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    Post  medo on Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:11 pm

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    Pakistan capture two Indian pilots. Pakistan shot down 2 planes, 1 of them was MiG-21 and 1 helicopter Mi-8. The second Indian fighter is still not known. It could be another MiG-21, Mirage-2000 or Jaguar. There is a big mess. Anyway, considering MiG-21 is single seater, 2 captured pilots prove to shot down 2 planes. Helicopter was shot down inside India.

    On the other side India claim, that their MiG-21 shot down Pakistani F-16, but for now, they didn't show any proof for their claim.
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    Post  medo on Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:22 pm

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    Remains of the shot down Indian MiG-21.
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    Post  Isos on Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:12 pm

    Not a surprise, they send a lonely mig-21 at the border with no support from sukhois or mig-29 while they knew pakistani will try to down anything they can.

    They have to fire some decision maker in the air force quickly.
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    Post  nomadski on Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:43 pm

    If it was not for both countries , possessing nukes , then the two sides would have by now gone to full scale war and killed hundreds of thousands . I think Pakistan government will in future find it less costly to target the terror cells on their territory than to target that of a nuclear armed neighbour . Perhaps India had to respond by it's military , once Indian troops killed . But Iranian troops also killed,  by Pakistan based terror group . At least one terror member , was of Pakistan nationality . In future , other measures , such as sanctions can be put in place ,  if Pakistan fails to act . This at least is better than escalating to war .

    I love Nukes . Nuke weapons . Nuke  power . Nuke medicine . Nuke toothpaste . Even Nuke radiation has it's uses . From cosmic to man made radiation , leading in cases to genetic mutations . After a nuke war perhaps new humans with two brains and four eyes ! Maybe they will think and see better !  Maybe not . There will be peace . Yes Nukes are needed sometimes to keep the peace .
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:03 pm

    https://sputniknews.com/asia/201902271072784063-kashmir-india-pakistan-warpanes-shot-down/

    So there is a lot of fake news being spread by Pakistan. There is only 1 captured Pilot. The other image being peddled here (the injured guy) is from a crash in Bangalore. MiG-21 BIS shot down F-16, then it got itself shot down.
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    Post  Nibiru on Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:16 pm


    Is there any chance of a united effort by countries to sanction (comparable to Iran or North Korea) Pakistan for their blatant support of Islamic Terrorists? Perhaps India should go ahead and divert rivers flowing to Pakistan to impose some pain to these Jihadist Pigs. India should not stand down and continue to escalate this issue and ultimately break Pakistan and massacre its Terrorist population.
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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:51 pm

    So far Indians do everything wrong. Mig-21???? Who the fuck operates this plane in 2019 against the most competent Islamist military?
    Either they have to attempt a shift asymmetric show off immediately, with the best they got, either they have to back down before this turns nuclear.
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    Post  Nibiru on Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:19 pm


    back down before this turns nuclear.

    I disagree. Everytime Muslims cause trouble why is it that the non-muslims are the ones who should show restraint and back down? the days when Muslims are given too much appeasement needs to end. If a Nuclear war is what will force the non-muslim world to finally react to the centuries of lslamic Jihad being waged then so be it. Impose the Muzzies extreme pain and massacre them all.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:17 pm

    Nibiru wrote:

    back down before this turns nuclear.

    I disagree. Everytime Muslims cause trouble why is it that the non-muslims are the ones who should show restraint and back down? the days when Muslims are given too much appeasement needs to end. If a Nuclear war is what will force the non-muslim world to finally react to the centuries of lslamic Jihad being waged then so be it. Impose the Muzzies extreme pain and massacre them all.

    Agreed.  Islamist Pakistan lost an F-16 to a MiG-21.  If India just had better support they wouldn't have lost that MiG.

    Regardless, Pakistan needs to be punished for their support of Jihadi's.  India suffered too much.
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    Post  Isos on Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:24 pm

    They will regret spendinh billion in few rafales while they could have had 100 mig-35 easily for that money.

