons with calibers in excess of 100 mm.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:21 am

    Looks like the amount of heavy shelling is creeping up again, now up to 100 a day. It, but not all the smaller calibres, had virtually stopped at one point.

    https://dninews.com/article/donetsk-defense-situation-report-18022016-0

    Also there seems to have been some kind of move on the sidelines in Munich by Germany/France/Russia to put some pressure on Kiev to apply Minsk.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  franco on Sun Feb 19, 2017 2:04 pm

    A look at Ukraine through the eyes of a British reporter in 2010;

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1315318/As-Ukrainians-force-Russians-turn-their-language-change-names-I-ask-Is-worlds-absurd-city.html


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:43 pm

    Heavy shelling now over 300 yesterday.

    Then there is the coal blockade. Poro has signed a bit of paper, so all good now.

    Sunday, February 19, 2017 - 17:59

    Ukrainian 'president' Petro Poroshenko has signed an order on neutralizing threats to the country’s energy sector. According to Russian journalist and expert Leonid Khazanov, Ukraine risks plunging into an energy collapse, reports Sputnik. On Friday, Poroshenko enacted a decree earlier adopted by the National Security and Defense Council on diversification of coal supplies sources and creating reserves of power generating coal.

    In addition, the Council also decided to tighten control over the products’ movement in the region of Donbass.

    It also tasked the government with developing measures to neutralize threats to Ukraine’s energy security and imposing a ban on anthracite exports from Ukraine. The government is also in charge of rebuilding transportation infrastructure damaged during a military operation in Donbass.

    In late December 2016, a so-called Ukrainian volunteer fighters group declared a trade and economic blockade of the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) and Lugansk People’s Republic (LPR). According to the group, any trade operations with the republics are illegal. The blockade resulted in disruptions in anthracite shipments from Donbass territories which are not controlled by Kiev and forced the government to introduce a state of emergency in the energy sector.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  GarryB on Mon Feb 20, 2017 6:18 am

    A look at Ukraine through the eyes of a British reporter in 2010;

    How times have changed in 7 years...

    Well at least all the problems of the Crimea have been resolved... they have new one now no doubt... everyone has problems...


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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Feb 22, 2017 11:42 pm

    A big article, this is the main part

    Three years ago this week, dozens of people, protesters and police alike, were gunned down in Kiev by mysterious snipers, leading to intensified pressure against authorities and culminating in the Maidan coup. Three years on, ex-Prime Minister Mykola Azarov has compiled his take on the snipers' identity. But Kiev is trying to destroy the evidence.

    This week, tens of thousands have taken to the streets of Kiev to mark the third anniversary of the Maidan protests, which began in November 2013 and culminated in the ouster of unpopular but democratically elected President Viktor Yanukovych on February 22, 2014. The 2014 protests erupted after Yanukovych delayed the signing of the EU-Ukraine Association Agreement and began negotiations on joining the Eurasian Economic Union instead.

    In the course of about a month of clashes in central Kiev, which reached their peak between February 18 and February 20, 2014, over 130 people, including 18 police officers, were killed, many of them shot by sniper fire.

    After taking power, the new government blamed the deaths on Yanukovych, Berkut riot police, and even Russian intelligence. The former president denied giving any orders to fire on the protesters. Other former government officials and anti-Maidan activists maintained that the snipers were not affiliated with the police or other security forces, pointing to numerous flaws that were found in Kiev's own case against Berkut. Critics of Kiev's version also pointed out that no one was ever charged with killing the police who died on Maidan, including the 13 officers killed at the peak of the violence.

    Critics also pointed to the leaked phone call between then EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton and Estonian Foreign Minister Urmas Paet during the crisis; Paet told Ashton that snipers had killed both police and protesters, and complained that the new authorities didn't seem particularly keen on investigating what actually happened. Medical personnel speaking to German media in the weeks that followed also said that the wounded from both police and protesters had the same kind of bullet wounds.

    On the eve of the third anniversary of Yanukovych's ouster, Mykola Azarov, who served as Ukraine's prime minister until his resignation in January 2014, offered a grim reminder of who he firmly believes to have been responsible for the Maidan massacre.

    In a detailed post on his Facebook page on Tuesday, complete with photo and video evidence, Azarov dropped a bombshell, writing that "today we, and investigators in Kiev as well, have reliable information about the fact that the murders on the Maidan were carried out by special groups of snipers from Georgia, the Baltic countries and Poland, under the guidance of instructors from France and Germany."

