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    Re: T-90 MBT: News

    Post  Benya on Wed Aug 24, 2016 12:09 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:A wild Persian T-90MS appears:



    New Iranian Karrar tank appeared like a T-90cm

    I can hardly believe this  No . Now the Iranians are being "copycats" like the Chinese?

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    Re: T-90 MBT: News

    Post  Neoprime on Wed Aug 24, 2016 2:24 pm

    Benya wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:A wild Persian T-90MS appears:



    New Iranian Karrar tank appeared like a T-90cm

    I can hardly believe this  No . Now the Iranians are being "copycats" like the Chinese?

    Ain't nothing wrong with that. russia

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    Re: T-90 MBT: News

    Post  Benya on Wed Aug 24, 2016 2:51 pm

    Neoprime wrote:
    Benya wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:A wild Persian T-90MS appears:



    New Iranian Karrar tank appeared like a T-90cm

    I can hardly believe this  No . Now the Iranians are being "copycats" like the Chinese?

    Ain't nothing wrong with that. russia

    You must be joking! Laughing Laughing Laughing

    If someone would stole your tank design, how would you feel? I'm sure that there is no license agreement between Russia and Iran, so this is just a copy.

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    Re: T-90 MBT: News

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Aug 24, 2016 5:33 pm

    Guys it's a blurry picture out of an ad. the tank that fires during the same ad, is a T72S, nowhere near the T90. If Iran has this new tank, seeing it should be fairly easy. Let the smoke clear and we'll see exactly what it is. IMO it's a well dressed T72S with all the right cardboard at the right place.

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    Re: T-90 MBT: News

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Aug 25, 2016 2:06 am

    Benya wrote:
    Neoprime wrote:
    Benya wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:A wild Persian T-90MS appears:



    New Iranian Karrar tank appeared like a T-90cm

    I can hardly believe this  No . Now the Iranians are being "copycats" like the Chinese?

    Ain't nothing wrong with that. russia

    You must be joking! Laughing Laughing Laughing

    If someone would stole your tank design, how would you feel? I'm sure that there is no license agreement between Russia and Iran, so this is just a copy.

    What makes you think that Russia didn't just give them design with TOT, it's not like Russia could sell them T-90's any way due to the nuclear deal.

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    Re: T-90 MBT: News

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Aug 25, 2016 2:09 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:Guys it's a blurry picture out of an ad. the tank that fires during the same ad, is a T72S, nowhere near the T90. If Iran has this new tank, seeing it should be fairly easy. Let the smoke clear and we'll see exactly what it is. IMO it's a well dressed T72S with all the right cardboard at the right place.

    Nothing stops Russia from giving the Iranians TOT, however there's great obstacles in directly selling hardware to the Persians. Giving TOT makes the most sense, so Russia could still profit on Iranian market with plausible deniability to boot!

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    Re: T-90 MBT: News

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Aug 25, 2016 2:45 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Guys it's a blurry picture out of an ad. the tank that fires during the same ad, is a T72S, nowhere near the T90. If Iran has this new tank, seeing it should be fairly easy. Let the smoke clear and we'll see exactly what it is. IMO it's a well dressed T72S with all the right cardboard at the right place.

    Nothing stops Russia from giving the Iranians TOT, however there's great obstacles in directly selling hardware to the Persians. Giving TOT makes the most sense, so Russia could still profit on Iranian market with plausible deniability to boot!

    ToT with what parts? ERA and subsystems for tanks are still under embargo. It's like learning to a kid to draw with out pencil, paper and eraser. This tank is just a mock up over a T72S. If this was something else the Iranian would have had this parading like they were in Jerusalem.

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    Re: T-90 MBT: News

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Aug 25, 2016 3:39 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Guys it's a blurry picture out of an ad. the tank that fires during the same ad, is a T72S, nowhere near the T90. If Iran has this new tank, seeing it should be fairly easy. Let the smoke clear and we'll see exactly what it is. IMO it's a well dressed T72S with all the right cardboard at the right place.

    Nothing stops Russia from giving the Iranians TOT, however there's great obstacles in directly selling hardware to the Persians. Giving TOT makes the most sense, so Russia could still profit on Iranian market with plausible deniability to boot!

    ToT with what parts? ERA and subsystems for tanks are still under embargo. It's like learning to a kid to draw with out pencil, paper and eraser. This tank is just a mock up over a T72S. If this was something else the Iranian would have had this parading like they were in Jerusalem.

