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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:49 pm

    Are we now going to see the IG off to join the Syrian Express?

    As to the merchant ships on that route, they are flying the Russian flag so might have Russian merchant marine crews. Anyone know?


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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  Isos on Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:52 pm

    What's wrong with leasing more Ro-ros? After all Syrian express is a logistics mission, nothing combat-worthy so no need for warships to run these supply convoys.

    Ro-ros are civilian ships. Landing ships can do logistic job and be used for combat. There are only advantages to buy more ivan gren. They can do logistic, they can replace those old ships and you don't need to buy civilian ship that are good only for syrian express. Russian navy also use its landing ships for logistic in syria.

    As an admiral I would prefere to buy ivan gren for the next 20 years than civilian ships for only syrian express.

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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  marat on Sun Jun 10, 2018 10:48 pm

    Isos wrote:
    What's wrong with leasing more Ro-ros? After all Syrian express is a logistics mission, nothing combat-worthy so no need for warships to run these supply convoys.

    Ro-ros are civilian ships. Landing ships can do logistic job and be used for combat. There are only advantages to buy more ivan gren. They can do logistic, they can replace those old ships and you don't need to buy civilian ship that are good only for syrian express. Russian navy also use its landing ships for logistic in syria.

    As an admiral I would prefere to buy ivan gren for the next 20 years than civilian ships for only syrian express.

    Civilian ships are better suited for day-to-day transport, they have better capacity and economy (as they do not have extra weight, extra crew and wasted space on weapons, heli deck and equipment) that is not related with simple transport tasks. Russian Navy need new logistic ships for both peace time and war time operations. Warships should be preserved for war tasks.

    Try to compare load of rented ships for SyEx with load of LS. Rented ships have several times more load with less crew.

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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  marat on Sun Jun 10, 2018 10:53 pm

    eehnie wrote:



    We know perfectly this people, they hate every Russian Project above 5000 tons, above the size of a Frigate, except if they are almost unarmed and are useless. The Project 11711 is key in the replacement of the fleet supplying Syria, and this is the reason to put it in the hate list.

    Like them you seems to be always in the wrong side.

    This ship will be commissioned in a few weeks, maybe days, and will reinforce the amphibious fleet of the Russian Navy.

    KiloGolf wrote:What's wrong with leasing more Ro-ros? After all Syrian express is a logistics mission, nothing combat-worthy so no need for warships to run these supply convoys.

    External ships... external crews too?

    Under your awesome proposal is allowed Russia to direct the casting of US military personel and CIA agents to be in the external crews of these Ro-ros?

    Russia do build 5000+tonns armed ships at this moment??? Enlight us please?

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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  Militarov on Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:53 am

    marat wrote:

    Under your awesome proposal is allowed Russia to direct the casting of US military personel and CIA agents to be in the external crews of these Ro-ros?

    Russia do build 5000+tonns armed ships at this moment??? Enlight us please?


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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  KiloGolf on Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:59 am

    Militarov wrote:
    marat wrote:

    Under your awesome proposal is allowed Russia to direct the casting of US military personel and CIA agents to be in the external crews of these Ro-ros?

    Russia do build 5000+tonns armed ships at this moment??? Enlight us please?


    Lider class destroyer and Shtorm carrier, almost finished as per certain people here Very Happy

    you forgot project 10101.1 'death star'



    almost finished lol1
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  Militarov on Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:09 am

    Isos wrote:
    What's wrong with leasing more Ro-ros? After all Syrian express is a logistics mission, nothing combat-worthy so no need for warships to run these supply convoys.

    Ro-ros are civilian ships. Landing ships can do logistic job and be used for combat. There are only advantages to buy more ivan gren. They can do logistic, they can replace those old ships and you don't need to buy civilian ship that are good only for syrian express. Russian navy also use its landing ships for logistic in syria.

    As an admiral I would prefere to buy ivan gren for the next 20 years than civilian ships for only syrian express.

    Ro-Ros are far more efficient in pure transport roles. No wasted weight, everything is made to maximise load and make living quarters for the crew good, lower operational costs, often more efficient engines...

    Many navies operate ships build by civilian standards, hell even Mistral is based on such.
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  Big_Gazza on Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:39 am

    Ro-Ros are fine, IF you are simply transporting equipment and have a nice friendly port facility to receive your cargo, but the IG is an amphibious assault ship, designed to land on defended beaches as part of a taskforce, either landing vehicles/troops directly by beaching and using bow ramp, or via her onboard fast landing craft thru the stern loading bay. She also carries a Ka-27/32 helo, and has CIWS. In essence, they are smaller replacements for the Soviet-era Ivan Rogovs.

