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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  GarryB on Wed Dec 25, 2013 9:31 pm

    Well we have to get the two french made vessels into Russian service and test them out before we can say they are any more useful than the Ivan Grens, but I suspect they will be more useful due to their increased size and multirole capabilities.

    France is an imperial power from way back so it knows a thing or two about murdering savages in their own country... just like the UK and now the US, so Russia might find such a vessel useful as it becomes a more mobile blue water Navy.  Razz 


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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  George1 on Thu Dec 26, 2013 4:16 pm

    Ivan Gren is a landing ship tank. Mistral is a landing helicopter dock. Different ships
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sun Dec 29, 2013 9:21 pm

    What effin idiot in the BSF wouldn't want a new modern landing ship for the fleet and thinks the ancient project 775s are enough for amphibious operation there?
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  George1 on Mon Dec 30, 2013 3:57 am

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:What effin idiot in  the BSF wouldn't want a new modern landing ship for the fleet and thinks the ancient project 775s are enough for amphibious operation there?

    i agree, and 3-4 of them would be ideal for the replacement of more old ones Project 1171 Alligator
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  George1 on Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:48 pm

    According to Kaliningrad shipyard "Yantar", large landing ship "Ivan Gren" Project 11711 will not be delivered to Russian Navy until 2015
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  runaway on Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:16 pm

    George1 wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:What effin idiot in  the BSF wouldn't want a new modern landing ship for the fleet and thinks the ancient project 775s are enough for amphibious operation there?

    i agree, and 3-4 of them would be ideal for the replacement of more old ones Project 1171 Alligator

    And i cant see the Mistral being " to big" for baltic or black sea either. A big landing ship with helos should be better than small landing ships with limited capabilities and in higher sea states.

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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:41 am

    What effin idiot in the BSF wouldn't want a new modern landing ship for the fleet and thinks the ancient project 775s are enough for amphibious operation there?

    Why would you want to put such a large target in such a small "lake"?

    They would not need Mistral for operations against Georgia... they didn't need Mistral for operations against Georgia, while against the other NATo countries in the Black Sea... which exactly can you see such a vessel actually being of military use?


    (Hint- Such conflicts will be nuclear and will not require amphibious operations).

    Basing two Mistrals in the Pacific and two in the Northern Fleet means access to the two main oceans on the planet including the largest, in places of importance to Russia... ie ASIA and ARCTIC.


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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  medo on Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:45 am

    Anyone know if Russia will order additional 2 Mistrals for Northern fleet?
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Wed Jan 08, 2014 6:02 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    What effin idiot in the BSF wouldn't want a new modern landing ship for the fleet and thinks the ancient project 775s are enough for amphibious operation there?

    Why would you want to put such a large target in such a small "lake"?

    They would not need Mistral for operations against Georgia... they didn't need Mistral for operations against Georgia, while against the other NATo countries in the Black Sea... which exactly can you see such a vessel actually being of military use?


    (Hint- Such conflicts will be nuclear and will not require amphibious operations).

    Basing two Mistrals in the Pacific and two in the Northern Fleet means access to the two main oceans on the planet including the largest, in places of importance to Russia... ie ASIA and ARCTIC.

    I'm talking about the ivan gren being rejected not about the mistral Rolling Eyes
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  GarryB on Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:26 am

    Anyone know if Russia will order additional 2 Mistrals for Northern fleet?

    Unless there is a fatal flaw in the design the French haven't found yet or something substantial changes in Russias policy to the arctic I think the second pair of ships will be more practical use for Russia than the ones in the Pacific guarding the Kurile islands.

    I think Russia will get a lot of good will from Pacific Island states if they plan good will visits that offer health care, but most of the islands are poor and rely on colonial support... which would be jeopardised if they start looking at Russia.

    Of course two main issues for Pacific Islands that Russia could help with are fresh water supplies and electrical power generation. The nuclear power plant ships they are developing would be very useful for most Pacific Island nations where diesel generators are the main alternative, though solar and wind power also offer potential it would have to be without spoiling the environment as wind farms will ruin the tourist business there.

    I'm talking about the ivan gren being rejected not about the mistral

    My mistake...

    Regarding the Ivan Gren, I have heard they want something with much more range and endurance so that it could be based in the BSF or the Baltic but operate over long ranges for long periods of time.

    In other words a proper ocean going vessel that could go to the med or even africa if needed.


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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  TR1 on Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:41 am

    Hmm, actual progress:

    http://www.wrk.ru/forums/attachment.php?item=381506&download=2&type=.jpg
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  George1 on Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:54 am

    TR1 wrote:Hmm, actual progress:

    http://www.wrk.ru/forums/attachment.php?item=381506&download=2&type=.jpg

    i think this kind of ships look good to complement the mistrals
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  Viktor on Sun May 11, 2014 11:44 am

    Looking good - finally  thumbsup 

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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Mon May 12, 2014 4:30 pm

    When will it be commisioned?
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  George1 on Sat Aug 02, 2014 8:03 pm

    Flyingdutchman wrote:When will it be commisioned?

    the title still says 2012 Smile

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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  Vympel on Mon Oct 13, 2014 2:34 pm

    http://itar-tass.com/spb-news/1503433

    Second Ivan Gren class landing ship to be built.
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  medo on Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:40 pm



    Slow progress, but I think after Mistral problems, they will speed up building.
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:47 pm

    medo wrote:

    Slow progress, but I think after Mistral problems, they will speed up building.