    Who says you have to announce anything? The Pentagon can't even keep track of their mismanaged trillions (allegedly), their arms shipments (allegedly) nor could they track a Russian-Iranian transfer of technology. The US has no presence in the Caspian sea and is heavily reliant on satellites that have been known to 'skip a beat' when Russia makes a move strategically.

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    Re: T-90 MBT: News

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Aug 25, 2016 4:07 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Guys it's a blurry picture out of an ad. the tank that fires during the same ad, is a T72S, nowhere near the T90. If Iran has this new tank, seeing it should be fairly easy. Let the smoke clear and we'll see exactly what it is. IMO it's a well dressed T72S with all the right cardboard at the right place.

    Nothing stops Russia from giving the Iranians TOT, however there's great obstacles in directly selling hardware to the Persians. Giving TOT makes the most sense, so Russia could still profit on Iranian market with plausible deniability to boot!

    ToT with what parts? ERA and subsystems for tanks are still under embargo. It's like learning to a kid to draw with out pencil, paper and eraser. This tank is just a mock up over a T72S. If this was something else the Iranian would have had this parading like they were in Jerusalem.

    Who says you have to announce anything? The Pentagon can't even keep track of their mismanaged trillions (allegedly), their arms shipments (allegedly) nor could they track a Russian-Iranian transfer of technology. The US has no presence in the Caspian sea and is heavily reliant on satellites that have been known to 'skip a beat' when Russia makes a move strategically.

    Jesus it's not about "slipping" a couple of ERA panels and a bunch of subsystems, it's about the statement you'd make with that. It would simply mean, we don't give a fuck about the sanctions regime. This is wrong plainly wrong and would have repercussions on both Russia and Iran. If Iran got all uppity about a public unveiling about the Russian operation in Hamedan, immagine how butthurt the Pentagon will show about "hurr durr forbidden arms transfer...hurr duurrrr".


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    Re: T-90 MBT: News

    Post  kvs on Thu Aug 25, 2016 5:17 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Guys it's a blurry picture out of an ad. the tank that fires during the same ad, is a T72S, nowhere near the T90. If Iran has this new tank, seeing it should be fairly easy. Let the smoke clear and we'll see exactly what it is. IMO it's a well dressed T72S with all the right cardboard at the right place.

    Nothing stops Russia from giving the Iranians TOT, however there's great obstacles in directly selling hardware to the Persians. Giving TOT makes the most sense, so Russia could still profit on Iranian market with plausible deniability to boot!

    ToT with what parts? ERA and subsystems for tanks are still under embargo. It's like learning to a kid to draw with out pencil, paper and eraser. This tank is just a mock up over a T72S. If this was something else the Iranian would have had this parading like they were in Jerusalem.

    Who says you have to announce anything? The Pentagon can't even keep track of their mismanaged trillions (allegedly), their arms shipments (allegedly) nor could they track a Russian-Iranian transfer of technology. The US has no presence in the Caspian sea and is heavily reliant on satellites that have been known to 'skip a beat' when Russia makes a move strategically.

    Jesus it's not about "slipping" a couple of ERA panels and a bunch of subsystems, it's about the statement you'd make with that. It would simply mean, we don't give a fuck about the sanctions regime. This is wrong plainly wrong and would have repercussions on both Russia and Iran. If Iran got all uppity about a public unveiling about the Russian operation in Hamedan, immagine how butthurt the Pentagon will show about "hurr durr forbidden arms transfer...hurr duurrrr".


    And why should Russia and Iran give a flying f*ck about what the self-anointed master of the planet thinks. Uncle Scam needs Iran to supply gas
    to the EU. Qatar cannot do it. So there is only so much that the Scammer will do.

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    Re: T-90 MBT: News

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Aug 25, 2016 5:51 am

    kvs wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Guys it's a blurry picture out of an ad. the tank that fires during the same ad, is a T72S, nowhere near the T90. If Iran has this new tank, seeing it should be fairly easy. Let the smoke clear and we'll see exactly what it is. IMO it's a well dressed T72S with all the right cardboard at the right place.

    Nothing stops Russia from giving the Iranians TOT, however there's great obstacles in directly selling hardware to the Persians. Giving TOT makes the most sense, so Russia could still profit on Iranian market with plausible deniability to boot!

    ToT with what parts? ERA and subsystems for tanks are still under embargo. It's like learning to a kid to draw with out pencil, paper and eraser. This tank is just a mock up over a T72S. If this was something else the Iranian would have had this parading like they were in Jerusalem.

