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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  par far on Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:53 pm

    George1 wrote:SVDM looks terrific!!



    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1962055.html


    Do we have any information about the SVDM?

    Range
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    Barrel length



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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Jun 17, 2016 11:39 pm

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    sepheronx wrote:So is this SK-16 being seriously considered? Or is this simply just something for the far future?

    SK-16 is typical Halo product from Izhmash. They did a lot of those, just to put forward their know-how. there's literally nothing wrong with the SVD(S/M) what ever. You could even dress the Dragunov System up like the SK without using a gas trap. Same deal was for AK400. It's just projects going on and off to steay active in R&D and maybe have foreign sales.

    The AK-400 should be a killer in places like Vietnam. Far superior system vs Galil.

    what is so much better in AK-400 comparing with other derivatives?

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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Jun 18, 2016 12:38 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:So is this SK-16 being seriously considered? Or is this simply just something for the far future?

    SK-16 is typical Halo product from Izhmash. They did a lot of those, just to put forward their know-how. there's literally nothing wrong with the SVD(S/M) what ever. You could even dress the Dragunov System up like the SK without using a gas trap. Same deal was for AK400. It's just projects going on and off to steay active in R&D and maybe have foreign sales.

    The AK-400 should be a killer in places like Vietnam. Far superior system vs Galil.

    what is so much better in AK-400 comparing with other derivatives?

    Three things.

    It's a short stroke action, which renders the bolt carrier and bolt lighter as the rod is separate from bolt carrier. This means that the mass of the bolt and bolt carrier is not able to inflict as much "recoil" when it hits on the "buffer plate" that is fixed and spring loaded to the receiver.
    The short stroke action has a gas port, which is identical to the SVD, that allows for a better cleaner use of suppressors and also muzzle loaded grenades.
    Muzzle device is straight out of the AK12.
    Top cover is totally serrated on both ends. One lever on the rear receiver (like the Drag), but with a different mechanism and one springloaded, latched front serration like AN94. This means that it is possible to actually put a rail compatible sight system, all while also preserving the ability to have an Soviet legacy Unified mount system.
    Then there's the aperture rear sight, the freefloating had guard and generally the stiffer platform (1.5mm steel).

    Things that haven't changed, selector, ammunition, loading handle side.

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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  GarryB on Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:54 pm

    The new 9mm calibre will be an interesting addition to the Russian calibre collection... by my reckoning they will have had the 9x18mm Makarov, the 9x19mm Parabellum, 9x21mm, and they played with a 9x30mm Grom cartridge for SMGs for a while, plus they also have the 9 x 39mm subsonic round for the AS and VSS and other weapons, and they have the 9.3x62mm for the SVDK I believe...

    The new round is a 9 x 69mm so it is slightly larger in calibre to the .338 LM round which has the designation of 8.6 x 70mm, or 8.58 x 70mm.... even though its actual case measurement is given as 69.2mm.

    Would be interesting to see if they mass produced a ball version of the ammo for a heavy PKP with a semi auto rifle like the heavy AK12 model as the much larger round would allow both weapons to reach out and touch better at ranges in the 1,200m to 1,500m range with accuracy and lethality.


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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:20 am

    In case you did not see perspective developments thread Smile

    Smart bullet sees the target
    https://rg.ru/2016/07/19/sekretnaia-boevaia-tehnika-vpervye-proshla-ispytanie-uchebnym-boem.html

    How will change gear for the Russian infantry?
    Andrey Grigoriev: Now we are developing a new composite barrels , which are much lighter than usual. Created a fundamentally new family of bullets, for example, of two or more metals, with a special armor-piercing long-range properties. Designed intelligent scopes, advanced sniper rocket complex with a controllable bullet, and more.

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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:59 am




    Update:

    In Russia began testing "smart bullets" in guided mode

    Already completed the stages of design and experimental development of products in the unmanaged mode

    MOSCOW, July 19. /TASS/. The Russian advanced research Foundation (DRF) began testing "smart bullets" in controlled flight, said in an interview with TASS Deputy Director General of the organization Vitaly Davydov.

    "Work in this direction continues. Completed the design and experimental testing of the product in unmanaged mode, tested in controlled flight," he said.
    The Fund had planned to test "smart bullets," which should hit targets at a distance of ten miles, in the last year.




    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/3467018












    GunshipDemocracy wrote:In case you did not see perspective developments thread Smile

    Smart bullet sees the target
    https://rg.ru/2016/07/19/sekretnaia-boevaia-tehnika-vpervye-proshla-ispytanie-uchebnym-boem.html

    How will change gear for the Russian infantry?
    Andrey Grigoriev: Now we are developing a new composite barrels , which are much lighter than usual. Created a fundamentally new family of bullets, for example, of two or more metals, with a special armor-piercing long-range properties. Designed intelligent scopes, advanced sniper rocket complex with a controllable bullet, and more.

