Project 11711: "Ivan Gren" class

George1 wrote:

KomissarBojanchev wrote:What effin idiot in  the BSF wouldn't want a new modern landing ship for the fleet and thinks the ancient project 775s are enough for amphibious operation there?

i agree, and 3-4 of them would be ideal for the replacement of more old ones Project 1171 Alligator

TR1 wrote:Wow, that is some terrible circular logic, without any specifics.
What has been so "great" about it in French service? What exactly do French requirments have to do with the Russian navy, in both situation and doctrine?

Do tell how the Mistral is useful in "pacific islands (LOL)) and baltic.

Go into details how the buy has modernized Russia's propulsion building ability. Or construction tech. Wopadedo, Baltisky built have of a big steel barge. And? It could do that before.

And further Mistrals is by no means a fact at this point.

Vladimir79 wrote:

TR1 wrote:Wow, that is some terrible circular logic, without any specifics.
What has been so "great" about it in French service? What exactly do French requirments have to do with the Russian navy, in both situation and doctrine?

Do tell how the Mistral is useful in "pacific islands (LOL)) and baltic.

Go into details how the buy has modernized Russia's propulsion building ability. Or construction tech. Wopadedo, Baltisky built have of a big steel barge. And? It could do that before.

And further Mistrals is by no means a fact at this point.

Mistral is far more than a floating barge, it is a forward deployed Army Air Corps base as well as hospital and command that can go anywhere.  

In French service, the Mistral class has supported both combat and humanitarian missions numerous times. It provided air support, EVAC, SAR, heavy lift and medical missions.  It is the most useful naval ship in French service.    

It gives us the ability to threaten any neighbour who might have designs on our periphery as well as projecting force globally.  Not to mention finally give the marines the ability to conduct joint operations with distant allies.

Mistral is far and above anything we have.  Maybe we could have completed one ourselves, but it is cheaper to buy it off the French.  

We have paid $800 million already, it is a fact to that point. The experienced gained in its construction is proper process of modular shipbuilding which is something we do not do well and has both military and commercial applications.  

GarryB wrote:

What effin idiot in the BSF wouldn't want a new modern landing ship for the fleet and thinks the ancient project 775s are enough for amphibious operation there?

Why would you want to put such a large target in such a small "lake"?

They would not need Mistral for operations against Georgia... they didn't need Mistral for operations against Georgia, while against the other NATo countries in the Black Sea... which exactly can you see such a vessel actually being of military use?


(Hint- Such conflicts will be nuclear and will not require amphibious operations).

Basing two Mistrals in the Pacific and two in the Northern Fleet means access to the two main oceans on the planet including the largest, in places of importance to Russia... ie ASIA and ARCTIC.

medo wrote:

Slow progress, but I think after Mistral problems, they will speed up building.

Big_Gazza wrote:

George1 wrote:“It's pretty clear that Mr. Putin is investing a lot in terms of recapitalizing his shipyards and his naval fleet,” Joe Courtney, a member of the House Armed Services subcommittee on Sea Power, told RIA Novosti on Thursday. “Frankly that's going to be a concern of our subcommittee.”

He can take his "concern" and shove it where the sun doesn't shine...  Arrogant f#$@er...