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    Re: Colour Revolutions in the Former Soviet Republics

    Post  par far on Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:05 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    par far wrote:I really wish would become more involved in these countries to prevent these colour revolutions.

    Not just color revolution but even betrayment from so called allies like Bealrus and Kazakhstan.

    The FSB and other Russian intelligence agencies better be really active in Bealrus, that is the only quick access to Kalingrad.

    Russia needs to go on the offensive here, start trouble in US allied countries, they all have Achilles heels.

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    Post  ATLASCUB on Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:51 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Kazakhstan may as well be classified as an enemy of Russia at this point.

    http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/2018/01/17/us-creates-afghan-transit-route-with-counter-narrative-in-central-asia/

    Russians are no wiser. "Are Russians their own enemy at this point". What happened to lead by example? Only when Russia's shit was pushed in did Russia start to "fight" back - because Russians have no other choice other than to become servs of the current ruling empire. But Putin did kiss the masters ring, and everyone took notice. Now you all expect decade+ disdain for true allegiances and geopolitical engineering to happen overnight? Hell no. Not to mention the opposition can buy anyone out as long as they're willing. In the fight for biggest pocket, Russia loses soundly.

    Collapses have consequences yet Gorby still alive. Russians are indeed, their own worst enemy if you really look at it on a proper context.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:57 pm

    Thats true.
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    Re: Colour Revolutions in the Former Soviet Republics

    Post  kvs on Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:09 am

    ATLASCUB wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:Kazakhstan may as well be classified as an enemy of Russia at this point.

    http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/2018/01/17/us-creates-afghan-transit-route-with-counter-narrative-in-central-asia/

    Russians are no wiser. "Are Russians their own enemy at this point". What happened to lead by example? Only when Russia's shit was pushed in did Russia start to "fight" back - because Russians have no other choice other than to become servs of the current ruling empire. But Putin did kiss the masters ring, and everyone took notice. Now you all expect decade+ disdain for true allegiances and geopolitical engineering to happen overnight? Hell no. Not to mention the opposition can buy anyone out as long as they're willing. In the fight for biggest pocket, Russia loses soundly.

    Collapses have consequences yet Gorby still alive. Russians are indeed, their own worst enemy if you really look at it on a proper context.

    All you pontificators on Russia are really full of it.   The collapse of the USSR was not some speed bump.  It should have been terminal for
    Russia.   In fact, it has been terminal for Ukraine, Georgia and most of the non-Russian part of the USSR.   You smugly brush off the fact
    that under Putin, Russia freed itself from the western puppet oligarchy it got during the 1990s.   Ukraine and others failed in this regard and
    look where they are now.    

    For anyone to expect Russia to act like the USSR after 1991 requires a detachment from reality of mind-numbing levels.   Russia can only
    now start to protect itself properly.   It was not in this condition both economically and militarily back in 2000 or even 2008.    Putin clearly played NATO
    by projecting the image of a weak country, weaker than it actually was.    Hubris filled NATO leaders and deep state puppet master fell for
    it hook, line and sinker.   It was, after all, sweet music to their ears.    Now, in 2018, they are clearly panicking to the point of talk of WWIII.
    These losers, who really are their own worst enemies, have figured out that they knew sh*t about Russia's condition.    But like Obama they
    are still masturbating themselves with retarded projection that Russia is some banana republic "that doesn't make anything".   These retards
    actually thought the sanctions they imposed in 2014 would bring Russia to its knees.   Well, we know what an epic fail that has been.

