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    Post  flamming_python on Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:09 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Russia will effectively make the defense industries tied directly to civilian market, and vice versa.  Already we are seeing so many results of this.  This is something that was done in the US and in Germany for decades before and it proved to work great as the defense companies always had funds to continue to do R&D in new technology as well as incorporate civil tech into military, and vice versa.  Now, from what I have read, the Universities in Russia are ingrained in the defense and private sector in R&D and that is were majority of the university budgets come from.

    Essentially - Russia is doing what the west has done during the cold war.  I guess playing by their own games.

    You're naive to think that nothing of the sort was done in the USSR either. Of course it was. Huge amounts of science and research, development in various fields - were related to military-industrial needs one way or the other.

    What there wasn't was a capitalist system. Military-industrial enterprises were always assured orders, and they didn't have the incentive to bring out highly-innovative products for the civilian market - as they very much have to do now.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:28 am

    And yet they were as innovative as anyone...

    The layout of the MiG-25 was revolutionary and has been widely copied.

    The BMP concept of an infantry fighting vehicle has been copied.

    I would say the idea of the assault rifle was another example but it was a Russian invention before the Soviet Union existed in the Federov Avtomat of 1916.

    Rocket propelled torpedoes, helmet mounted sights with high off boresight AAMs, thrust vector engines for aircraft, automatic grenade launchers for infantry to replace light mortars... the list goes on.
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    Post  George1 on Sat Oct 07, 2017 1:02 pm

    Concern "Kalashnikov" acquires Rybinsk "Nobel Brothers Shipyard"

    As the newspaper Kommersant writes in an article by Anastasia Vedeneeva and Ivan Safronov, the Kalashnikov moored in Rybinsk. The concern buys "Nobel Brothers Shipyard", the concern "Kalashnikov" is expanding its shipbuilding business. Following Rybinsk shipyard and "Vympel", he buys "Nobel Brothers' Shipyard". Until now, the enterprise belonged to the structures of Roman Trotsenko and for the most part built ships for his own Moscow river shipping company. But the businessman lost interest in shipbuilding, and the lack of serial orders did not allow making the business profitable. But the "Kalashnikov" shipyard will allow us to talk about creating a full-fledged shipbuilding cluster.

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    Post  LMFS on Sat May 26, 2018 7:53 pm

    Russia creates substitutes for Ukrainian naval, aircraft power plants — government

    MOSCOW, May 24. /TASS/. Russia has coped with the task of import substitution in the field of aircraft and naval engine engineering, Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov said on Thursday.

    "I can say that there is no dependence on Ukrainian products any more. The situation with western supplies is changing cardinally. We’ve coped with the problem of replacing the aircraft and ship engines," he said in a lecture before an audience of students at the Academy of the General Staff.

    Borisov believes that import substitution efforts must proceed.

    "There is no time for complacency. Regrettably, we still experience dependence on electronics components, in particular, special ones," Borisov said.

    Earlier, Industry and Trade Minister Denis Manturov said that by 2018-2019 Russia would be able to produce substitutes for components it had earlier received from Ukraine.

    Ukraine-Russia cooperation in the military sphere was frozen in 2014. Since the Soviet era some components for military technologies had been provided by manufacturers in Ukraine. The disruption of ties jeopardized a number of Russian defense-industrial complex programs. Ukraine’s refusal to provide gas turbine power plants paused the construction of several ships for the Russian navy.

    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/1006106
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    Post  George1 on Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:51 pm

    United Aircraft Corporation becomes part of Rostec

    As TASS news agency reported on October 24, 2018, Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree on the transfer of the United Aircraft Building Corporation (UAC) to Rostec, 92.31% of UAC shares will be transferred to the state corporations. The corresponding decree is published on the official portal of legal information.

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    Post  George1 on Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:54 am

    Foreign partners of the Russian state in the field of military technology transfer

    On October 30, 2018, the Ogarkov Readings conference was held, which was organized by the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (AST Center). We present to your attention the report of the Deputy Director of the AST Center Konstantin Makienko "Foreign partners of the Russian state in the field of military technology transfer: from Moscow Russia to the Soviet Union." It analyzes the role of foreign countries in the development of the Russian military industry from the time of Ivan III until 1991.

