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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  George1 on Wed Aug 16, 2017 11:31 pm

    Crash of the Chinese deck fighter J-15




    The J-15 fighter piloted by the deputy commander of the 10th Aviation Regiment of the 4th PLAC Navy Air Division Senior Colonel Yuan Wei encountered a flock of birds during the start of the training flight. The plane got damage to the left engine. The pilot managed to land a fighter. There are no victims.

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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:58 pm

    By David Hambling

    On 21 June, the Chinese Academy of Sciences hailed a breakthrough – a major upgrade to a kind of quantum device that measures magnetic fields. The announcement vanished after a journalist pointed out the invention’s potential military implications: it could help China lock down the South China Sea.

    “I was surprised by the removal,” says Stephen Chen of the South China Morning Post, who raised the issue. “I have been covering Chinese science for many years, and it is rare.”

    Magnetometers have been used to detect submarines since the second world war. They are able to do this because they can measure an anomaly in Earth’s magnetic field – like one caused by a massive hunk of metal. But today’s devices can only detect a submarine at fairly short range, so tend to be used to home in on the location once the sub has already been spotted on sonar.

    You could widen their range if you had a magnetometer based on a superconducting quantum interference device, or SQUID. Superconducting magnetometers are exquisitely sensitive, but their promise has been limited to the lab. Out in the real world, they are quickly overwhelmed by background noise as minuscule as changes in Earth’s magnetic field caused by distant solar storms.

    Given that level of sensitivity, you can forget about mounting such a sensor on an airplane, for example. The US Navy gave up work on superconducting magnetometers to pursue less sensitive but more mature technologies.
    Learn more about quantum theory: In our expert talk at New Scientist Live in London

    The new magnetometer, built by Xiaoming Xie and colleagues at the Shanghai Institute of Microsystem and Information Technology, uses not one SQUID but an array of them. The idea is that by comparing their readings, researchers can cancel out some of the extra artefacts generated by motion. This “would be relevant to an anti-submarine warfare device”, says David Caplin at Imperial College London, who works on magnetic sensors.

    Although the announcement concerning Xie’s work has been removed, several of the previous papers culminating in this breakthrough are still available.

    The achievement points to an airborne device that can detect submarines from several kilometres away rather than just a few hundred metres. This would be catastrophic for NATO submarines, which have been honed to run ever more quietly, using clever technology that prevents them from being heard or detected on sonar. Their magnetic signature is much harder to eliminate.

    Could China soon have the most sensitive submarine detector in the world? No Western navies are known to have SQUID detectors.

    Researchers estimate that a SQUID magnetometer of this type could detect a sub from 6 kilometres away, and Caplin says that with better noise suppression the range could be much greater.

    Not everyone is convinced the Chinese magnetometer is ready for deployment. Cathy Foley at CSIRO, the Australian government research agency, says there are several difficulties with turning a SQUID into a sub-hunter – for example dealing with background magnetic noise. Nobody has yet solved all of these problems, although she says the rate of Chinese progress means they may well be first to succeed.

    SQUIDs are only one of the ways that China has been upgrading its anti-submarine capability over the last few years. The “Underwater Great Wall”, a string of submerged sensors, buoys and drone submarines, is thought to be close to completion. The project will help China extend its offshore surveillance zone.

    Beijing has long wanted to change the rules of engagement in its waters. Earlier this year it drafted new laws requiring any foreign submarine to get approval before entering Chinese waters, and once there, to stay surfaced and display its national flag. “Can the Chinese make these systems work reliably while in motion in the air or underwater? We’ll be watching their progress closely,” says Foley.


    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2144721-chinas-quantum-submarine-detector-could-seal-south-china-sea/
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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  George1 on Sun Sep 03, 2017 2:07 am

    The first Chinese oceanic supply ship of the project 901 was accepted into the Navy PLA





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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:46 pm

    Russia and China are holding joint naval drills amid North Korea tensions
    http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-and-china-will-hold-joint-naval-drills-to-show-unity-2017-9

    The Okhotsk Sea has weather & hydrologic conditions similar to those in the Arctic, so this training may be useful for the PLAN there too.
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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:07 am

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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Sep 16, 2017 10:12 pm

    Good video! But it didn't mention the future Kra Canal!
    http://thediplomat.com/2013/12/how-a-thai-canal-could-transform-southeast-asia/?allpages=yes

    https://larouchepac.com/20170117/major-breakthrough-kra-canal-potential

    https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Economy/Economy/Influential-Thais-in-push-for-Kra-Canal-project:
    As the region's largest economy, China would clearly be the biggest beneficiary of a Kra Canal. According to a 2017 report published by the Stockholm-based Institute for Security Policy, more than 30% of the world's seaborne trade and 80% of China's energy imports pass through the Malacca Strait, a choke point that Beijing fears could be blocked by the U.S. or some other rival power. To reduce its dependence on one vulnerable route, China has been building overland pipelines, roads and railways through Central Asia, Pakistan and Myanmar, and is contemplating opening a northern sea route to Europe through the Arctic.