    Spare all the wailing about Russia not controlling Ukraine or Armenia like some colonial power.   In light of the collapse of the 1990s (worst
    depression in modern history:  US lost 25% of its GDP during the 1930s and was saved by WWII, Russia lost over 50% of its GDP and had
    to dig itself out of this hole), the fact that Russia can now intervene in Syria is a historic event.   It is not obliged to "win" in Armenia to
    prove itself.    Let the global ruler wannabe NATO west take care of these tar babies.   Let's see how far it gets them.
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    Re: Colour Revolutions in the Former Soviet Republics

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:35 am


    One of few guys whose opinion I trust and he has this to say:

    Events in Armenia: not a ‘colour revolution’

    http://theduran.com/events-in-armenia-not-a-colour-revolution/

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    Re: Colour Revolutions in the Former Soviet Republics

    Post  ATLASCUB on Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:32 pm

    kvs wrote:
    ATLASCUB wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:Kazakhstan may as well be classified as an enemy of Russia at this point.

    http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/2018/01/17/us-creates-afghan-transit-route-with-counter-narrative-in-central-asia/

    Russians are no wiser. "Are Russians their own enemy at this point". What happened to lead by example? Only when Russia's shit was pushed in did Russia start to "fight" back - because Russians have no other choice other than to become servs of the current ruling empire. But Putin did kiss the masters ring, and everyone took notice. Now you all expect decade+ disdain for true allegiances and geopolitical engineering to happen overnight? Hell no. Not to mention the opposition can buy anyone out as long as they're willing. In the fight for biggest pocket, Russia loses soundly.

    Collapses have consequences yet Gorby still alive. Russians are indeed, their own worst enemy if you really look at it on a proper context.

    All you pontificators on Russia are really full of it.   The collapse of the USSR was not some speed bump.  It should have been terminal for
    Russia.   In fact, it has been terminal for Ukraine, Georgia and most of the non-Russian part of the USSR.   You smugly brush off the fact
    that under Putin, Russia freed itself from the western puppet oligarchy it got during the 1990s.   Ukraine and others failed in this regard and
    look where they are now.    

    For anyone to expect Russia to act like the USSR after 1991 requires a detachment from reality of mind-numbing levels.   Russia can only
    now start to protect itself properly.   It was not in this condition both economically and militarily back in 2000 or even 2008.    Putin clearly played NATO
    by projecting the image of a weak country, weaker than it actually was.    Hubris filled NATO leaders and deep state puppet master fell for
    it hook, line and sinker.   It was, after all, sweet music to their ears.    Now, in 2018, they are clearly panicking to the point of talk of WWIII.
    These losers, who really are their own worst enemies, have figured out that they knew sh*t about Russia's condition.    But like Obama they
    are still masturbating themselves with retarded projection that Russia is some banana republic "that doesn't make anything".   These retards
    actually thought the sanctions they imposed in 2014 would bring Russia to its knees.   Well, we know what an epic fail that has been.

    Spare all the wailing about Russia not controlling Ukraine or Armenia like some colonial power.   In light of the collapse of the 1990s (worst
    depression in modern history:  US lost 25% of its GDP during the 1930s and was saved by WWII, Russia lost over 50% of its GDP and had
    to dig itself out of this hole), the fact that Russia can now intervene in Syria is a historic event.   It is not obliged to "win" in Armenia to
    prove itself.    Let the global ruler wannabe NATO west take care of these tar babies.   Let's see how far it gets them.

    The hell are you talking about....

    I was responding directly to a comment from another poster criticizing the Khazak govt. of aiding the U.S war effort in Afghanistan. I merely made the factual observation that even Russia, or better phrased, its ruling clique aided in this effort enthusiastically. It even came with a statue in New York....  Rolling Eyes  please... Thus, Russia is in no position to criticize or expect a different behavior from others if it does not lead by example. Putin did kiss the ring, even knowing full well of American intentions in the geopolitical arena, first with Yugoslavia (drawing first blood), then with further NATO expansion, even to the Baltic states, then with the IBM treaty and "missile shield" in Eastern Europe. Not to mention, the CIA's direct involvement in the War in Chechnya. Georgia as well....

    The U.S has gone as far as Russia has allowed it to go......each advance a test of its own power, and that of Russia, which has frankly been afraid to confront its enemy in the battlefields of the time.