    The bombs the mirages used during the bombing were israeli made and it looks like they really landed 1km away from targets. Indian faced reality. Even tge so good mig-21 israeli jammers sucks. The air defence system they have will prove also to suck.

    Russia can expect big deals in about 2 or 3 weeks.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:00 pm


    Honestly I am kinda leaning towards supporting Pakistan here.

    Reason? That annoying Indian tourism add on TV.

    Every time I hear that chick yelling ''INCREDIBLE INDIAAAAAA!!!!'' I get the urge to run my foot through the TV... angry
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    Post  Isos on Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:48 pm

    Finally ....


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    #BREAKING: It is now confirmed that #India Air Force has heavily massed its fighters at Srinagar & Adampur Air Bases tonight. Even an Il-78MKI tanker has come a long way from Agra AFS. Several Su-30MKIs & MiG-29UPGs are now flying over #Kashmir.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:00 pm


    Well, looks like Wikipedia has fallen victim to conflict as well lol1

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    Post  Isos on Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:08 pm

    lol1 Isn't the cow a god for indians ?? That's a friendly fire lol1

    You should go on twitter its even more funny lol1
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    Post  George1 on Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:59 am

    Director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies Ruslan Pukhov took part in the broadcast of RBC TV channel and compared the military capabilities of India and Pakistan.

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    Post  George1 on Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:01 pm







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    Post  medo on Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:06 pm

    Everything now become more clearer than yesterday. Now it is clear, that Pakistani JF-17 shot down 1 Indian MiG-21 with PL-12 missile. Around that time Indian Mi-17 helicopter crash, for which it is not clear if it crashed or was shot down. Could be, that PAF count this helicopter as the second plane shot down. No other plane was lost.

    Indian attack on terrorist base in Pakistan day earlier was total fiasco. Pakistan show proofs, that India didn't hit their targets, but their bombs fall miles away. There are two options. Pakistan claim, that the presence of their fighters made Indians to drop their bombs and escape back to India as cowards. On the other hand India claim, they bomb it. In that case it is even bigger disaster. India made its strike with modernized Mirage-2000H armed with israeli lightening pods and precise guided bombs Rafael Spice-2000. They missed their targets for miles, not meters. If they use standard MiG-21 with dumb bombs, they could not miss targets for such a distance. No one else, who use Mirage-2000 miss its target for miles with guided weapons. It looks like French Mirage and Israeli equipment are not compatible. But India have its bad habit to push non original equipment in their planes like Mirage-2000, Jaguar or Su-30MKI. In Su-30MKI India replace original Russian electronics with a mix of Indian, French and Israeli electronics, equipment and weapons, so there is a well argumented fear, that Su-30MKI in Indian hands could show quite bad results in Kashmir, although Russian Su-30SM works excellent in Syria and was very precise even with dumb bombs.
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    Post  Vann7 on Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:02 pm



    apparently ..the Pakistani downed F-16 by India found..

    https://sputniknews.com/asia/201902281072828764-india-pakistan-air-strike/


    So seems India Shot down the F-16 first.. who invaded India..
    perhaps in retaliation for Indian bombing a terrorist base..

    then Pakistan retaliated and took down the Mig-21...

    So the score is India =1 , Pakistan =1.
    But pakistan got the biggest lost ,since lose his best more expensive
    F-16 block 50 plane.. while india only lost a very cheap soviet era plane. mig-21 plane.

    the missing thing is the pakistani pilot.. if story is confirmed..

    I think it was worth of it.. now pakistan will know there will get bombed
    their terrorist if they allow this to happen again.. IRAN borders guard were
    also attacked by Pakistan in a nearly similar terror attack. pakistan allows
    terror camps to locate near IRAN and India and turn blind eye on their attacks on neighbors.
    Will not be surprising if this was coordinated by CIA.. retaliate India for buying oil from venezuela.
    helping them to counter US sanctions..
    by India
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    Post  RTN on Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:20 pm

    George1 wrote: Director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies Ruslan Pukhov took part in the broadcast of RBC TV channel and compared the military capabilities of India and Pakistan.



