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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  Russian Patriot on Sat Oct 08, 2011 12:14 am

    Hot news on topic:

    RIA Novosti


    Special sharpshooter units are being formed in Russia’s ground forces brigades

    MOSCOW, October 7 (RIA Novosti)

    Special sharpshooter units are being formed in Russia’s ground forces brigades, Defense Ministry spokesman Lt. Col. Sergey Vlasov said on Friday.

    The sniper units have already been set up in the ground forces and now they are being manned. “We are establishing a phased, multi-tiered system for selecting and training candidates, to teach them how to work as part of a unit and independently. All snipers will have special training once every three or four years,” Vlasov said.

    “Sniper units will be equipped with a number of different rifles with different characteristics,” he said.

    They will also have special target acquisition equipment, including portable lasers, binoculars and devices for computing ballistics data.

    http://www.en.ria.ru/mlitary_news/20111007/167464405.html

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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  GarryB on Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:03 am

    Work as part of a unit, or independently...


    That is interesting.

    I would expect that initially they will be armed with really accurate rifles like SV-98s, but that eventually they will get some sort of semi auto rifle like the SVD but possibly in 338 calibre.

    With this number of Snipers then it makes sense to mass produce dedicated sniper grade ammo, which will be very good for developers of accurate rifles in Russian calibres.

    The new modular small arms that includes a rifle to replace the AK will likely also include a rifle to replace the SVD as well...

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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  Cyberspec on Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:37 pm

    Apparently there will be a sniper company in each Infantry Brigade consisting of several platoons. 1 platoon will be staffed with contract soldiers and equipped with high precision and heavy sniper rifles. The other platoons will be equipped with SVD's/SV-98's

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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  Austin on Tue Oct 25, 2011 7:03 pm

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20111025/470585020.html
    On the "Interpolitech 2011" will present the armor-piercing sniper rifle

    "Instrument Design Bureau" (Tula) will present "Interpolitech 2011" large-caliber sniper rifle, capable of 600 meters to hit targets that are protected by means of body armor, told RIA Novosti on Tuesday Head of Branch State Unitary Enterprise "KBP" - "TsKIB COO" Irina Semenova.

    "We present the exhibition sniper rifle 12.7 mm WAC" - she said.

    According to her, the rifle is capable of hitting quiet, flameless shot at a distance of 600 meters different goals, including those protected by means of heavy body armor. Weapons are intended for use powerful weapons with subsonic speed of a bullet muffler and an original design. Large size provides high lethality.

    "Using a special patron of high-energy bullets provides a significant advantage for effective firing range, and the damaging effect of the breakdown in comparison with Russian and foreign models silent weapon," - said Semyonov.

    Compactness in the class of large-WAC rifles achieved by using the assembly scheme "bullpup".

    "The rifle is equipped with a mechanical eye dioptric type and universal rail for installation of various sighting devices. It is height adjustable bipod and fore-end of the butt pad," - said the agency interlocutor.

    GUP "Instrument Design Bureau" - one of the leading design organizations of the defense industry of Russia, a team which designed, utilized in mass production and delivered to the Russian Army, more than 140 models of weapons and military equipment. Currently, the company is a powerful scientific and production center, creating a system of the modern precision weapons. Technical solutions incorporated in the development PMA contain more than 5,000 inventions.

    International Exhibition of Security State "Interpolitech 2011" opened Tuesday at the Russian Exhibition Center in Moscow. The exhibition will run until October 28, will be attended by 322 Russian and 25 foreign manufacturers of special equipment, weapons and safety equipment from 12 countries. The exhibition will be on display about 300 samples of military products, the latest developments will demonstrate the Russian Interior Ministry and FSB Border Service of Russia.

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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  TheArmenian on Tue Oct 25, 2011 8:52 pm

    Austin wrote:http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20111025/470585020.html
    On the "Interpolitech 2011" will present the armor-piercing sniper rifle

    "Instrument Design Bureau" (Tula) will present "Interpolitech 2011" large-caliber sniper rifle, capable of 600 meters to hit targets that are protected by means of body armor, told RIA Novosti on Tuesday Head of Branch State Unitary Enterprise "KBP" - "TsKIB COO" Irina Semenova.

    "We present the exhibition sniper rifle 12.7 mm WAC" - she said.

    According to her, the rifle is capable of hitting quiet, flameless shot at a distance of 600 meters different goals, including those protected by means of heavy body armor. Weapons are intended for use powerful weapons with subsonic speed of a bullet muffler and an original design. Large size provides high lethality.

