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    Re: Question Thread: Russian Army

    Post  GarryB on Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:42 am

    After their experience in Afghanistan I rather suspect a list like this:

    Pecheneg,
    RPG-28,
    RPG-29,
    Kornet,
    Smerch/Tornado,
    Iskander,
    Igla-S
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    Re: Question Thread: Russian Army

    Post  medo on Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:44 am

    TR1 wrote:Russia has no Tor-M2 in service

    No? Interesting. In December last year they reported, that first Tor-M2U were deployed in south military district.

    http://www.itar-tass.com/en/c154/307597.html
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    Re: Question Thread: Russian Army

    Post  TR1 on Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:59 pm

    medo wrote:
    TR1 wrote:Russia has no Tor-M2 in service

    No? Interesting. In December last year they reported, that first Tor-M2U were deployed in south military district.

    http://www.itar-tass.com/en/c154/307597.html

    Well, this is one of those cases where I default to "Pics or I am suspicious".
    Thanks for link though.
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    Re: Question Thread: Russian Army

    Post  flamming_python on Sun Apr 29, 2012 4:29 pm

    War with NATO?

    Voyevoda
    Topol-M
    Tu-160
    Tu-95
    Tu-22M3
    Iskander-M
    Sineva

    There you have it. The Big 7 Very Happy
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    Re: Question Thread: Russian Army

    Post  George1 on Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:19 pm

    The post referred to Soviet Army equipment not, Air Force, Navy, nuclear forces etc etc etc.

    It is about ground forces equipment
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    Re: Question Thread: Russian Army

    Post  flamming_python on Wed May 02, 2012 1:00 am

    Hmm in terms of pure casualty counts I would say something like:

    AK-74
    Grad
    Smerch
    Tochka-U
    Msta-S
    Su-25
    BMP-2

    Mkay.. something like that
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    Re: Question Thread: Russian Army

    Post  IronsightSniper on Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:38 pm

    There's really no dispute on which modern equipment would cause the most damage, however there may be some debatable question: such as, which ADS is the best? The answer to that is, non, since the whole point of an IADS (Integrated Air Defense System) is to have all the bases covered, from short to long to anti-helicopters to anti-ballistic missiles. However, in terms of sheer versatility, the Pantsyr would probably be the most efficient ADS.
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    Re: Question Thread: Russian Army

    Post  TR1 on Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:52 pm

    Well it is hard to look at Pantsyr alone - I think more useful would be the S-400 site as a whole, protected by the Pantsir batteries.

    S-400 + Pantsir = scary.


    Tor fans might disagree though, many people are not a fan of Pantsir's wheeled base. Though that might not be a huge problem for its current role, if Army ever acquires it, it will certainly have tracked chassis.
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    Re: Question Thread: Russian Army

    Post  Zivo on Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:06 am

    TR1 wrote:Well it is hard to look at Pantsyr alone - I think more useful would be the S-400 site as a whole, protected by the Pantsir batteries.

    S-400 + Pantsir = scary.


    Tor fans might disagree though, many people are not a fan of Pantsir's wheeled base. Though that might not be a huge problem for its current role, if Army ever acquires it, it will certainly have tracked chassis.

    Like this?

    http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/422082_341838505839495_2021873323_n.jpg
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    Re: Question Thread: Russian Army

    Post  TR1 on Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:24 am

    Yeah thats the one I had in mind.

    Though I suspect army might be interested in putting it on a new unified chassis.
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    Re: Question Thread: Russian Army

    Post  Zivo on Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:08 am

    No doubt they will, the one in the pic is just a floor model at the factory.

    Anyone figured out what radar the darker pantsir in the back has? I remember seeing it sometime back when it was painted tan and I've still never found an answer to what system it is.
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    Re: Question Thread: Russian Army

    Post  GarryB on Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:17 am

    Different forces will use different versions of TOR and Pantsir-S1.

    The Air Force will use wheeled versions, while the Army will use tracked models of both vehicles as they have done previously. The GM-xxxx tracked vehicle chassis is made in Belarus, but there is no place for that in the heavy, medium, or light brigades as their purpose is simplified logistics and operational performance as all vehicles in the units have the same level of protection and mobility. This would mean that any missile (TOR) or Gun missile (Pantsir-S1/Tunguska-S1) regiments would need Armata, kurganets-25, Boomerang-25 or Boomerang-10 based vehicles. The Tunguska is a 34 ton vehicle so I would suspect lightened versions in all but the Armata formations. For batteries that operate with other units like S-400 batteries then wheeled versions make sense though for TOR or Pantsir-S1 batteries that operate with S-300V it would make sense to use tracked models there too for obvious reasons.