    Who says you have to announce anything? The Pentagon can't even keep track of their mismanaged trillions (allegedly), their arms shipments (allegedly) nor could they track a Russian-Iranian transfer of technology. The US has no presence in the Caspian sea and is heavily reliant on satellites that have been known to 'skip a beat' when Russia makes a move strategically.

    Jesus it's not about "slipping" a couple of ERA panels and a bunch of subsystems, it's about the statement you'd make with that. It would simply mean, we don't give a fuck about the sanctions regime. This is wrong plainly wrong and would have repercussions on both Russia and Iran. If Iran got all uppity about a public unveiling about the Russian operation in Hamedan, immagine how butthurt the Pentagon will show about "hurr durr forbidden arms transfer...hurr duurrrr".


    And why should Russia and Iran give a flying f*ck about what the self-anointed master of the planet thinks.   Uncle Scam needs Iran to supply gas
    to the EU.  Qatar cannot do it.   So there is only so much that the Scammer will do.
    Because Iran agreed to....

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    Re: T-90 MBT: News

    Post  Persian on Thu Aug 25, 2016 5:37 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:Guys it's a blurry picture out of an ad. the tank that fires during the same ad, is a T72S, nowhere near the T90. If Iran has this new tank, seeing it should be fairly easy. Let the smoke clear and we'll see exactly what it is. IMO it's a well dressed T72S with all the right cardboard at the right place.

    Why you seem so upset friend? You're acting like just because there are similarities between this tank (not even confirmed to be karrar yet) and T-series, that it must automatically be a copy etc. Even if we look at the tank below hard enough, we could see T series similarities:



    Now this Iranian tank clearly shares similarities such as the toothed side skirts, number of wheels etc, but you can also see clear differences in this blurry pic. It's very easy for you to just make assumptions lie this is just a T-72 with heavy cosmetics etc, but can you substantiate that? You seem too upset. Why? If Iran think it is a good idea to take T series influences into its tank designs, that's something that should make our Russian friends happy. As that points to good features of Russian tanks.

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    Re: T-90 MBT: News

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Aug 25, 2016 5:53 pm

    Persian wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Guys it's a blurry picture out of an ad. the tank that fires during the same ad, is a T72S, nowhere near the T90. If Iran has this new tank, seeing it should be fairly easy. Let the smoke clear and we'll see exactly what it is. IMO it's a well dressed T72S with all the right cardboard at the right place.

    Why you seem so upset friend? You're acting like just because there are similarities between this tank (not even confirmed to be karrar yet) and T-series, that it must automatically be a copy etc. Even if we look at the tank below hard enough, we could see T series similarities:



    Now this Iranian tank clearly shares similarities such as the toothed side skirts, number of wheels etc, but you can also see clear differences in this blurry pic. It's very easy for you to just make assumptions lie this is just a T-72 with heavy cosmetics etc, but can you substantiate that? You seem too upset. Why? If Iran think it is a good idea to take T series influences into its tank designs, that's something that should make our Russian friends happy. As that points to good features of Russian tanks.

    Upset? Why should I be upset?

    Iran had enough time to spirit a lot of elements to make a semi-viable tank upgrade from the ealy 90's until the current sanctions. Take the Khorramshar which was T72/T80 mix with a turbine. Yet Iran has to move over the T72S it still produces to this day. However there are three things that we can't assess as of now. FCS, Sensors and Gunnery. This tanks purports to show an elongated turret, does it have a new autoloader, the answer is no, the turret seems to be elongated to make up for the RCWS pedestal that sits behind the T72 turret. So basically this tank looks like something we know, but from the initial pictures, smells like something else, we know as well.

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    Re: T-90 MBT: News

    Post  Persian on Thu Aug 25, 2016 6:09 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Persian wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Guys it's a blurry picture out of an ad. the tank that fires during the same ad, is a T72S, nowhere near the T90. If Iran has this new tank, seeing it should be fairly easy. Let the smoke clear and we'll see exactly what it is. IMO it's a well dressed T72S with all the right cardboard at the right place.

    Why you seem so upset friend? You're acting like just because there are similarities between this tank (not even confirmed to be karrar yet) and T-series, that it must automatically be a copy etc. Even if we look at the tank below hard enough, we could see T series similarities:



    Now this Iranian tank clearly shares similarities such as the toothed side skirts, number of wheels etc, but you can also see clear differences in this blurry pic. It's very easy for you to just make assumptions lie this is just a T-72 with heavy cosmetics etc, but can you substantiate that? You seem too upset. Why? If Iran think it is a good idea to take T series influences into its tank designs, that's something that should make our Russian friends happy. As that points to good features of Russian tanks.