    "Using a special patron of high-energy bullets provides a significant advantage for effective firing range, and the damaging effect of the breakdown in comparison with Russian and foreign models silent weapon," - said Semyonov.

    Compactness in the class of large-WAC rifles achieved by using the assembly scheme "bullpup".

    "The rifle is equipped with a mechanical eye dioptric type and universal rail for installation of various sighting devices. It is height adjustable bipod and fore-end of the butt pad," - said the agency interlocutor.

    GUP "Instrument Design Bureau" - one of the leading design organizations of the defense industry of Russia, a team which designed, utilized in mass production and delivered to the Russian Army, more than 140 models of weapons and military equipment. Currently, the company is a powerful scientific and production center, creating a system of the modern precision weapons. Technical solutions incorporated in the development PMA contain more than 5,000 inventions.

    International Exhibition of Security State "Interpolitech 2011" opened Tuesday at the Russian Exhibition Center in Moscow. The exhibition will run until October 28, will be attended by 322 Russian and 25 foreign manufacturers of special equipment, weapons and safety equipment from 12 countries. The exhibition will be on display about 300 samples of military products, the latest developments will demonstrate the Russian Interior Ministry and FSB Border Service of Russia.

    I am thinking it is this gun or a new variant of it: http://world.guns.ru/sniper/large-caliber-sniper-rifles/rus/vks-vssk-vychlop-e.html

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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 26, 2011 5:12 am

    I agree with TheArmenian, this looks like the VSSK, which is rather interesting.

    It will certainly be useful against enemy forces wearing body armour, but who will be using this?

    Let me put it this way... in the Russian Army of the past there were two types of "snipers".
    One was someone who seemed to show good skills in shooting and was given a little extra shooting training and swapped their AK-74 for an SVD. They were given a rifle and ammo that was useful out to about 600m or so and they would operate with their platoon most of the time as extended range accurate fire power. In other words the SVD, RPK and PK could engage targets beyond assault rifle range of about 200-300m.
    The other sniper in the Russian military worked for the GRU or army intel and would operate in small groups on the battlefield... they were pretty much UCAVs but stuck on the ground. Their job most of the time was finding targets and enemy forces on the battlefield and then reporting that info back to HQ with the occasional shot when priority targets were found.
    They were armed with SVDs and would generally engage targets at about 600-800m at most.

    The new structure seems to add dedicated sniper platoons to infantry regiments, which means you can split those sniper platoons into groups of sniper teams and send them out to recon or blocking or other missions. They would likely benefit most with a long range gun, and considering what rifles are known I suspect their standard rifle will focus more on accuracy than rate of fire and will therefore be something like the SV-98 in 338 Lapua Mag calibre which will enable target engagement out to 1,500m.

    In each standard infantry platoon there will still be a "designated marksman" equipped with a semi automatic rifle like the SVD or its future replacement.

    Now a heavy brigade, medium brigade, and light brigade have different roles and will be used in different situations. I would think forces fighting well equipped enemy will need this new rifle to defeat body armour equipped forces. The VSSK at about 6.5kgs is not actually heavier than many sniper rifles in 7.62 x 51mm calibre, so it could be used as a designated marksman rifle.

    In a sniper platoon on a quiet mission the snipers armed with VSSKs and the spotters armed with AS suppressed assault rifles would be a very quiet combination.
    The AS rifles could perhaps be fitted with the BS-1 suppressed grenade launcher:

    http://world.guns.ru/grenade/rus/bs-1-tishina-e.html

    to complete the tool set...

    Of course a question I have is are these new sniper platoons to replace GRU units that would operate independently of local units, or in addition to GRU units?

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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  TheArmenian on Wed Oct 26, 2011 5:50 pm

    This silent VSSK is more like a "special purpose" weapon that will equip only select specialized units. It is not regular forces anti-material/heavy sniper weapon like the OSV-96, KSVK or SVN-98 that are not silenced.

    As to which units? The Russians don't talk too much about heavy sniper weapons and don't seem to export them either. The truth is out there...

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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  GarryB on Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:55 am

    I agree, the VSSK was developed for the FSB rather than the military and was for use against criminals using heavy body armour.

    I think it is this purpose designed rifle and ammo for use against enemy forces wearing heavy body armour up to 600m would make it ideal for an infantry rifle to replace the SVD as their role is to target enemy forces out to 600m which might include targets with body armour.

    They could probably make the suppressor removable to lighten the weapon in combat as in a normal conflict no one is going to hear the bang of a rifle from 600m and with a subsonic bullet the anti personnel effect would warrant its use.

