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    Hellenic Armed Forces: News

    Post  Jelena on Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:18 pm

    Air Space Violations Heating Up


    Monday, November 2, 2009

    DefenceNet reports that today 6 Turkish Air Force fighter aircraft flew directly over Farmakonisi Island while the total number of Air Space Violations reached 20. It is the first time since the new Socialist government came to power that Turkish Air Force jets directly overfly Greek soil. The overflight happened at 1,300 metres.

    Specifically, 8 Turkish F-16s entered the Athens FIR at 15:04 and 6 minutes later 6 of the aircraft overflew Farmakonisi Island.

    Greek fighters intercepted the Turkish jets and escorted them during their flight until they exited the Athens FIR north of Chios Island.

    The Ministry of Foreign Affairs has been notified and it is expected a formal demarche will be made to Turkey.

    Turkey does not recognise Farmakonisi Island as Greek soil, something also evident from its harassment of Frontex flights in the area.

    A total of 16 Turkish fighters made a total of 20 violations today in the northern and central Aegean.
    There was also one mock engagement.

    http://hellenicdefencenews.blogspot.com/2009_11_01_archive.html

    Original source (in Greek language): http://www.defencenet.gr/defence/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=9475&Itemid=139
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    M1A1 Abrams tanks for Greek Army

    Post  George1 on Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:41 pm

    According to information of the “Hellenic Defence & Technology” magazine, the U.S. authorities approved to grant 400 M1A1 Abrams tanks to the Greek Army, which will include options between simple refurbishment – worth tens of millions dollars for all the tanks- and upgrading to a higher level of operational capability, with a higher corresponding cost. The relative Letter of Offer and Acceptance (LOA) is expected soon.

    Also according to exclusive information of the” Hellenic Defence & Technology” magazine, a Price and Availability letter was sent to U.S. authorities regarding 20 AAV7A1 and a low cost upgrade program for them. This is the first step to cover an operational requirement for 75-100 vehicles.

    Additional exclusive details on these requirements as well as for Bradley IFVs, in a forthcoming issue of the “Hellenic Defence & Technology” magazine.

    http://www.defencegreece.com/index.php/2011/10/the-u-s-approved-to-grant-400-m1a1-abrams-to-greece/
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    Greece's Arms Deals

    Post  George1 on Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:43 pm

    From time to time there are similar leakages in the European media. That Greece’s lenders, preferably the Germans and the French, put Athens under pressure for lucrative arms deals. There has been talk about German submarines, French frigates and American Apache helicopters. The latest story by German Weekly DIE ZEIT  speaks of multi-billion-euro arms contracts, once the debt-ridden country receives the next aid tranche, estimated to be € 80 billion in  March 2012.

    DIE ZEIT quoted an apparent middleman, a frequent visitor at the Greek Defense Ministry, making these allegations.

    Fine Weapons for Athens – Frigates, tanks and submarines: Saving Packages By-Pass The Greek Military.  And Germany benefits.

    The man knows the wish-list of the Greek Defense Ministry by heart: up to 60 fighter aircraft fighter for maybe € 3.9 billion. French frigates for about four billion euro,  patrol boats worth 400 million euros. So much is necessary for the modernization of the existing Greek fleet. Then it still lacks of ammunition for the Leopard tanks , but also two American Apache helicopters need to be replaced. Oh, and one would like to buy German U-boats, total price: two billion euros.

    What the man,who goes in and out at Greece’s Defence Ministry, says sounds absurd. A State which is on the verge of bankruptcy and is supported by billions of the European Union wants to buy tons of weapons?The man in the Athens café is often seen in pictures next to generals of the Army or Defense officials, he often speaks with these guys on the phone, so he knwos what he’s talking about. He knows how sensitive the issue is, and would therefore not be named in the article. Even he holds these arms purchases as not communicable. But things could soon change, he says: “If Greece get paid the next tranche of aid, with € 80 billion expected, in March, there is a real opportunity to conclude new arms contracts.”

    Quoting several Greek and German sources, DIE ZEIT wrote that the Greek government wanted to order 90 Eurofighters from Germany back in 1999 and that even than Foreign Minister Joschka Fisher (Greens) tried to persuade the Greeks. In fact, every once in a while the German government was trying to remind the Greeks of their Eurofighter needs.

    Angela Merkel in the years 2005-2007.  Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle (FDP) tried to secure the Eurofighters deal even in the spring 2010, just weeks before the Greek bankruptcy. The Greeks did not make any deal and few weeks later Westerwelle told a German newspaper that “Before there is any discussion about aid to Greece , that the country does its full homework on consolidation policy.”

