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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  GarryB on Thu Sep 27, 2012 12:29 pm



    Shakhin scope in use...


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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  George1 on Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:43 pm







    Can anyone recognize these 3 types of weapons?
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    Post  Zivo on Thu Sep 27, 2012 6:50 pm

    SVDS with aftermarket stock

    T-5000 from ORSIS

    AK-107 with 60 round mag

    *Still trying to figure out what model of collimator sight that is
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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  GarryB on Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:16 am



    This new photo from the side shows the scope is new, the system is called Ratnik and is about their third iteration of a super soldier system. The first two were called Permyachka I and II.


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    Post  GarryB on Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:45 am

    SVDS with standard black stock, bipod attachment, new design folding stock, and rail mount on the top of the receiver for optics.

    for others see Zivos post.



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    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 on Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:10 am

    Good catch, thanks.
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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  Zivo on Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:47 am

    I just noticed the T-5000 was missing its bolt during that photoshoot.
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    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 on Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:48 am

    Zivo wrote:I just noticed the T-5000 was missing its bolt during that photoshoot.

    It's because the photos are staged. Maybe he was in the process of cleaning it and a camera crew asked him to get up and pose for a picture, who knows. It's also probably the reason they have their fingers on the trigger when they shouldn't (at least that's what I'm hoping. .)
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    Post  TR1 on Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:53 am

    These sexy new rifles make SV-98 look like peasant crap.

    It's like an Atlas compared to a Teodore!
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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  GarryB on Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:00 pm

    At a recent shooting match the T-5000 came first, a Sako TRG came second and an SV-98 came third.

    The SV-98 is not a bad rifle and should be rather accurate.



    I actually think the older SV-98 looks better than the new model with the folding stock because the latter just looks like all the other new plastic sniper rifles... though I think it would look better in black rather than green, and of course modern resin/thermoplastic rather than wood.

    I just noticed the T-5000 was missing its bolt during that photoshoot.

    When the mission is to get your photo taken, then the bolt... along with ammo become surplus to requirements.

    It's also probably the reason they have their fingers on the trigger when they shouldn't (at least that's what I'm hoping. .)

    I rather doubt they would have their best trained special forces acting as clothes horses for the media...

    Besides when there is no bolt in the weapon... "trigger discipline" is just anal.


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    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 on Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:14 am

    Ah, just what I was hoping for, some footage from TvZvezda.

    It's nothing amazing, but I think it's worth posting

    http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201209280954-l5ih.htm
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    Post  medo on Sat Sep 29, 2012 2:10 pm

    http://nightvision.ru/en/catalog/5/item/158

    Could be redesigned Dedal-T thermal imaging scope.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Sep 30, 2012 1:41 am

    Certainly could be.

    It is funny that a few years ago none of the Russian optics companies even mentioned thermal sights, but now most of them have sections on thermal weapons scopes and hand held viewers.


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    Russian Sniper Rifles and units: Discussion

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:21 pm

    This rifle has a pretty cool calibre  9x64mm but just how useful is it? Can it be fired while standing and is its role an itermediate  type between the 7,62mm sniper rifles and the 50 cal AMRs? Has it entered service yet?
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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  GarryB on Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:02 pm

    It was initially intended as a calibre to use against enemy troops with vests on out to 600m or so.

    In many ways it is a bit like a 7.62 x 54Rmm round but with a much heavier bullet.

    It appears as though they have dropped their interest in the round in favour of their own version of the 338LM round which has rather better performance, including accuracy to 1,500m with good effect against vest wearing targets.

    The 9.3 x 64mm is a popular hunting calibre in Europe so it might sell as a sporting weapon guess, but for shorter range work to 600m or so they now have the 12.7 x 55mm round which combines bullet weight with subsonic options as well.


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    Post  SWAT Pointman on Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:06 pm

    I always thought the .338 Lapua was overpowered. Something like a 7mm remington magnum would be more suitable I think.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:59 am

    The key is transonic bullet speed.

    When bullets change from supersonic to subsonic speed they can be quite erratic and their accuracy can suffer.

    For most modern 308s that speed transition is between 800m and 1,000m or so, though a special long range bullet of optimum shape can improve it.