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    Post  George1 on Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:26 pm

    Problems of defense enterprises of Kazan

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3512548.html
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:01 pm

    George1 wrote:Problems of defense enterprises of Kazan

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3512548.html

    Read the comments.

    Apparently the problems may be superficial.  Always demanding money due to "issues".

    We have now seen this with every single manufacturer in Russia for weapons. They all complain (minus Sukhoi).  Yet they are given massive orders and their parents company leases out aircraft and sees rather large profits.

    So I think there is no problem, and only problem is management trying to strong arm the MoD.

    Also, judging by article, they are stating that production rights for aircraft may be transfered to Ulan Ude.
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    Post  dino00 on Fri Feb 08, 2019 1:32 pm

    In Russia, announced plans to develop weapons using supercomputers

    MOSCOW, Feb. 8 - RIA News . Supercomputers will be used in the development of 30 types of weapons, military and special equipment by 2027, according to the government’s order published on the official portal of legal information.
    "The number of armaments, military and special equipment, in the development of which supercomputer technologies have been applied, will be 30 units," the document says in the expected results section of the state program for the development of the military-industrial complex by 2027.

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    Post  Nibiru on Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:57 am


    Kalashnikov’s revenue up 280% in 2018


    IZHEVSK, March 21. /TASS/. The Kalashnikov concern last year garnered a 17-billion-ruble revenue ($267 million) showing a 280% growth against 2017 as follows from statistics published on the concern’s website on Thursday. The concern’s reported net profit is 175 million rubles ($2.7 million).

    The concern says the financial parameters reflect growing production on internal government and military-technical cooperation contracts for providing the 200th series automatic rifles and AK12, robots, drones and other cutting-edge technologies.

    The Kalashnikov group of companies incorporates the Kalashnikov Concern proper, Izhevsk Mechanical Plant, Rybinsk Shipyards, Nobel Brothers Shipyards, Mytishchi Machine-Building Plant, designer and producer of drones ZALA AERO, research and industrial association NPO Molniya and some other enterprises.


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    Post  jhelb on Sun Mar 24, 2019 8:54 am

    It could be a brand new idea. It could be improving an existing product (like seekers, small engines for UAVs etc).

    It must be a product or service that

    (1) the Russian Ministry of Defence is willing to purchase and/or

    (2) can be exported from Russia
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:48 pm

    https://vpk.name/news/269905_gp_predlozhila_obyazat_minoboronyi_proveryat_zatratyi_na_gosoboronzakaz.html

    GP proposed to oblige the Ministry of defense to verify the costs on the state defense order

    Very important for Russian MoD to get the money back they have placed for orders not fulfilled by the MiC's
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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:24 pm


    Applying GDP and PPP exclusively does not really work and truth I as always in the middle however for nearly completely closed system such as Russian military industrial complex PPP applies perfectly:


    Russia’s Effective Military Spending Is Around $200 Billion

    When you take into account everything costs less in Russia the nominal $65 billion budget buys three times the military power it would in the US

    Explains how Russia is able to maintain a million-man military on a budget, in dollar terms, not much larger than UK’s which maintains a military of just 200,000 and with far fewer potent weapons...


    Basically, in order for a country to purchase same amount of hardware of same types and to hire same number of personnel it would cost 200 billion at market prices
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Apr 24, 2019 6:25 pm

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/119356/

    Almaz Antey Avangard machine building plant At the Forefront of the defense industry

    Link has photos of the plant. Essentially this is the plant that makes the ammunition for the S-400 air defense systems.

    Key noted:

    - Average Wage is 90K Rubles
    - 1/3 of the workforce is under 35 years old. Majority of the workforce is younger. Eldest is 93! years old
    - Only makes Munitions or Repairs/Upgrade munitions for S-400 AD
    - Does not make any of the components but assembles them into missiles.
    - Currently only plant that is doing this but hinted that they are working on a "backup" facility.
    - Building a sports Arena for their workers as its in huge demand
    - Workers get free meals from the company
    - Woman work here too (duh, they done so longer than US has)
    - They have key connection to various universities for education.
    - Export production component base can be different, by agreement with the acquiring party. In addition, export products are more constricted and "roughened" specifications

    Moscow machine-building plant "AVANGARD", founded in 1942 for the production of aircraft engines and repair of aircraft, today considered one of the key enterprises for the production of anti-aircraft guided missiles in Russia. On the current situation, achievements, plans and working conditions in the factory said its CEO Alexander Medvedev buckets.