    What is he saying? Will you please translate?
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    Post  Isos on Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:05 pm

    No one else, who use Mirage-2000 miss its target for miles with guided weapons. It looks like French Mirage and Israeli equipment are not compatible. But India have its bad habit to push non original equipment in their planes like Mirage-2000, Jaguar or Su-30MKI.

    GPS in mountains as guidance sucks. Laser guidance in a forest sucks too. What they need is free fall bombs and low flying attacks.
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    Post  Isos on Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:27 pm

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    BREAKING: India has shared the details of the air combat that took place between PAF and IAF jets in disputed region of #Kashmir on Wednesday in which Pakistan shot down an Indian jet and captured its pilot, wing-commander #AbhinandanVarthaman

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    A package of 24 Pakistani fighters were intercepted by eight Indian fighters, which included a MiG 21 Bison wing-commander #AbhinandanVarthaman was piloting. Pakistani package also included F-16 fighters, which was denied by DG ISPR in his briefing yesterday.

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    Pakistani Air Force strike package included eight F-16s, four Mirage-3s, four JF-17 Thunder fighters. Other jets in the formation were escort fighters to protect the Pakistan strike formation from any Indian Air Force retaliation.

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    #AbhinandanVartaman was in hot pursuit of a Pakistani F-16 jet, which he engaged with an R-73 air-to-air missile.  The state-of-the-art PAF fighter, thought to be a two-seater variant of the jet, was shot down. Both pilots were seen parachuting down on the Pakistani side of LoC.

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    The large PAF attack formation was detected at 0945 hours, when they came within 10 km of the LoC. A small number of these fighters then proceeded to cross the LoC, when they were intercepted by eight IAF jets, which included four Sukhoi 30s, two Mirage 2000s & two MiG 21 Bisons.

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    The IAF jets gave chase to the PAF jets on their return leg after they had dropped a handful of laser-guided bombs that narrowly missed their military targets along the LoC. Wing Commander #AbhinandanVarthaman  was in hot pursuit of a PAF F-16, which his radar had locked onto.

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    Despite being warned by other fighter in the formation about the presence of Pakistani fighters, he pushed home his attack and fired an R-73 air-to-air missile. At this stage of the air-to-air encounter, the pilot's wingman was also exposed and vulnerable.

    #India #Pakistan

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    Two missiles were fired by PAF F-16s. One of them AMRAAM struck his aircraft, while another missed his wingman. The Wing Commander was forced to eject and landed into the Pakistani side of LoC, where he was captured. Pakistan will release him tomorrow.
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    Post  Tingsay on Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:50 pm

    What variant is that Mig21? Pretty impressive to shoot down an F-16.
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    Post  jhelb on Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:54 pm

    Hindus unlike Slavs (especially Russians) are NOT know to be great fighters. This explains why they were under Islamic occupation for over a thousand years, followed by British - a country that never won against Russia Very Happy

    The win loss record is heavily stacked in favour of Muslims. Pakistan backed by its Arab allies & China will prevail. No way India is going to win this war.
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    Post  Tingsay on Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:01 pm

    jhelb wrote:Hindus unlike Slavs (especially Russians) are NOT know to be great fighters. This explains why they were under Islamic occupation for over a thousand years, followed by British  - a country that never won against Russia Very Happy

    The win loss record is heavily stacked in favour of Muslims. Pakistan backed by its Arab allies & China will prevail. No way India is going to win this war.

    Pretty sure India won all Indo-Pakistan Wars except for the debatable first (1947). Laughing
    So dont know what your talking about.
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    Post  Isos on Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:07 pm

    Tingsay wrote:What variant is that Mig21? Pretty impressive to shoot down an F-16.

    Mig-21 bison. It has an updated and very good radar, r-77 and r-73.

    Unfortunatly israeli jammer didn't work on the AMRAAM. Just like Israeli missiles fired from mirages didn't work. They will think twice next time they want to buy something from israel.

    Good fighter but it has small payload of 4 missiles, and small range. The airframe is also very old.

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