    The one event that broke the camels back was Ukraine (and for obvious reason - since Russia is basically next) but the policy since then had been total and absolute appeasement. A total disregard for Russian interests, and criminal incompetence in the case of Ukraine. There is no spin that can obfuscate these things, there are no excuses that can hide ineptness, incompetence, weakness, and lack of leadership. The condition of Russia from x year to y year is the direct result of Soviet/Russian incompetence....own up. The ones that suffered the consequences were the little people, everyday Russians, and citizens of the CIS, not the bureaucrats that along with Gorby gave millions chaos, poverty, and to some, even war in the years to come. Yet these very bureaucrats suffered little to nothing, and live/d comfortably. If you want to look at the total opposite, look at China....where are the excuses, did they complain about the unfair burden of 1.3B people...... no, they actually turned that into an asset, and reformed. That's strong leadership, that's good leadership. 90 miles off the coast of the U.S is another example...

    As for the rest of your comments regarding the tales of NATO's mistakes (you mean American) and all the other bla bla bla... obviously not free from making mistakes but they sure as hell have been much more wiser in how an empire, and indeed the world is run. And for all intents and purposes, they still run it - and both you and I, live rather comfortably, at its heart, in North America.

    You ask for pity and understanding of such criminal incompetence, and poor leadership. The world and history does not care for such, and usually cruelly punishes it. You glorify Putin as if he is playing some master 4D chess when he himself made countless mistakes as well. In essence, you create the imagery that the events that occurred and its results were inevitable and unavoidable after such a catalytic event (as was the collapse of the USSR), and that it's Putin's plan all along to hold back and NOW has decided to play ball. This could not be further from the truth. He has been forced to play or yield in another major defeat. The empire keeps advancing, not retreating - and that should be clear to anyone not clouded by emotional attachment to one's own kin aka pride. Today they're banging at the walls of the castle, and they don't need to nuke the castle to bring it down - the collapse of the USSR should be a clear example of that.
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    Re: Colour Revolutions in the Former Soviet Republics

    Post  flamming_python on Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:43 pm

    The Nazarbayev clan is running scared at this point. You can tell. Of the increasing US and EU sanctions against Russia and various groups doing business with Russia. And he doesn't want to get caught up in the net.

    Nazarbayev the Elder has been around for a long time, the most out of all current ex-Soviet leaders in fact - and probably doesn't have much more than 5 years left of rule in him, whereupon he'll pass the mantle to one of his daughters. To lay the groundwork for that he's been trying to establish a partnership with America; he can't politically do a 180-degree turn himself but certainly he's laying the groundwork for a more anti-Russian policy by his successor.

    We've had the Kazakh abstention from backing Russia over the Syrian chemical accusation at the UN.. that by itself doesn't mean much. Obama famously also had the US abstain from a UN resolution against Israel's illegal settlements back in 2016; which the Israelis took as a massive betrayal. But fast forward 2 years and they're stalwart allies again.
    Over the past couple of years we've also had Kazakhstan move more and more to Kazakh language education, and just recently - announcing yet again the move to the Latin alphabet from the Cyrillic one. Again by themselves, these moves don't necessarily mean much. Kazakhstan is an independent country and has a right to structure its internal policies such as education as it deems fit. But combined with the moves in foreign politics, and the anti-Russian vector of it all becomes quite clear.

    The leasing of the Caspian Sea ports to the Americans on the other hand, while at first glance does not particularly hurt Russian interests - is symbolically a deeply, deeply unfriendly move. Especially done at a time when the US and Russia nearly got into a military conflict. Now Kazakhstan is effectively giving the US military access through their territory in order to maintain their presence in Afghanistan, and by so doing is also paving the way for the introduction of the US military into the Caspian Sea - the last body of water whereby Russia was safe and militarily uncontested.

    The possible military repercussions of this alone are enormous (never mind the possible political and economic ones). Not only can the Russian Caspian flotilla now be militarily contested from a possible American presence in Azeri and Kazakh ports, but if Kazakhstan moves out from the military alliance with Russia then it cuts off Russia's presence in the rest of Central Asia.. it also cuts off the entire united air-defence network between CSTO states; the loss of Kazakh S-300, Su-30 and MiG-31 capabilities in covering Russia's southern flank; and leaves the air defence assets in Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan in isolation.