    — What is the role of the plant "Avangard" in the defense industry?

    — Our plant is a part of the concern aerospace defense "Almaz-Antey" — a large holding of the military‑industrial complex, the leader in the segment systems for the aerospace defense of the Russian Federation.

    Our company is engaged in serial production and repair of missiles for air defense missile systems of various ranges. Our plant is not the enterprise of a full cycle: we get components from other companies of the group, we turn them into the product and pass on to the customer.

    I am proud that "vanguard" is unique: at the moment he's the only rockets all types of anti-aircraft missile systems s-400, which are on arms of the Russian army, and export contracts. Soon will start the enterprise-backup, but so far all the missiles for the complex are made only for us.

    — Is there a high demand for the company's products?

    — Our products are in part produced by concern "Almaz-Antey" complexes are widely demanded inside the country and abroad. Among our customers are "sophisticated" customers, such as Turkey, India and China, who would not buy weapons, not corresponding to all modern standards. I can assure you that foreign buyers are very satisfied with our products, it is cheaper and more effective than any Western counterparts.

    — Are there differences between the products manufactured for our market and export?

    -Export production component base can be different, by agreement with the acquiring party. In addition, export products are more constricted and "roughened" specifications.

    That is, we do not create weapons against himself?

    — Yes, "his" weapon for "their" a priori can not shoot. If you exaggerate, our troops are more accurate, longer-range and faster missiles. Foreign buyers know about it, is one of the conditions of cooperation.

    — What are the difficulties currently facing the company, and You as its leader? (We know You take two a high post: the General Director of MMZ AVANGARD and Deputy General Director for production and technology policy concern "Almaz-Antey" how do You do it? )

    In fact, it is difficult for me, I don't know how time — 24 hours in a day is not always enough. The concern's enterprises are scattered across the country, and I always have to go on business trips often require personal presence to verify the execution of a plan, a particular task or solve contentious issues. Save modern means of communication, besides, we built the logistics to get the documents online.

    Share headache of any Manager of the plant, which performs the state defense order. I as the CEO are responsible for the final product, but even without that little gadget it does not work. For example, they may lack some specific nail Polish because the company anywhere in Nizhny Novgorod have suspended production. In this case, we have to get out quickly to look for doubles or to help to solve the problems of the Nizhny Novgorod enterprises. There is also the problem that occasionally someone from the suppliers refused to supply us with components or trying to deliver poor quality products — the good, the serious plant input control. Otherwise, we have everything you need: planning, personnel, and equipment. Everything runs like clockwork — you just have to have.

    — What are the key results of the past year?

    — Last year we implemented a new product, and production volume rose by almost a third! Recently our company was 77 years old, and we held a large-scale modernization. We are engaged in the reconstruction of distributive electrical networks launched modular boiler to replace the old, purchased and installed new equipment and carry out major repairs of buildings. It is very important for the entire enterprise stage, so control of the discipline we have in the army: all builders — two hundred people — in the morning lined up in a row, and we check the other leaders that they were provided with overalls and really wanted to work.

    I can say that modernization concerns not only equipment and facilities but also the personnel management system, attitude of employees to work.

    — Do you involve the factory youth?

    — No doubt! We have agreements with such educational establishments as the MAI, MGTU im. N. Uh. And Bauman MSTU "Stankin". We hold open days and tours, during which you can see how we have arranged the work. For young professionals with additional payments. All these measures are very effective: we have about three thousand employees, and about a third of them under the age of 35 years. Of course, we have elders — the oldest of the employees of 94 years.

    — Formed does the plant labor dynasties?

    — There are a few cases where we work with three or four generations of one family. It is the workers - like welcome. But we are against nepotism, especially if we are talking about procurement and supply.

