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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:50 pm

    Since the lun and orlenok got cancelled are there any plans for the distant future to produce combat ekranoplanes? IMO they can have larger armament capacity, range, and be stealthier than conventional naval aircraft and would be cheaper and faster than ships making them good long range hit and run crafts and for sudden landings. An ekranoplane carrying 6 or 8 onix or klubs plus a SAM casette incase an enemy aircraft stumbls upon it and a succesor of the orlenok with a larger payload would be interesting. Would it be a good idea to continue work on them or it would be better to just invest in submarines for sudden naval attack and landing ships and hovercraft for landing operations?
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:18 am

    The main problems of the Ekranoplan are that they are not cheap, and they operate at low altitudes where jet engines are not very efficient. They also operate through storms instead of over them like planes do.

    They also seem to need enormous horizontal tail surfaces as well, which is not a good thing.

    There certainly is potential there, but I think they need to go really big to get the maximum benefit of the concept, which is an enormous risk.
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    Post  Viktor on Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:09 pm

    Interesting development of WIG planes in Russia

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    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/39022/
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    Post  TheArmenian on Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:19 pm

    Marketing document about above EKRANOPLAN in PDF format:

    http://www.aviationunion.ru/Files/Nom_8_Orion.pdf
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    Post  Cyberspec on Wed May 20, 2015 6:13 am

    Sounds almost too good to be true but are we going to see -

    the return of the Ekranoplans  Question   Twisted Evil

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    The Central Design Bureau "CKB R.E. Alekseev" presented at the "Marine Industry Forum" an ekranoplane design of the coastal zone type with a take off weight of 60t.

    The Direktor and chief designer of concern "Morinformsistem-Agat" Georgi Ancev, informed the press that the CKB-Alekseev is working on a ocean going ekranoplan design with a take off weight of 500t (significantly bigger than the Soviet designs).

    "We need a oceanic zone ekranoplan with takeoff weight of 500 tons. Such developments are carried out in the CDB Alekseev. Now comes the stage of the reboot of the Soviet period, we are currently looking for a customer-defined research and development, modeling, prototyping" – quotes RIA Novosti, Ancev.

    http://www.armstrade.org/includes/periodics/news/2015/0519/172029214/detail.shtml
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    Post  GarryB on Wed May 20, 2015 9:44 am

    Well the aircraft depicted in the photo above has improvement potential with the 6 large AShMs being potentially replaced by the slimmer UKSK launchers on an angle with the potential for three rows of 8 missiles in the ready to fire mode using the same sized aircraft... or potentially rather more launchers semi recessed into the new aircraft fuselage...
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    Post  Cyberspec on Wed May 20, 2015 9:52 am

    @Garry, Definately....there's a lot of potential

    Although the direktor is talking about both civilian as well as military applications.

    The smaller coastal 60t design might be this one (just a guess)

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    Post  Zivo on Thu May 21, 2015 1:23 am

    Some samples from the Russian start-up Sky and Sea Group.

    http://sky-and-sea.net/

    Burevestnik-24:

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    HSA-500 concept with a 300t cargo capacity.

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    Ekranoplans preform just as well on ice as they do on water, and could easily be deployed in the arctic for practically every conceivable mission due to their speed and payload. Russia still retains engineers who have real world experience designing and building these vessels. There's a real possibility these could be revived, but of course, it all depends on budget.


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat May 30, 2015 6:46 pm

    oh well maybe not exactly Caspian Monster but surely ekranoplans are back. I wonder what apps? ASW? SAR? Patron? antiship? Landing crafts?

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150530/1067303152.html

    MOSCOW, may 30 — RIA Novosti. Russia returns to the design and construction of the wig, they are included in the programme of shipbuilding until 2050, said Saturday the head of the shipbuilding of the Russian Navy captain 1st rank Vladimir Trapeznikov.
    Earlier in Russia was used to develop the wig, however, currently in the Navy of the Russian Federation there is only one such ship, which is conserved in the Caspian sea.
    "In shipbuilding, we have included a section "development of ekranoplans"," — said Trapeznikov on radio "Echo Of Moscow".
    He added that the ekranoplan is a multipurpose ship that can perform a number of tasks and on the water and in the air.


    This beauty is my ekranoplan love

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    Post  Zivo on Sat May 30, 2015 8:20 pm

    Some samples from the Russian start-up Sky and Sea Group.

    http://sky-and-sea.net/

    Burevestnik-24:

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    HSA-500 concept with a 300t cargo capacity.

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    Ekranoplans preform just as well on ice as they do on water, and could easily be deployed in the arctic for practically every conceivable mission due to their speed and payload. Russia still retains engineers who have real world experience designing and building these vessels. There's a real possibility these could be revived, but of course, it all depends on budget. We will just have to wait and see.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat May 30, 2015 8:26 pm

    c´mon ekranoplan is based either old German or USA/Israeli concept like Armata lol1 lol1 lol! lol1 lol1 lol! lol1 lol1


    As for your pics luv this majestic monster Smile
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat May 30, 2015 8:50 pm

    Zivo wrote:
    HSA-500 concept with a 300t cargo capacity.

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    In this case I say: go big or go home! russia
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sat May 30, 2015 8:56 pm

    Imagine ekranoplanes crossing the arctic and rapdily deploying a massive invasion force on the canadian tundra..
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat May 30, 2015 9:19 pm


    look at my beauty and beast in one. Could fly as high as 10km with 760km/h and 4,000kg payload. With new engines and avionics could make difference in fending off NATO subs.

    This is good for Arctic sea denial IMHO
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    Post  Zivo on Sat May 30, 2015 9:22 pm

    Robert Bartini, the guy who designed the Beriev VVA-14, was a true visionary. He had a brilliant mind, and undoubtedly was way
    ahead of his time. Here's his A-57 bomber concept from circa 1950. Even today, you can see the A-57's influence in futuristic aircraft/spacecraft concepts.

