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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  runaway on Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:38 am

    It seems she´s starting to get ready for the high seas, a pity though that the Bazalt missiles are not replaced. Will Moskva or Varyag be next to be overhauled, and will they also keep the Bazalt?
    The one drawback with this configuration is that a big cruiser such as a Slava lacks land attack capability.

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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  TR1 on Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:55 am

    It got Vulkan AFAIK.

    But yeah that doesn't have the flexibility Kalibr affords.

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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  Vympel on Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:13 am

    runaway wrote:It seems she´s starting to get ready for the high seas, a pity though that the Bazalt missiles are not replaced. Will Moskva or Varyag be next to be overhauled, and will they also keep the Bazalt?
    The one drawback with this configuration is that a big cruiser such as a Slava lacks land attack capability.


    All the Slava cruisers are cylcing through this refit/modernisation one after the other, I believe.
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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  GarryB on Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:00 pm

    It seems she´s starting to get ready for the high seas, a pity though that the Bazalt missiles are not replaced. Will Moskva or Varyag be next to be overhauled, and will they also keep the Bazalt?
    The one drawback with this configuration is that a big cruiser such as a Slava lacks land attack capability.

    A common mistake... this vessel wont miss a capability it never had... the real problem with using Vulkan instead of Calibr is that every Russian port will need to have Vulkan missiles in stock and engineers and mechanics who know what they are doing with these huge powerful missiles.

    If it had Calibr not only would it have land attack capability it would also not have to worry about which port it is heading to in Russia because they will all have Calibr and the support equipment needed for repairs and replacements.

    Nice pics BTW. My vote.


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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  Naval Fan on Sun Apr 05, 2015 12:11 am

    TR1 wrote:21956 is dead for all practical reasons, and Russian navy was never interested in it. What will the new destroyer look like? Maybe scaled up 22350? Or if Garry is right and it ends up being nuclear powered, I imagine the dimensions will be different.

    Apparetly the Russian navy has approved for the design, which has been released.

    http://worlddefensereview.blogspot.co.nz/2013/02/russian-navy-approves-proposed-future.html
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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  TR1 on Sun Apr 05, 2015 12:23 am

    Yep, but it is nothing to do with 21956.
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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  George1 on Wed Sep 30, 2015 8:57 am

    Russia's Northern Fleet cruiser to get new missile system

    The Marshal Ustinov cruiser is undergoing modernization at the Zvyozdochka defense shipyard in Severodvinsk


    ARKHANGELSK, September 29. /TASS/. The Russian Northern Fleet’s cruiser Marshal Ustinov, which is undergoing repairs and modernization at the Zvyozdochka defense shipyard in Severodvinsk, northwest Russia, will be armed with a new missile system and will be back in service again in 2016, the enterprise’s general director Nikolay Kalistratov said Tuesday.

    "It has been decided to equip the vessel with a new [missile] system. The ship will be handed to Russia’s navy, as envisioned by the contract, in 2016," Kalistratov said.

    The Marshal Ustinov arrived at Zvyozdochka in June 2011 for scheduled repairs. In November 2012 it was lifted from water and mounted at a staple base. Work to repair the drainage, dewatering, fire safety and other systems of the vessel were held in the dock.

    In June 2013, the cruiser was floated and modernization work continued afloat. Earlier it was reported that the cruiser will be handed to the navy after upgrade in 2015.

    The Marshal Ustinov missile cruiser was laid down at the Nikolayev shipyard in 1978. It was made part of the Northern Fleet in 1986. In 1994-1997 it underwent upgrade at St. Petersburg’s Severnaya Verf shipyard.

    The Marshal Ustinov is a missile cruiser of Project 1164 Atlant. It has a displacement of 11,380 tons, is 186 meters long and 20.8 meters wide. It can travel at a speed up to 34 knots (some 63 kmph) to distances of about 8,000 miles, and has a crew of 510 people.

    It main armament is 16 launching facilities of P-500 Bazalt supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads. Russia’s Navy has three such missile cruisers: the Moskva in the Black Sea Fleet, the Varyag in the Pacific Fleet and the Marshal Ustinov in the Northern Fleet.


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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  George1 on Wed Sep 30, 2015 8:58 am

    So what will be the new missile system?? P-1000 instead of P-500 maybe??


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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  chicken on Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:05 pm

    George1 wrote:So what will be the new missile system?? P-1000 instead of P-500 maybe??

    Oniks? They have diagonal launchers, right?
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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  George1 on Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:53 pm

    chicken wrote:
    George1 wrote:So what will be the new missile system?? P-1000 instead of P-500 maybe??

    Oniks? They have diagonal launchers, right?

    Οniks is undoubtedly more modern missile but i think it has less range


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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  artjomh on Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:16 pm

    I believe P-1000 was already installed in 1997. It's a bit unclear what exactly was changed. Some say only the missiles on Moskva and Marshal Ustinov were changed, while the launchers stayed the same, so there are some limitations. Varyag has native P-1000 infrastructure, with new launchers.

    I wouldn't be surprised if the "new missile complex" actually just means changing 5V55RM into 48N6E2 (it's non-foreign version that is). Same as they are switching from 48N6 to 48N6E2 on Admiral Nakhimov.