    — If you have a traditionally female profession?

    — In one of the shops knit harness is, if to simplify, thick bundles of thin wires, some semblance of a braid of the car, only more complex. This is a very important element of the rocket, it can be compared with the blood vessels — so the work is extremely demanding. The staff of the shop made a bundle with all the connections and connectors, it is very important to distinguish between wires of different lengths. Men, of course, also can handle, but it's better this hard work turns out in women. Still don't understand why.

    — What are the conditions the company offers to employees?

    — I'll start with the fact that we have an average salary — more than 90 thousand rubles. In addition, there are a number of incentive payments. So, this year introduced a provision on the excellent quality, allows you to receive 20% raise. The employees themselves determine the best of the workshops and departments, guided by defined criteria.

    We also have free meals in the canteen for 600 employees of hazardous industries and housing Commission, which provides place in dormitory or pays those who rents an apartment. Functioning in the Union, many employees receive vouchers to rest homes, their children to children's camps.

    — Share what steps the company development planned for the near future?

    — Modernization is in full swing, soon we will begin to build a new electroplating workshop. Building your own sports complex. We conducted a survey among employees and found out that it is important for them to have within walking distance a modern sports complex. Until this is implemented, we partially compensate the cost of the subscription in fitness rooms. Moreover, the factory has sports teams in various sports that show good results in urban and regional tournaments. Not so long ago, our football team took first place in the championship among the enterprises of the defense industry.

    The company's management is ready to meet new challenges, to increase the amount of work and products, to execute new projects, including to implement a program for diversification of production, and of course, improve the social climate of the enterprise. Will say that my job is responsibility to subordinates and colleagues, to foreign buyers and the home country. It's a challenge that I accept every day and do everything possible to adequately deal with it.
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    Post  dino00 on Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:21 pm

    thumbsup if they could have the full-cycle production closer, and more control with suppliers would be great.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:49 pm

    dino00 wrote:thumbsup  if they could have the full-cycle production closer, and more control with suppliers would be great.

    Whole thing is a catch 22. They (Government) wants more SME's to be involved in the government and MiC. Once they do, it ends up becoming a problem in trying to obtain the supplies of parts in a constant flow. But if they don't, well the industrialists and the people whom are all for private enterprises and what not will cry a lot.

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    Post  kvs on Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:55 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    dino00 wrote:thumbsup  if they could have the full-cycle production closer, and more control with suppliers would be great.

    Whole thing is a catch 22.  They (Government) wants more SME's to be involved in the government and MiC.  Once they do, it ends up becoming a problem in trying to obtain the supplies of parts in a constant flow.  But if they don't, well the industrialists and the people whom are all for private enterprises and what not will cry a lot.


    I think part of the problem is that Russia is still trying to follow a model of capitalism that is fictional. We are led to think that all these
    SMEs in the west are truly independent startups. That sounds like a fairy tale. The corporate mafia does not like competition and the
    idea that some startup will grow to their level is a threat. So in the real world, it is almost guaranteed that these SMEs are bought out
    and then used like marionettes. This is quite handy for defrauding the taxpayer of trillions of dollars by rigged bidding on contracts.
    Subcontracting is a great racket. The more layers of subcontractors, the more profit that can be skimmed officially ("we believe in the market").

    When Russia tries to set up what it thinks is a viable system, it experiences problems because components (SMEs) are assumed to
    be autonomous and economically viable. But they aren't.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:09 am

    In the UK there is a TV show called the dragons den, where people with ideas for businesses or new products run them past a panel of 4-5 rich investors.

    I hate the whole concept, where someone with a good idea is grovelling for money to try to create a viable business based on their idea or product.

    The idea person gets investment, but it is basically about rich people getting richer on other peoples ideas...

    And that is what the west is all about... the rich getting richer at the expense of the people actually doing the work.
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    Post  kvs on Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:42 pm

    GarryB wrote:In the UK there is a TV show called the dragons den, where people with ideas for businesses or new products run them past a panel of 4-5 rich investors.

    I hate the whole concept, where someone with a good idea is grovelling for money to try to create a viable business based on their idea or product.