    Many German arms companies profited in the last years from the Greek defense needs: 223 Tanks-equipement Typ M109 and one Submarine (Class 214) total worth 403 million EUR, arrived in Greece in 2010! Krauss-Maffei Wegmann delivered 170 Leopard-2 Tanks for 1.7 billion EUR. Thyssen-Krupp delivered submarines, Eurocopter helicopters and Diehl BGT missiles.

    Yes, Greeks are proud that their army is equipped with German products! But DIE ZEIT article triggered some negative reactions in Greece and three MPs from left-wing Democratic Left party, submitted a question to Defense Minister Dimitris Avramopoulos, asking whether such allegations are true and whether German Chancellor Angela Merkel has set the Eurofighters deal as precondition for the second bailout (Zougla.gr)

    “Ptisi & Diastima”, the older and well respected Greek Defense magazine states:

    “Today, there is not even the slightest indication of such deal. To those who check the facts even in a elementary way … the absurdness of this article becomes apparent. Nor the question in the Parliament can serve as any evidence to the truth of these allegations. In our opinion, this question is good proof of the contrary.”

    Defencenet.gr, the website of another Greek Defense Magazine, contacted Die Zeit and the author of this article. Defencenet.gr in its article commenting this story says:

    “Regarding the essence of the article, the € 4 billion cost for the purchase of 60 Eurofighter mentioned in the German newspaper is completely inaccurate. In the preliminary agreement signed in 2001 for the acquisition of 60 +30 Eurofighter aircraft the cost given for the 60 fighters was € 5.52 billion and this was in 2001!

    The unit price of the aircraft in 2001 prices were close to €92 million and this is the cost of the aircraft alone, without his weapons, technical support and spare parts. In any case, the € 4 billion cost as stated in the ‘valid’ reportage of «Die Zeit» is not sufficient for the purchase of 60 Eurofighter aircraft, the unit price for which now reaches € 120 million without weapons and without support. In the agreement that Saudi Arabia recently signed for 72 Eurofighter the cost rouse to €15 billion (over € 200 million per unit!).

    The fact is that for the next 10 years the HAF cannot acquire new fighter aircraft as it will raise the budget of the ministry to exceptional levels.

    A senior officer of the HAF characterized the reports of the German newspapers «Kronen Zeitung» and «Die Zeit» “As noise without any substance”.

    Indeed, typical of the inaccuracy (being polite here) of the «Die Zeit» article is that it states that the budget of the Greek Army rose by 18.2% (?) in 2012! When defencenet.gr shared the facts that the defense budget has declined by 35% from 2008 to 2012 to the journalist of the German newspaper in charge of financial reports her comment was … resounding silence …”

    http://www.defencegreece.com/index.php/2012/01/greece-arms-deals-does-merkel-trade-2nd-bailout-for-60-eurofighter/


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    Re: Hellenic Armed Forces: News

    Post  George1 on Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:45 pm

    On Tuesday, a Turkish S-70B6 Seahawk helicopter flew over the Greek island of Ro at an altitude of just 65 meters! This is a new provocation in the area of the island of Kastelorizo, more serious compared to the overflight of two Turkish RF-4E fighter jets over Kastelorizo at 300m altitude two months ago.

    The helicopter did not take off from the nearby Turkish naval base of Aksaz, but from the air base in Dalaman which is well north. This is important: It is clear that a surprise was attempted. A Navy helicopter solo flight from Aksaz towards the south region of Kastelorizo, would be directly observed by the Greek Air Defense system.

    A flight from Dalaman Airport to the south can have a variety of destinations, but due to the distance, almost never reach the island of Kastelorizo and the cluster of islands and islets in the region (Ro, Stroggyli, etc). In this case the helicopter was on the Greek early warning radar system, but became a concern when it moved just 10 miles before reaching the sea.

    The helicopter entered the Athens FIR without filing a flight plan.The overflight at an altitude of 200 feet (65 meters) took place at 15:24. The Turkish helicopter left the Greek National Airspace and the Greek FIR before the Greek jet fighters that were scrambled for the interception reached the area.

