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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  iraqidabab on Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:41 pm

    This Lobaev rifle OVL-3 better then T-5000 ORSIS ? Both look interesting, not much info available, not in English at least.

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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:59 pm

    iraqidabab wrote:This Lobaev rifle OVL-3 better then T-5000 ORSIS ? Both look interesting, not much info available, not in English at least.

    Not really. Probably no better than T-5000. But Lobaev proved unreliable when they decided to move manufacturing to UAE. They recently came back to Russia probably due to poor sales from UAE but ORSIS at least stayed in Russia and continued to build there.

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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  par far on Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:05 pm

    Why are Lobaev sniper rifle's not getting any love? They are making great Sniper rifles that match any in the west, why is the Russian army not taking a serious look at Lobaev sniper rifle's?


    http://lobaevarms.com/



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    Post  Werewolf on Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:11 pm

    par far wrote:Why are Lobaev sniper rifle's not getting any love? They are making great Sniper rifles that match any in the west, why is the Russian army not taking a serious look at Lobaev sniper rifle's?


    http://lobaevarms.com/



    Freaking high costs, costs as much you get in an entire year, while other sniper rifles cost roughly the half and are still top notch.

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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  par far on Sat Oct 03, 2015 6:45 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    par far wrote:Why are Lobaev sniper rifle's not getting any love? They are making great Sniper rifles that match any in the west, why is the Russian army not taking a serious look at Lobaev sniper rifle's?


    http://lobaevarms.com/



    Freaking high costs, costs as much you get in an entire year, while other sniper rifles cost roughly the half and are still top notch.


    How much more does it cost than say Orsis T 5000? I just hope the company would lower the price a little bit, we want the Russian to be one the best, then we have to buy the best.

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Oct 03, 2015 1:31 pm

    par far wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    par far wrote:Why are Lobaev sniper rifle's not getting any love? They are making great Sniper rifles that match any in the west, why is the Russian army not taking a serious look at Lobaev sniper rifle's?


    http://lobaevarms.com/



    Freaking high costs, costs as much you get in an entire year, while other sniper rifles cost roughly the half and are still top notch.


    How much more does it cost than say Orsis T 5000? I just hope the company would lower the price a little bit, we want the Russian to be one the best, then we have to buy the best.

    For civilians the cost with Dedal 5-20 is about 6500 Euros.

    That's half the price of an British Lseries rifle in current service. Unit cost for new m24's in US (without scope) varies from 11 thousand to 17 thousand (contracts for the Army were with and without scopes). Lobaev comes really close to those prices and uses generally Hensoldt scopes. Thus it has zero chances for mass production.

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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  par far on Sat Oct 03, 2015 4:38 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    par far wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    par far wrote:Why are Lobaev sniper rifle's not getting any love? They are making great Sniper rifles that match any in the west, why is the Russian army not taking a serious look at Lobaev sniper rifle's?


    http://lobaevarms.com/



    Freaking high costs, costs as much you get in an entire year, while other sniper rifles cost roughly the half and are still top notch.


    How much more does it cost than say Orsis T 5000? I just hope the company would lower the price a little bit, we want the Russian to be one the best, then we have to buy the best.

    For civilians the cost with Dedal 5-20 is about 6500 Euros.

    That's half the price of an British Lseries rifle in current service. Unit cost for new m24's in US (without scope) varies from 11 thousand to 17 thousand (contracts for the Army were with and without scopes). Lobaev comes really close to those prices and uses generally Hensoldt scopes. Thus it has zero chances for mass production.


    That is expensive, hopefully They lower the price.

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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Oct 03, 2015 4:55 pm

    par far wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    par far wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    par far wrote:Why are Lobaev sniper rifle's not getting any love? They are making great Sniper rifles that match any in the west, why is the Russian army not taking a serious look at Lobaev sniper rifle's?


    http://lobaevarms.com/



    Freaking high costs, costs as much you get in an entire year, while other sniper rifles cost roughly the half and are still top notch.


    How much more does it cost than say Orsis T 5000? I just hope the company would lower the price a little bit, we want the Russian to be one the best, then we have to buy the best.

    For civilians the cost with Dedal 5-20 is about 6500 Euros.

    That's half the price of an British Lseries rifle in current service. Unit cost for new m24's in US (without scope) varies from 11 thousand to 17 thousand (contracts for the Army were with and without scopes). Lobaev comes really close to those prices and uses generally Hensoldt scopes. Thus it has zero chances for mass production.


