Military Forum for Russian and Global Defence Issues


    Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Share
    avatar
    George1

    Posts : 10362
    Points : 10833
    Join date : 2011-12-22
    Location : Greece

    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  George1 on Tue Nov 01, 2016 8:38 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:Plant "Yantar" will deposit the Defense Ministry by the year 2012 the ship "Ivan Gren"

    "Subsequently, the work on its saturation and installing add-ins. In accordance with the schedule of the descent of the ship on the water must occur at the end of 2011. And in 2012, Ivan Gren will be transferred to the customer," - added the representative of the company.

    He clarified that the head BDK Project 11711 was laid on the Yantar in December 2004 to order the Defense Ministry.

    Twisted Evil


    _________________
    "There's no smoke without fire.", Georgy Zhukov

    avatar
    George1

    Posts : 10362
    Points : 10833
    Join date : 2011-12-22
    Location : Greece

    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  George1 on Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:39 am

    "Ivan Gren" will be released in the spring το the sea for the next phase of tests


    _________________
    "There's no smoke without fire.", Georgy Zhukov

    avatar
    KiloGolf

    Posts : 2002
    Points : 2022
    Join date : 2015-09-01
    Location : Macedonia, Hellas

    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  KiloGolf on Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:59 pm

    George1 wrote:"Ivan Gren" will be released in the spring το the sea for the next phase of tests

    OMG it's been half a year since June. FFS angry
    avatar
    Militarov

    Posts : 5537
    Points : 5578
    Join date : 2015-09-02
    Location : Serbia

    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  Militarov on Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:17 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    George1 wrote:"Ivan Gren" will be released in the spring το the sea for the next phase of tests

    OMG it's been half a year since June. FFS angry

    As one friend of mine said, USS Starship Enterprise and Ivan Gren will be comissioned to servce at the same time Very Happy
    avatar
    GarryB

    Posts : 16398
    Points : 17011
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  GarryB on Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:51 am

    George1 wrote:"Ivan Gren" will be released in the spring το the sea for the next phase of tests

    Whoops... I don't read Russian but the article talks about Project 18280... a spy ship totally unrelated to Ivan Gren.

    OMG it's been half a year since June. FFS

    And who is to say it did not get to sea and complete its tests on time?

    This article has nothing to do with Ivan Gren or any landing ship type...

    https://translate.yandex.by/web?url=https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150702/1109079566.html

    As one friend of mine said, USS Starship Enterprise and Ivan Gren will be comissioned to servce at the same time

    Has anyone actually even read the link posted?

    As one friend of mine said when it comes to the arguments of pessimists never let the facts get in the way of a good story... Razz


    _________________
    “The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion […] but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.”

    ― Samuel P. Huntington, The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order
    avatar
    Benya

    Posts : 521
    Points : 525
    Join date : 2016-06-05
    Location : Budapest, Hungary

    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  Benya on Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:21 pm

    Russian Navy Landing Ship Ivan Gren LST to continue builders’ trials in spring

    Russia’s Project 11711 large amphibious assault ship Ivan Gren will go to sea in the spring of 2017 to continue its shipbuilders’ trials, Yantar Shipyard spokesman Sergei Mikhailov said in an interview with RIA Novosti news agency. "Work on the ship is currently under way. The necessity of the work was revealed during the first stage of its trials," Mikhailov said.


    Russia’s Project 11711 large amphibious assault ship Ivan Gren at sea for the first time
    Picture taken on 06.25.2016. Source: RoyalJib / forums.airbase.ru

    "As soon as the work is completed, the ship Ivan Gren will continue its shipbuilders’ sea trials. Their success will be crucial," he added.

    In accordance with the renewed program, the ship is expected to be delivered to Russia’s Navy in 2017. The Project 11711 large amphibious assault ship Ivan Gren is designed to land marines on a coastal area seized by the enemy and transport military hardware and equipment. The ship can carry 13 tanks or 36 armored personnel carriers. Instead of marines, it can transport 1,500 tons of cargo. The ship can carry one or two Kamov Ka-29 (NATO reporting name: Helix-B) troop lift helicopters. It may carry the Ka-52K (Hokum-B) shipborne rotorcraft as well.

    The ship Ivan Gren is armed with two 122mm A-215 20-round rocket launchers, the Igla (SA-18 Grouse) man-portable surface-to-air missile system, the 100mm A-190 gun and the 30mm AK-630M small-caliber antiaircraft artillery system.

