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    Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  medo on Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:06 pm

    marat wrote:Or maybee i have misunderstood this paragraph>

    "Иван Грен" - головной корабль проекта 11711, разработанного в ОАО "Невское проектно-конструкторское бюро". Он был заложен в декабре 2004 года, спущен на воду в мае 2012-го, заводские ходовые испытания начались в июне 2016 года. "Петр Моргунов" станет вторым кораблем этого проекта, который построит "Янтарь". Он должен быть передан флоту в 2018 году.

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    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4313765

    Maybee Morgunov should be delivered on 2018? I do not know Russian dunno

    It actualy is readable as Morgunov will be delivered in 2018, but I think this is lapsus and Gren will be delivered in 2018.
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  Russian Patriot on Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:12 am

    Old video but not in thread
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  hoom on Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:58 am

    Lol I love how they used a butchered model of a Spruance class... russia
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  TheArmenian on Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:12 am

    A teaser from me to those of you who hate this ship:

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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  hoom on Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:30 pm

    Flying the Naval cross, that means in service doesn't it!
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  TheArmenian on Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:42 pm

    hoom wrote:Flying the Naval cross, that means in service doesn't it!

    Congratulations. respekt

    For all intents and purposes, it is in service.
    It just did not get a ceremony. Maybe they will do one on Navy Day (Sunday).
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  KiloGolf on Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:13 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:A teaser from me to those of you who hate this ship:




    lol1 lol1 lol1
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  Isos on Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:54 pm

    It looks like german frigates lol1 lol1

    I don't undersstand why so many hate that ship. It's not bad hen you compare to previous class. And it's not meant to be a helicopter carrier like Mistrals. Having 10 of these would be nice for naval infantry and landing troops. Pretty big, stealth, one helicopter. What do you want more ?
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:11 pm

    Isos wrote:It looks like german frigates lol1 lol1

    I don't undersstand why so many hate that ship. It's not bad hen you compare to previous class. And it's not meant to be a helicopter carrier like Mistrals. Having 10 of these would be nice for naval infantry and landing troops. Pretty big, stealth, one helicopter. What do you want more ?

    Ship itself is not the problem, it's build time plus the fact that they stopped and restarted project several times 

    Again, not ship's fault

    Basically it dragged on for 20 years and they should be building new class now instead of just finishing first one from the old class
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  Militarov on Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:44 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:A teaser from me to those of you who hate this ship:




    lol1 lol1 lol1

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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  Militarov on Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:46 pm

    Isos wrote:It looks like german frigates lol1 lol1

    I don't undersstand why so many hate that ship. It's not bad hen you compare to previous class. And it's not meant to be a helicopter carrier like Mistrals. Having 10 of these would be nice for naval infantry and landing troops. Pretty big, stealth, one helicopter. What do you want more ?

    Outdated as concept, that is the problem. Future ships of the class would require major reworks to fit current naval doctrine, so its alot easier to just finish two existing hulls and proceed with another projects instead.
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  Benya on Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:03 pm

    Militarov wrote:Outdated as concept, that is the problem. Future ships of the class would require major reworks to fit current naval doctrine, so its alot easier to just finish two existing hulls and proceed with another projects instead.

    It is, but it could serve as a basis of a future class of landing ships. Ropucha-class LSTs will likely to be phased out by 2030, and they will need a replacement. If they will expand Naval Infantry, and/or they will establish more bases in the Arctic, there will be an increasing need for such ships.
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:13 pm

    The end times are UPON us! the 1st sign of the apocalypse has shown it's self!
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  Isos on Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:15 pm

    Militarov wrote:Outdated as concept, that is the problem. Future ships of the class would require major reworks to fit current naval doctrine, so its alot easier to just finish two existing hulls and proceed with another projects instead.


    Why is it an outdated concept ? Do you mean that these sort of landing ships should be replaced with LHD or just this class is badly designed and should be redigned ?

    And what is the new naval doctrine ? Can you develop ?
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jul 29, 2017 12:54 am

    In the last iteration these ships were supposed to serve as supplements for Mistrals

    But after that went down they cancelled rest of them and decided to finish two that were laid down

    Well now with Tartus is open for business properly these two ships will find their purpose shuttling stuff between Novorosiysk and Tartus

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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  miroslav on Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:31 am

    Isos wrote:
    Militarov wrote:Outdated as concept, that is the problem. Future ships of the class would require major reworks to fit current naval doctrine, so its alot easier to just finish two existing hulls and proceed with another projects instead.


    Why is it an outdated concept ? Do you mean that these sort of landing ships should be replaced with LHD or just this class is badly designed and should be redigned ?  

    And what is the new naval doctrine ? Can you develop ?

    I think that it's wrong to call the ship outdated, why. As it was mentioned before and as it is quite obvious this is a 120m long ship not a 200-250m long universal amphibious assault monster. Sure, I would like to see a 100 mm gun on the front and a close in air defense systems based on missiles (or a combined module) but it's still ok, it has the "Grad" like launchers for land targets, two helicopters and a big loading crane.

    Basically you are saying that only a 200m long ship can be of any use to the naval infantry.


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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  miroslav on Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:32 am

    Isos wrote:
    Militarov wrote:Outdated as concept, that is the problem. Future ships of the class would require major reworks to fit current naval doctrine, so its alot easier to just finish two existing hulls and proceed with another projects instead.


    Why is it an outdated concept ? Do you mean that these sort of landing ships should be replaced with LHD or just this class is badly designed and should be redigned ?  

    And what is the new naval doctrine ? Can you develop ?

    I think that it's wrong to call the ship outdated, why. As it was mentioned before and as it is quite obvious this is a 120m long ship not a 200-250m long universal amphibious assault monster. Sure, I would like to see a 100 mm gun on the front and a close in air defense systems based on missiles (or a combined module) but it's still ok, it has the "Grad" like launchers for land targets, two helicopters and a big loading crane.

    Basically you are saying that only a 200m long ship can be of any use to the naval infantry.
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  George1 on Sun Oct 08, 2017 4:20 am

    First Pr.11711 landing ship Ivan Gren undergoing trials in the Baltic Sea.



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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Oct 08, 2017 4:56 pm

    George1 wrote:First Pr.11711 landing ship Ivan Gren undergoing trials in the Baltic Sea.


    When are they inducting it? This year?
    Can't see any flags here.
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:00 pm

    Buy the time this thing passes trials second one will be assembled and launched

    What the hell are testing that requires this much time, it's a glorified cargo ship FFS
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:47 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:Buy the time this thing passes trials second one will be assembled and launched

    What the hell are testing that requires this much time, it's a glorified cargo ship FFS

    Plasma stealth lol1
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  Big_Gazza on Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:02 am

    PapaDragon wrote:Buy the time this thing passes trials second one will be assembled and launched

    What the hell are testing that requires this much time, it's a glorified cargo ship FFS

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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  George1 Yesterday at 6:11 am

    The large assault ship "Ivan Gren" tested the artillery system during the factory tests

    The next stage of the program will be artillery shooting on a sea target-stand and a model of a floating sea mine

    KALININGRAD, October 21. / TASS /. The crew of the large assault ship "Ivan Grin", which is at the factory road trials in the Baltic Sea, fired small artillery complexes AK-630m, the official representative of the Baltic Fleet Roman Martov said.



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