    Upset? Why should I be upset?

    Iran had enough time to spirit a lot of elements to make a semi-viable tank upgrade from the ealy 90's until the current sanctions. Take the Khorramshar which was T72/T80 mix with a turbine. Yet Iran has to move over the T72S it still produces to this day. However there are three things that we can't assess as of now. FCS, Sensors and Gunnery. This tanks purports to show an elongated turret, does it have a new autoloader, the answer is no, the turret seems to be elongated to make up for the RCWS pedestal that sits behind the T72 turret. So basically this tank looks like something we know, but from the initial pictures, smells like something else, we know as well.  

    You are just making assumptions and acting as if those are based on solid factual grounds. How do you know it does not have a new autoloader?  I do know about the history of tanks in Iran, which is why I think this is a new tank but obviously its design is influenced by the T-series considerably. Could I be wrong? of course.

    However, best thing to do is wait till karrar is officially revealed. They will probably show some manufacture phase videos as well, then one would be in a much better position to judge its anatomy.

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    Re: T-90 MBT: News

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Aug 25, 2016 6:15 pm

    Persian wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Persian wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Guys it's a blurry picture out of an ad. the tank that fires during the same ad, is a T72S, nowhere near the T90. If Iran has this new tank, seeing it should be fairly easy. Let the smoke clear and we'll see exactly what it is. IMO it's a well dressed T72S with all the right cardboard at the right place.

    Why you seem so upset friend? You're acting like just because there are similarities between this tank (not even confirmed to be karrar yet) and T-series, that it must automatically be a copy etc. Even if we look at the tank below hard enough, we could see T series similarities:



    Now this Iranian tank clearly shares similarities such as the toothed side skirts, number of wheels etc, but you can also see clear differences in this blurry pic. It's very easy for you to just make assumptions lie this is just a T-72 with heavy cosmetics etc, but can you substantiate that? You seem too upset. Why? If Iran think it is a good idea to take T series influences into its tank designs, that's something that should make our Russian friends happy. As that points to good features of Russian tanks.

    Upset? Why should I be upset?

    Iran had enough time to spirit a lot of elements to make a semi-viable tank upgrade from the ealy 90's until the current sanctions. Take the Khorramshar which was T72/T80 mix with a turbine. Yet Iran has to move over the T72S it still produces to this day. However there are three things that we can't assess as of now. FCS, Sensors and Gunnery. This tanks purports to show an elongated turret, does it have a new autoloader, the answer is no, the turret seems to be elongated to make up for the RCWS pedestal that sits behind the T72 turret. So basically this tank looks like something we know, but from the initial pictures, smells like something else, we know as well.  

    You are just making assumptions and acting as if those are based on solid factual grounds. How do you know it does not have a new autoloader? You also claim it is using a T-72 turret, what?? I do know about the history of tanks in Iran, which is why I think this is a new tank but obviously its designe is influenced by the T-series considerably.

    However, best thing to do is wait till karrar is officially revealed. They will probably show some manufacture phase videos as well, then one would be in a much better position to judge its anatomy.

    It's not assumptions, the RCWS is not set on the turret itself, but on a contraption over the bustle frame. This means that the autoloader cannot take place there, or that the tank has a very small ammou count. Which I seriously doubt. I already provided yo with enough hints as to what this tank looks like and what probably it is like.

    If you want to believe that this is a brand new tank, then OK so be it. You are entitled to your opinion. Anyway, best luck to the Iranian army.

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    Re: T-90 MBT: News

    Post  Persian on Thu Aug 25, 2016 6:21 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Persian wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Persian wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Guys it's a blurry picture out of an ad. the tank that fires during the same ad, is a T72S, nowhere near the T90. If Iran has this new tank, seeing it should be fairly easy. Let the smoke clear and we'll see exactly what it is. IMO it's a well dressed T72S with all the right cardboard at the right place.

    Why you seem so upset friend? You're acting like just because there are similarities between this tank (not even confirmed to be karrar yet) and T-series, that it must automatically be a copy etc. Even if we look at the tank below hard enough, we could see T series similarities:



    Now this Iranian tank clearly shares similarities such as the toothed side skirts, number of wheels etc, but you can also see clear differences in this blurry pic. It's very easy for you to just make assumptions lie this is just a T-72 with heavy cosmetics etc, but can you substantiate that? You seem too upset. Why? If Iran think it is a good idea to take T series influences into its tank designs, that's something that should make our Russian friends happy. As that points to good features of Russian tanks.