    People get overexcited when they hear "new". Don't.
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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  Stealthflanker on Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:00 pm

    artjomh wrote:

    I wouldn't be surprised if the "new missile complex" actually just means changing 5V55RM into 48N6E2 (it's non-foreign version that is). Same as they are switching from 48N6 to 48N6E2 on Admiral Nakhimov.

    If that's the case.. i would expect to see 30N6 in place of the 3R41.

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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  artjomh on Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:24 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    artjomh wrote:

    I wouldn't be surprised if the "new missile complex" actually just means changing 5V55RM into 48N6E2 (it's non-foreign version that is). Same as they are switching from 48N6 to 48N6E2 on Admiral Nakhimov.

    If that's the case.. i would expect to see 30N6 in place of the 3R41.


    Not necessarily.

    Pyotr Veliky has no problem guiding S-300FM with Volna. Unless they only use the Flap Lid in the front for Fort-M.

    There is also Fregat and Podberyozovok on Ustinov.
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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  George1 on Thu Oct 15, 2015 1:57 pm

    Nearing at the end of the renovation and modernization of the missile cruiser "Marshal Ustinov"



    11 October 2015, being on the final stage of the average repair and modernization of the missile cruiser "Marshal Ustinov" 1164 Project of the Northern Fleet. The ship is under repair and modernization at the head office of JSC "Center for ship repair" Star " from July 2011. Visible installed during the modernization, the new radar system.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1524258.html


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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  Book. on Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:51 pm

    ГРКР «Москва» прибыл к побережью Латакии для противовоздушной обороны района
    RuNaval the Moska class missle cruiser. Duty the Lataka Syria [HD]
    Published on Nov 26, 2015 [11.27.2015 02:52:55

    Guards missile cruiser Moskva arrived to the shore zone of Latakia for air defence of the region



    Moska class ready the duty thumbsup
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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  George1 on Fri Feb 05, 2016 12:12 pm

    Russian Missile Cruiser Varyag to Be Modernized Until 2020

    According to a source in the Russian defense industry, the flagship of the Russian Pacific Fleet, Guards’ missile cruiser Varyag, will undergo a modernization until 2020.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) – The flagship of the Russian Pacific Fleet, Guards’ missile cruiser Varyag, will undergo a modernization until 2020, a source in the Russian defense industry said Friday.

    "An overhaul and modernization of the Pacific Fleet's Guards missile cruiser Varyag will be carried out in the period until 2020," the source told RIA Novosti.

    He added that the modernization implies equipping of the cruiser with new radioelectronic weapons, and upgrading of the propulsion system.

    The Varyag is a Slava-class guided missile cruiser commissioned in 1989.

    It was designed as surface strike ship with anti-air and anti-submarine warfare capability, and has a primary armament of sixteen P-1000 Vulkan nuclear-capable supersonic cruise missiles.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20160205/1034274494/russian-missile-cruiser-modernized.html#ixzz3zI6NwYQ0


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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  George1 on Sat Feb 06, 2016 12:23 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:


    max steel wrote:Russian Missile Cruiser Varyag to Be Modernized by 2020

    He added that the modernization implies equipping of the cruiser with new radioelectronic weapons, and upgrading of the propulsion system.
    The Varyag is a Slava-class guided missile cruiser commissioned in 1989.
    It was designed as surface strike ship with anti-air and anti-submarine warfare capability, and has a primary armament of sixteen P-1000 Vulkan nuclear-capable supersonic cruise missiles.


    I hope that also V-1000 will be replaced modernized Onyxes or Zircons. And OSA by Pantsir/or Tor

    there will not be armaments modernization, only electronics and propulsion system upgrade



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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Feb 21, 2016 3:59 pm

    From Aldin's Twitter

    Naval Analyses ‏@D__Mitch Feb 20

    Russian cruiser Marshal Ustinov with new radars (MR-650 main mast, MR-700 fore mast). Photo @zvezdochkaru1 MT @az1ok

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    Russian cruiser Marshal Ustinov with new radars (MR-650 main mast, MR-700 fore mast).

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Feb 21, 2016 5:33 pm

    JohninMK wrote:From Aldin's Twitter

    Naval Analyses ‏@D__Mitch Feb 20

    Russian cruiser Marshal Ustinov with new radars (MR-650 main mast, MR-700 fore mast). Photo @zvezdochkaru1 MT @az1ok


    so old AShM remain? no Onyx replacements? I can imagine that if P-700 cell can be replaced by 3xCaliber then ?-1000 cell can be replaced by 2-3xOnyx, or I am wrong?
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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  hoom on Fri Jun 24, 2016 4:01 am

    Not much apparent progress since Oct.

    Edit: from Balancers' forum


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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

    Post  Big_Gazza on Sat Jun 25, 2016 2:04 am

    hoom wrote:Not much apparent progress since Oct.
    I suspect that the heavy construction is complete and the workfronts have shifted to internal fitout & testing of electrical/electronic equipment, cabling and integration engineering (eg software and systems interfaces). In my experience this is where most delays are incurred with marine upgrades.
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    Re: Project 1164 Atlant: Slava Class cruiser

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