    These groups, Azarov said, "were provided with cover and diversionary actions by shooters from the 'Maidan Self-Defense' group under the direction of [Andriy] Parubiy and [Serhiy] Pashinsky," the former now serving as speaker of Ukraine's parliament, and the latter an MP and former interim head of the presidential administration.

    Going into more detail, Azarov explained that "the Georgian group, consisting of 10 people, was placed in the Conservatory building [which overlooks Maidan Square]. The identities of three of them have been confirmed by photographs taken by Ukrainian Security Forces staff, and it has been established that they are Georgian nationals. On February 20, [2014] this group divided into two. One of them fired from the Conservatory Building, the other from the Hotel Ukraine Building."

    "It is also assumed that a third group of professional shooters was involved in the mass killings, who in the space of only 30 minutes shot over 50 people in cold blood from the building on Gorodetsky street and were immediately moved out of the area," the ex-politician added.

    Unfortunately, Azarov lamented that Secretary of the National Defense Council Oleksandr Turchynov, Pashinsky, Minister of Internal Affairs Arsen Avakov, Paruby, and ex-Prime Minister Arseny Yatsenyuk, all of whom were appointed to their positions following the coup, "have done everything they could to destroy evidence and people's testimony. An attempt was made to place the blame for the massacre squarely on Yanukovych and the Burkut riot police."


    https://sputniknews.com/europe/201702221050940444-azarov-maidan-sniper-deaths-investigation/

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Feb 22, 2017 11:49 pm

    Poro trying to remain relevant as usual, plus spending money he doesn't have.

    KIEV (Sputnik) — Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said Wednesday that there was a threat of a full-fledged war with Russia.

    "The Russian military forces in the southeast, in Transnistria in Moldova, too, in my opinion, may at any time be used for attacking our territory, and threaten our borders … The threat of a full-scale war on Russia's part has not disappeared," Poroshenko said at a meeting of the leadership of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

    He also accused Russia of building up its military presence in Crimea.


    https://sputniknews.com/europe/201702221050948197-poroshenko-ukraine-russia-war/


    Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said that the restoration of the Ukrainian air defense system in 2017 will become a vital priority for the country.

    KIEV (Sputnik) — Ukraine is planning to allocate almost $333 million on the development and procurement of weapons in 2017, while the restoration of national air defense system will become the main priority for the country, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said Wednesday.

    "This year 9 billion hryvnas will be allocated to the development and procurement of the new and modernized weapons and military equipment. Ukraine has never done that before," Poroshenko said at a session of the Ukrainian senior military officials.

    The restoration of the Ukrainian air defense system in 2017 will become a vital priority for the country, the president added.


    https://sputniknews.com/europe/201702221050946969-ukraine-budget-poroshenko/

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Feb 22, 2017 11:53 pm

    Poro chatting to the Yanks again

    WASHINTON (Sputnik) — "We must stand by our friends in Ukraine as they stay the course on what is undoubtedly a long road toward a stable democracy, and we can do our part by preserving and enhancing international sanctions against Russia," Quigley stated in a press release on Wednesday.

    Quigley emphasized that the partnership between the United States and Ukraine is essential because of shared values and the mission to counter Russian aggression and restoring Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity.

    "The [US President Donald] Trump Administration's consideration to remove sanctions on Russia is dangerous, misguided, and damages US global creditability, as it shortsightedly eliminates any leverage we have on the Kremlin," Quigley added.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:01 am

    Meanwhile this is something kept pretty quiet in Kiev, data at link.

    Tuesday, February 21, 2017 - 19:28

    Last year Ukraine exported to the Russian Federation military items in the amount of $169 mil.

    Russia turned out to be the largest partner of Ukraine in the military sphere.

    This is evidenced by the research, which is annually organized by the authoritative international organization – Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI).

    According to the latest SIPRI data, last year Ukraine exported to the Russian Federation military items in the amount of $169 mil. These were the Russians who became the largest buyers of the Ukrainian armament goods. Ukraine made even less money from the supply of domestic tanks Oplot to Thailand.

    In general, during the year the volume of supplies to Russia increased by 72% and was higher than during the presidency of Viktor Yanukovich.


    https://dninews.com/article/sipri-poroshenko-sells-more-military-items-russia-yanukovich

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