    The rifle itself at 6.5kgs is actually comparable to 30 calibre sniper rifles like the SV-98 and would be lighter than a bolt action 338LM rifle (which would weigh in the region of 8-9kgs) or a high velocity 50 cal rifle in the 10-12kg range.

    Keep in mind that in a standard motor rifle or tank unit there are soldiers already equipped with VSS and AS 9mm suppressed rifles with a recon role.

    What I am trying to say is that if platoon based marksmen have a requirement to hit point targets out to 600m and might face an enemy with body armour then issuing the VSSK makes more sense than issuing an SVDS.

    For Sniper platoon snipers a mix of a bolt action and a semi automatic rifle makes sense, with SV-98 in 338LM calibre and initially SVDSs, but later a 338LM calibre semi automatic replacement to allow both to engage targets to 1,500m or so.

    For GRU snipers they will need a mix of weapons from short range (SV-99), medium range (SVD, VSSK), long range (SV-98 and SV-98_338 and the new SVD replacement in 338), and extended long range and anti material (OSV-96 and KSVK).

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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  TheArmenian on Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:23 am

    I doubt VSSK will find widespread use because:
    - It is probably too expensive.
    - It uses specialized (very expensive) ammunition in an odd caliber 12.7x54
    - The much more affordable and lighter ASV Val, Vintoretz and VSK in 9x 39 already do a good job in piercing body armour at ranges up to 300m+
    - Anything beyond that range doesn't really require a silencer on the battlefield (as you mentioned).

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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:31 am

    I doubt VSSK will find widespread use because:
    - It is probably too expensive.

    The SVD is not cheap and the SV-98 is actually quite expensive so I don't see a problem in that regard.
    The VSSK is designed for use at up to 600m so it doesn't need to be a super accurate highly tuned precision machine... it can be fairly similar to the SVD.


    - It uses specialized (very expensive) ammunition in an odd caliber 12.7x54

    All sniper ammo is more expensive than standard ammo, but producing it in large numbers reduces that expense.
    9 x 39mm ammo was an odd calibre till the VSS and AS became relatively widely deployed to use it.

    - The much more affordable and lighter ASV Val, Vintoretz and VSK in 9x 39 already do a good job in piercing body armour at ranges up to 300m+

    Th job requirement is to penetrate heavy body armour at 200-300m, which the 9 x 39mm is not able to do.

    - Anything beyond that range doesn't really require a silencer on the battlefield (as you mentioned).

    The VSSK revealed so far has a silencer built in because of its role with FSB and police forces.
    In the Army role they might simply use a standard barrel without a suppressor resulting in a slightly higher muzzle velocity and better performance.

    Obviously it is speculation on my part, but you agree the rifle they seem to be talking about sounds like a VSSK. What it might turn out to be is an Army version, perhaps with a semi automatic mechanism instead of a manual straight pull system and perhaps a 10 round mag instead of a 5 round mag, with a slightly longer barrel and no suppressor for higher velocity shooting with the same ammo.

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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 28, 2011 6:46 am

    The Russians have never been backwards in coming up with new specialised ammo for specific roles...

    The propellent makers have said they have been told to improve the performance of small arms by 2.5-3 times by 2020, now increased muzzle velocities, more consistent burning powder that is cleaner and improves accuracy, more efficient bullet shapes that are effective to longer ranges (effective meaning accurate and lethal).

    We know there is a new rifle to be tested... no doubt there will be competition... and the last competition Kalashnikov lost.

    There is also a from scratch weapon system design that might even use a different calibre, perhaps has optics as standard, including night vision or range finding and ballistics computers etc etc.

    Their goals are for 21st C forces for use against 21st C forces, in which case a VSSK would make sense over an SVD, especially with higher velocity ammo options and longer barrels where being quiet is not so important.
    It would certainly be easier to tote around than a 12.7 x 108mm rifle.

    For targets up to 600m they would be fine, while for the sniper platoon a 338 SV-98 would allow target engagement out to 1,500m or so, with a new semi auto design in 338 for targets out to 1,000-1,200m or so but with a much quicker follow up shot capacity.
    When the enemy is known to not wear heavy body armour then the SVD would be fine out to 600m as is, as it is lighter than the other weapons mentioned... and it is in stores.

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    Post  Austin on Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:03 pm

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    Post  TheArmenian on Sat Oct 29, 2011 3:35 pm

    New high quality rifle maker in Russia: www.orsis.com

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    Post  TheArmenian on Sun Oct 30, 2011 2:58 pm

    The VSSK together with the OSV-96 at the Interpolitex-2011 exhibition.



