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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Apr 09, 2016 5:38 am

    They have other type of shelters like seen with Yak-130's as an example.  Russian jets seem to operate quite fine even without shelters.  Not like they don't have shelters, but a lack of it in terms of total numbers.

    franco wrote:No Russian Air Base for Belarus At the Present

    The question of placing on the territory of Belarus, the Russian military air base is not necessary, but the republic did not rule out the possibility of returning to the subject - depending on the circumstances, said Friday the head of the Foreign Ministry of Belarus Vladimir Makei.
    In mid-September of last year, Russian President Vladimir Putin instructed the Russian Defense Ministry and Foreign Ministry to hold talks with Minsk and their follow-up to sign an agreement on the establishment of a Russian air base in Belarus. Later, the Belarusian leader Lukashenko said he would not discuss with Russia the issue.
    "If need be, in any case, you can return to this issue, but at this stage, it seems to us that there is no sense to speak on the issue of placement of Russian military bases on the territory of Belarus. As long as the question at this stage is closed. But this does not mean that it will be impossible to return if the relevant circumstances change, and we will have to make some appropriate response, "- said Mackay.
    In November, head of operational management of the main command of air and space forces of Russia Alexander Lyapkin said that the project to create a Russian airbase in Belarus involves placing at the airport in Bobruisk Russian aviapodrazdeleniya of 12 combat aircraft and 4 military transport helicopters.


    Currently this makes sense. It would end up being another wasteful dump in cash for Russia. And it will just create unnecessary risks from the west regarding it due to them trying hard to pressure Belarus. Of course they give hints that it can be returned to the talks of it, and that is obvious, since Belarus may see potential issues in the future that will require it due to EU and US meddling. But at present time, not needed. Instead, better jets for Belarus. Good thing they are opting for Su-30's.

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  medo on Sat Apr 09, 2016 9:40 am

    Problem is, that Russia have many old concrete shelters built for MiG-21 and MiG-23 fighters and they are too small for big Flankers. Domna air base have enough shelters, but they are too small for Su-30SM, but they are big enough for Su-25.

    Russia now start to build similar light shelters for their jets and helicopters with modernization of their air bases. You could see them here:

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t4629p450-vvs-russian-air-force-news-2

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  Militarov on Mon Apr 11, 2016 10:18 pm

    "India Is Out, But Russia Continues Developing Il-214 Transport

    The Russian government will fund development of the Ilyushin Il-214 medium airlifter and production of about a hundred such aircraft for the Russian Air and Space Force (VKS), according to industry sources close to the program. Allocations for procurement will be provided in the Kremlin's new Armament Program after 2020, following the current program timed for 2010-2020. The Il-214 is, effectively, a version of the Indo-Russian Multirole Transport Aircraft (MTA). Moscow and New Delhi signed a government-to-government agreement for the MTA in 2007. This was followed three years later by a co-development agreement at the industry level. A newly established Multirole Transport Aircraft Ltd. (MTAL) company based in Bangalore made its first appearance at airshows with a stand at AeroIndia 2010.

    The development costs were previously estimated at $600 million, and were to be covered by both parties on equal terms. Serial examples of the aircraft would cost between $35 and $40 million. The global market for the MTA was forecast at 400 units, including special mission versions for electronic warfare, airborne early warning and control, reconnaissance and patrol and airborne tanker.

    India’s Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL) and its Russian collaborators signed agreements in 2012 that established a joint team of 150 designers in Moscow and Bangalore. The team started working on MTA documentation in December that year. Shortly thereafter, however, the effort was discontinued over disagreements and misunderstandings. In January, Ilyushin general manager Sergei Velmozhkin told reporters: “As a joint project between Russia and India, this project has been halted.”

    Designers in Moscow, however, continue to develop documentation for the aircraft tailored to VKS requirements. A September 2015 protocol between Russia’s Ministry of Defense and industry calls for completion of Il-214 development.

    “The Indians are very difficult people to do business with,” Ilyushin general designer Nikolai Talikov told AIN. “At first, it looked like they are all set to go, but later they began to hesitate. The two countries considered many options, including joint production of Il-114 and, later, the MTA…In the end, Russia will make this aircraft alone, under the designation Il-214.”

    The Il-214 program is currently at the draft design stage. Documentation for the manufacturing plant—Aviastar, in Ulianovsk—will be prepared after the design house completes similar work on the smaller Il-112V tactical airlifter for production at the VASO plant in Voronezh. According to Talikov, VASO is on track to make an airframe for structural testing this year, followed by a first prototype and its maiden flight in 2017. Subsequently, the Il-214 prototype is planned for completion “around 2020,” Talikov said. Developmental prototypes and early production examples will have twin Aviadvigatel PS-90A1 turbofans, each developing 17.4 tons of thrust. These will later be replaced by the more advanced PD-14M producing 18 tons of thrust.

    The current work schedule and engine choice are markedly different from earlier ones. Under agreements signed in 2007-2010, the MTA was to make its maiden flight between 2016 and 2018. It was to be powered by CFM International CFM56 or IAE V2500 turbofans, as these were favored above Russian and Ukrainian options to power 45 deliverable aircraft for the Indian air force.