    That is expensive, hopefully They lower the price.

    Why? These aren't SVD's. They're on par with what the Western Armies get and already half the price. Don't forget a Dedal Scope is 3 times cheaper than the closest counterpart. A 4000 euro rifle (scope included) should be the best offer on the market in .338 Lapua.

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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  par far on Sat Oct 03, 2015 7:05 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    par far wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    par far wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    par far wrote:Why are Lobaev sniper rifle's not getting any love? They are making great Sniper rifles that match any in the west, why is the Russian army not taking a serious look at Lobaev sniper rifle's?


    http://lobaevarms.com/



    Freaking high costs, costs as much you get in an entire year, while other sniper rifles cost roughly the half and are still top notch.


    How much more does it cost than say Orsis T 5000? I just hope the company would lower the price a little bit, we want the Russian to be one the best, then we have to buy the best.

    For civilians the cost with Dedal 5-20 is about 6500 Euros.

    That's half the price of an British Lseries rifle in current service. Unit cost for new m24's in US (without scope) varies from 11 thousand to 17 thousand (contracts for the Army were with and without scopes). Lobaev comes really close to those prices and uses generally Hensoldt scopes. Thus it has zero chances for mass production.


    That is expensive, hopefully They lower the price.

    Why? These aren't SVD's. They're on par with what the Western Armies get and already half the price. Don't forget a Dedal Scope is 3 times cheaper than the closest counterpart. A 4000 euro rifle (scope included) should be the best offer on the market in .338 Lapua.


    I was about Lobaev, hopefully they lower the prices.

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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Oct 04, 2015 9:47 pm

    par far wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    par far wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    par far wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    par far wrote:Why are Lobaev sniper rifle's not getting any love? They are making great Sniper rifles that match any in the west, why is the Russian army not taking a serious look at Lobaev sniper rifle's?


    http://lobaevarms.com/



    Freaking high costs, costs as much you get in an entire year, while other sniper rifles cost roughly the half and are still top notch.


    How much more does it cost than say Orsis T 5000? I just hope the company would lower the price a little bit, we want the Russian to be one the best, then we have to buy the best.

    For civilians the cost with Dedal 5-20 is about 6500 Euros.

    That's half the price of an British Lseries rifle in current service. Unit cost for new m24's in US (without scope) varies from 11 thousand to 17 thousand (contracts for the Army were with and without scopes). Lobaev comes really close to those prices and uses generally Hensoldt scopes. Thus it has zero chances for mass production.


    That is expensive, hopefully They lower the price.

    Why? These aren't SVD's. They're on par with what the Western Armies get and already half the price. Don't forget a Dedal Scope is 3 times cheaper than the closest counterpart. A 4000 euro rifle (scope included) should be the best offer on the market in .338 Lapua.


    I was about Lobaev, hopefully they lower the prices.

    Doesn't matter anymore. Lobaev proved to show their true colors when they moved off to UAE in the first place. Orsis proved as a great alternative and apparently cheaper too.

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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Oct 04, 2015 11:02 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    par far wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    par far wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    par far wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    par far wrote:Why are Lobaev sniper rifle's not getting any love? They are making great Sniper rifles that match any in the west, why is the Russian army not taking a serious look at Lobaev sniper rifle's?


    http://lobaevarms.com/



    Freaking high costs, costs as much you get in an entire year, while other sniper rifles cost roughly the half and are still top notch.


    How much more does it cost than say Orsis T 5000? I just hope the company would lower the price a little bit, we want the Russian to be one the best, then we have to buy the best.

    For civilians the cost with Dedal 5-20 is about 6500 Euros.

    That's half the price of an British Lseries rifle in current service. Unit cost for new m24's in US (without scope) varies from 11 thousand to 17 thousand (contracts for the Army were with and without scopes). Lobaev comes really close to those prices and uses generally Hensoldt scopes. Thus it has zero chances for mass production.


    That is expensive, hopefully They lower the price.

    Why? These aren't SVD's. They're on par with what the Western Armies get and already half the price. Don't forget a Dedal Scope is 3 times cheaper than the closest counterpart. A 4000 euro rifle (scope included) should be the best offer on the market in .338 Lapua.