    Russian merchant fleet & VMF would also benefit by shortening of sailing time between Black/Med. Sea, the Indian Ocean & her Far East coast.
    Assessing the Sino-Russian Baltic Sea Drill
    https://jamestown.org/program/assessing-the-sino-russian-baltic-sea-drill/


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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  George1 on Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:36 pm

    In China, launched the second oceanic ship complex supply project 901

    Only on September 1, 2017, was the ceremony of entering the main ocean ship of the complex supply of the project 901 Hulunhu (呼伦湖, board number "956") into the Navy of the PLA, as reported on Chinese network resources in early October in Guangzhou at the shipyard of Guangzhou Shipyard International Company of the Association of Guangzhou Shipbuiding Company of China Shipbuilding State Corporation (CSSC), the second ship of this type was launched.



    The new Chinese ships of the complex supply of the project 901 are, apparently, the world's largest ships of this designation, having an estimated total displacement of 55 thousand tons, the longest length is 239.5 m and a width of 30.5 m.

    The 901 Hulunhu project ship was launched at the Guangzhou Shipyard International Company shipyard in Guangzhou on December 15, 2015 and entered the factory road trials on December 19, 2016.

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    East China Sea Fleet Anti Aircraft, Anti Missile Air Defense Missile Exercise

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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  Cyberspec on Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:42 pm

    PLA Navy destroyer (Sovremeny class) "Hangzhou" (No 136) after modernization



    The destroyer "Hangzhou" with number 136, is the first of four destroyers pr.956E 956EM that were acquired by China in Russia in the late 1990s and mid-2000s.
    In 2015 began its modernization, the ship and now on Chinese military forums have published photos of the destroyer in the final stage of the modernization in December 2017.


    Artillery remains the same


    'Uragan' SAM system replaced by HQ-16 (Chinese version of the Shtill) in a 32 cell VLC launcher


    Anti-Ship Missiles  Moskit/Sunburn  replaced with YJ-12 (based on the Kh-31) with max range of approx 400km. Can accelerate to mach 4

    More at link below
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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  George1 on Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:12 am

    Surface ships introduced into the PLA Navy in 2017

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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  George1 on Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:34 pm

    Chinese big gun

    In China, they are preparing to test some new shipborne artillery system, many suggest that it could be a railgun, that is, an electromagnetic mass accelerator.
    The dimensions of the installation are quite impressive, for its testing at the shipyard in Wuhan, the landing craft of the Pro2.02-III "Hyansiang" was re-equipped, on the ship's deck there were also installed containers in which electrical equipment is supposed to be provided, which should provide the railgun with additional electric power.









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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  GarryB on Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:24 am

    In those first two images that gun is not on that ship... it is on the pier next to the ship.

    Only on the last image does the weapon actually appear to be on the ship.
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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  Vladimir79 on Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:12 pm

    GarryB wrote:In those first two images that gun is not on that ship... it is on the pier next to the ship.

    Only on the last image does the weapon actually appear to be on the ship.

    Whatever that thing is it isn't being mounted on that ship. They are transporting it somewhere.
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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  George1 on Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:49 pm

    Chinese ground test and training complex of naval aviation

    The Chinese complex is constructed at the Huandikun airfield, located on the shores of the Bohai Sea of ​​the Yellow Sea, eight kilometers south of Xingcheng City, Liaoning Province and the Xingcheng Airfield of the China Navy Academy. The construction of the complex was started in 2008 and completed by 2013, although the first take-off of the prototype J-15 deck fighter from the springboard of the complex took place in January 2012.















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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  George1 on Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:57 pm

    Parade of the PLA Navy in the South China Sea

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    China is looking to replace its J-15s aircraft carrier jets.

    Post  Pierre Sprey on Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:16 am

    Experts say the task has become more pressing after a series of mechanical failures and crashes, as Beijing pursues global navy ambitions.