    In another incident later on Tuesday, six Turkish planes entered Greek airspace without submitting flight plans on Monday evening. The six aircraft entered the Athens Flight Information Region (FIR) between the islands of Lesvos and Chios, a short distance from the western Anatolian coast line. Two infringements of air traffic regulations on the Athens FIR were recorded that later developed into 5 violations of national airspace. The Turkish planes were chased out by Greek fighter jets and promptly left the Athens FIR at about 8.40pm.

    http://www.defencegreece.com/index.php/2012/01/turkish-navy-helicopter-flying-over-a-greek-island-at-65m-altitude/
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    Re: Hellenic Armed Forces: News

    Post  Viktor on Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:43 pm

    LOL ... just to f..ck off Europeans no matter Greek is in economic problems.

    Germany and France at the same moment are blackmailing Greece to buy its weapons

    in exchange for continuing economic package.
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    Re: Hellenic Armed Forces: News

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:44 am

    Everyone has economic problems... cause everyone wants more...

    Besides all Greece has to do now is work out who they owe money to and use the Abrams tanks to invade them... Smile
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    Re: Hellenic Armed Forces: News

    Post  Viktor on Sat Dec 14, 2013 2:09 am

    Greece testing S-300PMU1 for the first time EVER  Very Happy  Very Happy and they bough the system 14 years ago (missiles in the container have the life of 15 years  Very Happy ).

    What a shame. Anyway enjoy the pics. 

    Greece Tests Russian-Made S-300 Missile System for First Time

    Greek S-300PMU1










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    Re: Hellenic Armed Forces: News

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Sat Dec 14, 2013 12:00 pm

    Viktor wrote:Greece testing S-300PMU1 for the first time EVER  Very Happy  Very Happy and they bough the system 14 years ago (missiles in the container have the life of 15 years  Very Happy ).

    What a shame.

    We only now got confirmation from the "big daddy" to test what we paid for,
    or if you prefer it otherwise, now being a 14 year old teenager we don't listen our "daddy" so much anymore  Very Happy 

    About the test. The target was the UAV of the video:



    It was flying about 6000ft distanced 30km away and was performing avoiding maneuvers.
    Though immediately after lunch it was reported "target lost" the system managed to re-track the target short after.
    It was a direct hit.
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    Greece testing S-300PMU1 for the first time EVER

    Post  Viktor on Sat Dec 14, 2013 2:22 pm

    much better quality of the Greek launch

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    Re: Hellenic Armed Forces: News

    Post  arpakola on Wed Apr 16, 2014 1:20 am

    Grek F16 on the tail of the Turkish F16 (NATO a happy family)



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    Greece downs permantly all the A-7 Corsair fleet

    Post  arpakola on Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:54 am

    Greece downs permantly all the A-7 Corsair fleet , totaling 47 airplanes due to financial problems maintaining that old (but still efficient) fleet..
    The gap is wide open
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    Re: Hellenic Armed Forces: News

    Post  George1 on Wed Jun 11, 2014 5:56 pm

    arpakola wrote:Greece downs permantly all the A-7 Corsair fleet , totaling 47 airplanes due to financial problems maintaining that old (but still efficient) fleet..
    The gap is wide open

    it wasnt so efficient fleet.. Most of them had been used as trainers rather than ground attack aircrafts. Apache attack helos have take over the role of ground support recent years
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    Re: Hellenic Armed Forces: News

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:54 pm

    There was a paraphilology that they were useful since Turks don't have an equivalent. Nonsense, for a decade now where no more useful than the museum exhibits.
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    Re: Hellenic Armed Forces: News

    Post  George1 on Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:05 pm

    Greece will receive 90 M1A1 Abraams in September. It is official
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    Re: Hellenic Armed Forces: News

    Post  Viktor on Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:15 pm

    George1 wrote:Greece will receive 90 M1A1 Abraams in September. It is official

    And are suing Germany for the amount of 6bin $ for 4 faulty subs
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    Re: Hellenic Armed Forces: News

    Post  George1 on Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:08 am

    US armored vehicles transferred in Greece





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    Re: Hellenic Armed Forces: News

    Post  George1 on Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:09 am

    10th military transport helicopter arrived in Greek soil


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    Re: Hellenic Armed Forces: News

    Post  F-15E on Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:09 am

    Greece approved to buy 10 US Army CH-47D Chinooks


    Boeing has been given the go ahead to sell 10 CH-47 Chinook heavy lift helicopters to Greece, the US Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) announced on 11 December.

    Greece requested and the US State Department approved the sale of up to 10 D-model Chinooks and supporting equipment for a total cost of $150 million.

    Rather than a foreign military sale by Boeing to Greece, the deal has no principal contractor. The aircraft will come from US Army stock, DSCA says.