    I was about Lobaev, hopefully they lower the prices.

    Doesn't matter anymore.  Lobaev proved to show their true colors when they moved off to UAE in the first place.  Orsis proved as a great alternative and apparently cheaper too.

    They came back.

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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Oct 04, 2015 11:11 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    par far wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    par far wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    par far wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    par far wrote:Why are Lobaev sniper rifle's not getting any love? They are making great Sniper rifles that match any in the west, why is the Russian army not taking a serious look at Lobaev sniper rifle's?


    http://lobaevarms.com/



    Freaking high costs, costs as much you get in an entire year, while other sniper rifles cost roughly the half and are still top notch.


    How much more does it cost than say Orsis T 5000? I just hope the company would lower the price a little bit, we want the Russian to be one the best, then we have to buy the best.

    For civilians the cost with Dedal 5-20 is about 6500 Euros.

    That's half the price of an British Lseries rifle in current service. Unit cost for new m24's in US (without scope) varies from 11 thousand to 17 thousand (contracts for the Army were with and without scopes). Lobaev comes really close to those prices and uses generally Hensoldt scopes. Thus it has zero chances for mass production.


    That is expensive, hopefully They lower the price.

    Why? These aren't SVD's. They're on par with what the Western Armies get and already half the price. Don't forget a Dedal Scope is 3 times cheaper than the closest counterpart. A 4000 euro rifle (scope included) should be the best offer on the market in .338 Lapua.


    I was about Lobaev, hopefully they lower the prices.

    Doesn't matter anymore.  Lobaev proved to show their true colors when they moved off to UAE in the first place.  Orsis proved as a great alternative and apparently cheaper too.

    Don't underestimate the power of Russian MOD to 'armtwist' and arms manufacturer. Take UVZ for a example, they were offering Armata's at too high of cost, after some strong-arming from MOD, UVZ is now selling Armata's at a more reasonable level (if only they can get Yasen's to be sold at a reasonable cost). MOD could say "You can get a 1,000 orders, but you have to cut the price in half." Give them a large order, and they can't justify not selling their rifles at a reasonable price, especially now because of the Rouble devaluation.

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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  kvs on Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:10 am

    This is not "strong arming" it is proper haggling. When you have one supplier and one consumer they have to duke it out for the
    price. There is no market value. The company tries to go for the Moon so it needs to be brought down to Earth. In Russia it
    appears that the government has a spine and is not a corporate whore whose task it is to transfer tax payer money into the
    pockets of the oligarchy. My toast to the Russian MOD for being a responsible purchasing agent.

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Oct 05, 2015 9:31 am

    Guys don't forget also that Orsis devlopped very fast and very well in accordance with few RU MO orders and tenders. While Lobaev never managed to get beyond the workshop mentality. So you have very good rifles from a master gunsmith but it isn't really the "concern mentality". They say it themselves. They got "benchrest mentality". That's simply out of the mark with high volume, military grade rifles. They got to the UAE because of the easy cash. They were told to just pring their science, everything else was laid out. They tried to take advantage of that, only to find out that the small arms world is every bit as political as the hardware one. So now they're back making select orders and small batches of laser accurate weapons, for eye watering prices.

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    Post  sepheronx on Mon Oct 05, 2015 9:37 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:Guys don't forget also that Orsis devlopped very fast and very well in accordance with few RU MO orders and tenders. While Lobaev never managed to get beyond the workshop mentality. So you have very good rifles from a master gunsmith but it isn't really the "concern mentality". They say it themselves. They got "benchrest mentality". That's simply out of the mark with high volume, military grade rifles. They got to the UAE because of the easy cash. They were told to just pring their science, everything else was laid out. They tried to take advantage of that, only to find out that the small arms world is every bit as political as the hardware one. So now they're back making select orders and small batches of laser accurate weapons, for eye watering prices.

    Good post and quite right. If they can reduce their prices and still make quality equipment, then they hopefully will survive the market.

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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  George1 on Wed Nov 04, 2015 1:41 pm

    Preliminary Tests of Russia's Advanced Sniper Rifle to Begin Next Year

    Preliminary testing of the Russian Defense Ministry’s advanced sniper rifle will begin next year, the chief executive of the Central Research Institute of Precision Machine Building (TsNIITochMash) agency said Wednesday.