    The problem for most armies however is that their standard 308s are accurate and effective to 800-900m or so, and a decent rifle costs $5-$8 thousands dollars and weighs about 6-7kgs. The other weapons they commonly have are 50 cal weapons that can weigh from 12-15kgs that have effective ranges up to 2km or more but as well as being heavy are very expensive... often $20-$25 thousand dollars.

    The 338 LM round in its original form was optimised for the 1,000-1,200m range in a rifle that weighs 8-10kgs and costs $10-$12 thousand dollars.

    It basically fills a gap in range performance and also in weight and cost.

    If you want to shoot at vehicles or targets wearing body armour at max range then a 50 cal or even 57 cal can do the job, but if you want to just sit out of small arms fire range but not carry a rifle that weighs so much it needs two men to carry it then a 338LM fits that gap.

    The new 338LM probably has an effective range of 1.5km so in many cases targets that would otherwise have required a heavy expensive 50 cal can be taken with a lighter cheaper rifle.


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    Post  SWAT Pointman on Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:22 pm

    GarryB wrote:The key is transonic bullet speed.

    When bullets change from supersonic to subsonic speed they can be quite erratic and their accuracy can suffer.

    For most modern 308s that speed transition is between 800m and 1,000m or so, though a special long range bullet of optimum shape can improve it.

    The problem for most armies however is that their standard 308s are accurate and effective to 800-900m or so, and a decent rifle costs $5-$8 thousands dollars and weighs about 6-7kgs. The other weapons they commonly have are 50 cal weapons that can weigh from 12-15kgs that have effective ranges up to 2km or more but as well as being heavy are very expensive... often $20-$25 thousand dollars.

    The 338 LM round in its original form was optimised for the 1,000-1,200m range in a rifle that weighs 8-10kgs and costs $10-$12 thousand dollars.

    It basically fills a gap in range performance and also in weight and cost.

    If you want to shoot at vehicles or targets wearing body armour at max range then a 50 cal or even 57 cal can do the job, but if you want to just sit out of small arms fire range but not carry a rifle that weighs so much it needs two men to carry it then a 338LM fits that gap.

    The new 338LM probably has an effective range of 1.5km so in many cases targets that would otherwise have required a heavy expensive 50 cal can be taken with a lighter cheaper rifle.
    I imagine they've already considered improved .308 rounds with a longer distance because they would be cheaper than adopting a new round, but they probably didn't cut it. Snipers in Afghanistan went to .300 winchester magnum. And they seem to be switching to .338 Lapua.

    I've toyed with the idea that you could build a .308 bullpup sniper with a 30+ inch barrel to try and squeeze out as much velocity as possible so you wouldn't need a .300 magnum or .338 lapua, but I think there's only so much velocity you can squeeze out depending on the barrel length,powder, and bullet weight.
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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  GarryB on Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:10 am

    Yeah, the problem with such a specialist rifle is that a round optimised for that particular setup would work best, but would not be much use for any other rifle in that calibre.

    You end up with a specialist rifle and specialist ammo... when you could have gone for a 338 LM rifle and ammo with much better performance.


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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  Zivo on Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:21 am



    Upgraded KVSK? I don't think I've ever seen the right side of this gun before.
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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  GarryB on Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:01 am

    Other than the black synthetic stock it looks pretty standard.

    The bolt to operate the weapon is visible in front of the guys hand on the pistol grip.

    This weapon is a bolt action bullpup rifle with a 5 shot mag in 12.7 x 108mm.

    A very potent weapon, though not optimised for long ranges.


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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 on Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:12 am









    I really like these photos, especially the first one. Kudos to Raden5 from MP.Net for finding them. Smile


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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 on Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:16 am

    GarryB wrote:Other than the black synthetic stock it looks pretty standard.

    The bolt to operate the weapon is visible in front of the guys hand on the pistol grip.

    This weapon is a bolt action bullpup rifle with a 5 shot mag in 12.7 x 108mm.

    A very potent weapon, though not optimised for long ranges.

    I've read that the low performance over long ranges with the KSVK is due to there only being machine gun ammo to fire from it.

    Has this problem been fixed? If not, are there any steps being taken to do so?

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    Post  SWAT Pointman on Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:31 pm

    Really awesome pics. Hope all that equipment actually gets issued.
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    Re: Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:38 pm

    I hope they put into service a development of the SVU since bullpup inproves accuracy and handling by a huge margin.

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