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    Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

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    Post  Hole on Wed May 08, 2019 11:18 am

    The middle section of Gren can be used as parking area for vehicles. The crane is there to unload boats (into the water) or vehicles onto the shore.
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    Post  JohninMK on Wed May 08, 2019 11:47 am

    Hole wrote:The middle section of Gren can be used as parking area for vehicles.
    Or containers, inc those loaded with missiles etc.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed May 08, 2019 1:04 pm

    So the rear area could be just as easily used for that, but more importantly would allow more than one helo to takeoff and or land at one time greatly increasing the tempo of landing stores of forces or equipment using helos.

    The interesting thing is that they clearly have done away with the big heavy crane, so that suggests a change in strategy for landings... perhaps more helicopter mobile, or this is what they were thinking about regarding the combination of helicopter with APC/IFV...

    Certainly delivering troops to high ground positions would be risky by helo but would allow them to rapidly dominate the landing area, and with armour landing at the same time you will have plenty of accurate direct fire support too...

    Without the crane they have obviously abandoned container based missile systems, which IMHO makes sense... they might be OK for temporary use or surprise use but in this new design without a crane to dump an empty container it would completely eliminate the helicopter capacity for the ship which is too much in terms of compromise.
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    Post  hoom on Thu May 09, 2019 12:57 am

    The crane is still there, Charly015 missed it, I believe its depicted stored across the ship rather than longitudinally in IG.
    Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class - Page 24 11711_190424_01

    Edit: here's a bigger but also more blurry version
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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu May 09, 2019 1:54 am

    hoom wrote:The crane is still there, Charly015 missed it, I believe its depicted stored across the ship rather than longitudinally in IG.
    [img]http://bastion-karpenko.ru/VVT/11711_190424_01.jpg


    More likely they used different more compact crane
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    Post  GarryB on Thu May 09, 2019 3:30 am

    Storing it across the deck would block normal access to the superstructure for helicopters and to anything moved from inside the superstructure to the deck to load or unload from the helos... unless the crane is turned around and hangs out over the water during helo operations... it all seems a bit odd.
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    Post  Gazputin on Tue May 14, 2019 9:03 am

    I reckon there is a crane on each side …. of the centre hull
    and the hull is wider and a door in between the 2 cranes

    and I reckon the helicopter hangar is accessed by 20386 corvette type lift …. leaving the middle of the ships deck free for containers etc
    and access to the superstructure …. perhaps for extra choppers ie 2 chopper storage options

    that's what I'd do ….. the superstructure is probably mostly for humans … I don't see it being used for major stores

    time will tell …. this ship reminds me a lot of the direction the 20386 is going in ….
    multi-function and flexible .... is where everything is going


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    Post  Gazputin on Thu May 23, 2019 4:46 am

    there was a strange article about getting speznats on the new Gren
    anyway it said that the ship can fit 2x Ka-30s or 1x Ka-52 …
    it was a weird translation ….. most of it was going on about special forces operations … and the various boats they use and how they could be launched from the boat without resorting to using the crane

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