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    VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  TheArmenian on Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:39 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:For the people wondering about the situation of Ukrainian helicopter engine dependency for Russia, according to Andrei Shibitov they should be able to completely replace the dependency within 1.5 years, Klimov representative said the design bureau will manufacture 300-320 annually, including 250 for the Russian military.:

    http://itar-tass.com/politika/1159308

    Fairy tales. The VK-2500 production timeselip should let you know all you need about the potential to completely replace Motor-Sich helicopter engines in that timeframe.

    Plus, most customers are buying the TV3-117. They don't want the Vk-2500 on all of the platforms it can potential go on for cost reasons. Klimov production will cost more, let alone using VK-2500 for all their products.

    Which platforms do use the VK-2500? Mi-28 and KA-52? Anything else?

    Which ones do use the TV3-117? Mi-35, Mi-17 and KA-32?

    Would appreciate the correct detailed information. Thanks.

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    Post  TR1 on Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:18 pm

    Almost anything that uses TV3-117 can/has been trialed with VK-2500.
    But yearly the TV3-117 is made in far larger amounts, because most civilian and mil Mi-8 family operators have no need for the VK-2500.
    Currently I think just the attack helos are being fitted serially with the engine.
    If MOD starts buying VK-2500 across the board, that would certainly be a net performance gain, but I don't think the mil wants to foot the bill.

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    Post  Austin on Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:08 am

    FARNBOROUGH : First Day Show News

    http://in.zinio.com/reader.jsp?issue=416309663&e=true

    Has updates with interview with Pogosyan and Superjet Program

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    Post  TR1 on Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:02 am

    http://www.armstass.su/?page=article&aid=129328&cid=25

    RSK MiG and the Sokol factory to be integrated.

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    Post  Viktor on Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:26 pm

    Nice article:

    - about 100 combat planes for Russian Air Force in 2014 + dozen for export
    - 6th gen fighter in about 12 years (second half of 2020)
    - FGFA according to schedule

    Russian Defense Ministry in 2014 will receive about 100 new combat aircraft

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    Post  George1 on Fri Jul 18, 2014 1:22 pm

    VASO continues the flight testing of fourth An-148 jet intended for Russian Ministry of Defense

    An-148-100E (MSN 42-10, tail number – 61723) manufactured by Voronezh Aircraft Production Association (VASO) performed its first test flight. The jet will be delivered to the Russian Ministry of Defense, press-service of VASO reports. It is the 23rd aircraft of the type manufactured by the enterprise.

    According to the head of VASO flight test department, Mikhail Fomin, in the network of six test flights functionality of all the aircraft systems and engines on different flight levels will be checked, go-around tests will be carried out. The aircraft’s stability and sensitivity at different altitudes as well as overall aircraft performance will be evaluated. The functionality of radio equipment, flap system, landing gear and aircraft landing system will be checked. Upon completion of the flight test program a number of acceptance flights will be performed and customer’s representatives will evaluate the aircraft’s performance.

    The state contract for delivery of 15 An-148 jets to Russian Ministry of Defense was signed by VASO on May 7th 2013. It is being implemented on schedule. In the network of this contract the flight testing of the first jet was started on September 12th 2013 and it was delivered to the customer on December 6th 2013. The handover ceremony was held in Borisoglebsk. Russian Minister of Defense, Sergey Shoygu, took part in the ceremony as well as the president of United Aircraft Corporation, Mikhail Pogosyan, management team of VASO and representatives of Russian air forces.

    The factory testing of the second jet of the type was being carried out during the period from December 2013 to January 2014. The flight testing of the third An-148-100E was started in March 2014; the vehicle was delivered to the customer on July 2nd. The jet performed ferry flight from Voronezh to Chkalovski airfield (Moscow Region).

    An-148 regional jets manufactured by VASO have been successfully operated by Rossiya – Russian Airlines, Rossiya special aircraft division, Angara Airlines, EMERCOM and Russian Ministry of Defense since 2009. An-148 fleet accumulated almost 85000 flight hours.

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    Post  Viktor on Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:33 pm

    During the first half of 2014, Russian AF received 70 helicopters and planes  thumbsup 

    Russian Air Force received this year more than 70 aircraft and helicopters

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    Post  George1 on Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:58 pm

    Russian Ministry of Defense took delivery of another An-148 aircraft

    Representatives of Russian Ministry of Defense completed the acceptance of An-148-100E aircraft manufactured by Voronezh Aircraft Production Association (VASO) on July 11th 2014. The same day the jet’s crew performed ferry flight from Pridacha airport to the aircraft’s home base, said in the VASO’s statement.