    Upset? Why should I be upset?

    Iran had enough time to spirit a lot of elements to make a semi-viable tank upgrade from the ealy 90's until the current sanctions. Take the Khorramshar which was T72/T80 mix with a turbine. Yet Iran has to move over the T72S it still produces to this day. However there are three things that we can't assess as of now. FCS, Sensors and Gunnery. This tanks purports to show an elongated turret, does it have a new autoloader, the answer is no, the turret seems to be elongated to make up for the RCWS pedestal that sits behind the T72 turret. So basically this tank looks like something we know, but from the initial pictures, smells like something else, we know as well.  

    You are just making assumptions and acting as if those are based on solid factual grounds. How do you know it does not have a new autoloader? You also claim it is using a T-72 turret, what?? I do know about the history of tanks in Iran, which is why I think this is a new tank but obviously its designe is influenced by the T-series considerably.

    However, best thing to do is wait till karrar is officially revealed. They will probably show some manufacture phase videos as well, then one would be in a much better position to judge its anatomy.

    It's not assumptions, the RCWS is not set on the turret itself, but on a contraption over the bustle frame. This means that the autoloader cannot take place there, or that the tank has a very small ammou count. Which I seriously doubt. I already provided yo with enough hints as to what this tank looks like and what probably it is like.

    If you want to believe that this is a brand new tank, then OK so be it. You are entitled to your opinion. Anyway, best luck to the Iranian army.  

    I never said this is a brand new tank, I say it is a design which is heavily based on the T-series. I don't see the point of these speculations further. Just assumptions being made. Hopefully Karrar will be revealed soon then better judgement can follow. But I will say this again, it is not officially revealed what the tank in that video is, it probably is karrar but we can't be 100% certain.

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    Re: T-90 MBT: News

    Post  Benya on Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:26 pm

    Just to clarify things. Info about this "mysterious Karrar MBT"

    New Iranian-made Karrar MBT Main Battle Tank unveiled by local television footage.

    First footage of the Iranian Television "Telewebion" has unveiled the new Iranian-made Karrar MBT (Main Battle Tank) which is full designed and manufactured in Iran. The layout of the Karrar seems to be similar to the Russian made T-90MS but with some specific features.


    Printscreen of Iranian television footage about the new Karrar MBT (Main Battle Tank)

    The overall layout of the Iranian-made Karrar MBT seems to be similar to that of the Russian-made T-90MS MBT with the driver's compartment at the front, two-man turret in the centre and engine and transmission at the rear. The driver is seated in the centre of the hull.

    According to our first analysis, the front of the turret and each sides of the hull are protected with explosive reactive armour (ERA) while the rear side of the hull and the turret are fitted with wire cage armour.

    The suspension consists on each side of six dual rubber-tired road wheels with the drive sprocket at the rear and idler at the front. The upper part of the suspension is protected by side skirts.

    The turret has a rear extension which can be the automatic loading system of the main gun. The main armament of the Karrar could be a 125 mm smoothbore gun. A remote weapon station is mounted on the top of the turret which can be armed with a 12.7 mm or 14.5mm heavy machine gun.

    Banks of electrically operated smoke grenade dischargers are mounted either side of the turret.



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    Well, it might not be a copy, but we need more info to judge whether is it, or whether it isn't

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    Re: T-90 MBT: News

    Post  franco on Thu Sep 08, 2016 11:38 pm

    Uralvagonzavod "expects to soon conclude with the Russian Ministry of Defense contract to supply a new modification of the tank T-90, the CEO of the corporation Oleg Siyenko told the TV channel" Russia 24 ".

    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/3601820

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    Re: T-90 MBT: News

    Post  George1 on Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:59 am

    Modernization program "Прорыв-3" for T-90 tanks



    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2117579.html


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    Re: T-90 MBT: News

    Post  Benya on Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:19 am

    Some more info on this "Proviv-3" upgrade on T-90 tanks


    Russia eyes major upgrade for its fleet of T-90A main battle tanks

    Russia`s Ministry of Defense (MoD) is planning to upgrade its T-90A main battle tanks (MBT), according to a source in the MoD. "Russia`s Armed Forces operate several hundred of T-90A MBTs that have already revealed their high combat capacity," the source said.