    Greece already operates a fleet of 15 CH-47Ds, meaning it “will have no difficulty absorbing these helicopters into its armed forces”, the announcement says. The deal will require assignment of US government or Boeing personnel to Greece at some point.

    The D-model Chinook has been supplanted in the US Army by the CH-47F, which sports an upgraded Honeywell T55-714A engines, a Rockwell Collins common avionics architecture system (CAAS) cockpit and BAE Systems' digital advanced flight control system. Eventually the US army will replace all of its Chinooks with CH-47Fs.

    The army already has upgraded many D-model Chinooks to CH-47F configuration, but will take delivery of hundreds of new-build F-models, which also have a milled, single-construction airframe that eliminates many of the metal seams that wear from vibration. Boeing has already built at least 300 F-model Chinooks, which are being marketed also to international customers. In this case, Greece is buying D-model Chinooks the army has replaced with the upgraded CH-47F.

    The Greek government requested the sale of a host of spare parts and support equipment along with the 10 CH-47Ds. That includes 23 T55-GA-714A Engines, 20 of which will be installed and three spares.

    The country also wants enough common missile warning systems, high/very-high/ultra-high frequency radios, direction finder sets, GPS navigation sets, homing radios and transponders to outfit the ten helicopters, with spares left over.

    “This sale will contribute to both the United States’ and Greece’s defense and security goal of greater stability in the Balkans and the Levant regions by enhancing a critical helicopter lift capability,” DSCA says. “This sale will facilitate greater interoperability of Greek systems both bilaterally and within NATO.”

    http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/greece-approved-to-buy-10-us-army-ch-47d-chinooks-407080/
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    Re: Hellenic Armed Forces: News

    Post  Battalion0415 on Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:58 pm

    F-16 in today in Greece. Any more plane? And futures it is F-35 and Eurofighter on the ways to Greece?

    Or Greece have Eurofighter today's situation?

    Anyway happiness is cool.

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    Re: Hellenic Armed Forces: News

    Post  George1 on Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:21 pm

    Battalion0415 wrote:F-16 in today in Greece. Any more plane? And futures it is F-35 and Eurofighter on the ways to Greece?

    Or Greece have Eurofighter today's situation?

    Anyway happiness is cool.

    Neutral

    because of economic situation there are no plans for future fighters procurement. There was a tender for 40 fighters from early 2000s with candidates the (EF Typhoon, Rafale, F-16IN 'Super Viper', F/A-18-E/F Super Hornet) but has been cancelled a lot of times
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    Re: Hellenic Armed Forces: News

    Post  Battalion0415 on Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:32 pm

    But F-16 is ending in 9 year upod. Must have new air craft in defence in 2020.
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    Re: Hellenic Armed Forces: News

    Post  George1 on Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:09 am

    Greek F-16 Jet Crashes at Spanish Base, Killing 10 People

    MADRID — A Greek F-16 fighter jet crashed into other planes on the ground during NATO training in southeastern Spain Monday, killing at least 10 people, Spain's Defense Ministry said.

    Another 13 people were injured in the incident at the Los Llanos base, which sent flames and a plume of black smoke billowing into the air, a Defense Ministry official said.

    Most of the victims were not believed to be Spaniards, according to the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of ministry rules preventing him from being named.

    The two-seat jet was taking off when it crashed into an area of the base where other planes involved in the NATO exercise were parked, the ministry said in a statement.

    Emergency crews were working to douse the blaze and determine how much damage there was to other planes involved in the NATO exercise, the ministry said.

    A NATO spokeswoman declined to disclose details, referring questions to Spanish and Greek military officials.

    The Spanish ministry said the jet that crashed was taking part in a NATO training exercise called the Tactical Leadership Program.

    According to a U.S. Air Force Website, TLP was formed in 1978 by NATO's Central Region air forces to advance their tactical capabilities and produce tactics, techniques and procedures that improve multi-national tactical air operations.

    The first TLP course was located at Fuerstenfeldbruck Air Base, Germany. It has been based at the Spanish base since June 2009.
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    Re: Hellenic Armed Forces: News

    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:33 am


    good news, they are badly needed cheers
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    Re: Hellenic Armed Forces: News

    Post  George1 on Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:49 am

    KiloGolf wrote:

    good news, they are badly needed cheers

    we hear it years now, i hope it will become reality now


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    Re: Hellenic Armed Forces: News

    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:38 pm

    I just noticed the thread was AF only.
    Could we rename it to"Armed Forces" news?

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