    More photos from the show: http://www.missiles.ru/Interpolitex-UVSTECH-2011_foto.htm

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:19 am

    That sounds like my kind of party.

    Anyone here going?

    It would certainly be a good place to reveal the AK-200 as long as the Government gives its permission.

    Last year there was talk of tests this year, but new talk of tests next year suggest a redesign.

    I wonder if the ADS will be entered for the competition too, and I wonder what the makers of the Abakan will put forward.

    The military have basically said that they want a Kalashnikov upgraded as far as it can be, with plans for a from scratch weapon being worked on.
    They have also said they already have plenty of Kalashnikovs in storage.

    One report said they don't need any more AKs, while a later report said they didn't need anymore AK-74s but that an improved model could be useful with existing rifles sold, upgraded, given to other government departments etc etc.

    So the state of the play is that in the mid 1990s they had a competition for a replacement for the AK and the AN-94 won, but it has turned out to be too complex and perhaps expensive to mass produce that they are now looking for an upgrade of the AK to iron out most of its main problems in a way that doesn't require a complete redesign and is not too expensive or complex to mass produce... it doesn't need to be a super gun, but it needs to be an improvement.

    Things like easier to use and easier to attach bits to it are amusing...

    As a left hander I find the AK to be perfectly ergonomic, and with rifles that are designed for right handed people most left handers are "trained" to shoot right handed... well if that is the case why not train everyone to shoot left handed with the AKs if that is no big deal as it will mean the selector and cocking handle are in a convenient place for the off hand to manipulate them. Smile

    In fact I can cock the AK easily without removing my trigger finger or my head from the line of sight. The location of the cocking handle on the AR means you must move your head no matter which hand you use.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:30 am

    Well I found another series of photos that I have found to be rather interesting... these come from MP.net, where a lot of my photos come from... they post a lot of cool photos but don't actually seem to discuss them very much...

    Anyway:













    So what is so special. Well they clearly haven't developed a proper mount yet for the SVD... the scope is clearly design to go right on the top of the receiver on a rail as being developed for the AK-200, which is interesting. The position of the scope on the SVD would make accuracy pretty hit and miss so to speak though it is not clear at what range that group was shot. Standard assault rifle range would be 100m, but a more common range for testing the SVD would be 300m, but the main point is that this is a thermal scope so this is the performance you would expect in total darkness, so it actually looks pretty good to me.
    The most interesting thing for me is the last photo which clearly shows that the actual thermal sensor is not a 1st or 2nd gen tube, but a third gen uncooled chip based system that I suspect is probably QWIP based. This means that once the design is perfected and finalised it can be mass produced like camcorder optics and if produced in large numbers will become relatively cheap. As you can see from the size of it you could put two at the front of a helmet and one pointing to the rear with a heads up display showing a full night vision view of the world in front of (in stereo) and behind (in mono.. but mainly for warning rather than regular viewing) with other information displayed in the soldiers field of view like navigation info.

    Should improve unit security at night and make night operations much more viable.

    As Russian tanks and IFVs and helos get thermal sights it becomes more and more likely that night fighting training will become useful.

    In terms of small arms (considering the topic of this thread) this means perhaps new propellent powders that burn faster and cleaner and generate less muzzle flash with higher muzzle velocities and better accuracy/consistency.

    I rather suspect that the average soldier will get image intensification monoculars that can be hand held, helmet mounted as NVGs, and mounted on their rifle as a night vision scope, but for units like Spetsnaz and Navy Spetsnaz, plus the VDV and Naval Infantry will likely get thermal rifle scopes with built in laser range finders and GLONASS sensors and ballistics computers to generate aimpoints so that the soldier just puts the target inside the square and presses the button to laser range it and then after a few seconds a glowing plus will appear that the soldier can then place on the chest or head of the target for a high probability kill, or at the push of a button the location of what was lased will be entered into the battle management system... so a recon soldier spots an enemy tank and lases a tree in front of it so as to not warn it it is being lased. The location of the tree can then be shifted to the real position of the actual tank... labelled as a tank and then passed onto the local network so any friendly vehicles will now see an enemy tank in the appropriate location, though it might require a second set of eyes like a UAV to confirm it is an enemy vehicle before you open fire...

    Anybody who speaks Russian identify some of the abbreviations at the bottom of the photo through the scope.

    From the actual scopes specs I suspect this is the view via a laptop with the scope connected via a PC connection.

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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  TheArmenian on Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:20 pm

    Rogozin visited an arms plant in Tula (KBP).