    As of now the RuNavy didn't want them in their current state, I think they're definitely waiting on the Mistral situation and how to apply modular techniques from the Mistral class to the Ivan Grens to make them more capable. So I think when things are all said and done by 2020's the Ivan Grens will be much more capable landing ships.
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  George1 on Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:41 pm

    i think also this thread's title also must change (Project 11711E "Ivan Gren"). 2012 has passed 2 years now..
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    Construction on the second project 11711 started

    Post  Viktor on Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:13 pm

    Construction on the second project 11711 started

    In Kaliningrad to the Russian Navy began to build a large landing ship "Peter Morgunov"
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  George1 on Fri Dec 05, 2014 9:16 am

    Russia Begins Work On New Landing Ship Amid US Concerns About Improvements To Russian Navy

    The Russian Navy large landing ship Yamal sets sail in the Bosphorus, on its way to the Aegean Sea, in Istanbul Sept. 13, 2014. Reuters/Murad Sezer

    The Russian navy has begun construction work on its latest landing vessel, the “Pyotr Morgunov,” in the country’s Kaliningrad Yantar shipyard, which is reportedly the only Russian dockyard situated in the southeast, in close proximity to Europe's large industrial centers.

    The “Pyotr Morgunov” landing ship is the second vessel commissioned by the Russian navy after “Ivan Gren,” which is the first ship to be built in the Yantar shipyard, Xinhua reported, adding that the “Ivan Gren” is expected to be ready by the end of 2015. The “Pyotr Morgunov” is scheduled to be delivered to the Russian navy by 2018, according to the terms of the contract. The ship will be built to carry up to 300 marines, 36 armored personnel carriers, 13 tanks and a Ka-29 helicopter, Xinhua reported.

    The latest development coincides with a statement from a member of the U.S. House of Representatives, saying that improvements to the Russian navy have been viewed with growing concern by the newly-elected U.S. Congress.

    “It's pretty clear that Mr. Putin is investing a lot in terms of recapitalizing his shipyards and his naval fleet,” Joe Courtney, a member of the House Armed Services subcommittee on Sea Power, told RIA Novosti on Thursday. “Frankly that's going to be a concern of our subcommittee.”

    According to Rob Wittman, chairman of the House Armed Services Subcommittee on Readiness, the U.S. has the world’s strongest navy, but other countries such as Russia and China are also making significant progress in strengthening their capabilities. Wittman added that the U.S. has to spend more resources on maintaining and modernizing its military forces to continue its dominant position in the sphere, RIA Novosti reported.
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  Big_Gazza on Fri Dec 05, 2014 12:02 pm

    George1 wrote:“It's pretty clear that Mr. Putin is investing a lot in terms of recapitalizing his shipyards and his naval fleet,” Joe Courtney, a member of the House Armed Services subcommittee on Sea Power, told RIA Novosti on Thursday. “Frankly that's going to be a concern of our subcommittee.”

    He can take his "concern" and shove it where the sun doesn't shine... Arrogant f#$@er...

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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  Firebird on Fri Dec 05, 2014 12:34 pm

    Wasn't the Navy unhappy with the way the doors opened on Gren, when it was landing?
    (ie leaving troops more exposed to attack).

    Could a Gren be modified to get round this issue? Or is that impossible?
    Does anyone know how the Gren is regarded now?
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  George1 on Fri Dec 05, 2014 12:37 pm

    Firebird wrote:Wasn't the Navy unhappy with the way the doors opened on Gren, when it was landing?
    (ie leaving troops more exposed to attack).

    Could a Gren be modified to get round this issue? Or is that impossible?
    Does anyone know how the Gren is regarded now?

    i have the same questions, i also wonder when the 1st ivan gren will be at last delivered to the Russian Navy
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  kvs on Fri Dec 05, 2014 11:38 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    George1 wrote:“It's pretty clear that Mr. Putin is investing a lot in terms of recapitalizing his shipyards and his naval fleet,” Joe Courtney, a member of the House Armed Services subcommittee on Sea Power, told RIA Novosti on Thursday. “Frankly that's going to be a concern of our subcommittee.”

    He can take his "concern" and shove it where the sun doesn't shine...  Arrogant f#$@er...

    The Imperial US Congress thinks it has the right to rule the world. No one other than the Empire is allowed to have a powerful army and navy.
    Russia should ignore these yaps outright. They could not bring down the USSR with all their "might" and they will not be able to bring down
    Russia. The USSR collapsed because it was an absurdity that stifled the potential of its constituent republics. Russia will not experience any
    similar collapse and that is rather obvious. But not to these verminous imperialists in the USA who think they can collapse Russia with some
    VOA, NED and military spending BS. Good luck, 'tards.


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