    The ship has a displacement of 5,000 tons, a length of 120 meters, a width of 16.5 meters, a speed of 18 knots and cruising capacity of 30 days. The ship’s crew totals 100.

    ©️ Copyright 2016 TASS. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

    Comment by Navy Recognition

    Sea trials were put on hold in October 2016 after problems surfaced with the degaussing system. A Yantar representative said at the time: "At the initial stage mistakes were made in calculating the magnetic field of the warship and now it is necessary to adjust the degaussing system,"

    The Ivan Gren large landing ship had its keel laid in December 2004 and was floated in May 2012. Factory tests began in the second half of June 2016. The warship was set to be handed over to the Russian Navy by the end of 2016. The defense ministry ordered Yantar to build yet another warship of the project - the Petr Morgunov. It has to be passed on to the Navy in 2018.

    Source: Arrow http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/january-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/4804-russian-navy-landing-ship-ivan-gren-lst-to-continue-builders-trials-in-spring.html



    So that's why they postponed the trials.
    avatar
    George1

    Posts : 10362
    Points : 10833
    Join date : 2011-12-22
    Location : Greece

    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  George1 on Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:45 pm

    Russian Navy to receive amphibious assault ship Ivan Gren in autumn

    Project 11711 warships are designed to land marines on a coastal area seized by the enemy and transport military hardware and equipment

    MOSCOW, January 25. /TASS/. The Project 11711 amphibious assault lead ship Ivan Gren will be delivered to the Russian Navy no sooner than November, President of Russia’s United Ship-Building Corporation Alexei Rakhmanov said on Wednesday.

    "Perhaps, this will happen no sooner than November because quite a complex problem has surfaced with the degaussing system, on which work is currently under way, and we’ll be able to finish this work," Rakhmanov said.

    The most important thing now is that scientists should confirm the accuracy of calculations so that "we do not have to slash it again" subsequently, he said.

    "Unfortunately, the Ivan Gren has had such a hard fate: the ship has been under construction for almost 14 years, and not even an enterprise within the United Ship-Building Corporation began to build it, and over this time the technical requirements for the vessel have changed three times," Rakhmanov said.

    The Project 11711 large amphibious assault lead ship Ivan Gren was laid down at the Yantar Shipyard in Kaliningrad in December 2004 and put afloat in May 2012.

    The ship started undergoing sea trials in June 2016. On order from Russia’s Defense Ministry, the Yantar Shipyard will build another ship of this class, Pyotr Morgunov, which is expected to be delivered to the Navy in 2018.

    Project 11711 warships are designed to land marines on a coastal area seized by the enemy and transport military hardware and equipment. The warship can carry 13 tanks or 36 armored personnel carriers, and also up to 300 marines. The amphibious assault ship Ivan Gren is armed with three 30mm six-barrel artillery systems and two Kamov Ka-29 transport and combat helicopters.

    The ship has a displacement of 5,000 tons, a length of 120 meters, a width of 16.5 meters, a speed of 18 knots and a cruising capacity of 30 days.


    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/927308


    _________________
    "There's no smoke without fire.", Georgy Zhukov

    avatar
    Militarov

    Posts : 5537
    Points : 5578
    Join date : 2015-09-02
    Location : Serbia

    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  Militarov on Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:49 pm

    "Russian Navy to receive amphibious assault ship Ivan Gren in autumn" - which year Very Happy
    avatar
    KiloGolf

    Posts : 2002
    Points : 2022
    Join date : 2015-09-01
    Location : Macedonia, Hellas

    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:53 pm

    Now Spring became Autumn affraid

    avatar
    Militarov

    Posts : 5537
    Points : 5578
    Join date : 2015-09-02
    Location : Serbia

    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  Militarov on Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:58 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:Now Spring became Autumn  affraid

    I belive actually latest "spring" was related to shipyard trials, which were not completed last time as defects were found during...well... first days of trials. After that it needs to complete state naval trials. However i remember this whole saga back in time when it was supposed to be delivered by the spring of 2009....
    avatar
    George1

    Posts : 10362
    Points : 10833
    Join date : 2011-12-22
    Location : Greece

    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  George1 on Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:59 pm

    No sooner than November means 2018. This ship was laid down in 2004. Almost 1.5 decade for its completion


    _________________
    "There's no smoke without fire.", Georgy Zhukov

    avatar
    SeigSoloyvov

    Posts : 574
    Points : 578
    Join date : 2016-04-08

    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:12 pm

    George1 wrote:No sooner than November means 2018. This ship was laid down in 2004. Almost 1.5 decade for its completion

    I hope it's not 2018 this is a landing ship.....

