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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:15 pm

    In December 2017, Beijing and Male signed a protocol to build a joint ocean observation station in Maldives, which China insists will not become a military base. But with the Chinese navy now present in the Indian Ocean, and a pro-Beijing man in power in Maldives, the Indians and other Indian Ocean powers are deeply concerned about the implications of recent developments. http://www.atimes.com/article/maldives-presidents-pro-china-stance-making-waves/?utm_source=The+Daily+Report&utm_campaign=c0878275d7-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_08_22_12_16&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1f8bca137f-c0878275d7-31607385
    Even a civilian station can have military personnel monitoring all navigation & collecting intel, besides guarding it. India is right to be worried! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maldives
    https://www.britannica.com/place/Maldives
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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:43 pm

    China’s homemade carrier undergoes second sea trial
    https://atimes.us14.list-manage.com/track/click?u=2049a8663daea00bd30c32cf2&id=c2f6804219&e=5455568640

    A 3rd & maybe 4th will follow it.
    China markets ships to navies in SE Asia and Africa
    http://www.atimes.com/article/china-markets-ships-to-navies-in-se-asia-and-africa/?utm_source=The+Daily+Report&utm_campaign=a673be16fc-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_08_27_11_45&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1f8bca137f-a673be16fc-31607385

    They can do it as the PLAN has enough of those classes already.

    Belt and Road construction brings no debt trap for relevant countries: Chinese official
    http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-08/28/c_137423467.htm

    Now, is there a way to verify this statement, & how accurate is it?


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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:52 pm

    Made in China: the first missile cruiser went to sea
    Taking into account the development trends of the PLA Navy, it can be assumed that the 055 ships are considered in two main qualities - as the basis for an escort for prospective Chinese aircraft carriers, and also as the nucleus of independent strike groups operating in conjunction with an aircraft carrier connection or in isolation from it both in a peaceful way and in time of war. ..
    Presumably, the PRC intends to build eight ships of the 055 project. Combined with 21 destroyers of projects 052B / C / D and a large fleet of frigates and corvettes that will eventually approach a hundred units, this will make it possible to form the largest naval fleet in Asia, second only to the US Navy. At the same time, given the global ambitions of the United States and the need to keep a significant part of the Navy in other regions of the world, China can get superiority in forces in its "own" theater - in the western part of the Pacific Ocean.
    This superiority in case of any possible local conflict in the region will put the US before a choice - either to accept the very likely defeat of its allies, or to be drawn into a large-scale conflict fraught with a full-fledged war.
    Among the immediate opponents of China in the Pacific Ocean, in addition to the United States, can be identified the Navy of Japan, South Korea and Australia. However, at present, the Chinese Navy is already surpassing the fleets of all three countries combined in terms of the number of ships, as well as in the variety and technical characteristics of weapons. And, in fact, without American support, these countries, possessing quite serious by the standards of the second echelon states by the armed forces, can not oppose anything to the Chinese naval potential.
    In the Indian Ocean, the main contender of the PLA is the naval forces of India, and if 10 years ago, experts in the correspondence comparison unconditionally put the Indian fleet in first place in comparison with the Chinese, now the answer is profoundly unreasonable. China already surpasses India in the number of main class warships, and with the completion of the construction of destroyers of the 052D project, 052 cruisers and the second aircraft carrier will receive a significant qualitative superiority. The probability of a direct military conflict between India and China is not very high today, including thanks to the diplomatic steps of both countries towards each other, but it is clear that China's growing naval capabilities are seriously reinforcing Chinese diplomacy.
    According to some experts, the People's Republic of China can move to the construction of even larger missile ships that are already in line with the Russian nuclear cruisers of Project 1144. In any case, given Beijing's thorough construction of the fleet and the consistent development of the projects of warships from simple to complex, this task seems quite solvable for the second half of the 2020s.
    https://iz.ru/782763/ilia-kramnik/sdelano-v-kitae-pervyi-raketnyi-kreiser-vyshel-v-more

    Add the Pakistan Navy on the side of PRC & it's easier to pity Indian admirals!
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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:12 pm

    PLA’s version of Black Hawk to fly to Tibet, land on carriers
    http://www.atimes.com/article/plas-version-of-black-hawk-to-fly-to-tibet-land-on-carriers/?utm_source=The+Daily+Report&utm_campaign=dc02e29a5d-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_08_30_12_33&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1f8bca137f-dc02e29a5d-31607385

    The American UH-60s has many applications:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_UH-60_Black_Hawk#Variants

    I guess they don't want to import more KA-27/32s.