    The J-15 was based on a prototype of the fourth-generation Russian Sukhoi Su-33 twin-engined air superiority fighter, a design that is more than 30 years old. It was developed by Shenyang Aircraft Corporation, a unit of state-owned Aviation Industry Corporation of China.
    With a maximum take-off weight of 33 tonnes, the aircraft is the heaviest active carrier-based fighter jet in the world, used on China’s first aircraft carrier, the Liaoning

    China needs to develop the new fighter jet as it plans to create at least four aircraft carrier groups to fulfil its global navy ambitions and defend its growing overseas interests, Beijing-based naval expert Li Jie said.
    “In order to improve the combat effectiveness of the Chinese aircraft carrier strike groups, it is necessary to develop a new carrier-based fighter,” Li said, adding that the FC-31 stealth fighter could be used as a model to replace the J-15.


    China’s FC-31 is a newer generation stealth fighter that made its first flight in 2012, and is smaller and lighter than the J-15.
    Lieutenant General Zhang Honghe, deputy head of the PLA Air Force, also told the South China Morning Post that a “new carrier-based fighter to replace the J-15” was being developed.

    The need to develop a new fighter jet has become more pressing after a series of “unpardonable mechanical failures” that have killed one top PLA pilot and injured another.
    Two sources close to the military told the Post there had been at least four crashes involving the J-15, although only two of them have been reported by state media.
    “The J-15 is a problematic aircraft – its unstable flight control system was the key factor behind the two fatal accidents two years ago,” one of the sources said.

    Pilot Zhang Chao, 29, died in a crash in April 2016 as he tried to save his J-15 fighter jet, whose flight control system was breaking down during a mock landing on an aircraft carrier, according to state media reports.
    Three weeks later, his colleague Cao Xianjian, believed to be in his 40s, was seriously injured as he tried to deal with the same problem on a J-15. It took him more than a year to recover.
    All J-15s were grounded for three months after the crashes, which undermined morale in the air force and navy. The navy called for an investigation after Zhang’s death, the sources said.
    “But the aviation experts at first refused to acknowledge that the J-15 has design problems,” one of the sources said. “They only agreed there were problems after Cao encountered the same trouble.”
    ‘At least 12 crew members killed’ in Chinese military plane crash
    Many of China’s home-grown fighter jets have had problems with their engines, aircraft design and modifications. But a PLA Navy veteran said that instead of carrying out more test flights, pilots were pushed to fly the warplanes, even though they had faults.
    “Of course it’s impossible to prevent any accident from ever happening during training. But unlike their counterparts in Western countries, Chinese air force pilots are asked to work around these mechanical errors,” the navy veteran said.

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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  Pierre Sprey on Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:17 am

    IMO China should have just bought Mig 29kubs right from the start instead of home building su 33's

    The FC 31 was always a carrier bound jet. China always lies to keep the pundits off balance. Why else would an expensive jet like that be developed ? It wasn't developed just as a side project for export.

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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  walle83 on Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:48 pm

    Pierre Sprey wrote:IMO China should have just bought Mig 29kubs right from the start instead of home building su 33's

    The FC 31 was always a carrier bound jet. China always lies to keep the pundits off balance. Why else would an expensive jet like that be developed ? It wasn't developed just as a side project for export.

    China wanted to buy the Su-33 from Russia for years, but Russia refused. It was probably the same with the MiG-29K.
    Thats way the bought the technology from Ukraine insted.
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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:10 pm

    This is their 1st naval deck fighter copy, & they rushed it to service.
    At the end of the day, the Chinese reverse engineered the J-15 design from an incomplete prototype of the Sukhoi Su-33 that it acquired from Ukraine. While Chinese engineers might have gained considerable insight into the Flanker design from the T-10K-3 and other Su-27 derivatives in Beijing’s possession, because they did not develop the jet or its systems, they do not fully understand the airframe due to some of the traditional limitations inherent to reverse engineering. These gaps in knowledge probably led to the some of the problems the Chinese are now encountering with the J-15 design.
    https://taskandpurpose.com/china-j-15-fighter-jets/?email=tsavolion69%40aim.com&acquisition_source=tp_lead_gen&newsletters_tp=newsletter_tp_daily&newsletters_hp=newsletter_hp_job_opportunities&newsletters_hp=newsletter_hp_career_advice
    Now it came to a dead end & they realized that nothing can be done to fix the stability problem. Perhaps the J-10/20 could be navalized, but I doubt they'll do it.  
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-10#Variants

    The J-20 has similar dimensions as the F-111; it will need a bigger CV/N to deploy it in optimal #s:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-20#Specifications
    https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-111.htm
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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  Isos on Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:50 pm

    walle83 wrote:
    Pierre Sprey wrote:IMO China should have just bought Mig 29kubs right from the start instead of home building su 33's

    The FC 31 was always a carrier bound jet. China always lies to keep the pundits off balance. Why else would an expensive jet like that be developed ? It wasn't developed just as a side project for export.