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    RIP Bartini.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Sep 09, 2015 1:12 pm


    ''When Fantasy Meets Reality: Russia Develops Heavy ‘Flying Ship’''

    http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150909/1026772726/russia-ekranoplan-development.html

    ''“Work on the A-050 ekranoplan with a takeoff weight of 50 tons is now ongoing at the Akekseyev Central Hydrofoil Design Bureau,” the CHDB’s chief designer Georgy Antsev said.

    “We are now ready to start building the prototype and we are in talks with several potential buyers, including foreign,” he added.''

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:42 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    ''When Fantasy Meets Reality: Russia Develops Heavy ‘Flying Ship’''

    http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150909/1026772726/russia-ekranoplan-development.html

    ''“Work on the A-050 ekranoplan with a takeoff weight of 50 tons is now ongoing at the Akekseyev Central Hydrofoil Design Bureau,” the CHDB’s chief designer Georgy Antsev said.

    “We are now ready to start building the prototype and we are in talks with several potential buyers, including foreign,” he added.''

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    I wonder if ekrnoplanes will be used in military roles or only as fairly fast transport platforms?


    BTW for Russian sub drones with thermon8cler warheads in drones´ section pls
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    Post  max steel on Sat Nov 07, 2015 3:11 pm

    Awesome soviet ekranoplan aircraft carrier project

    Ekranoplans - unique Soviet semi-boats semi-jets which could glide at very low altitudes above the sea and very quickly move troops or equipment or passengers this way. Sadly, not many of them survived and they didn't go into mass production. However, here is one more interesting project - a researcher tried to re-invent a Soviet idea - a giant Ekranoplan that could carry.. other aircraft, like the aircraft carrying ships of present.



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    Post  George1 on Sat Nov 07, 2015 3:16 pm

    It reminds me Star Trek's 'Enterprise' Constitution class cruiser
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Sat Nov 07, 2015 11:24 pm

    I don't think I'd like to be a member of the deck crew on that monstrous example of fanboi art! Loading ordnance to a jet while subject to winds of 550km/hr including jet wash from the bow engines??? Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

    On a more sensible note, its interesting to think of how the Lun could be deep-modernised with current technology - exchanging the Moskit launchers for Onyx would be a start (for naval strike) or long range land-attack Kalibre as a rapid-reaction cruise missile platform stalking the Caspian and Black seas? Then add modern radar, ECM, ECCM and communications and more efficient engines... A WIG vehicle would appear to be an ideal application for stealth low-observabliilty techniques, so go fully sick and build a new model with stealth shaping, hiding of engine internals and adding RAM.... She would quite a predator Very Happy Very Happy

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    Post  OminousSpudd on Sun Jan 17, 2016 4:39 am



    Yes I realize this isn't news and is rather nostalgia, but heck, it deserves a post here.
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Thu Sep 28, 2017 6:01 pm

    Sorry if it's been mentioned before.

    Ekranoplans: Soviet secret weapons get a new lease of life

    https://www.rbth.com/science-and-tech/326266-ekranoplans-soviet-secret-weapons

    Also are they really capable of flying in category 5 storms? I find that quite hard to believe and the fact being so close to the surface that big waves would simply wash it away the article even states a disadvantage is that it can fly on uneven surface surely a category 5 storm would create a massively uneven surface on the water obviously the sea will always be choppy and a bit wild which I am sure they can operate fine in but category 5 storms I ain't sure. Maybe someone can shed some light on the matter. But good news if they come back.

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    Post  flamming_python on Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:58 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:Sorry if it's been mentioned before.

    Ekranoplans: Soviet secret weapons get a new lease of life

    https://www.rbth.com/science-and-tech/326266-ekranoplans-soviet-secret-weapons

    Also are they really capable of flying in category 5 storms? I find that quite hard to believe and the fact being so close to the surface that big waves would simply wash it away the article even states a disadvantage is that it can fly on uneven surface surely a category 5 storm would create a massively uneven surface on the water obviously the sea will always be choppy and a bit wild which I am sure they can operate fine in but category 5 storms I ain't sure. Maybe someone can shed some light on the matter. But good news if they come back.


    I don't know about the Orlyonok, but it might be possible now.

    One of the big factors against wholesale Ekranoplan adoption back in the heyday of the Soviet program for them - was exactly their vulnerablity to storms and rough sea conditions. In effect this pretty much restricted them to the Caspian and the Azov seas. Even the Black Sea was a little too turbulent for them to be employed reliably there.

    However that generation of ekranoplans was a lot larger than the models currently being tested. I'm not sure if it's a factor; larger ships are afterall less affected by storms than smaller ones. But it could make sense that a smaller ekranoplane can 'ride' the waves so to speak while a larger one would be subject to turbulance and instability into multiple directions at once.

    Also, new alloys and materials have been developed since then, fly by wire systems with computer-calculated corrections even for unstable aerodynamic configurations, more powerful engines in smaller dimensions, and so on.
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    Post  TheArmenian on Fri Sep 29, 2017 4:46 pm

    Another factor against Ekranoplans are seabirds (gulls, terns etc.) and waterfowl (ducks, geese, etc.) that tend to be more common at those sea skimming altitudes.
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    Post  Singular_Transform on Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:40 pm

    The problems with the ekranoplans :
    Cost as much as a similar sized airplane
    has less capability than an airplane
    Restricted the weather condition when it can land/take off from water
    turning radius must be big( it can't lose altitude to turn)



    Practically the Ekranoplans is as expensive as an aircraft, but less capable.

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