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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Jul 25, 2016 10:59 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:


    Update:

    In Russia began testing "smart bullets" in guided mode

    Already completed the stages of design and experimental development of products in the unmanaged mode

    MOSCOW, July 19. /TASS/. The Russian advanced research Foundation (DRF) began testing "smart bullets" in controlled flight, said in an interview with TASS Deputy Director General of the organization Vitaly Davydov.

    "Work in this direction continues. Completed the design and experimental testing of the product in unmanaged mode, tested in controlled flight," he said.
    The Fund had planned to test "smart bullets," which should hit targets at a distance of ten miles, in the last year.




    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/3467018












    GunshipDemocracy wrote:In case you did not see perspective developments thread Smile

    Smart bullet sees the target
    https://rg.ru/2016/07/19/sekretnaia-boevaia-tehnika-vpervye-proshla-ispytanie-uchebnym-boem.html

    How will change gear for the Russian infantry?
    Andrey Grigoriev: Now we are developing a new composite barrels , which are much lighter than usual. Created a fundamentally new family of bullets, for example, of two or more metals, with a special armor-piercing long-range properties. Designed intelligent scopes, advanced sniper rocket complex with a controllable bullet, and more.

    15 years ago similar projects to this (in the US) seemed like gold-plated white elephants, and eventually became failures...so whats the difference? We're in the age of Photonics, within the coming years we'll see a brave-new-world in ultra-miniaturization, with Photonic microchips with thousands of CPU cores (yes you heard right), that make developments like this possible. So in the coming 10 years you'll see this technology applied to heavy sniper units and vehicle autocannons. Before, going above 12.7x108mm anti-material rifles was not real popular, due to the fact that it would increase size thus creating cumbersome weight, and even the increased velocity would likely still be inaccurate at increased ranges when you factor in optics. With this it seems possible that a man portable 14x114mm anti-material rifle, and a small air-droppable UGV based 23x115mm, 23x152mm, and 30x165mm sniper-autocannon system could be created to liquidate targets at extended ranges, with optical/electro-optical guidance for short-ranges and radio command guidance at extended ranges. The increase in capability for AFV's and SHORAD vehicles may even be greater, with the help of mobile command posts and more robust guidance systems/vehicles, radio commanded rounds could be guided dozens or potentially even hundreds at a time could be guided accurately at ground and air targets.

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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  TheArmenian on Tue Sep 06, 2016 5:39 pm

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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:04 am

    2 different calibres for the SVK...

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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Sep 07, 2016 11:03 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:

    15 years ago similar projects to this (in the US) seemed like gold-plated white elephants, and eventually became failures...so whats the difference?

    you mean like this ?   Twisted Evil  Twisted Evil  Twisted Evil


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    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    We're in the age of Photonics, within the coming years we'll see a brave-new-world in ultra-miniaturization, with Photonic microchips with thousands of CPU cores (yes you heard right), that make developments like this possible. So in the coming 10 years you'll see this technology applied to heavy sniper units and vehicle autocannons. Before, going above 12.7x108mm anti-material rifles was not real popular, due to the fact that it would increase size thus creating cumbersome weight, and even the increased velocity would likely still be inaccurate at increased ranges when you factor in optics. With this it seems possible that a man portable 14x114mm anti-material rifle, and a small air-droppable UGV based 23x115mm, 23x152mm, and 30x165mm sniper-autocannon system could be created to liquidate targets at extended ranges, with optical/electro-optical guidance for short-ranges and radio command guidance at extended ranges. The increase in capability for AFV's and SHORAD vehicles may even be greater, with the help of mobile command posts and more robust guidance systems/vehicles, radio commanded rounds could be guided dozens or potentially even hundreds at a time could be guided accurately at ground and air targets.

    or rocket assisted guided bullet? simple to correct flight path or like in US small gyroscope[/quote]

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Sep 10, 2016 9:50 am

    http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sniper-rifles/rus/svk-e.html

    Interesting that the page regarding the SVDK mentions the 7.62 x 54R calibre version can use standard Dragunov magazines but that it also has 15 and 20 round mags... presumably able also to be used on Dragunov SVDs.

    To be honest I don't really like the new plastic look... I did like the VS-121 bullpup model... a tidied up version of that with a 20 round mag can be sent to my address for testing any time.

    This MA compact assault rifle seems to be an AKS-74U replacement... which surprises me as a bullpup version could be as small but with a barrel length to make it more effective... but with duplicated controls it looks easy enough to use with little chance of snagging gear on it.