    The most recent information on MTA/Il-214 performance and specification metrics available from Russian industry sites specify a maximum takeoff weight of 68 metric tons (149,912 pounds), maximum payload of 20 metric tons (44,092 pounds)and runway length at 1,600 m to 1,800 m (5,250 to 6,000 feet). Design targets include transportation of a 20-ton payload to 2,250 km (1,214 nm) and 10-ton payload to 6,400 km (3,454 nm) at a cruise speed of 437 ktas. The aircraft’s service life will be 35 years and 30,000 flight hours. Outwardly, the Il-214 resembles a classic twinjet with T-shaped empennage and two high-bypass turbofan engines on underwing pylons. The cabin cross section (with fuselage diameter of about 16 feet) is similar to the much heavier Il-76 four-engine transport. The Il-214 will be able to accommodate two standard army trucks or five airline containers. In a single-deck layout, the aircraft would accommodate 70 to 82 paratroopers; a double-decker would carry up to 150.

    The crew station is modeled after that of the Il-476 and features six multifunction displays and two head-up displays. Takeoff and landing operations can be made using both paved and unpaved runways, in hot-and-high environments, and during day or night conditions."


    Source: http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2016-04-11/india-out-russia-continues-developing-il-214-transport

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Wed Apr 13, 2016 10:54 pm

    So seems an SU-24 flew within 30 feet of a US DD with apparently violates a treaty earlier today

    Article is on military times. If that true that and very reckless behavior and the DD could claim a legal shot down if it felt threatened.

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  Militarov on Wed Apr 13, 2016 11:01 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:So seems an SU-24 flew within 30 feet of a US DD with apparently violates a treaty earlier today

    Article is on military times. If that true that and very reckless behavior and the DD could claim a legal shot down if it felt threatened.


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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Apr 13, 2016 11:20 pm

    Don't really know where to put this so put it in the VVS video thread.

    Haven't put the video links in here that I put there as they are included in the combo video above.

    The Su-24 seems to be really attracted to the USS Donald Cook. First there was that business in the Black Sea, now the destroyer has moved to the Baltic it was clearly 'lets say hello' time again. Don't know about dangerous flying but it looked like an excellent inpromptu training opportunity for the USN so they shouldn't be whingeing about it.

    This is one of the stills and a couple of the videos from the link. Much more info there.








    http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=94170

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  franco on Wed Apr 13, 2016 11:55 pm

    Doesn't that first photo make the Su-24 look like a great white shark on the prowl for a meal? ^^^^^^^^^^^^

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  franco on Tue Apr 19, 2016 10:27 pm

    Disposal of aircraft

    As the documentation for the open tender "Works on recovery of aviation equipment: Lot number 1 - collection of aircraft; lot number 2 - utilization of helicopters; lot number 3 - recovery of unmanned aerial vehicles for the needs of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation", the Defense Ministry plans to dispose of the following number of techniques:

    1. Aircraft:
    MiG-23MS - 1 units.
    MiG-23BN - 1 units.
    MiG-23MLD - 7 units.
    MiG-25PU - 2 units.
    MiG-25RB - 7 units.
    MiG-27M - 6 units.
    MiG-29 - 32 units.
    MiG-29B - 6 units.
    MiG-29UB - 1 units.
    Su-24 - 9 units.
    Su-27C - 3 units.
    Su-27UP - 1 units.
    Su-27P - 8 units.

    2. Helicopters:
    Mi-24 - 4 units.
    Mi-24V - 7 units.
    Mi-24K - 8 units.
    Mi-24P - 2 units.
    Mi-24P - 6 units.

    3. drones:
    Bee 1 - 2 units.
    Wing - 91 units.
    Reis-D - 19 units.
    Wing-U - 3 units.

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  Viktor on Sun Apr 24, 2016 11:40 am

    Contract signed for ... thumbsup

    - 24 x Mi-28UB
    - 2 Mi-26

    Ministry of Defense and "Helicopters of Russia" signed contracts on the Mi-28UB and Mi-26

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  medo on Sun Apr 24, 2016 11:55 am

    Viktor wrote:Contract signed for ...  thumbsup

    - 24 x Mi-28UB
    - 2 Mi-26

    Ministry of Defense and "Helicopters of Russia" signed contracts on the Mi-28UB and Mi-26

    Good news. I wonder if Mi-28UB for RuAF will be also equipped with Arbalet radar, like export ones are.

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  George1 on Sun Apr 24, 2016 2:55 pm

    Viktor wrote:Contract signed for ...  thumbsup

    - 24 x Mi-28UB
    - 2 Mi-26

    Ministry of Defense and "Helicopters of Russia" signed contracts on the Mi-28UB and Mi-26

    so Mi-28UBs will be for training?