    Honesroc

    Posts : 68
    Points : 70
    Join date : 2014-11-01

    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  Honesroc on Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:37 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    George1 wrote:No sooner than November means 2018. This ship was laid down in 2004. Almost 1.5 decade for its completion

    I hope it's not 2018 this is a landing ship.....

    "Autumn" historically means Spring of the following year. Meh, this ship won't "make" their Navy. I hope people aren't losing sleep over this...
    avatar
    GarryB

    Posts : 16398
    Points : 17011
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  GarryB on Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:40 am

    Meh, this ship won't "make" their Navy. I hope people aren't losing sleep over this...

    It gives the usual trolls a massive hard on here, but otherwise it is no big deal... it is what it is...


    _________________
    “The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion […] but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.”

    ― Samuel P. Huntington, The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order
    avatar
    George1

    Posts : 10362
    Points : 10833
    Join date : 2011-12-22
    Location : Greece

    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  George1 on Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:43 am

    Sea trials of Russia’s large amphibious assault ship to start in June

    The trials of the Ivan Gren were interrupted over problems with its degaussing system

    KALININGRAD, April 11. /TASS/. The sea trials of the large amphibious assault ship Ivan Gren interrupted over problems with its degaussing system will restart in June this year, Project Management Director at the Yantar Shipyard Roman Fedyunin said on Tuesday.

    "The Ivan Gren, like the [frigate] Admiral Makarov, is set to take part in the parade on the occasion of Russia’s Navy Day in St. Petersburg on July 30. In view of this, the shipyard has prepared a specified schedule of trials in order to resume them in June. We understand that we’ll have to do everything within quite a short period of time and, of course, the warship’s participation in the parade will noticeably influence the pace of works. But we must deliver the warship this year," the shipyard’s newspaper Vperyod quoted Fedyunin as saying.

    "Our proposal will be shortly examined in the Defense Ministry and we hope for a positive result," he added.

    The sea trials of the large amphibious ship Ivan Gren were suspended in late October 2016 over problems with its degaussing system and the warship had to return to the shipyard.

    The Project 11711 large amphibious assault lead ship Ivan Gren was laid down at the Yantar Shipyard in Kaliningrad in December 2004 and put afloat in May 2012.

    The warship started undergoing sea trials in June 2016. On order from Russia’s Defense Ministry, the Yantar Shipyard will build another warship of this class, Pyotr Morgunov, which is expected to be delivered to the Navy in 2018.

    Project 11711 warships are designed to land marines on a coastal area seized by the enemy and transport military hardware and equipment. The warship can carry 13 tanks or 36 armored personnel carriers, and also up to 300 marines. The amphibious assault ship Ivan Gren is armed with three 30mm six-barrel artillery systems and two Kamov Ka-29 transport and combat helicopters.

    The warship has a displacement of 5,000 tonnes, a length of 120 meters, a width of 16.5 meters, a speed of 18 knots and a cruising capacity of 30 days.


    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/940792


    _________________
    "There's no smoke without fire.", Georgy Zhukov

    avatar
    hoom

    Posts : 571
    Points : 571
    Join date : 2016-05-06

    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  hoom on Fri May 05, 2017 2:11 pm

    Some pics via http://charly015.blogspot.co.nz/2017/05/unas-fotos-del-lst-ivan-gren.html (but pretty sure same are at various other places too)



    Its quite an odd duck really Suspect
    From some angles quite rackish & business, from others it looks disproportioned & weird.

    marat

    Posts : 155
    Points : 157
    Join date : 2015-04-26

    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  marat on Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:23 pm

    June is here, are testing of Ivan Gren restarted?

    And what is situation regardin 2nd ship- Morgunov?
    avatar
    KiloGolf

    Posts : 2002
    Points : 2022
    Join date : 2015-09-01
    Location : Macedonia, Hellas

    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:30 pm

    hoom wrote:
    Its quite an odd duck really Suspect
    From some angles quite rackish & business, from others it looks disproportioned & weird.