    I guess this is a sort of worst-case scenario projection, but if the anti-Russian vector is followed then this will be the end result.
    Even on Youtube comments I can already see an increasing nationalistic shift of Kazakh opinions towards the Svidomite-style Russophobia of the Ukrainians. Some are talking about Bashar Assad the murderer, others about how its not in their interests to support Russia on Syria.. not in their interests? Are they not aware that half of Syria's foreign Jihadists come from the ex-USSR?
    Others are pouring dirt over Russia over ostensibly not supporting their allies and not starting WW3 with the US when Syria came under attack.. despite the fact that the strike was all smoke and mirrors and killed nobody.

    To me this policy of Kazakhstan looks suicidal from the political, economic and military viewpoint; considering Kazakhstan's current huge level of integration with not only Russia economically but also China. And neither of those countries will appreciate American inroads into a country wedged right between them.
    But, never underestimate the power of delusions and the corruption and self-service of oligarchical elites. As the Ukraine proved already.

    Now as for Lukashenko, he's also done some questionable moves lately.
    But Lukashenko is just being Lukashenko. He's always been trying to angle for more economic and political leverage against Russia. And he will continue.
    But he won't, I don't think, abandon the course of current state and military unification with Russia. Certainly not the military alliance. At the end of the day he has no reason to be worried about sanctions or loss of US/EU investments; he doesn't have much to lose - and he knows that even despite their turn of policy towards him, policies can again shift at any moment and he ultimately has nobody to back him up other than Russia.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:30 pm

    Apparently Kazakhstan denied a lot of the claims used recently about the US access. But anyway, I agree with you FP. And in the end, Kazakhstan can face much difficulty in the future if it aligns with US in this regard, as Kazakhstan can be isolated completely.

    I doubt Russia would sit by and allow that to happen.
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    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:12 am

    TheArmenian wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:http://vestnikkavkaza.net/news/Zvezda-TV-channel-about-heroization-of-fascism-in-Armenia.html

    Seems Armenia has been actively pushing EU bullshit and glorification of Nazis. Wow. Screw Armenia. I say help Azerbaijan.

    Mike,
    When I said "bugger-off" , I really meant it.

    Have you looked at the date of the article you posted (November 2017)?
    The current leader (Sargsyan) is a fan of that controversial Armenian historical figure (Garegin Njdeh) who was anti-communist.
    Being anti-communist is not necessarily being Nazi/Fascist.

    There is no such thing as Nazi/fascism support stupidity in Armenia. This is no Ukraine or Baltics.

    There is no such thing as white or black in Armenian politics. Everything comes in shades of gray. The governments plays politics, the opposition plays politics, the oligarchs play politics, the Russians play their politics etc. etc. eventually, despite all the West's efforts, Armenia stays pro-Russia because there is no other way.

    Once again, this is not Ukraine or Baltics. Stop basing your opinions and conclusions on what happened in Ukraine or on some articles here and there.

    I am no going to spend my time writing pages to educate you on Armenian politics.
    What you wrote above is sheer stupidity based on your complete lack of knowledge about the situation/politics of Armenia.
    You really want Russia to help its centuries old enemy (Turkey = Azerbaijan) against it's centuries old and most loyal ally (Armenia)?....Pleeeeeeeeaze!

    So, once again: bugger off and don't post anything based on your ignorance.

    P.S. Sargsyan now has resigned. He shouldn't have gotten himself elected in the first place. Hopefully things will work out fine very quickly.



    Sounds like Armenians are a bunch of fence-sitters.

    "Nothing is black and white so monuments to Nazi collaborators are OK."

    I can imagine Poland getting away with this. If Poles did something like that, then it would have been made into a major anti-Polish argument in Russia. But Armenia? They are Eastern Orthodox, so I guess they can get away with it.

    http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/nazi-armenian-weems.htm

    http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/Nazi-Collaboration.htm


    It is like the UPA thing in Russia, apparently lots of Russians think UPA was Catholic, but in reality half of it was Eastern Orthodox. There was at least one Eastern Orthodox priest who was a commander of an UPA unit in Volhynia.