    Mts-116 sniper rifle


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    Post  TheArmenian on Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:04 pm

    MTs-558 from KBP





    The gentleman holding it is Max Popenker (his site is world.guns.ru)


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    Post  TheArmenian on Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:09 pm

    VS-8 in .338


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    Post  GarryB on Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:45 am

    Nice... just annoyed that I can only vote for one post per day... Sad

    On that spec board for the MTs-558 it says it is available in 300 Lapua Magnum, 338 Lapua Magnum, and 12.7 x 55mm calibre.

    The 338 LM is optimised for shooting at range of 1.2-1.5km. I rather suspect the 12.7 x 55mm is optimised for up to 600m range shooting against targets wearing body armour for sneaky missions. (ie quiet).

    Obviously the power of the 338 LM means targets at up to 600m or more can be engaged in body armour too, but it just will be a bit noisier.

    A new sniper regiment with sniper teams armed with this, or the SV-338, or a 12.7 x 108mm calibre weapon like OSV-96, or ASVK for the sniper and something like the AK-12 in 6 x 49mm as their spotter would be a formidably armed team.

    That is a very substantial cocking handle on it though... Smile

    The VS-8 looks cool too...

    Thanks for posting.

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:28 am

    Back on topic, where they said they adjusted the rifling to improve accuracy I rather suspect they will likely have increased the twist rate to allow for longer heavier projectiles.

    Since the first 5.45mm round the projectiles have been fairly long as they are largely steel cored which means they are larger than a similar round with a lead core... and because they can't make them wider, they make them longer.

    A bonus from that is that longer rounds tend to be a better aerodynamic shape and travel more efficiently through the air.
    The First 5.56mm bullets in comparison were relatively short and stubby.

    Over time the standard 5.45mm round has gotten slightly heavier, which means longer, and longer thinner projectiles need higher spin rates to stabilise them. Very long very thin projectiles like APFSDS rounds need to be spun so fast to stabilise them properly that they usually don't bother trying to spin them... they use small fins to stabilise them instead.

    To give you an idea the old 5.45mm bullets were spun at a rate of over 3,600 revolutions per second which sounds incredibly fast, but they were also leaving the barrel at about 900m/s so 3,600 revolutions spread over almost 1km is not that big a deal.

    I would expect the latest rifling change will be a slight increase in twist rate of the barrels to allow longer rounds to be properly stabilised.

    When bullets go through the sound barrier they often lose a bit of stability and their accuracy is a bit flakey... it is the reason rounds like 338LM are so popular as many 30 cal rifle bullets have that transonic phase in the 800-1,000m range, whereas the 338LM shifts that phase to 1,200m or further.

    BTW I think I read somewhere that the SVDS, which is the SVD with the folding stock and shorter muzzle brake, had its rifling adjusted to optimise it for the Armour piercing ammo to enable better accuracy against armoured targets at longer ranges.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:02 am

    Speaking of the SVDS:





    Now if you look at the bottom rifle in the top picture and the top two rifles in the bottom picture above... the latter two were from the mid to late 1980s and were test examples for the 6 x 49mm round.

    The bottom rifle in the top picture is clearly a rifle based on the SVDS which means it must have been a development of the mid 1990s or later...

    The magazines appear straight rather than the curved standard Dragunov magazines, though they are clearly designed at an angle to vertical.

    Note also the extra barrel length on the rifles to clearly get as much velocity as possible.

    Perhaps with more sophisticated powders of higher energy and more controlled burning times they will be able to achieve the high velocity with shorter barrel lengths.

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    Post  TheArmenian on Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:34 am

    What is the sniper rifle Rogozin is Shooting?

    http://www.izhmash.ru/pix/news/rogozin2.jpg

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:25 am

    I would say as it is Izmash that the sniper rifle is the folding stock version of the SV-98.. shown here:



    But it could be an SV-338M which also has a similar folding stock as shown below:



    Actually the small oval shape on the magazine area present in the original photo and also on the above photos of the SV-338M and SV-338M1 suggest it is likely one of these rifles, though of course it could be the SV-338M2 that he is testing... if such a rifle exists. It is like the old story about the Queen of England thinking the world smells of fresh paint because everywhere she goes there is always someone 20m ahead of her painting everything... Smile

    I am sure for Rogazins visit they would get out the best silverware too...

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    The title says it all:



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    This sort of kit would be very useful to integrate into BTR-82 and Volk and Tigr-M optics systems.

    Sniper detection equipment that uses sound and lasers to detect optical sights would be very useful to police and paramilitary as well as military forces.

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