    KLIMOVSK (Sputnik) – "I expect samples for state testing will be prepared before the end of the year…I think that we will begin preliminary tests of the rifle for the Defense Ministry in 2016," Dmitry Semizorov told RIA Novosti.

    TsNIITochMash, one of five arms manufacturers tasked by the Russian Defense Ministry to conduct experimental and design work to improve precision and accuracy, is responsible for testing the overall sniper weapon system.

    As part of the program, the agency developed new 7.62x51mm and 8.6x69mm rifles. Standard Russian rifle calibers historically range from 7.62x39mm to 7.62x54mm.

    Semizorov said preliminary tests performed for the Federal Guard Service had proved successful.

    TsNIITochMash, a major supplier of weapons and ammunition, as well as state-of-the-art Ratnik infantry combat gear, is part of Russia’s state technologies corporation Rostec.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20151104/1029565159/new-russian-sniper-rifle-tests.html#ixzz3qWf1KCl6


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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  GarryB on Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:47 am

    As part of the program, the agency developed new 7.62x51mm and 8.6x69mm rifles. Standard Russian rifle calibers historically range from 7.62x39mm to 7.62x54mm.

    Why waste time with these two calibres?

    The 308 winchester round is foreign and the 8.6 x 68mm is not that remarkable in terms of performance. It hits harder than 7.62 x 54mm with its heavier projectile, but is not a long range round.

    Personally I would drop the 8.6x69mm... or more accurately not adopt it, and would focus on the 6x49mm and 338 lapua magnum. That would result in a useful infantry rifle and machine gun calibre (6x49mm) and a long range sniper round (the lapua magnum).


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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  Militarov on Fri Dec 11, 2015 1:27 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    As part of the program, the agency developed new 7.62x51mm and 8.6x69mm rifles. Standard Russian rifle calibers historically range from 7.62x39mm to 7.62x54mm.

    Why waste time with these two calibres?

    The 308 winchester round is foreign and the 8.6 x 68mm is not that remarkable in terms of performance. It hits harder than 7.62 x 54mm with its heavier projectile, but is not a long range round.

    Personally I would drop the 8.6x69mm... or more accurately not adopt it, and would focus on the 6x49mm and 338 lapua magnum. That would result in a useful infantry rifle and machine gun calibre (6x49mm) and a long range sniper round (the lapua magnum).

    7,62x54R is getting old tho, it needs either serious design revision or replacement in future.

    When its about why they offer these two calibers atm is probably for export or some specialised units that would appreciate .308 over 7,62x54R, but most likely main reason is export.

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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Dec 11, 2015 3:47 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    As part of the program, the agency developed new 7.62x51mm and 8.6x69mm rifles. Standard Russian rifle calibers historically range from 7.62x39mm to 7.62x54mm.

    Why waste time with these two calibres?

    The 308 winchester round is foreign and the 8.6 x 68mm is not that remarkable in terms of performance. It hits harder than 7.62 x 54mm with its heavier projectile, but is not a long range round.

    Personally I would drop the 8.6x69mm... or more accurately not adopt it, and would focus on the 6x49mm and 338 lapua magnum. That would result in a useful infantry rifle and machine gun calibre (6x49mm) and a long range sniper round (the lapua magnum).

    Err, LapMag is 8.6x69. Personally I would resurect thet 8mm mauser, Yugos done wonders with it and the round ironically was kind of revived with the BabyLapMag (7.62x69) the Russians tested.

    There's also a SuperLapMag 8.6x89 for "special purpose" tested by Lobaev some times in the 2010.


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    Post  Militarov on Fri Dec 11, 2015 3:52 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    As part of the program, the agency developed new 7.62x51mm and 8.6x69mm rifles. Standard Russian rifle calibers historically range from 7.62x39mm to 7.62x54mm.

    Why waste time with these two calibres?

    The 308 winchester round is foreign and the 8.6 x 68mm is not that remarkable in terms of performance. It hits harder than 7.62 x 54mm with its heavier projectile, but is not a long range round.

    Personally I would drop the 8.6x69mm... or more accurately not adopt it, and would focus on the 6x49mm and 338 lapua magnum. That would result in a useful infantry rifle and machine gun calibre (6x49mm) and a long range sniper round (the lapua magnum).

    Err, LapMag is 8.6x69. Personally I would resurect thet 8mm mauser, Yugos done wonders with it and the round ironically was kind of revived with the BabyLapMag (7.62x69) the Russians tested.