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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  Militarov on Sun Apr 24, 2016 3:32 pm

    George1 wrote:
    Viktor wrote:Contract signed for ...  thumbsup

    - 24 x Mi-28UB
    - 2 Mi-26

    Ministry of Defense and "Helicopters of Russia" signed contracts on the Mi-28UB and Mi-26

    so Mi-28UBs will be for training?

    They still have their combat capabilities, just will offer easier training for new pilots. There were quite a few issues with training of new crews for Mi28s till now due to lack of real training platform.

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:21 pm


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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  Militarov on Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:41 pm

    sepheronx wrote:

    What... that doesnt make sense whatsoever.

    They are already buying Yak-130 as an advanced trainer, and Yak-152 is to come as primary/entry trainer... Where da hell is this thing supposed to fit in? Between them? As... intermediate trainer?


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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:43 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:

    What... that doesnt make sense whatsoever.

    They are already buying Yak-130 as an advanced trainer, and Yak-152 is to come as primary/entry trainer... Where da hell is this thing supposed to fit in? Between them? As... intermediate trainer?


    As I already stated before, the only reason VKS could ever put that in to service is if they plan on bringing forward-swept winged aircraft in to service, such as the Su-47, otherwise there's no logical reason to put that plane in to service. A major strike against the aircraft is that it's a private venture so...

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    Post  Berkut on Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:26 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:

    What... that doesnt make sense whatsoever.

    They are already buying Yak-130 as an advanced trainer, and Yak-152 is to come as primary/entry trainer... Where da hell is this thing supposed to fit in? Between them? As... intermediate trainer?


    As I already stated before, the only reason VKS could ever put that in to service is if they plan on bringing forward-swept winged aircraft in to service, such as the Su-47, otherwise there's no logical reason to put that plane in to service. A major strike against the aircraft is that it's a private venture so...

    /shitrussiadefencesays.

    Yes, SR-10 is supposed to fit between Yak-130 and 152.

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    Post  sepheronx on Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:08 pm

    Berkut wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:

    What... that doesnt make sense whatsoever.

    They are already buying Yak-130 as an advanced trainer, and Yak-152 is to come as primary/entry trainer... Where da hell is this thing supposed to fit in? Between them? As... intermediate trainer?


    As I already stated before, the only reason VKS could ever put that in to service is if they plan on bringing forward-swept winged aircraft in to service, such as the Su-47, otherwise there's no logical reason to put that plane in to service. A major strike against the aircraft is that it's a private venture so...

    /shitrussiadefencesays.

    At least he isn't acting like an arrogant little prick like the ones you can find on keypub.  The ones that talks shit yet doesn't back it up but demands others to.

    Ontopic:

    I myself am glad they are looking into this. I hope there is an order.

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    Post  Militarov on Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:24 am

    I am not sure if i like the idea, i would rather see good turboprop intermediate trainer, one that could also get made into modern COIN rather than another jet trainer. Somewhat like Super Tucano, i love that thing so much Very Happy

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:51 am

    Berkut wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:

    What... that doesnt make sense whatsoever.

    They are already buying Yak-130 as an advanced trainer, and Yak-152 is to come as primary/entry trainer... Where da hell is this thing supposed to fit in? Between them? As... intermediate trainer?


    As I already stated before, the only reason VKS could ever put that in to service is if they plan on bringing forward-swept winged aircraft in to service, such as the Su-47, otherwise there's no logical reason to put that plane in to service.

    /shitrussiadefencesays.

    Yes, SR-10 is supposed to fit between Yak-130 and 152.

    I reiterate there's no logical reason put that aircraft in to service. A major strike against the aircraft is that it's a private venture so...

    /LackofReadingComprehensionLOL Razz Embarassed

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  GarryB on Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:10 am

    It is a private venture... why not just wish it success on the civilian market?

    I rather doubt it would be a replacement for the Yak-130... the Yak-130 can carry a weapon payload of 3 tons and the SR-10 has a MTOW of 2.7 tons... they are clearly not in the same class.


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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  Militarov on Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:16 am

    GarryB wrote:It is a private venture... why not just wish it success on the civilian market?

    I rather doubt it would be a replacement for the Yak-130... the Yak-130 can carry a weapon payload of 3 tons and the SR-10 has a MTOW of 2.7 tons... they are clearly not in the same class.

    They are not, SR-10 would fit broadly near PC-21 or A29 Super Tucano or Texan II as they are not entry priston engine trainers and are not either real advanced jet engine trainers but something in between.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun May 08, 2016 2:17 pm


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    Post  Svyatoslavich on Sun May 08, 2016 2:55 pm

    These are not model kits but toys, they probably buy Chinese toy planes and paint with Strizhi colors, I would buy for my 3 year old who would love them. Anyway, Strizhi also sell some very good MiG-29 models, the metal in 1/72 scale and the huge 1/32 seem to be very nice:
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    http://admin.strizhi.info/2015/09/30/10393
    If I went to Russia again, I would buy not only these, but also bring an entire luggage full of Zvezda models.

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    Post  GarryB on Mon May 09, 2016 6:12 am

    i just bought a modelling magazine that had an awesome kit of a MiG-31BM in 1/48 scale... it looked amazing...


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