    I rather suspect for Light Brigades there will be a lighter AD vehicle... there was a suggestion that the VDV are getting a new air defence vehicle developed for them... one can only guess if that is a BMD-4 or Boomerang-10 based vehicle, though it will replace the stopgap SA-13 systems introduced to replace the ZU-23 units. It could be Phoenix or SOSNA-R, or a light Tunguska with 4 missiles and one twin barrel gun... it could even be Kornet-EM based...


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    What does C4I mean?

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Tue Nov 06, 2012 5:15 pm

    What does C4I mean? I assume it has nothing to do with explosives?
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    Re: Question Thread: Russian Army

    Post  George1 on Tue Nov 06, 2012 6:09 pm

    C4ISR is a term used by the U.S. military (command, control, communications, computers, intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance)
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    Re: Question Thread: Russian Army

    Post  ricky123 on Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:53 am

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    Re: Question Thread: Russian Army

    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:42 pm

    Is the FFL not an option? If you go there you get to join a foreign unit loaded with Russians. Make a friend who is headed back and they will sponsor you for migration to Russia. After your service you will have an EU passport and a Russian connection. Go to UK, Netherlands, Germany or wherever you want to get a job and migrate, or get your sponsor into Russia. It isn't an immediate solution but it is a path to what you want while you serve the military.


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    Re: Question Thread: Russian Army

    Post  TR1 on Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:23 pm

    Consider college before getting into something like the military.

    It will be a great failsafe and backup option.


    By the way- if there is a massive European and American economical collapse, things will not be rosy in Russia.
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    Re: Question Thread: Russian Army

    Post  TR1 on Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:25 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:Is the FFL not an option? If you go there you get to join a foreign unit loaded with Russians. Make a friend who is headed back and they will sponsor you for migration to Russia. After your service you will have an EU passport and a Russian connection. Go to UK, Netherlands, Germany or wherever you want to get a job and migrate, or get your sponsor into Russia. It isn't an immediate solution but it is a path to what you want while you serve the military.

    They pay solid as well.
    Probably as good or better than most jobs you can find without a college degree these days in the states.

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    Re: Question Thread: Russian Army

    Post  GarryB on Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:40 am

    Actually it would be a very interesting anti helo weapon... especially in 23mm calibre with a smoothbore barrel and an APFSDS projectile, though most helos have only minimal armour so some sort of HE round might actually be more effective against a few targets.

    Of course in urban combat the APFSDS rounds able to punch through concrete walls and sand bags would be a useful weapon for attack and defence.

    From memory the 15mm AMR developed in the west was based on the 14.5mm round and could easily penetrate 40mm steel plate at 1,000m, so a hot loaded 23mm round should allow a heavier projectile at higher velocities to do even better... especially with a smooth bore barrel.

    The obvious problem however is that once the round has penetrated, how effective will it be, which suggests to me that a new sub calibre sabot round with the front designed for penetration and the rear filled with HE and incendiary material might be an ideal anti MRAP weapon that pentrates light armour but explodes inside the target for maximum effect. An APHEI round.

    Of course the weapon would be rather heavy... it would probably make more sense just to take a METIS-M which delivers a much more powerful HE charge to 2km.


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    Re: Question Thread: Russian Army

    Post  TR1 on Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:52 am

    Never been much need for it I guess.

    For anti-material role there are a variety of light AT launchers.
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    WP rounds for russian artillery and tanks

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:46 am

    WP rounds for russian artillery and tanks?

    The US has used them throughout the cold war and with outstanding success during the Vietnam war. Have the soviets and then Russians ever used used them? IMO they're a lot more useful than dedicated smoke rounds and grenades because they also offer a devastating incendiary effect while giving equally thick smoke.

    Also if tanks could have WP smoke grenade launchers that could also be a useful weapon.
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    Re: Question Thread: Russian Army

    Post  GarryB on Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:16 am

    Not very widely, no.

    They have incendiary weapons including the RPO-D and the ZAB series of bombs which are devastating, but AFAIK they don't carry such ammo in their tanks.

    BTW WP wasn't that effective in Vietnam... napalm was more widely used and it was used fairly indiscriminately.


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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:47 pm

    That means  soviet mortars, artillery and tanks had a serious  disadvantage in incendiary weapons. Pretty much any NATO tank with a rifled cannon could fire WP rounds. Not to mention 60mm+ NATO mortars.
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    Re: Question Thread: Russian Army

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:29 am

    All Soviet and Russian tanks can generate smoke screens using smoke grenades and by injecting diesel fuel into the exhaust manifold.

    The Soviets have a wide range of fuel air explosive munitions that are far more effective at killing enemy personel than Phosphorus... phosphorus burns fiercely, but will not knock down walls or shatter glass, it gives off poisonous fumes too, but FAEs burn off the oxygen and suffocate people just as effectively, but the blast and heat effects are more consistent.


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