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    Cyberspec

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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Oct 29, 2017 1:41 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Russia is developing a superheavy ekranoplan for the military.

    Now we're talking. I was expecting they would go for small ekranoplans first...go BIG or go home Cool

    However, not everyone is happy. Just like it's Soviet predecessor, some think it will just be a big money pit

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2914765.html

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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Oct 29, 2017 2:44 am

    Cyberspec wrote:
    Tsavo Lion wrote:Russia is developing a superheavy ekranoplan for the military.

    Now we're talking. I was expecting they would go for small ekranoplans first...go BIG or go home Cool

    However, not everyone is happy. Just like it's Soviet predecessor, some think it will just be a big money pit

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2914765.html


    Ehhhh... 

    They may want to sort out rest of the Navy before chasing exotic stuff
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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:57 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:
    Tsavo Lion wrote:Russia is developing a superheavy ekranoplan for the military.

    Now we're talking. I was expecting they would go for small ekranoplans first...go BIG or go home Cool

    However, not everyone is happy. Just like it's Soviet predecessor, some think it will just be a big money pit

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2914765.html


    Ehhhh... 

    They may want to sort out rest of the Navy before chasing exotic stuff

    Depends what's "sorting our" process of updating, development never ends... From the other hand heavy ekraniplan vna:
    - be used as dual purpose technology (transport, cargo planes)
    - be used as fast rescue/transport craft
    - marines vehicle
    -ASW much faster with longer range then helo
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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:52 pm

    They also don't need icebreakers & could be based/used on big rivers & lakes. http://inosmi.ru/russia/20150820/229738283.html
    China & India may buy some too, since it'll be more capable than their new amphibians: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwin5rSPgJnXAhUIqFQKHdYsDZwQqQIINigAMAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rt.com%2Fviral%2F386691-china-amphibious-ag600-tests%2F&usg=AOvVaw09q00W0IOR6J_O2yBVcG3M

    https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/slideshows/infrastructure/indian-navy-to-buy-12-amphibious-rescue-aircraft-from-japan/a-multi-purpose-amphibian/slideshow/55287204.cms

    http://www.livemint.com/Companies/uYTUrW9uQr6d20SnJAkelL/Who-needs-a-runway-SpiceJet-wants-to-land-in-sea-fields.html
    The range of the 600T "Rescuer" will be several thousand km, capable to sit on the water & flat solid surface..", & is intended for SAR, marine landing & supply.
    It's compare, the famous "Caspian Monster" [550T]; the AN-225 is 285T empty & 640T MTOW: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-225_Mriya#Specifications_.28An-225_Mriya.29

    But I wonder, if it passes directly over small ships/people/polar bears at full speed, will they survive?


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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  KiloGolf on Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:57 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:But I wonder, if it passes directly over small ships/people/polar bears at full speed, will they survive?

    Ekranoblast lol1
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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:39 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:.................
    But I wonder, if it passes directly over small ships/people/polar bears at full speed, will they survive?

    Imagine standing on the runway while strategic airlifter is taking off.

    Same thing only worse because on average ekranoplans have twice as many engines as aircraft of comparable length...
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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:24 pm

    They'll use only 2 engines on front pylons when cruising & perhaps 1 engine on the tail. The wake doesn't look very big on the pics, but a small boat may not avoid being damaged or worse!
    Supposedly the giant "Rescuer" will feature a wingspan more than 100 feet wider than the one found on Caspian Sea Monster, which actually makes sense considering it's planned for the type to include traditional landing gear as well as its boat-shaped hull. This amphibian format would theoretically allow the aircraft to fly at higher altitudes, outside of ground effect, but with far less efficiency, while also giving it access to traditional airstrips. Many Soviet-era ekranoplans also had the goal of flying at higher altitudes as well as in their standard WIG mode. http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/15542/russia-supposedly-bringing-back-giant-ekranoplans-for-arctic-missions
    That makes a lot of sense, also to be able to fly like a regular plane.
    4 mods of travel: flat land, water surface, just above water/ice, & well above land/water. It could take off from Magadan on the Okhotsk Sea, run in the WIG mode, climb to overfly Kamchatka peninsula, then again descent & fly on to Petropavlovsk. The same with islands in the Arctic or from Black Sea via Turkey to Med. Sea & back, or Caspian Sea via Iran to Arabian Sea & back.
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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:55 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:They'll use only 2 engines on front pylons when cruising & perhaps 1 engine on the tail. .......

    I dunno, this photo says 8 engines:

    http://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/foundry/image/?q=70&w=1440&url=https%3A%2F%2Ftimedotcom.files.wordpress.com%2F2017%2F10%2Fkhadha11515.jpg%3Fquality%3D85


    Also according to that article ''Seagul'' design is finalized and will be starting tests in 2022:




    Although TheDrive.com is pretty much the shittiest source out there...
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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:34 pm

    The 6 engines r turned off after the WIG mode is reached. It'll run out of fuel otherwise! Perhaps this type will use 4-6 front engines while in the airplane mode.

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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  hoom on Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:06 am

    Is it wrong that I ran into this pic

    and immediately started dreaming of a UKSK armed modern version Suspect Embarassed
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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  AlfaT8 on Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:03 pm

    Can the UKSK even be used at those speeds?
    They probly need to be angled, and maybe use different missiles.

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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  hoom on Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:48 am

    Probably not.
    I'm not at all seriously suggesting it, its just what came into my head clown
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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:30 pm

    Last year article: http://inosmi.ru/social/20171117/240785601.html

    If missile tubes face forward or backward, CM could be launched at ANY SPEED!

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