    It's a horrible design. The sooner RuN starts building LPDs and LHDs the better.
    avatar
    PapaDragon

    Posts : 5306
    Points : 5412
    Join date : 2015-04-26
    Location : Fort Evil, Serbia

    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:23 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:.......
    It's a horrible design. The sooner RuN starts building LPDs and LHDs the better.

    Obsolete definitely. They need to move on ASAP.

    Still, not completing them now would be wasteful regardless of how crappy design is. New ship is still a new ship.

    I'd say that Navy is perfectly aware of deficiencies​ and slow pace is result of whole thing being on the back burner with bare minimum of effort, time and resources put into it.

    When it's done it's done. They will suffice for hauling loads in the Black Sea.
    avatar
    KiloGolf

    Posts : 2002
    Points : 2022
    Join date : 2015-09-01
    Location : Macedonia, Hellas

    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:53 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:.......
    It's a horrible design. The sooner RuN starts building LPDs and LHDs the better.

    Obsolete definitely. They need to move on ASAP.

    Still, not completing them now would be wasteful regardless of how crappy design is. New ship is still a new ship.

    I'd say that Navy is perfectly aware of deficiencies​ and slow pace is result of whole thing being on the back burner with bare minimum of effort, time and resources put into it.

    When it's done it's done. They will suffice for hauling loads in the Black Sea.

    If they use this LST as as some sort of SOF CB90/RHIB mother ship they may be on to something. But the design let them down, the hangar can't fit an Mi-8-sized chopper and I doubt if the helipad could take one too...
    avatar
    Isos

    Posts : 795
    Points : 795
    Join date : 2015-11-06

    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  Isos on Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:02 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:.......
    It's a horrible design. The sooner RuN starts building LPDs and LHDs the better.

    Obsolete definitely. They need to move on ASAP.

    Still, not completing them now would be wasteful regardless of how crappy design is. New ship is still a new ship.

    I'd say that Navy is perfectly aware of deficiencies​ and slow pace is result of whole thing being on the back burner with bare minimum of effort, time and resources put into it.

    When it's done it's done. They will suffice for hauling loads in the Black Sea.

    If they use this LST as as some sort of SOF CB90/RHIB mother ship they may be on to something. But the design let them down, the hangar can't fit an Mi-8-sized chopper and I doubt if the helipad could take one too...

    Can it fit some small fast attack craft/drone armed with AShM for high sea deployment ?

    marat

    Posts : 155
    Points : 157
    Join date : 2015-04-26

    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  marat on Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:27 pm

    Tests are resumed>
    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4313765

    Delivery is postpned to 2018.
    avatar
    KiloGolf

    Posts : 2002
    Points : 2022
    Join date : 2015-09-01
    Location : Macedonia, Hellas

    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Jun 07, 2017 5:01 pm

    Isos wrote:Can it fit some small fast attack craft/drone armed with AShM for high sea deployment ?

    That CB-90 copy of theirs could do that. I believe the Swedes could fit their own AShM (Hellfire equivalent) on them boats.

    marat wrote:Tests are resumed>
    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4313765

    Delivery is postpned to 2018.

    lol1  lol1  lol1

    Damn son!
    avatar
    Militarov

    Posts : 5537
    Points : 5578
    Join date : 2015-09-02
    Location : Serbia

    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  Militarov on Wed Jun 07, 2017 5:41 pm

    marat wrote:Tests are resumed>
    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4313765

    Delivery is postpned to 2018.
    Suspect

    marat

    Posts : 155
    Points : 157
    Join date : 2015-04-26

    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  marat on Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:53 pm

    Or maybee i have misunderstood this paragraph>

    "Иван Грен" - головной корабль проекта 11711, разработанного в ОАО "Невское проектно-конструкторское бюро". Он был заложен в декабре 2004 года, спущен на воду в мае 2012-го, заводские ходовые испытания начались в июне 2016 года. "Петр Моргунов" станет вторым кораблем этого проекта, который построит "Янтарь". Он должен быть передан флоту в 2018 году.

    Подробнее на ТАСС:
    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4313765

    Maybee Morgunov should be delivered on 2018? I do not know Russian dunno

    Sponsored content

    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  Sponsored content


      Current date/time is Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:51 pm