    There's also a SuperLapMag 8.6x89 for "special purpose" tested by Lobaev some times in the 2010.


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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Dec 11, 2015 3:56 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    As part of the program, the agency developed new 7.62x51mm and 8.6x69mm rifles. Standard Russian rifle calibers historically range from 7.62x39mm to 7.62x54mm.

    Why waste time with these two calibres?

    The 308 winchester round is foreign and the 8.6 x 68mm is not that remarkable in terms of performance. It hits harder than 7.62 x 54mm with its heavier projectile, but is not a long range round.

    Personally I would drop the 8.6x69mm... or more accurately not adopt it, and would focus on the 6x49mm and 338 lapua magnum. That would result in a useful infantry rifle and machine gun calibre (6x49mm) and a long range sniper round (the lapua magnum).

    Err, LapMag is 8.6x69. Personally I would resurect thet 8mm mauser, Yugos done wonders with it and the round ironically was kind of revived with the BabyLapMag (7.62x69) the Russians tested.

    There's also a SuperLapMag 8.6x89 for "special purpose" tested by Lobaev some times in the 2010.


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    Post  Militarov on Fri Dec 11, 2015 4:02 pm

    [quote="KoTeMoRe"]
    Militarov wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    As part of the program, the agency developed new 7.62x51mm and 8.6x69mm rifles. Standard Russian rifle calibers historically range from 7.62x39mm to 7.62x54mm.

    Why waste time with these two calibres?

    The 308 winchester round is foreign and the 8.6 x 68mm is not that remarkable in terms of performance. It hits harder than 7.62 x 54mm with its heavier projectile, but is not a long range round.

    Personally I would drop the 8.6x69mm... or more accurately not adopt it, and would focus on the 6x49mm and 338 lapua magnum. That would result in a useful infantry rifle and machine gun calibre (6x49mm) and a long range sniper round (the lapua magnum).

    Err, LapMag is 8.6x69. Personally I would resurect thet 8mm mauser, Yugos done wonders with it and the round ironically was kind of revived with the BabyLapMag (7.62x69) the Russians tested.

    There's also a SuperLapMag 8.6x89 for "special purpose" tested by Lobaev some times in the 2010.


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    Very good in your "sporterized" "hunting rifles". My old boss had one for hunting. Seized by the new regime. M85B (looked like an Enfield, shot like a Mule).  

    Those are still available in some shops around, good rifles.

    But production stopped in favor of very similar just modernised rifle, dubbed M2010, available apparently only in .223 and .308


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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Dec 11, 2015 4:32 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    As part of the program, the agency developed new 7.62x51mm and 8.6x69mm rifles. Standard Russian rifle calibers historically range from 7.62x39mm to 7.62x54mm.

    Why waste time with these two calibres?

    The 308 winchester round is foreign and the 8.6 x 68mm is not that remarkable in terms of performance. It hits harder than 7.62 x 54mm with its heavier projectile, but is not a long range round.

    Personally I would drop the 8.6x69mm... or more accurately not adopt it, and would focus on the 6x49mm and 338 lapua magnum. That would result in a useful infantry rifle and machine gun calibre (6x49mm) and a long range sniper round (the lapua magnum).

    Err, LapMag is 8.6x69. Personally I would resurect thet 8mm mauser, Yugos done wonders with it and the round ironically was kind of revived with the BabyLapMag (7.62x69) the Russians tested.

    There's also a SuperLapMag 8.6x89 for "special purpose" tested by Lobaev some times in the 2010.


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    Very good in your "sporterized" "hunting rifles". My old boss had one for hunting. Seized by the new regime. M85B (looked like an Enfield, shot like a Mule).  

    Those are still available in some shops around, good rifles.

    But production stopped in favor of very similar just modernised rifle, dubbed M2010, available apparently only in .223 and .308


    That RPK receiver. respekt

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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 12, 2015 8:35 am

    That RPK receiver.

    For calibres more powerful that 7.62 x 39mm you want a bit more receiver strength...

    Err, LapMag is 8.6x69

    Ummm.... yes... my eyes saw 8.6x 69 but my brain saw 9.3x62mm... you know that heavy calibre round the made the SVDK in for testing...

    I would prefer they invested in 6x49mm or some viable replacement for the 54R.


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