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    Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  medo on Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:42 am

    http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/76613/

    With reconstruction and modernization of Zaliv shipyard in Crimea, RuNAVY could build Priboy ships for Black Sea Fleet in Zaliv shipyard. Smaller Priboys will serve well in Baltic and Black Sea fleets, while larger Lavina will be better for ocean going Northern and Pacific fleets. For Pacific fleets I am sure new Lavinas and aircraft carriers will be build in new large Zvezda Shipyard in Vladivostok, but I'm not sure which shipyard will produce them for Northern fleet.

    Anyway, two Priboy ships bring same capacities as one Mistral in both, with number of helicopters and in troops and equipment capacities, so they are well suitable for the fleet like in the Black Sea. Building four of them for Black Sea fleet would also bring strong Russian presence in Mediterranean Sea and with similar number in the Baltic, they will have enough of them for constant rotations. The best support for them are Buyan-M corvettes, which are actually now a new class of land attack cruise missiles corvettes, which could be armed with conventional or with nuclear warheads. For anti-ship operations, they will have other corvettes.
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Apr 17, 2016 2:22 pm

    marat wrote:Thank you.
    So at this point we do not know when will start production of those new ships

    Well my guess would be that Priboy should start right after 2nd Ivan Gren is floated out of the dock. That shipyard was already building landing ships so it would make sense to just continue at the same place.

    And like medo said, it would be smart move to build them at more than one shipyard.
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Apr 19, 2016 7:28 pm


    Ivan Gren to be delivered to Navy by October 2016

    http://flotprom.ru/2016/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B073/
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  George1 on Tue Apr 19, 2016 11:47 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Ivan Gren to be delivered to Navy by October 2016

    http://flotprom.ru/2016/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B073/

    another delay..


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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  George1 on Sat Jun 18, 2016 4:38 pm

    Large landing ship "Ivan Gren" moved to Baltiysk

    As reported, in the morning June 17, 2016 to complete the construction of the JSC "Baltic Shipyard" Yantar "(Kaliningrad) head a large amphibious ship "Ivan Gren" project 11711 passed in Baltiysk for the subsequent first exit at sea to factory sea trials.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1969352.html



    Nice it seems we are near to the delivery


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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:38 am

    My my finally the day is nearly upon us
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:59 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:My my finally the day is nearly upon us

    shhh don't jinx it lol1
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  George1 on Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:37 am

    A few photos more





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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:22 am

    they are only building what two of those now? are these things even worth it really or should they have just saved the money for the Amp Assault ships they want to build.
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  GarryB on Mon Jun 20, 2016 11:33 am

    Different sized vessels with more range and ocean going ability is what was required... I am sure they will find uses for these two vessels, but the navy wanted something more... AFAIK.


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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  Flanky on Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:46 pm

    GarryB wrote:Different sized vessels with more range and ocean going ability is what was required... I am sure they will find uses for these two vessels, but the navy wanted something more... AFAIK.
    True story.... They are too small and cannot carry as much troops and hardware as Ropucha.
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Jun 22, 2016 9:06 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:they are only building what two of those now? are these things even worth it really or should they have just saved the money for the Amp Assault ships they want to build.

    They are old project but when Mistrals were ordered they were restarted and expected to act as supplements to Mistrals and 6 were planned. But when that fell trough Navy ditched remaining ships and opted to start new projects from scratch. These two were too far into production to be canceled so they opted to finish them.
    They will probably go to Black Sea fleet. Low treat environment and short distances.
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  Big_Gazza on Wed Jun 22, 2016 11:56 pm

    Flanky wrote:True story.... They are too small and cannot carry as much troops and hardware as Ropucha.

    Rubbish. Max load is 13 MBTs and 300 troops, while Ropucha is 10 MBTs and 340 troops. The Grens have a helicopter as well.

    Not great ships, but will still enhance the naval amphibious landing capabilities. Certainly better than nothing...
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  George1 on Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:55 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Flanky wrote:True story.... They are too small and cannot carry as much troops and hardware as Ropucha.

    Rubbish.  Max load is 13 MBTs and 300 troops, while Ropucha is 10 MBTs and 340 troops.  The Grens have a helicopter as well.

    Not great ships, but will still enhance the naval amphibious landing capabilities. Certainly better than nothing...

    well at least they are much better addition than the older obsolete Alligator class i guess


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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  Dima on Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:15 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:they are only building what two of those now? are these things even worth it really or should they have just saved the money for the Amp Assault ships they want to build.
    Any ship that's available now is an asset. Thats the situation Russian Navy is in now, courtesy the colossal failure in planning and setting priorities. On top of that we had a multi-billion dollar Mistral courtesy some morons.

    Its provides higher capacity that the existing ones and thats the good point. The negative being, the second one is faaaaaaaaar away.
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:36 am

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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  George1 on Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:22 am

    in this link also says that only 3 ships will be made of that class.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1986456.html


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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  TheArmenian on Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:31 am

    The internals of the Ivan gren.

    Compared to the Ropuchas, this ship has a wider cargo hold and has wider doors etc.

    http://www.wrk.ru/forums/attachment.php?item=523302

    http://www.wrk.ru/forums/attachment.php?item=523303

    http://www.wrk.ru/forums/attachment.php?item=523294
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  George1 on Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:15 am









    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2013263.html


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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  hoom on Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:13 am

    Any ship that's available now is an asset
    This.

    I honestly don't understand why so many navies have such a huge hardon for amphibious ships these days, particularly the huge chopper carrier types dunno
    But at least Ivan Gren will likely be put to good use on the Syria Express, maybe allowing a couple of the older ships like Alligators to be retired.
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Aug 23, 2016 4:00 pm


    Ivan Gren on trials in Bay of Finland













    http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/82083/
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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Aug 24, 2016 12:25 am


    Helicopter testing on Ivan Gren













    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2083111.html

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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  George1 on Sun Sep 04, 2016 2:44 am

    On board of the large landing ship of the project 11711 "Ivan Gren"





































    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2103555.html


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    Re: Project 11711E: "Ivan Gren" class

    Post  marat on Tue Nov 01, 2016 6:37 am

    George1 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Ivan Gren to be delivered to Navy by October 2016

    http://flotprom.ru/2016/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B073/

    another delay..

    Any information on date of delivery? I hope it will be soon.

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