    PRC: the success of the sea trials of its 2nd CV
    https://regnum.ru/news/it/2473027.html
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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 31, 2018 2:59 am


    Add the Pakistan Navy on the side of PRC & it's easier to pity Indian admirals!

    I am sure the US would encourage any such conflict because no matter the result... it would seriously damage two potential rivals to world domination... but despite Americas wishes I doubt anything would come from it... the Indians are not stupid and the Chinese are actually rather sensible too.
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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:22 pm

    China’s plan for conquest of the South Pacific
    http://www.atimes.com/article/chinas-plan-for-conquest-of-the-south-pacific/?utm_source=The+Daily+Report&utm_campaign=bffac7869d-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_09_07_07_18&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1f8bca137f-bffac7869d-31607385

    http://www.atimes.com/article/beijings-great-game-to-win-over-pacifics-small-island-states/?utm_source=The+Daily+Report&utm_campaign=bffac7869d-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_09_07_07_18&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1f8bca137f-bffac7869d-31607385

    British navy and PLA face off in South China Sea
    http://www.atimes.com/article/british-navy-and-pla-face-off-in-south-china-sea/?utm_source=The+Daily+Report&utm_campaign=bffac7869d-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_09_07_07_18&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1f8bca137f-bffac7869d-31607385

    As part of its CV/N pilot training program, it pays for itself:
    China’s budget jet fighters on course for Asian airspace
    http://www.atimes.com/article/chinas-budget-jet-fighters-on-course-for-asian-airspace/?utm_source=The+Daily+Report&utm_campaign=bffac7869d-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_09_07_07_18&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1f8bca137f-bffac7869d-31607385

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guizhou_JL-9
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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:26 pm

    New Chinese carrier inching closer to going into service
    http://www.atimes.com/article/new-chinese-carrier-inching-closer-to-going-into-service/?utm_source=The+Daily+Report&utm_campaign=02282e1438-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_09_09_02_09&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1f8bca137f-02282e1438-31607385

    I doubt they'll scrap the now 6 year old Liaoning that soon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_aircraft_carrier_Liaoning

    Training ships last longer; it could be modified & used as LHA too.
    A sleeping dragon rises: China’s military buildup
    http://www.atimes.com/a-sleeping-dragon-rises-chinas-military-buildup/?utm_source=The+Daily+Report&utm_campaign=02282e1438-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_09_09_02_09&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1f8bca137f-02282e1438-31607385
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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:48 am

    In July, senior PLA officials confirmed that development and tests are in the works for a new carrier-based, catapult-capable fighter family to replace the J-15 to match the more advanced Chinese flattops in the future. http://www.atimes.com/article/plas-fighter-jet-a-drag-on-carriers-combat-capabilities/?utm_source=The+Daily+Report&utm_campaign=61129b963e-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_09_13_10_58&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1f8bca137f-61129b963e-31607385
    In the meantime, there r enough J-15s for the CNS Shandong as some could be reassigned from the CNS Liaoning.
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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  d_taddei2 on Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:08 pm

    This article says different. That there's a shortage and still problems with J-15. Still don't know why they didn't just purchase Su-33:or at least production rights and help to setup would probably have worked out cheaper and certainly quicker and less problematic


    https://sputniknews.com/military/201809131068011871-Chinese-Navy-Short-J15-Fighters/
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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:57 pm