    Enough with this Eastern Orthodox bull-shit.

    If whoever is going to screw Russia from the inside out, it will likely be the Armenians.

    "Friends" with benefits.

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    Post  Svyatoslavich on Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:41 am

    Odin of Ossetia wrote:But Armenia? They are Eastern Orthodox, so I guess they can get away with it.
    The major religion in Armenia is the Armenian Church, which split both from the Orthodox and Rome since the council of Chalcedonia in 451:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Apostolic_Church
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    Re: Colour Revolutions in the Former Soviet Republics

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:29 pm


    If Worst Comes to Worst in Armenia... Then it won’t be a big deal for Russia.

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/if-worst-comes-to-worst-in-armenia/

    Now to be sure, I still think my analysis here stands – Armenians genuinely do approve of Russia, and even if they didn’t, they certainly approve of Azerbaijan and Turkey far less, and with good reason – but if we do get an anti-Russian Armenian government…

    OTOH, Saakashvili also started off by saying he wanted better relations with Russia.

    Anyhow.

    What will happen if Armenia tells the moskal occupants to go home is that while the Starikovs and the Dugins and the Western Russophiles will throw a hissy fit, Russian nationalists will be quite platonic about it.

    Here’s why:

    1. Armenia benefits from its Russia relationship far more than does Russia. The Armenian Lobby is the most powerful ethnic lobby in Russian politics, and probably the only one that makes a discernible impact on Russian foreign policy.

    2. Armenia was a real geostrategic asset for the Russian Empire before World War I, when ethnic Armenians in the Ottoman Empire were a potential dagger in the backs of the Turks. Their desire to create a Greater Armenia tallied well with Russia’s centuries-long project to dismantle the Ottoman Empire, and it was their consequent loyalty to Petrograd that more than anything else spurred on the Armenian Genocide. Had Russia won the war, a Greater Armenia would have stretched deep into Anatolia, creating an Orthodox landbridge to Lebanon and the Holy Land. With Russia in control of Tsargrad, and the Greeks recreating Magna Graecia, the Turks would have been bottled up in the Anatolian highlands (perhaps no other nation was spared so catastrophic a 20th century fate as Turkey by the Russian Revolution). Russia, not Britain or the US, would have ruled over the Mediterranean.

    Today, these are all ancient pipedreams. The Mediterranean is an American lake and will remain so regardless of what happens in Syria. Turkey dominates the region, economically and demographically; if a century ago there around about as many Greeks and Armenians as there were Turks (!), today there are 80 million Turks to 10 million Greeks and 3 million Armenians. In this context, Armenia is strategically overrated. It is landlocked. It is surrounded by hostile and far more powerful states. It locks Russia into military commitments via the CSTO alliance – for instance, if the Turks were to open up a second front in support of an Azeri invasion of Nagorno-Karabakh. And Iran, a genuinely useful if prickly partner, is accessible via the Caspian anyway.

    3. There are negligible numbers of ethnic Russians in Armenia. An anti-Russian turn in Armenia will not impact on the welfare of ethnic Russians. Neither will Armenia reaping the results of its folly.

    4. Armenia’s friendship is highly situational. To be sure, it supports Russia today. And Jews also support the US. That doesn’t necessarily imply deep loyalty – just that both states advance their respective peoples’ ethnic genetic interests. When they perceived things were otherwise, they made that known. Obscure historical note: The “tradition” of terrorist bombings of the Moscow Metro began with Armenian nationalists in the 1970s.

    This is not surprising because Russia have any deep cultural, linguistic, or genetic links to Armenia. Is is its own ancient civilization that is highly distinct from Russia’s.

    Now ditching allies just because you know they aren’t that genuine in their love for you, or because they’re not not pulling their weight, doesn’t look good from the side. It’s not just bad from an ethical perspective, but a reputational one as well. Who’d want to be allies with a blackguard, anyway? This is why, unlike some Russian nationalists, I don’t support unilaterally dissolving the special relationship with Armenia. It’s dishonorable, and won’t bring obvious benefits anyway – for instance, it’s not like it will make Turkey into a genuine friend. However, this is not an excuse for allowing oneself to be cucked and enjoying it, so if the initiative comes from the Armenians themselves – well, no reason why Russia shouldn’t take them up on it.