    All in all, the IGs will prove to be a useful addition to the (aging) Russian amphibious assault capability. She ain't no USN assault carrier, but that was never the intention.

    Now can we pls desist with the endless childish BS? Its becoming rather tedious....

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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  hoom on Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:01 am

    They've been using Ropuchas in Syria Express so I'd not be surprised to see IG doing it too.
    Good way to work up the crew experience in loading/unloading.
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  eehnie on Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:45 pm

    Project 11711
    Project 22350
    Project 23560
    Project 23000
    Project 11435
    Project 956
    ...

    With all, future or present, always the same...

    And the people still pretend to be pro-Russian...
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:07 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:Ro-Ros are fine, IF you are simply transporting equipment and have a nice friendly port facility to receive your cargo, but the IG is an amphibious assault ship, designed to land on defended beaches as part of a taskforce, either landing vehicles/troops directly by beaching and using bow ramp, or via her onboard fast landing craft thru the stern loading bay. She also carries a Ka-27/32 helo, and has CIWS. In essence, they are smaller replacements for the Soviet-era Ivan Rogovs.

    All in all, the IGs will prove to be a useful addition to the (aging) Russian amphibious assault capability.  She ain't no USN assault carrier, but that was never the intention.

    Now can we pls desist with the endless childish BS?  Its becoming rather tedious....

    A single duet is not enough to stay safe on "defended" beaches. The designers are retards for not putting at least a Gibka launcher.
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:41 am

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:Ro-Ros are fine, IF you are simply transporting equipment and have a nice friendly port facility to receive your cargo, but the IG is an amphibious assault ship, designed to land on defended beaches as part of a taskforce, either landing vehicles/troops directly by beaching and using bow ramp, or via her onboard fast landing craft thru the stern loading bay. She also carries a Ka-27/32 helo, and has CIWS. In essence, they are smaller replacements for the Soviet-era Ivan Rogovs.

    All in all, the IGs will prove to be a useful addition to the (aging) Russian amphibious assault capability.  She ain't no USN assault carrier, but that was never the intention.

    Now can we pls desist with the endless childish BS?  Its becoming rather tedious....

    A single duet is not enough to stay safe on "defended" beaches. The designers are retards for not putting at least a Gibka launcher.

    2 landing ships aren't going to change anything Russia could need to produce a lot more of two of these to make a noticeable difference.

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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  walle83 on Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:10 am

    Its very puzzeling how it can take Russia 14 years to get a landing ship ready for service.

    If u compare this for exampel to the Chines Type-72A landing ship. A class very simular in capabilities and dimensions. Since 2003 a total of 15 ships has enterd service.

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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  marat on Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:53 am

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:
    A single duet is not enough to stay safe on "defended" beaches. The designers are retards for not putting at least a Gibka launcher.

    So with gibka they woulb be safe???
    This is landing ship, not AD Destroyer. Her task is to land troops not to provide AD to them.

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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  marat on Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:58 am

    walle83 wrote:Its very puzzeling how it can take Russia 14 years to get a landing ship ready for service.

    If u compare this for exampel to the Chines Type-72A landing ship. A class very simular in capabilities and dimensions. Since 2003 a total of 15 ships has enterd service.

    Why do you hate Russia???? Hater....


    PS it is not welcomed on this forum to put any critic on building rates of Russian navy, if you do so that mean, not that you are sane person who is aware how long usually take to build the ship, but that you are hater that you hate Russia.
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  Big_Gazza on Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:09 pm

    walle83 wrote:Its very puzzeling how it can take Russia 14 years to get a landing ship ready for service.

    Its called circumstances and changing priorities... read up about it and cut the BS...

    That goes for you as well marat... people like you just can't help picking at scabs...
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  eehnie on Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:58 pm

    marat wrote:
    walle83 wrote:Its very puzzeling how it can take Russia 14 years to get a landing ship ready for service.

    If u compare this for exampel to the Chines Type-72A landing ship. A class very simular in capabilities and dimensions. Since 2003 a total of 15 ships has enterd service.

    Why do you hate Russia???? Hater....


    PS it is not welcomed on this forum to put any critic on building rates of Russian navy, if you do so that mean, not that you are sane person who is aware how long usually take to build the ship, but that you are hater that you hate Russia.

    A fair critic, right or wrong, at least keeps the respect toward the country and the Russian Navy.

    You have hard time defending the presence of respect toward Russia and its Navy in many of the comments above.

    The hate to the Russian combat ships above 5000 tons is evident in this and many other topics. Present and future ships have the hate, specially if they are well armed and combat capable.

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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  walle83 on Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:22 am

    marat wrote:
    walle83 wrote:Its very puzzeling how it can take Russia 14 years to get a landing ship ready for service.