    Since the CNS Liaoning is a training CV, IMO, contrary to the article, it doesn't need so many J-15s. And if they r not safe to fly, then they'll have to wait a few years for a new fighter & use naval trainers instead:
    Aircraft can climb at the rate of 150m/s. Its maximum speed is 1,715km/h. The range and combat radius of the aircraft are 3,100km and 550km respectively. The service ceiling of the aircraft is 16,000m. Its maximum loitering time is two hours. The aircraft weighs around 4,960kg and its maximum take-off weight is 9,500kg.
    http://eng.chinamil.com.cn/view/2018-08/06/content_9243119.htm
    http://www.atimes.com/article/new-jet-trainers-to-prepare-pilots-for-plans-new-carrier/

    Near the end of October 2006, Russia’s Kommersant newspaper revealed that Russian state-run weapon exporter Rosoboronexport was completing negotiations with China to deliver up to 48 Sukhoi Su-33.. in a purchase deal reportedly worth $2.5 billion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army_Naval_Air_Force#Future
    At ~$52M per plane, they thought they could get away with cloning of the 1 specimen sold by Ukraine.
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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  d_taddei2 on Sun Sep 16, 2018 7:06 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Since the CNS Liaoning is a training CV, IMO, contrary to the article, it doesn't need so many J-15s. And if they r not safe to fly, then they'll have to wait a few years for a new fighter & use naval trainers instead:
    Aircraft can climb at the rate of 150m/s. Its maximum speed is 1,715km/h. The range and combat radius of the aircraft are 3,100km and 550km respectively. The service ceiling of the aircraft is 16,000m. Its maximum loitering time is two hours. The aircraft weighs around 4,960kg and its maximum take-off weight is 9,500kg.
    http://eng.chinamil.com.cn/view/2018-08/06/content_9243119.htm
    http://www.atimes.com/article/new-jet-trainers-to-prepare-pilots-for-plans-new-carrier/

    Near the end of October 2006, Russia’s Kommersant newspaper revealed that Russian state-run weapon exporter Rosoboronexport was completing negotiations with China to deliver up to 48 Sukhoi Su-33.. in a purchase deal reportedly worth $2.5 billion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army_Naval_Air_Force#Future
    At ~$52M per plane, they thought they could get away with cloning of the 1 specimen sold by Ukraine.

    12yrs on nothing? Lol
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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Sep 16, 2018 7:33 pm

    The L-15 is not nothing, & they could get some MiG-29Ks from Russia if need be. 2nd hand N Korean, Malaysian, Bangladeshi, Ukrainian &/ Iranian MiG-29s could be purchased for parts &/ reverse engineering as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mikoyan_MiG-29_operators#_North_Korea
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mikoyan_MiG-29_operators#_Malaysia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mikoyan_MiG-29_operators#_Bangladesh
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mikoyan_MiG-29_operators#_Ukraine
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mikoyan_MiG-29_operators#_Iran
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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  GarryB on Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:30 am

    They already have Su-35s in service... if they can't navalise that and have a decent Flanker based carrier aircraft, what chance would they have of buying ancient land based MiG-29s from Iran or the Ukraine and converting them to decent carrier based aircraft?
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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:15 am

    Old planes won't be converted, but used for reverse engineering & building a new navalized variant & for parts. They could also lure Indian pilot to defect with a MiG-29K like Israel did with an Iraqi MiG-21. The MiG-29 is smaller, lighter & was originally designed as a potential deck fighter, & is being used as such by the VMF & the IN, so their chance of successful reverse engineering would be higher since they've got some experience with developing the J-15.
    But if they couldn't make good enough J-15 from that SU-33, how can they use a SU-35 to make a naval version? It's like trying to navalise the F-15/22- too hard & the end result won't be worth it.
    All of the above is conjecture but it's not very likely that there'll be a Chinese MiG-29K copy, as they may not be that desperate to replace the J-15 ASAP.
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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  Tsavo Lion Yesterday at 7:59 pm

    PLA tackles shortfall of aircraft carrier fighter pilots
    There are also rumors that the J-15 is set to take off from the Type 001A carrier during its upcoming third sea trial, as recent photos from the vessel’s second trial in August have revealed that its flight deck is already fitted with four arresting cables.
    If so, the Liaoning‘s pilots will likely be on secondment [detachment] to the sister vessel to fly fighters and test flight-support systems.
    If they had severe problems with them, all those J-15s would be grounded!

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