    In this scenario, Azerbaijan will probably take the opportunity to resolve the Nagorno-Karabakh issue by force in the next few years. At least seeing the color revolutionaries vainly beseeching their Euro-Atlantic sponsors for help will be amusing. At this point, a rump Armenia terminally disillusioned with the West may go back to Russia anyway. But if it doesn’t, who cares, anyway. By then will be even more irrelevant than it is today.

    Main downside for Russia, apart from the obvious one of losing its last major (but isolated) military base in the South Caucasus, is hundreds of thousands of Armenian refugees, as the Azeris proceed to ethnically cleanse that region.

    Just to clarify. I don’t want Armenia to turn anti-Russian, nor – more importantly – do I think it will turn anti-Russian. Considering that both Foreign Policy magazine and the Kremlin agree, this is hardly a controversial perspective.

    However, if I and Foreign Policy and the Kremlin are all wrong, and the people who see an anti-Russian conspiracy underneath every color revolution are correct after all, it will, at least, not be Russians who will bear the brunt of the ensuing suffering, as happened in the Ukraine.

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    Post  ATLASCUB on Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:08 pm

    Joke of an article.

    He forgets Russia is practically a land-locked country as well, considering the Far East is massively underdeveloped and to the North they only have ice.

    Thus, encircling such a nation with enemies is a sure way to keep it contained, pressured, and limit its growth/potential growth. Not to mention other variables. It's no surprising that this is the sole goal and strategy of Russia's enemies. Nuke Russia? what for? to get nuked back? there are more subtle, less costly ways, just as effective in achieving the aim.

    We get these articles for practically every ally Russia loses...literally translates to.... "aint no big deal"

    LOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLL. What a waste of time.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:02 pm

    ATLASCUB wrote:.....
    He forgets Russia is practically a land-locked country as well, considering the Far East is massively underdeveloped and to the North they only have ice...........

    lol1



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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Tue May 01, 2018 4:43 pm

    I just wanted to point out that Russia has many thousnads of troops in Armenia and stands a great deal to lose in terms of trust if it refuses to help one of its allies.

    The logical reaction if there is a coup would be to simply stop it by killing its leaders and if that fails to assist the Armian military in the defence of thier country.

    And the best part of all this? Russia gains the trust of thier allies and it barley costs them anything.
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    Post  kvs on Wed May 02, 2018 3:01 am

    The-thing-next-door wrote:I just wanted to point out that Russia has many thousnads of troops in Armenia and stands a great deal to lose in terms of trust if it refuses to help one of its allies.

    The logical reaction if there is a coup would be to simply stop it by killing its leaders and if that fails to assist the Armian military in the defence of thier country.

    And the best part of all this? Russia gains the trust of thier allies and it barley costs them anything.

    You are simply wrong. Russia can only help its ally against foreign invaders. It cannot let it be seen to meddle in the domestic affairs of its ally.
    That would be Czechoslovakia all over again. It is up to Armenians to keep their house in order. How many Russian soldiers are stationed there
    makes no difference.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed May 02, 2018 3:03 am

    Russia needs to do what it is doing now... step back and let Armenians sort out their internal problems without Russian interference.

    Armenians wont appreciate Russians coming in and telling them what to do... Russia cannot solve these problems... Armenia has to decide on solutions it wants to move forward with.
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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Wed May 02, 2018 1:37 pm

    GarryB wrote:Russia needs to do what it is doing now... step back and let Armenians sort out their internal problems without Russian interference.

    Armenians wont appreciate Russians coming in and telling them what to do... Russia cannot solve these problems... Armenia has to decide on solutions it wants to move forward with.

    Russia can however chose to support and assist the Armenian goverment.

    And if a civil war breaks out Russia can intervene in order to help restre order.