    In the network of six test flights performed by the aircraft (MSN 42-08, tail number – RA-61721) the functionality of the following aircraft systems has been checked: navigation system, APU, engines on different flight levels, etc. The go-around tests have been carried out as well as one-engine landing; the functionality of life support systems (used in case of decompression and other emergencies) has also been evaluated. The acceptance test program comprised a number of ground tests and six more flights. This An-148 has been upgraded in accordance with the customer’s requirements.

    The crews for the new jets are trained by specialists of Chkalov State Flight Test Center, who have highly appreciated the capabilities of this regional aircraft.

    Besides the RA-61721 airliner, the Ministry of Defense operates An-148 jets with tail numbers RA-61718 and RA-61722. At present VASO is carrying out testing of the fourth An-148 manufactured under the state contract with Russian Ministry of Defense for delivery of 15 jets of the type.

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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  Austin on Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:22 am

    Guys do we have pictures of Ukraine Su-25 carrying Air to Air Missiles ? 

    I couldnt find any on www . Any pictures will be great ... Thanks

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:41 am

    Errrm all Su-25s have an outer weapon pylon designed only to use R-60MK or R-3S or in the later upgraded models R-73 AAMs.

    AFAIK the only model variant of the Su-25 that can't carry AAMs is the Su-28 trainer used exclusively on the Kuznetsov as a carrier based trainer.


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    Post  Austin on Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:49 am

    GarryB wrote:Errrm all Su-25s have an outer weapon pylon designed only to use R-60MK or R-3S or in the later upgraded models R-73 AAMs.

    AFAIK the only model variant of the Su-25 that can't carry AAMs is the Su-28 trainer used exclusively on the Kuznetsov as a carrier based trainer.
    Thanks but pictures would be good.

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    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:13 am

    On outer pylons


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    Post  Austin on Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:16 am

    Judging by the colours I suppose thats the Russian Su-25 and not the Ukranian one

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    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:28 am

    I think it's Russian

    Below is a presentation of Ukroboronservis (Ukr. company) on the Su-25. Right at the bottom it lists the armament. The last line is for the R-60 AAM


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    Post  Mindstorm on Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:40 am


    Austin wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Errrm all Su-25s have an outer weapon pylon designed only to use R-60MK or R-3S or in the later upgraded models R-73 AAMs.

    AFAIK the only model variant of the Su-25 that can't carry AAMs is the Su-28 trainer used exclusively on the Kuznetsov as a carrier based trainer.
    Thanks but pictures would be good.



    SU-25 with wide mock-up selection of weapon's option ,among which R-77 and R-73, (from 49:18)





    At 50:53 you can easily see how it is even totally unnecessary to employ a specialized AAM to down a slow ,cumbersome aircraft ; in this instance a Tu-16 is engaged and destroyed at short range in tail-on aspect with a beam riding missile (ostensibly a 9М220О "Атака" or a 9К121 " Вихрь").

    The main purpose for the search of this secondary anti-air capability implemented in this class of beam-riding missiles is to assure the capability to cheaply engage targets of opportunity such as enemy CAS elements and ,even more, surveaillance and attack UAVs.



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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jul 23, 2014 12:28 pm

    I have seen downgraded models with R-3S missiles instead of R-60MK.

    (R-3S is a sidewinder look alike, R-60 is codenamed Aphid and is called AA-8 in the west.)


    in this instance a Tu-16 is engaged and destroyed at short range in tail-on aspect with a beam riding missile (ostensibly a 9М220О "Атака" or a 9К121 " Вихрь").

    That was a test of Vikhr and Shkval-M on the Su-25TM AFAIK.


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    Post  Austin on Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:53 pm

    Thank You Mindstorm , Garry and Cyberspec.

    The reason why I was asking for pictures was I was looking for evidence of it being using by Ukraine Airforce  of Su-25 using R-60MK or R-73 AAM.

    We are discussing the same issue on BRF and most people do not believe US Narrative of the incident based on past behaviour and little evidence presented and we Indians have been victim of US propoganda in the past.

    http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6747&p=1691567#p1691567


    Some one asked for  Su-25 with AAM pictures and for Ukraines I dont find any , As they say Pictures Speak a Thousand Words.

