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    KomissarBojanchev
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    Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:50 pm

    Since the lun and orlenok got cancelled are there any plans for the distant future to produce combat ekranoplanes? IMO they can have larger armament capacity, range, and be stealthier than conventional naval aircraft and would be cheaper and faster than ships making them good long range hit and run crafts and for sudden landings. An ekranoplane carrying 6 or 8 onix or klubs plus a SAM casette incase an enemy aircraft stumbls upon it and a succesor of the orlenok with a larger payload would be interesting. Would it be a good idea to continue work on them or it would be better to just invest in submarines for sudden naval attack and landing ships and hovercraft for landing operations?

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:18 am

    The main problems of the Ekranoplan are that they are not cheap, and they operate at low altitudes where jet engines are not very efficient. They also operate through storms instead of over them like planes do.

    They also seem to need enormous horizontal tail surfaces as well, which is not a good thing.

    There certainly is potential there, but I think they need to go really big to get the maximum benefit of the concept, which is an enormous risk.


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    Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat May 30, 2015 6:46 pm

    oh well maybe not exactly Caspian Monster but surely ekranoplans are back. I wonder what apps? ASW? SAR? Patron? antiship? Landing crafts?

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150530/1067303152.html

    MOSCOW, may 30 — RIA Novosti. Russia returns to the design and construction of the wig, they are included in the programme of shipbuilding until 2050, said Saturday the head of the shipbuilding of the Russian Navy captain 1st rank Vladimir Trapeznikov.
    Earlier in Russia was used to develop the wig, however, currently in the Navy of the Russian Federation there is only one such ship, which is conserved in the Caspian sea.
    "In shipbuilding, we have included a section "development of ekranoplans"," — said Trapeznikov on radio "Echo Of Moscow".
    He added that the ekranoplan is a multipurpose ship that can perform a number of tasks and on the water and in the air.


    This beauty is my ekranoplan love

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%92%D0%90-14








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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  Zivo on Sat May 30, 2015 8:20 pm

    Some samples from the Russian start-up Sky and Sea Group.

    http://sky-and-sea.net/

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    HSA-500 concept with a 300t cargo capacity.








    Ekranoplans preform just as well on ice as they do on water, and could easily be deployed in the arctic for practically every conceivable mission due to their speed and payload. Russia still retains engineers who have real world experience designing and building these vessels. There's a real possibility these could be revived, but of course, it all depends on budget. We will just have to wait and see.

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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat May 30, 2015 8:26 pm

    c´mon ekranoplan is based either old German or USA/Israeli concept like Armata lol1 lol1 lol! lol1 lol1 lol! lol1 lol1


    As for your pics luv this majestic monster Smile

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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat May 30, 2015 8:50 pm

    Zivo wrote:
    HSA-500 concept with a 300t cargo capacity.



    In this case I say: go big or go home! russia

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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sat May 30, 2015 8:56 pm

    Imagine ekranoplanes crossing the arctic and rapdily deploying a massive invasion force on the canadian tundra..

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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat May 30, 2015 9:19 pm


    look at my beauty and beast in one. Could fly as high as 10km with 760km/h and 4,000kg payload. With new engines and avionics could make difference in fending off NATO subs.

    This is good for Arctic sea denial IMHO

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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  Zivo on Sat May 30, 2015 9:22 pm

    Robert Bartini, the guy who designed the Beriev VVA-14, was a true visionary. He had a brilliant mind, and undoubtedly was way
    ahead of his time. Here's his A-57 bomber concept from circa 1950. Even today, you can see the A-57's influence in futuristic aircraft/spacecraft concepts.





    RIP Bartini.


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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  max steel on Sat Nov 07, 2015 3:11 pm

    Awesome soviet ekranoplan aircraft carrier project

    Ekranoplans - unique Soviet semi-boats semi-jets which could glide at very low altitudes above the sea and very quickly move troops or equipment or passengers this way. Sadly, not many of them survived and they didn't go into mass production. However, here is one more interesting project - a researcher tried to re-invent a Soviet idea - a giant Ekranoplan that could carry.. other aircraft, like the aircraft carrying ships of present.












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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  George1 on Sat Nov 07, 2015 3:16 pm

    It reminds me Star Trek's 'Enterprise' Constitution class cruiser


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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  Big_Gazza on Sat Nov 07, 2015 11:24 pm

    I don't think I'd like to be a member of the deck crew on that monstrous example of fanboi art! Loading ordnance to a jet while subject to winds of 550km/hr including jet wash from the bow engines??? Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

    On a more sensible note, its interesting to think of how the Lun could be deep-modernised with current technology - exchanging the Moskit launchers for Onyx would be a start (for naval strike) or long range land-attack Kalibre as a rapid-reaction cruise missile platform stalking the Caspian and Black seas? Then add modern radar, ECM, ECCM and communications and more efficient engines... A WIG vehicle would appear to be an ideal application for stealth low-observabliilty techniques, so go fully sick and build a new model with stealth shaping, hiding of engine internals and adding RAM.... She would quite a predator Very Happy Very Happy


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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  OminousSpudd on Sun Jan 17, 2016 4:39 am



    Yes I realize this isn't news and is rather nostalgia, but heck, it deserves a post here.

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