    If u compare this for exampel to the Chines Type-72A landing ship. A class very simular in capabilities and dimensions. Since 2003 a total of 15 ships has enterd service.

    Why do you hate Russia???? Hater....


    PS it is not welcomed on this forum to put any critic on building rates of Russian navy, if you do so that mean, not that you are sane person who is aware how long usually take to build the ship, but that you are hater that you hate Russia.

    Haha nice one, thx.

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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  walle83 on Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:29 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    walle83 wrote:Its very puzzeling how it can take Russia 14 years to get a landing ship ready for service.

    Its called circumstances and changing priorities...  read up about it and cut the BS...

    That goes for you as well marat...  people like you just can't help picking at scabs...

    Im well aware of the history of the Ivan Gren, with that said im still stunned how long this project has been going on.
    I think i was the person that actually started the article about the Ivan Gren on the english wikipedia back in 2009.......9 years ago lol!

    Edit: by the way here is the drawing of the class i created back in 2009. Copywright owner thumbsup
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  LMFS on Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:33 pm

    So, finally, it is official:

    Russian Navy accepts cutting-edge amphibious assault ship for service

    The Ivan Gren is the first amphibious assault ship designed and built in Russia’s modern history

    KALININGRAD, June 20. /TASS/. The large amphibious assault ship Ivan Gren has been accepted for service in the Russian Navy in an official ceremony of hoisting the St. Andrew’s flag aboard the warship, TASS reports from the scene.

    The Ivan Gren is the first amphibious assault ship designed and built in Russia’s modern history. The Ivan Gren is the Project 11711 lead ship designed by the Nevskoye Design Bureau. The work on the warship lasted over 20 years due to numerous readjustments to meet the Russian Navy’s requirements.

    After an order of the Russian Navy’s commander-in-chief was read out on assigning the Ivan Gren to the 121st brigade of the Kola Flotilla warships, Navy Deputy Commander-in-Chief Vice-Admiral Viktor Bursuk handed over the St. Andrew’s flag to the ship’s commander. The warship’s crew vowed never to haul down the flag before the enemy, after which it was hoisted aboard the combat vessel.

    The Project 11711 large amphibious assault lead ship Ivan Gren was developed by the Nevskoye Design Bureau in St. Petersburg in northwest Russia. It was laid down by the Yantar Shipyard in Kaliningrad in west Russia in December 2004 and launched in May 2012. Its sea trials began in June 2016.

    On November 30, 2017, the large amphibious assault ship Ivan Gren started undergoing state trials in the Baltic Sea. The Ivan Gren is expected to join Russia’s Northern Fleet.

    The Yantar Shipyard is building another Project 11711 warship, the Pyotr Morgunov, which is expected to be delivered to the Russian Navy in late 2018.

    The Ivan Gren can carry 13 main battle tanks or 36 armored personnel carriers (infantry fighting vehicles) and up to 300 marines. The amphibious assault ship can also transport a reinforced marine infantry company with organic military hardware and land it with the use of pontoons.

    The amphibious assault ship Ivan Gren is armed with 30mm six-barrel artillery systems and two Kamov Ka-29 transport/attack helicopters in its deck hangars.


    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/1010313
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  George1 on Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:41 pm

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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  eehnie on Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:41 pm

    One step forward for Russia.  Russia gets the things done. thumbsup

    Amphibious ships of this size proved to be very useful in the operation of Syria. Despite recently the focus on amphibious ships has been more centered on larger helicopter carriers, I would not rule out more orders of this Project. Betwen potential new orders of ships of the:

    Project 11711
    Project 20180/20181/20183
    Project 20360

    the amphibious ship can have advantage over the auxiliary ships, taking into account the nature of the loads delivered. As military concept an amphibious ship is a cargo ship with improved capabilities for the own defense and for landing outside well provided ports, that are useful for military purposes.
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:17 pm

    LMFS wrote:So, finally, it is official:

    Russian Navy accepts cutting-edge amphibious assault ship for service


    lol1 lol1 lol1
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:18 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    LMFS wrote:So, finally, it is official:
    Russian Navy accepts cutting-edge amphibious assault ship for service

    lol1 lol1 lol1

    Oh c'mon dude, you forgot best part:

    eehnie wrote:One step forward for Russia. Russia gets the things done. thumbsup


    Time to put Gagarin in space: 5 years

    Time to put Armstrong on the Moon: 9 years

    Time to build shitty ass transport ship: 14 years

    ''One step forward for Russia. Russia gets the things done'' lol1
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  Isos on Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:58 pm

    Time to put Armstrong on the Moon: 9 years

    You mean "send him in hollywood" lol1

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