    China wanted to buy the Su-33 from Russia for years, but Russia refused. It was probably the same with the MiG-29K.
    Thats way the bought the technology from Ukraine insted.

    They wanted only few of them to copy them. And everyone know what they did with su-27. They would have done the same with mig-29k.

    But who cares ? According to some here chinese have the best technology they should be able to make a carrier based fighter by their own ...
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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  Pierre Sprey on Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:43 pm

    walle83 wrote:
    Pierre Sprey wrote:IMO China should have just bought Mig 29kubs right from the start instead of home building su 33's

    The FC 31 was always a carrier bound jet. China always lies to keep the pundits off balance. Why else would an expensive jet like that be developed ? It wasn't developed just as a side project for export.

    China wanted to buy the Su-33 from Russia for years, but Russia refused. It was probably the same with the MiG-29K.
    Thats way the bought the technology from Ukraine insted.

    Interesting. That was years ago now. Politics have have changed between china and Russia. Russia would probably sell them now. Especially with India bitching and moaning about their kubs. Maybe india was the only reason that they didn't sell them.
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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  Pierre Sprey on Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:45 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:This is their 1st naval deck fighter copy, & they rushed it to service.
    At the end of the day, the Chinese reverse engineered the J-15 design from an incomplete prototype of the Sukhoi Su-33 that it acquired from Ukraine. While Chinese engineers might have gained considerable insight into the Flanker design from the T-10K-3 and other Su-27 derivatives in Beijing’s possession, because they did not develop the jet or its systems, they do not fully understand the airframe due to some of the traditional limitations inherent to reverse engineering. These gaps in knowledge probably led to the some of the problems the Chinese are now encountering with the J-15 design.
    https://taskandpurpose.com/china-j-15-fighter-jets/?email=tsavolion69%40aim.com&acquisition_source=tp_lead_gen&newsletters_tp=newsletter_tp_daily&newsletters_hp=newsletter_hp_job_opportunities&newsletters_hp=newsletter_hp_career_advice
    Now it came to a dead end & they realized that nothing can be done to fix the stability problem. Perhaps the J-10/20 could be navalized, but I doubt they'll do it.  
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-10#Variants

    The J-20 has similar dimensions as the F-111; it will need a bigger CV/N to deploy it in optimal #s:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-20#Specifications
    https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-111.htm

    China has to buy Russian if they want to get this sorted. And they have to. The carriers are built. They only have 20 or so of these carrier jets. China and Russia should build a joint naval fighter.

    I think Russia would play ball this time.


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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  Pierre Sprey on Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:49 pm

    Isos wrote:
    walle83 wrote:
    Pierre Sprey wrote:IMO China should have just bought Mig 29kubs right from the start instead of home building su 33's

    The FC 31 was always a carrier bound jet. China always lies to keep the pundits off balance. Why else would an expensive jet like that be developed ? It wasn't developed just as a side project for export.

    China wanted to buy the Su-33 from Russia for years, but Russia refused. It was probably the same with the MiG-29K.
    Thats way the bought the technology from Ukraine insted.

    They wanted only few of them to copy them. And everyone know what they did with su-27. They would have done the same with mig-29k.

    But who cares ? According to some here chinese have the best technology they should be able to make a carrier based fighter by their own ...

    China built the J-20 and still had to buy su 35's to cover the gaps. And the su 35's were deployed to the South China sea of all places. That doesn't put Chinese tech in a good light.

    Why doesn't China just buy Russian and take their time developing their own at a brisk pace ? Instead they make themselves look bad.
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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:36 pm

    The J-20 isn't direct Su-35 counterpart, they complement each other. They want to invest in their own industry & master production of everything their military may need. Naval aviation is especially dangerous business, & mishaps happen often even in the most experienced USN. These r growing pains, just looking good isn't their main goal.

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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  walle83 on Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:11 pm

    So far China has launched surface vessles with a total of about 100.000 tons in 2018 (7 months). This is a huge number and probably will continue to grow next year.


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