    Russian T-90A main battle tank
    (Credit: Vitaly V. Kuzmin)

    "The MoD has no intention to phase out these tanks. The Ministry`s Main Directorate for Automotive and Armoured Vehicles (Russian acronym: GABTU, Glavnoye Avtobronetankovoe Upravlenie) has developed the program to upgrade the previously delivered T-90A tanks at the armour repairing plants. It is named Proriv-3 (Break-In 3). The enhanced T-90 tank will have a number of advantages over the basic model," the source added.

    The Proriv-3 variant of the T-90 MBT (also designated as T-90M, M stands for Upgraded, Modernizirovanny) was unveiled at the Army 2015 military-technical forum held outside Moscow in June 2015. The vehicle has a combat weight of 50 t, a crew of three tankers, a clearance of 450 mm, and an operational range of 550 km (with additional fuel tanks installed). The tank is armed with a 125 mm smoothbore gun-launcher and a 7.62 mm coaxial machinegun.

    T-90M also features a roof-mounted remote controlled weapon station (RCWS) armed with a 12.7 mm heavy machinegun. The model of the tank demonstrated at the Army 2015 defense show was up-armoured with Relikt (Relic) explosive reactive armour (ERA) developed by the NII Stali scientific-research institute (a subsidiary of the Tractor Plants Concern). The vehicle is powered by single 1,130-h.p. engine.

    According to the Military Balance 2016 report issued by the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), Russia`s Land Forces operate 350 T-90/T-90A main battle tanks; 200 more T-90 tanks have been placed in store.

    Source: Arrow http://www.armyrecognition.com/september_2016_global_defense_security_news_industry/russia_eyes_major_upgrade_for_its_fleet_of_t-90a_main_battle_tanks_21909163.html



    Well, nothing much to say, but it is good that they will upgrade T-90s, so that they can hold their places until Armata arrives.

    (This is my 100th post so far cheers . Yeah, not much but I won't stop there, and I aim for more. Wink )

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    Re: T-90 MBT: News

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:15 pm

    Pls make it be Burlak with maskirovka name pls.

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    Re: T-90 MBT: News

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:34 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:Pls make it be Burlak with maskirovka name pls.

    Burlak as in the Burlak upgrade? I thought MOD rejected it? For that matter the T-90MS export demonstrated that they'll tolerate a small and modest turret bustle design, but nothing like the Black Eagle's monster-truck sized turret bustle that the Omsk Plant seems fond of. You wont see robust bustles unless the crew compartments are completely separated from the ammunition, so your more likely to see them on the Armata series than any modernized version of the T-90 series.

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    Re: T-90 MBT: News

    Post  KiloGolf on Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:45 pm

    Benya wrote:According to the Military Balance 2016 report issued by the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), Russia`s Land Forces operate 350 T-90/T-90A main battle tanks; 200 more T-90 tanks have been placed in store.

    Never caught that on the news. What prompted them in putting 200 of such modern MBTs in storage?  dunno
    First they decided to get rid of the T-80 and now this. Well it seems Russia will settle for a rather small MBT force after all.

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    Re: T-90 MBT: News

    Post  franco on Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:19 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Benya wrote:According to the Military Balance 2016 report issued by the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), Russia`s Land Forces operate 350 T-90/T-90A main battle tanks; 200 more T-90 tanks have been placed in store.

    Never caught that on the news. What prompted them in putting 200 of such modern MBTs in storage?  dunno
    First they decided to get rid of the T-80 and now this. Well it seems Russia will settle for a rather small MBT force after all.

    They were the first built and have been in storage for 20 years. Apparently they were too sophisticated for conscript drivers and took a beating. You have to wonder if the reason that they have not been upgraded is that they are too damaged.

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    Re: T-90 MBT: News

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:57 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Pls make it be Burlak with maskirovka name pls.

    Burlak as in the Burlak upgrade? I thought MOD rejected it? For that matter the T-90MS export demonstrated that they'll tolerate a small and modest turret bustle design, but nothing like the Black Eagle's monster-truck sized turret bustle that the Omsk Plant seems fond of. You wont see robust bustles unless the crew compartments are completely separated from the ammunition, so your more likely to see them on the Armata series than any modernized version of the T-90 series.

    Burlak had full rammer and tactical separation, with loading process being a tray atop the bustle. Armata has a hull autoloader despite having airtight separation from ammo.

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