    Even though we know that these AAM was fired from Su-25

    Mindstorm I think Ukraine would have used R-73  to take out 777 , Its got the range and warhead to bring a big 777

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jul 24, 2014 3:28 am

    AAMs have a limited life on aircraft... they are rated for x amount of hours carriage before they have to be serviced and checked, so unless they are going to actually use them they most often don't carry them.

    if the aircraft was used for air patrol or air escort missions it will most likely carry an AAM... but equally unlikely will be photographed for security reasons.

    BTW who is to say it was an R-73?

    It could just as easily have been an R-60MK... it has a history of bringing down large aircraft too....

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    Post  Austin on Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:21 pm

    I think for A2A missile or Strafing by gun to happen both Su-25 and 777 has to be on level flight more or less , 777 was flying at 32 k feet and wiki says Su-25 in clean configuration cant fly above 22K feet and 16K feet with max weapons

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Jul 25, 2014 12:46 pm

    Well you have answered your own question... if the plane is flying at 32K feet then there is little chance of the Su-25 doing any strafing with its cannon.

    A missile on the other hand can climb and hit targets above the flight altitude of the launch aircraft.


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    Post  George1 on Sun Jul 27, 2014 2:53 am

    14 Brigades, Helicopter Regiments to be Established in Russian Air Force in Coming Years

    POGONOVO RANGE (Voronezh region), July 26 (RIA Novosti) – Fourteen army aviation brigades and separate helicopter regiments will be formed in the Russian Air Force in the next few years, Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Air Force said Saturday.

    "We will have 14 brigades and regiments, including 10 army aviation regiments. Our Armed Forces have 10 combined-arms armies, each army will have one helicopter regiment. There are four military districts, each district will control an aviation brigade. In total, 14 brigades and regiments," Lt. Gen. Viktor Bondarev said.

    Certain helicopter regiments will be equipped with the Ka-52, Mi-28N, Mi-8 MTV-5, Mi-8AMTSh and Mi-26. "Each regiment will have 66 helicopters, each brigade - 84-88," Bondarev said.

    The army aviation brigades and separate helicopter regiments are being formed to further develop the Armed Forces. "No army can feel confident without aviation,” Bondarev said.

    A combined-arms army and troops stationed on the territory of the military district should be supported by aviation, and such brigades must be ready to carry out strategic tasks if necessary, the commander said.

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    Post  eridan on Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:56 am

    so 660 plus 344 helicopters in combat units. plus probably some training and testing units. overall easely over 1200 helicopters for the army.

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    Post  POKL on Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:22 pm

    I can not find a good place to post it – Russian Air Force? Not really since Bel AF and Chinese AF also took part. CIS military? Not really either since China is not CIS. I had to make a choice so in the end I opted for the RuAF thread after all.

    To the point – today Aviadarts were supposed to conclude. What are the results in general and for the participating countries individually?
    Would appreciate detailed info or at least links – thx in advance.

    Looking into the future – do you think there will be participation from more air forces (maybe India, Vietnam, others) in the coming year (-s) ?

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    Post  Viktor on Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:35 pm

    Nice number  thumbsup 

    Russia’s Air Force to receive over 260 new aircraft in 2014 — deputy defense minister


    It seems that numbers have increased as far as I know + we now know number of upgraded planes/helicopters. 260+ new + 80 upgraded = 340+ new/upgraded which is a nice number  Very Happy russia 

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    Post  Firebird on Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:26 pm

    Viktor wrote:Nice number  thumbsup 

    Russia’s Air Force to receive over 260 new aircraft in 2014 — deputy defense minister


    It seems that numbers have increased as far as I know + we now know number of upgraded planes/helicopters. 260+ new + 80 upgraded = 340+ new/upgraded which is a nice number  Very Happy russia 

    260 new in 1 yr is 2600 new equiv in 10 yrs. 5200 over 20. Then considering some planes might be refitted to have a 30 yr life expectancy, we are talking pretty huge numbers when multiplied out.

    Ofcourse there is no guarantee this figure will be repeated.
    Furthermore, there will be new generation planes and copters being built over coming yrs, most notably Pak-fa, Pak da, the new Mig31 etc etc.

    So why is Russia producing/ulgrading such large numbers?

    I wonder whether the huge production is yr is anomalous, or whether there is another reason.
    Is Russia thinking there is a major need to enlarge the military  - in view of the Ukraine and potentially other places?

    Or is Russia considering a new "BRICS military architecture". Note how Russia will provide military assistance to China of all countries in building the new Nicaragua canal. Perhaps this will be repeated in other ways? I've always said that Russia could play "global bodyguard" to rival America's "global"(bent) "policeman".

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