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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  AlfaT8 on Mon Oct 24, 2016 3:06 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:Some new photos of the Ukrayina from Southfront:





    This is why the Ukrops cannot have nice things...  

    Full article on Southfront here.

    And i thought the Russian navy was in bad shape, this thing looks downright haunted, just in time for Halloween.

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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  KiloGolf on Mon Oct 24, 2016 4:48 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:Some new photos of the Ukrayina from Southfront:
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    This is why the Ukrops cannot have nice things...  

    Full article on Southfront here.

    And i thought the Russian navy was in bad shape, this thing looks downright haunted, just in time for Halloween.

    You can't compare the Russian Navy to Maidan's one-frigate flotilla.
    Pity these guys get to keep Nikolaev shipyard and related facilities.

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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  hoom on Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:50 pm

    I'd always assumed it wasn't finished due to being far from complete, not much more than an empty hull but it looks like it was actually pretty close to finished & I can understand why Russia was looking at buying it to complete for a while, a shame.

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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  flamming_python on Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:28 am

    This ship sums up the Ukraine itself quite aptly.

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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  zg18 on Tue Oct 25, 2016 1:09 pm

    Northern fleet`s "Marshal Ustinov", first modernized of the class, is starting 30-day sea trials in the White Sea.

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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  zg18 on Sun Oct 30, 2016 6:05 pm

    zg18 wrote:Northern fleet`s "Marshal Ustinov", first modernized of the class, is starting 30-day sea trials in the White Sea.



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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sun Oct 30, 2016 6:20 pm

    zg18 wrote:
    zg18 wrote:Northern fleet`s "Marshal Ustinov", first modernized of the class, is starting 30-day sea trials in the White Sea.



    Geez about time.

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    Post  Isos on Sun Oct 30, 2016 7:36 pm

    What was upgraded ? Is it a new radar on it ?

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    Post  franco on Sun Oct 30, 2016 8:07 pm

    MOSCOW, October 30 -. RIA Novosti missile cruiser "Marshal Ustinov" Project 1164 "Atlas" put to sea after the repair to perform sea trials, said on Sunday the press-service of JSC

    "Shipbuilders JSC" Center of repair "Zvezdochka" completed the repair and modernization of the missile cruiser "Marshal Ustinov" Project 1164 "Atlas". On Sunday, October 30 cruiser went to sea for the program factory sea trials ", - said in a statement.

    on modernization and restoration work began in ship repair Center "Zvezdochka" in 2011. During this time the program is executed dock work, repair of gas turbine generators and main engines with associated systems, general ship systems. Modernization work, in turn, affected the main complexes of electronic armament of the cruiser. During the tests, the experts of "Asterisk" with the crew of the cruiser will check all systems and mechanisms of the ship in sea conditions.

    Go to the place of permanent basing missile cruiser "Marshal Ustinov" is planned for the IV quarter of 2016, says the company.

    NOTE: Basically body work and engine job for a mid-life extension along with an electronic upgrade.

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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  zg18 on Sun Oct 30, 2016 8:49 pm

    Isos wrote:What was upgraded ? Is it a new radar on it ?

    MR-600 radar replaced by MR-650, MGK-335 sonar replaced by «Zarya-SK», MR-710 radar replaced by «Fregat-M2»

    https://twitter.com/chillcommand/status/790919668559208448

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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  hoom on Sun Oct 30, 2016 10:47 pm

    What was upgraded ? Is it a new radar on it ?
    This was going into repair (via Balancer forum)

    Main external difference is the Boletus http://smp-salyut.ru/?p=272 & Fregat http://smp-salyut.ru/?p=311 radars. (links in Russian)
    There is new EW gear too.
    Big question if they upgraded the S-300/how much &/or if they put Calibr launchers in the Granit tubes. Apparently not though which I think is a huge lost opportunity No could have been a 48* Calibr/Onyx salvo.

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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  George1 on Sun Oct 30, 2016 11:23 pm

    hoom wrote:
    Big question if they upgraded the S-300/how much &/or if they put Calibr launchers in the Granit tubes. Apparently not though which I think is a huge lost opportunity No could have been a 48* Calibr/Onyx salvo.

    no way.. i think upgrade was in electronics and main engines control systems only


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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  GarryB on Mon Oct 31, 2016 6:30 am

    Well, if they are replacing the Granit launchers in Oscar class SSGNs with three tubes of Onyx or Kalibr, then replacing the Vulkan launchers with Onyx/Kalibr tubes should not have been impossible... though Vulkan is angled heavily... much more so than Granit.


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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  Isos on Mon Oct 31, 2016 9:52 am

    GarryB wrote:Well, if they are replacing the Granit launchers in Oscar class SSGNs with three tubes of Onyx or Kalibr, then replacing the Vulkan launchers with Onyx/Kalibr tubes should not have been impossible... though Vulkan is angled heavily... much more so than Granit.

    It's not a problem for Onix, Russian modified Nanushka class and some Indian destroyer use them this way. But I don't think it's the case for Kalibr. Maybe the submarine lunch version could as it can be lunched by torpedo tubes but surface version are design to be lunch by VLS.