    The idea person gets investment, but it is basically about rich people getting richer on other peoples ideas...

    And that is what the west is all about... the rich getting richer at the expense of the people actually doing the work.

    There is a similar show in Canada, it may be the same one. The entry barrier to innovators into the business world is enormous. This
    is why I do not believe that most of the small businesses being established are genuine. They are actually being created by larger
    companies and the rich to avoid taxes and engage in fake competition for government contracts. This may sound cynical, but the
    business world is a lake of oversized piranhas that shred any insect that lands on the surface (startup).

    For sure there are actual startups, for example we had id Software in the past. But the number of such businesses coming into
    existence is tiny. They have to catch the right moment where nobody else realizes their value. Successful startups
    often end up being bought out.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:47 pm

    kvs wrote:
    GarryB wrote:In the UK there is a TV show called the dragons den, where people with ideas for businesses or new products run them past a panel of 4-5 rich investors.

    I hate the whole concept, where someone with a good idea is grovelling for money to try to create a viable business based on their idea or product.

    The idea person gets investment, but it is basically about rich people getting richer on other peoples ideas...

    And that is what the west is all about... the rich getting richer at the expense of the people actually doing the work.

    There is a similar show in Canada, it may be the same one.   The entry barrier to innovators into the business world is enormous.  This
    is why I do not believe that most of the small businesses being established are genuine.   They are actually being created by larger
    companies and the rich to avoid taxes and engage in fake competition for government contracts.   This may sound cynical, but the
    business world is a lake of oversized piranhas that shred any insect that lands on the surface (startup).  

    For sure there are actual startups, for example we had id Software in the past.   But the number of such businesses coming into
    existence is tiny.   They have to catch the right moment where nobody else realizes their value.   Successful startups
    often end up being bought out.      

    Canada's version has or had that asshole Kevin O Leery or whatever his name is.  That jackass made his money screwing over his partner in the toy manufacturing business. Yet people here think he is hot shit in terms of knowledge on economics. No, on stealing? Yes.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:56 pm

    So in the news there was a fire at the plant that makes Sarmat missiles. Turns out, it was a fire at the storehouse of finished products of refrigerators (the same plant makes Fridges for civil use). Apparently short circuit. Anyway, doesnt effect the other facilities including the production of weapons or the fridges. Just finished products warehouse. Which in this case, means a good payout in insurance.....

    https://ria.ru/20190426/1553089376.html
    https://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=3142087
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:40 am

    For sure there are actual startups, for example we had id Software in the past. But the number of such businesses coming into
    existence is tiny. They have to catch the right moment where nobody else realizes their value. Successful startups
    often end up being bought out.

    And that is the game... a big company can move in to a small market in some little country and look at the local products already selling... anything that would be serious competition to their own product is either crushed because they are big enough to sell at a loss for a decade to destroy any competition and then once they have bankrupted their enemies (this is war) then they will dominate that market and charge what they like to recover any lost earnings.
    The alternative, which is much quicker and easier is to make an offer to buy the competing company and have pretend competition keeping the old brand and also selling your product so the locals can think they have a choice.

    And added advantage is that you can then get tax breaks by spending money upgrading their bottle making technology which greatly reduces the number of people you need to have to staff the place and then shift production there for your own product because labour laws are weak and the average wage is pathetic compared with costs in the country you are based.

    So in the news there was a fire at the plant that makes Sarmat missiles

    Glad to see the fire was not too serious...
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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:20 am



    If you skip o 17:40 and move on, you will see the plant that caught fire. It's funny cause the filming of this was before the fires so you get to see how it was indeed a fridge plant.

    Too bad. Hopefully it will be rebuilt and fridges are made again.
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    Post  kvs on Tue May 21, 2019 1:46 am



    All of the Motor Sich helicopter engine production has been replaced by Russian produced engines that have higher specs.
    Russia was anticipating the 2014 farce and actually started serial production around the same time.

    https://russiandefpolicy.blog/tag/vk-2500/

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    Post  flamming_python on Fri May 24, 2019 11:16 pm

    GarryB wrote: helmet mounted sights with high off boresight AAMs

    To be fair I think the South Africans were first with that

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