    I assume these sand coloured models are intended to appeal to the Middle East users...


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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  GarryB on Sun Sep 11, 2016 11:32 am

    So the information about the new 9x69mm ammo, which is basically a 338LM round necked out to a 9mm calibre round suggests that this would be the "other" calibre for the VS-121.

    So that means it would come in 7.62 x 54mm, 7.62 x 51mm, and 9 x 69mm calibre.

    With the improved trigger and heavy barrel I would suspect in the two former calibres it should be effective out to 1km with good ammo, and likely 1.5km with the latter ammo.


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    Post  TheArmenian on Sun Sep 18, 2016 6:34 am

    Here is the motherload of pictures of the guns shown at the Army-2016 exhibition:

    6 Pages

    https://fotki.yandex.ru/users/soustov/album/167135?

    and here is the first video of the SVK



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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Sep 18, 2016 6:03 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:Here is the motherload of pictures of the guns shown at the Army-2016 exhibition:

    6 Pages

    https://fotki.yandex.ru/users/soustov/album/167135?

    and here is the first video of the SVK



    Ironically the stock they had prepared for the AK-12 now is slapped to the SVK...(and probably all the rest of the lineup in the future).

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    Post  George1 on Tue Oct 04, 2016 4:09 am

    Russia Launches the World’s Lightest Heavy Sniper Rifle Ever

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/russia/20161003/1045951766/russia-snipers-rifle.html


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Oct 21, 2016 12:01 pm




    KALUGA GUNSMITHS HAVE EXPERIENCED LONG-RANGE RIFLE "TWILIGHT"

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    A weapons company from Kaluga region developed a unique rifle sverhdalnoboynaya svlk-14S "Twilight". it is capable of hitting targets at a record range of more than three kilometers. Writes Rambler News Service, told about it at the exhibition "INTERPOLITEX-2016" Vladislav Lobaev, the Director of the manufacturer of the gun — Lobaev Arms.

    The shooting held in 2015, the rifle can accurately hit the target, otstavku from it at 3400 meters.

    After that "Twilight" has been improved: the rifle barrel extended, and made it heavier. Now the company is preparing for a new shooting and hopes that the weapon will already strike targets at a range of 4000-4200 meters. Meanwhile, according to experts, is no sniper weapon in the world can show such a result.

    However, there is complexity in the European part of Russia is difficult to find the shooting range is equipped, allowing to conduct aimed fire at a distance.

    By the way, the sighting range of a normal sniper rifle, armed security forces, is about 1000-1200 meters.










    http://lobaevarms.ru/products/svlk-longrange-sniper-rifle/

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Oct 21, 2016 12:58 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:


    KALUGA GUNSMITHS HAVE EXPERIENCED LONG-RANGE RIFLE "TWILIGHT"

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    A weapons company from Kaluga region developed a unique rifle sverhdalnoboynaya svlk-14S "Twilight". it is capable of hitting targets at a record range of more than three kilometers. Writes Rambler News Service, told about it at the exhibition "INTERPOLITEX-2016" Vladislav Lobaev, the Director of the manufacturer of the gun — Lobaev Arms.

    The shooting held in 2015, the rifle can accurately hit the target, otstavku from it at 3400 meters.

    After that "Twilight" has been improved: the rifle barrel extended, and made it heavier. Now the company is preparing for a new shooting and hopes that the weapon will already strike targets at a range of 4000-4200 meters. Meanwhile, according to experts, is no sniper weapon in the world can show such a result.

    However, there is complexity in the European part of Russia is difficult to find the shooting range is equipped, allowing to conduct aimed fire at a distance.

    By the way, the sighting range of a normal sniper rifle, armed security forces, is about 1000-1200 meters.










    http://lobaevarms.ru/products/svlk-longrange-sniper-rifle/

    .408 Cheytac, nothing out of the ordinary for the round, what we need is follow up shots.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Oct 22, 2016 3:09 am

    23 mm anti-material rifle is being developed:

    Defense Ministry ordered sniper "mini-gun"


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Oct 22, 2016 5:50 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote: .408 Cheytac, nothing out of the ordinary for the round, what we need is follow up shots.


    Wasn´t it in this very thread mentioned about guided sniper ammo tested now in Russia? but not sure if for such small kalibers maybe for 23mm riffles.

    BTW For Chytac ammo you need no license to produce?

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Oct 22, 2016 9:49 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote: .408 Cheytac, nothing out of the ordinary for the round, what we need is follow up shots.


    Wasn´t it in this very thread mentioned about guided sniper ammo tested now in Russia? but not sure if for such small kalibers maybe for 23mm riffles.

