It is good moment to return on a very old question more times touched in the past in this same thread : Arjun and T-90S and the outcome of the 2010 comparative trials allegedly resulting, in the totally unsubstantiated report, but strangely promptly publicized and highlighted in western media and forums, of a certain Indian ex Col....... , in a clear "victory" by part of Arjun
Ajai Shukla wrote:India’s home-built Arjun tank has emerged a conclusive winner from its showdown with the Russian T-90. A week of comparative trials, conducted by the army at the Mahajan Ranges, near Bikaner in Rajasthan, has ended; the results are still officially secret. But, Business Standard has learned from multiple sources who were involved in the trials that the Arjun tank has outperformed the T-90 on every crucial parameter.
This is what i had said instead on the same subject about two years ago (post 33 and 38 of this same thread )http://www.russiadefence.net/t2333p30-t-90-news
Mindstorm wrote:Our dear ex Col. Ajai Shukla who return the the attack of the hated T-90S (and of the "inept and corrupt" Indian Army's Gotha) with its ,at best ,imaginative thesis Laughing
We are still all anxiously hanging on ,since more than two years and half, the names of any Indian Army's official confirming a single word of its reconstruction of the comparative trial of Arjun and T-90S of Febraury 2010.
Mindstorm wrote:Returning to our Ajai Shukla , Austin has someone ever ,up to this point, asked to it to provide a single OFFICIAL declaration or OFFICIAL chronicle of the facts related to the 2010 "comparative trials" by part of DRDO (who should have ANY reason , getANY benefit and suffer NO drawbacks in revealing OFFICIALLY that its product had shown in the comparative trials far better performances in respect to T-90S) and confirming ITS VERSION Cool ?
Do you know ,it is very ,very strange that the primary source providing this version of the facts is....JUST IT ,while any OFFICIAL source say simply that Arjun had (.....probably for the first time in its entire development's history) successfully passed all the trials.
Now a first official document -Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General of India on Army, Ordnance Factories and Defence Public Sector Undertakings - seem to push the first light on the real results of the up-mentioned trials.
From Chapter VIII ,18.104.22.168 Testing and issue of MBT Arjun, pag. 164/165
Comparative field trials of MBT Arjun with T-90 tanks took place in February/ March 2010.
Till such time, the Army had been consistently reporting quality problems in MBT Arjun; this was also reported to the Standing Committee on Defence (2007-08). The comparative trials were on four parameters viz. fire power, survivability, reliability and miscellaneous issues of the tank with weightage of 40, 35, 15 and 10 respectively.
As per the trial report, MBT Arjun performed marginally better than the T-90 tank in accuracy and consistency of firepower. However, T-90 tank performed better in lethality and missile firing capability. The Army concluded (April 2010) that “Arjun had performed creditably and it could be employed both for offensive and defensive tasks with same efficacy of T-90 tank.”
The Army also recommended upgrades 154 to make the Arjun tank a superior weapon platform. We were informed (February 2014) that the Mark-II version of MBT Arjun was under trials by the Army and that it would include the upgrades recommended by the Army.
We found that the MBT Arjun and T-90 tank were not exactly comparable in missile firing ability; the higher score of T-90 tank was mainly due to missile firing ability which was not in the design of MBT Arjun.
Barring missile firing ability, the scores of MBT Arjun and T-90 tank would be 25.77 and 24.50 respectively in firepower. In the overall comparative score, T-90 tank scored 75.01, marginally higher than MBT Arjun which scored 72.46, mainly because of higher score on missile firing ability of T-90 tank.
Therefore exactly as suspected was the T-90S at coming out on the top at the end of the comparative trials - 75.01 vs 72.46 -.
and the unique good news from those trials fro the Arjun was
, as i had foreseen , that Indian Army had for the first time found finally the domestic Arjun MBT worth of operational employment
Even more important is to highlight that even removing totally the missile firing capability
(that is already integrated and PAID FOR in what Indian Army get from the price of each of its T-90S
) Arjun MBT ,with its naturally much more up-to-date vectronic suit, would have achieved only a mere 1.27 points edge ,in the firepower score, over the most older FCS equiped T-90S
I find, at this point, simply PATHETICS the attempts
,in particular in some "suspect" forums, to still warp the spin of those cold numbers COMPLETELY DEBUNKING the version of the facts about the 2010 comparative trials
, previously sold by some mercenary public media operator ,pointing on some minor differences in requirements
(majority of which are anyhow vastly overcome also by today Indian T-90S) for Arjun in reason of the fact that the several development slippage in the program has trapped Arjun MBT still in 2014 in the development phase
(now with MKII version) and this reality force the Indian Army to change cyclically the requirements to maintain the product more or less in line with worldwide requirements for its class at the time
.Immeasurably more severe and increased changes in the technical requirements
(for mobility, fire control ,reliability and logistic performances) has been put by MoD for only partial modernization of old tank fleet (such as for the T-72B3 program).
Fact is that a '90 years MBT, such as T-90S ,enjoying by its same basis design concepts, simply crushing advantages in respect to any MBT designed on the opposite philosophy
as explained in mine post 40 and 206 of this threadhttp://www.russiadefence.net/t2333p195-t-90-newshad completed the comparative trials with Arjun in February 2010 COMING OUT ON THE TOP
,to the EXACT CONTRARY
of what claimed in all those years by some well paid "spin doctor" present in the Indian public media and the following herd of easily guillable people deceived by its unsubstantiated claims.