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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 01, 2016 7:59 am

    They did have a test rack for the Nanuchka boats, but we really don't know the results as to how that actually performed in those tests.

    An angled launch should not be that much of an issue...


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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  hoom on Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:07 am

    Some footage, includes some of the going into refit & leaving the dock at the end.

    They seem to say 'Caliber' quite a bit in it?
    Whats with the below waterline circle thing they are welding/grinding?

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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  A1RMAN on Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:22 am

    hoom wrote:
    They seem to say 'Caliber' quite a bit in it?

    Nope.

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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  George1 on Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:11 pm

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) – The Slava-class missile cruiser Marshal Ustinov went through repairs and is scheduled to return to Russia's Northern Fleet main base in Severomorsk by the end of 2016, the vice president of the United Shipbuilding Corporation said Wednesday.

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/russia/201611161047516376-russia-navy-missile-cruiser/


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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  KiloGolf on Thu Nov 17, 2016 5:52 pm

    A1RMAN wrote:
    hoom wrote:
    They seem to say 'Caliber' quite a bit in it?

    Nope.

    That's a big mistake, but it seems right now it's more important to have seaworthy, operational ships out there, rather than ideal capability on them.

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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:15 pm

    so did they update the weapon systems on this thing at least or was it just her electronics and radars?

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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  hoom on Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:41 am

    Apparently yes just electronics & radars.
    I guess maybe they will do a round2 with missile upgrades after the others get their upgrade?

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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Dec 03, 2016 1:10 pm

    hoom wrote:Apparently yes just electronics & radars.
    I guess maybe they will do a round2 with missile upgrades after the others get their upgrade?

    Current weapon setup is hardly lightweight.

    Granit is still a monster and they probably wanted to keep nuclear option readily available. S-300 and anti-sub setup are still going strong as well.

    And this way they completed overhaul in decent time which probably factored into decision to go with this approach.

    Good call I say.




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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  Benya on Sat Dec 03, 2016 1:59 pm

    Russian Navy Slava-class Cruiser Marshal Utsinov Completes First Trials After Modernization

    The Marshal Ustinov missile cruiser of the Northern fleet returned to Severodvinsk after the first test sortie following maintenance and upgrade, spokesman of the Zvezdochka Shipyard Yevgeny Gladyshev told TASS.


    Recent picture of Marshal Ustinov coming back from its first set of sea trials at the Zvyozdochka Shipyard in Severodvinsk in north Russia.

    "The cruiser sailed exactly a month and tested all systems of the warship. It covered over 4 thousand nautical miles. Besides the crew, there were close to 200 experts of the acceptance team from Zvezdochka and subcontractors onboard," he said.

    Gladyshev said all exposed drawbacks will be eliminated in two-three weeks and in the end of December the Marshal Ustinov will sail out for the home port of call in Severodvinsk where the main base of the fleet is located.

    The maintenance and upgrade of the cruiser began in 2011. In particular, the gas-turbine generators and the main engines, hull systems and the main cable were repaired. The basic radio-electronic warfare complexes have been upgraded.

    © Copyright 2016 TASS. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.


    A starboard bow view of the Slava Class Russian guided missile cruiser Marshal Ustinov underway. File Picture: US Navy

    Navy Recognition's comment:
    According to various sources, the Marshal Ustinov is being fitted with an advanced missile system, probably, the Kalibr (SS-N-27 Sizzler) or Oniks (SS-N-26 Strobile). The upgrade will provide the cruiser with the Podberyozovik three-dimensional long-range target acquisition radar and Fregat-M2M sea-skimming target acquisition radar. There have been statements that the ship will not receive advanced air defense missile systems.

    The Project 1164 Atlant-class cruisers are designed for dealing with enemy surface combatants and providing combat stability of Russian task forces in remote corners of the ocean. The development of the class began in the later 1970s. Four cruisers were built, of which three are in the Russian Navy’s inventory. The cruisers in the class displace a total of 11,500 tons and measure 186 m in length. They have a full speed of 32 knots, a range of 7,500 nm at 18 knots, a 130-mm AK-130 gun, antiship and air defense missile systems, 30-mm AK-630M antiaircraft guns and torpedoes. They can carry a Kamov Ka-27 (Helix) helicopter or derivatives thereof.

    Source: Arrow http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2016/december-2016-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/4637-russian-navy-slava-class-cruiser-marshal-utsinov-completes-first-trials-after-modernization.html

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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:32 pm

    Granit is still a monster and they probably wanted to keep nuclear option readily available. S-300 and anti-sub setup are still going strong as well.

    It seems based on recent reports that the Granit now has land attack capability, which makes it more versatile, but when they run out of missiles they could easily do what they are doing with the Oscar class SSGNs and replace each Granit tube with three tubes for Onix or Zircon... so 48 missiles for Slava class and 60 missiles for Kirov class vessels without even fitting UKSK....

    Onix and Kalibr also come in nuke armed models BTW.


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