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    KomissarBojanchev

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    Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:50 pm

    Since the lun and orlenok got cancelled are there any plans for the distant future to produce combat ekranoplanes? IMO they can have larger armament capacity, range, and be stealthier than conventional naval aircraft and would be cheaper and faster than ships making them good long range hit and run crafts and for sudden landings. An ekranoplane carrying 6 or 8 onix or klubs plus a SAM casette incase an enemy aircraft stumbls upon it and a succesor of the orlenok with a larger payload would be interesting. Would it be a good idea to continue work on them or it would be better to just invest in submarines for sudden naval attack and landing ships and hovercraft for landing operations?
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    ekranoplanes

    Post  GarryB on Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:18 am

    The main problems of the Ekranoplan are that they are not cheap, and they operate at low altitudes where jet engines are not very efficient. They also operate through storms instead of over them like planes do.

    They also seem to need enormous horizontal tail surfaces as well, which is not a good thing.

    There certainly is potential there, but I think they need to go really big to get the maximum benefit of the concept, which is an enormous risk.
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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  Viktor on Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:09 pm

    Interesting development of WIG planes in Russia



    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/39022/
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    Interesting development of WIG planes in Russia

    Post  TheArmenian on Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:19 pm

    Marketing document about above EKRANOPLAN in PDF format:

    http://www.aviationunion.ru/Files/Nom_8_Orion.pdf
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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  Cyberspec on Wed May 20, 2015 6:13 am

    Sounds almost too good to be true but are we going to see -

    the return of the Ekranoplans  Question   Twisted Evil



    The Central Design Bureau "CKB R.E. Alekseev" presented at the "Marine Industry Forum" an ekranoplane design of the coastal zone type with a take off weight of 60t.

    The Direktor and chief designer of concern "Morinformsistem-Agat" Georgi Ancev, informed the press that the CKB-Alekseev is working on a ocean going ekranoplan design with a take off weight of 500t (significantly bigger than the Soviet designs).

    "We need a oceanic zone ekranoplan with takeoff weight of 500 tons. Such developments are carried out in the CDB Alekseev. Now comes the stage of the reboot of the Soviet period, we are currently looking for a customer-defined research and development, modeling, prototyping" – quotes RIA Novosti, Ancev.

    http://www.armstrade.org/includes/periodics/news/2015/0519/172029214/detail.shtml
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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  GarryB on Wed May 20, 2015 9:44 am

    Well the aircraft depicted in the photo above has improvement potential with the 6 large AShMs being potentially replaced by the slimmer UKSK launchers on an angle with the potential for three rows of 8 missiles in the ready to fire mode using the same sized aircraft... or potentially rather more launchers semi recessed into the new aircraft fuselage...
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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  Cyberspec on Wed May 20, 2015 9:52 am

    @Garry, Definately....there's a lot of potential

    Although the direktor is talking about both civilian as well as military applications.

    The smaller coastal 60t design might be this one (just a guess)

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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  Zivo on Thu May 21, 2015 1:23 am

    Some samples from the Russian start-up Sky and Sea Group.

    http://sky-and-sea.net/

    Burevestnik-24:







    HSA-500 concept with a 300t cargo capacity.








    Ekranoplans preform just as well on ice as they do on water, and could easily be deployed in the arctic for practically every conceivable mission due to their speed and payload. Russia still retains engineers who have real world experience designing and building these vessels. There's a real possibility these could be revived, but of course, it all depends on budget.


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    Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat May 30, 2015 6:46 pm

    oh well maybe not exactly Caspian Monster but surely ekranoplans are back. I wonder what apps? ASW? SAR? Patron? antiship? Landing crafts?

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150530/1067303152.html

    MOSCOW, may 30 — RIA Novosti. Russia returns to the design and construction of the wig, they are included in the programme of shipbuilding until 2050, said Saturday the head of the shipbuilding of the Russian Navy captain 1st rank Vladimir Trapeznikov.
    Earlier in Russia was used to develop the wig, however, currently in the Navy of the Russian Federation there is only one such ship, which is conserved in the Caspian sea.
    "In shipbuilding, we have included a section "development of ekranoplans"," — said Trapeznikov on radio "Echo Of Moscow".
    He added that the ekranoplan is a multipurpose ship that can perform a number of tasks and on the water and in the air.