    Russia can just do the same thing as they did in hunagry in the 1950s kill the terrorists and leave.

    It is Russias duty to protect thier allies and if they don't they start won't have any left.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu May 03, 2018 2:55 am

    The problem is that if the Armenian government asks for Russian help is that the same as the Armenian people asking for help?

    Should Russia assist an Armenian leader that does not have the popular support of the people?
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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Thu May 03, 2018 7:37 pm

    GarryB wrote:The problem is that if the Armenian government asks for Russian help is that the same as the Armenian people asking for help?

    Should Russia assist an Armenian leader that does not have the popular support of the people?

    If someone supports a ukiestan style illegal coup then they are a traitor and should be dealt with accordingly.

    In such a scenario Russia should just do the same thing they did in the 50s and send in the army not withdrawing until every last rebel,mercenary and cia agent is dead.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu May 03, 2018 8:38 pm

    The-thing-next-door wrote:
    GarryB wrote:The problem is that if the Armenian government asks for Russian help is that the same as the Armenian people asking for help?

    Should Russia assist an Armenian leader that does not have the popular support of the people?

    If someone supports a ukiestan style illegal coup then they are a traitor and should be dealt with accordingly.

    In such a scenario Russia should just do the same thing they did in the 50s and send in the army not withdrawing until every last rebel,mercenary and cia agent is dead.

    If it was possible, the coup would have happened. The guys are actually nothing more than useful idiots to other interests. Though there isn't any consensus of forces in the Parliament, so basically the real masterminds of this charade are waiting in the shadows.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat May 05, 2018 7:13 am

    At best if there is a threat to law and order Russian forces could go in and control things while things get sorted out like they did in the Crimea, but it would have to be with the cooperation of local military and police forces in the interests of keeping the peace and social order.
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    Post  kvs on Wed May 09, 2018 3:15 am

    https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/08/609364542/leader-of-armenias-velvet-revolution-takes-power-after-weeks-of-protests

    Triumph of idiocy.

    This clown better start lining up his country to rim job Uncle Scam since Russia is not going to stick its neck out.

    I bet one of the causes for this velvet coup was displeasure at Russia engaging Turkey in diplomacy. Who do you
    retards think that Uncle Scumbag has been supporting since basically WWI (the US prevented the formation of Kurdistan).
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed May 09, 2018 3:23 am

    He is trying to pleasure Moscow right now cause he knows that because of his little revolution, it could throw Armenia under the bus and lead to his death.
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    Post  kvs on Wed May 09, 2018 5:14 am

    miketheterrible wrote:He is trying to pleasure Moscow right now cause he knows that because of his little revolution, it could throw Armenia under the bus and lead to his death.

    Any clown that spends all his time at the US embassy cannot possibly be considered credible.

    As the Russian saying goes: the tongue has no bones (yazik kostei ne imeyet). And all sorts of
    BS can be spouted that has zero worth.

    Russia needs to pull its military assets out of Armenia ASAP.
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    Re: Colour Revolutions in the Former Soviet Republics

    Post  GarryB on Thu May 10, 2018 12:43 am

    What they need to do is prepare for the worst (ie transport aircraft ready) but talk to the guy.

    There are going to be people in Armenia who support him and people who don't... and neither will appreciate a foreign country coming in and making that decision for them... those who support him more than those that don't.

    Would America appreciate Russia going in in 2016 and removing Trump from power and putting Hilary in?

    Obviously that would not happen, but if it did you can bet your ass the Russians would be the bad guys...

    Of course they could have gone in and put one of the other candidates in power... I believe the female candidate Jill Stein for the Green party recently Tweeted:

    "Let's get this straight: Israel accused Iran of having a secret nuclear weapons program. Israel has a secret nuclear weapons program. Iran complies with all treaties and inspections. Israel complies with none. Who's the nuclear outlaw here?" Stein tweeted.

    (from this: https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201805081064260349-trump-iran-israel-nukes/ )

    Yeah, I think the world should invade the US to put Jill Stein into power...  Twisted Evil

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