    BTW For Chytac ammo you need no license to produce?

    I don't think that the ammo was produced integrally by Lobaev, IMO it was reloaded from commercially available rounds or they made a wildcat for the shootout.
    Also Lobaev still has contacts with UAE which can in return provide them with ammo that would otherwise be difficult to obtain for Russia formally. And Lobaev is a private armorer and gunsmith, it doesn't have issues to import ammunition for its needs.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Oct 22, 2016 8:19 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote: I don't think that the ammo was produced integrally by Lobaev, IMO it was reloaded from commercially available rounds or they made a wildcat for the shootout.
    Also Lobaev still has contacts with UAE which can in return provide them with ammo that would otherwise be difficult to obtain for Russia formally. And Lobaev is a private armorer and gunsmith, it doesn't have issues to import ammunition for its needs.


    Would it make sense to adopt Cheytac instead of .338 LM? Or they are not to replace rather compliment each other?

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Oct 22, 2016 8:33 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote: I don't think that the ammo was produced integrally by Lobaev, IMO it was reloaded from commercially available rounds or they made a wildcat for the shootout.
    Also Lobaev still has contacts with UAE which can in return provide them with ammo that would otherwise be difficult to obtain for Russia formally. And Lobaev is a private armorer and gunsmith, it doesn't have issues to import ammunition for its needs.


    Would it make sense to adopt Cheytac instead of .338 LM?  Or they are not to replace rather compliment each other?

    I will say that from military view point it doesn't. At 3000m better grab a Konkurs and be sure the guy you're targeting is dead for good. Exteme range shooting is something that is mainly required because you can't have indirect or direct fire support. 3km shots are senseless, amazing but don't make sense, unless you are on that super stealthy mission that requires to drop some top chief without him even knowing.

    The Cheytac and LapMag make sense in their extreme accuracy at the range between 1/2 km. There is a margin to talk about the .408CT/.416B vs LapMag because both have bigger energy at release and hallmarks (500m/1000m/1500m). But both rounds will kill no more than the LapMag at those ranges.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:45 am

    That 23mm gun looks interesting.

    I suggested a while back that the Russians should make an anti material rifle like the South African NTW-20 that had a 20mm round and a 14.5mm round option with changeable barrels and bolts.

    For a Russian rifle it would make more sense to use a 14.5 x 114mm high velocity round (for armour piercing use... for which you could develop SLAP rounds) and have a 23 x 115mm for the lower velocity HE rounds as the rounds are very similar in size.

    With further development a much higher velocity APFSDS round could be developed for the 23mm round as its larger calibre would allow more propellant and more energy to be pushed down the barrel.

    The rifle they are proposing above however looks like it will be based on either the 30 x 165mm round (used by army navy and air force in all their 30mm guns) or the 23 x 152mm high velocity cannon round used in the Shilka and ZU-23-2 anti aircraft weapons.

    I remember mentioning the 23mm calibre weapon to Anthony Williams a while back and he said too much gas and recoil... so it will be interesting to see what round they choose as both these 30mm and 23mm rounds are vastly more powerful than the round I suggested.

    With a projectile optimised for low drag I suspect they will be after a very long range weapon so higher muzzle velocity would be useful... but also a guided shell would be useful too.

    AFAIK they have developed a new round in 9mm calibre based on the .338LM for use at medium to long range... ie 800m-1,500m.

    I am sure they can use their own aerodynamic models and come up with a calibre that is useful at very long ranges too without having to copy anything.

    If they are looking at 23mm or 30mm projectiles then it can't possibly be a copy of a Cheytac... that has a calibre of .408 inch or something like that.


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    Post  George1 on Sat Nov 05, 2016 2:51 pm

    New sniper system for Russian special services ready for serial supplies

    The sniper system, developed for the first time in modern Russia’s history, is equipped with optical sight and a 2km laser ranging device

    KLIMOVSK, November 5. /TASS/. The new sniper system for Russia’s special services has passed state trials and is ready for serial supplies, CEO of the Central Research Institute of Precision Machine-Building (TsNIITochMash) Dmitry Semizorov said on Saturday.

    "The rifles have successfully passed state tests," Semizorov said, presenting the new rifle to Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin. "The work of an interdepartmental commission has been completed," he added.

    The first supplies of the sniper system will be carried out for the Federal Protective Service (FSO), a federal government agency tasked with protecting high-ranking state officials. "We have the first order, the first batch is small, it will be used by the FSO forces and we are already working on serial supplies," Semizorov said.

    The sniper system, developed for the first time in modern Russia’s history, is equipped with optical sight and a 2km laser ranging device. It is fully based on domestic materials, except for the electronic component base in thermal pointers, he said.


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