    This beauty is my ekranoplan love

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%92%D0%90-14







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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  Zivo on Sat May 30, 2015 8:20 pm

    Some samples from the Russian start-up Sky and Sea Group.

    http://sky-and-sea.net/

    Burevestnik-24:







    HSA-500 concept with a 300t cargo capacity.








    Ekranoplans preform just as well on ice as they do on water, and could easily be deployed in the arctic for practically every conceivable mission due to their speed and payload. Russia still retains engineers who have real world experience designing and building these vessels. There's a real possibility these could be revived, but of course, it all depends on budget. We will just have to wait and see.
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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat May 30, 2015 8:26 pm

    c´mon ekranoplan is based either old German or USA/Israeli concept like Armata lol1 lol1 lol! lol1 lol1 lol! lol1 lol1


    As for your pics luv this majestic monster Smile
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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat May 30, 2015 8:50 pm

    Zivo wrote:
    HSA-500 concept with a 300t cargo capacity.



    In this case I say: go big or go home! russia
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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sat May 30, 2015 8:56 pm

    Imagine ekranoplanes crossing the arctic and rapdily deploying a massive invasion force on the canadian tundra..
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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat May 30, 2015 9:19 pm


    look at my beauty and beast in one. Could fly as high as 10km with 760km/h and 4,000kg payload. With new engines and avionics could make difference in fending off NATO subs.

    This is good for Arctic sea denial IMHO
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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  Zivo on Sat May 30, 2015 9:22 pm

    Robert Bartini, the guy who designed the Beriev VVA-14, was a true visionary. He had a brilliant mind, and undoubtedly was way
    ahead of his time. Here's his A-57 bomber concept from circa 1950. Even today, you can see the A-57's influence in futuristic aircraft/spacecraft concepts.





    RIP Bartini.

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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Sep 09, 2015 1:12 pm


    ''When Fantasy Meets Reality: Russia Develops Heavy ‘Flying Ship’''

    http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150909/1026772726/russia-ekranoplan-development.html

    ''“Work on the A-050 ekranoplan with a takeoff weight of 50 tons is now ongoing at the Akekseyev Central Hydrofoil Design Bureau,” the CHDB’s chief designer Georgy Antsev said.

    “We are now ready to start building the prototype and we are in talks with several potential buyers, including foreign,” he added.''


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    Ekranoplans

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:42 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    ''When Fantasy Meets Reality: Russia Develops Heavy ‘Flying Ship’''

    http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150909/1026772726/russia-ekranoplan-development.html

    ''“Work on the A-050 ekranoplan with a takeoff weight of 50 tons is now ongoing at the Akekseyev Central Hydrofoil Design Bureau,” the CHDB’s chief designer Georgy Antsev said.

    “We are now ready to start building the prototype and we are in talks with several potential buyers, including foreign,” he added.''



    I wonder if ekrnoplanes will be used in military roles or only as fairly fast transport platforms?


    BTW for Russian sub drones with thermon8cler warheads in drones´ section pls
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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  max steel on Sat Nov 07, 2015 3:11 pm

    Awesome soviet ekranoplan aircraft carrier project

    Ekranoplans - unique Soviet semi-boats semi-jets which could glide at very low altitudes above the sea and very quickly move troops or equipment or passengers this way. Sadly, not many of them survived and they didn't go into mass production. However, here is one more interesting project - a researcher tried to re-invent a Soviet idea - a giant Ekranoplan that could carry.. other aircraft, like the aircraft carrying ships of present.











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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  George1 on Sat Nov 07, 2015 3:16 pm

    It reminds me Star Trek's 'Enterprise' Constitution class cruiser
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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  Big_Gazza on Sat Nov 07, 2015 11:24 pm

    I don't think I'd like to be a member of the deck crew on that monstrous example of fanboi art! Loading ordnance to a jet while subject to winds of 550km/hr including jet wash from the bow engines??? Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

    On a more sensible note, its interesting to think of how the Lun could be deep-modernised with current technology - exchanging the Moskit launchers for Onyx would be a start (for naval strike) or long range land-attack Kalibre as a rapid-reaction cruise missile platform stalking the Caspian and Black seas? Then add modern radar, ECM, ECCM and communications and more efficient engines... A WIG vehicle would appear to be an ideal application for stealth low-observabliilty techniques, so go fully sick and build a new model with stealth shaping, hiding of engine internals and adding RAM.... She would quite a predator Very Happy Very Happy

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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  OminousSpudd on Sun Jan 17, 2016 4:39 am



    Yes I realize this isn't news and is rather nostalgia, but heck, it deserves a post here.

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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  Firebird on Mon Oct 09, 2017 6:05 pm

    I wonder if ekranoplans could be used to host S-500 ABM complexes.
    Say vs a rival like the USA. They could be parked 1000 miles from the US shore.
    The advantage over ships is stealth and speed. And with speed they can be smaller as they don't need large amounts of supplies. The idea would be that they could shoot down US ICBMs in mid flight ie before they have split into MIRVs etc. Potentially easier than shooting them down over/near to Russia.

    A more complex idea would be that ekranoplans could somehow submerge ie convert to submarines and hide from any attempts at discovery. The idea of a submarine-plane hybrid has been looked at by the Ru military I understand. Although ofcourse it would not be cheap.

    As ekranoplans can fly far above water, I wonder if they could take off and shoot down ICBMs from the air. The Russian military has said that it anticipates the next ABM after the S-500 to be carried from planes.

    My other suspicion is that long term, missiles might actually carry their own lasers to destroy ICMBs or cruise missiles. The reasoning is, that they might get close to an impact but to connect is quite a bit harder. Currently Russia is looking at "a missile that carries mini missiles". So why not have a missile carrying lasers?

    Russia's current problem is the US has bases on her borders. But Russia does not. Even though Venezuela and Cuba etc would most likely agree to helping Russia
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    Re: Development of Ekranoplans

    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Oct 09, 2017 6:08 pm

    You have quite the imagination my friend.

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    Post  Firebird on Mon Oct 09, 2017 8:09 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:You have quite the imagination my friend.


    : D
    Yes its a step up from what is currently in service. BUT most of it is what has been looked at, OR is being looked at currently.

    The most tricky part seems to be an ekrano/mini sub hybrid aspect.

    Ultimately strategic defence is the part of the Ru defence industry with the highest budget.
    You could say that the current hundreds of ICBMs plus dozens of subs plus 100s of bombers is rather an expensive solution. Hypersonic planes were looked at as a cheaper alternative to fighting America's Star Wars and ABM programmes.

    So I think that ekranoplanes might be worth looking at for ABM defence.
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    Russia is developing a superheavy ekranoplan for the military.

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Oct 28, 2017 1:55 am

    Russia is developing a superheavy ekranoplan for the military.
    ..with a ship weight of 600 tons at a length of 93 meters and a wingspan of 71 meters. It was decided to build such a large 1 because of the possibility of its operation in sea waves of 5-6 points.
    It is assumed that the range of the "Rescuer" will be several thousand kilometers, while the car can sit not only on the water, but on a flat solid surface. In terms of its dimensions, the ekranoplan will be comparable to the famous "Caspian Monster" in Soviet times. According to experts, such machines can become an ideal means of landing delivery. It is reported that the reduced models of the Rescuer have already been tested in the TsAGI wind tunnel in the Moscow region of Zhukovsky, and also in a special basin.
    Recall earlier reported that in Russia, completed work on the design of the new sea ekranoplan A-050, which will be fully equipped with Russian avionics and a modern navigation and aerobatic complex.
    https://vz.ru/news/2017/10/27/892670.html?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=24smi&utm_term=1341913
    I wonder if it can also fly in the airplane mode to avoid hills/mountains & unfriendly spaces.

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