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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Aug 05, 2018 6:17 pm

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    EXCLUSIF. Syrie : les secrets de l'opération Hamilton

    Par Guerric Poncet

    C'est la France qui a piloté l'ensemble du dispositif aérien, le 14 avril. Malgré un raté, l'objectif fixé par le politique a été atteint.

    Quelques jours avant les frappes contre le régime de Bachar el-Assad, sur la base américaine de Ramstein, en Allemagne, deux officiers français de l'armée de l'air foncent au quartier général de l'US Air Force en Europe. Dans leurs valises, les plans du raid aérien français en Syrie qu'ils doivent proposer aux Américains. Il faut faire vite : Donald Trump, Emmanuel Macron et Theresa May viennent de se mettre d'accord pour frapper ensemble, et il appartient aux militaires de régler les détails. Sur ordre de l'Élysée, les Français ont peaufiné leur scénario de rétorsion, dès le lendemain de l'attaque chimique du 7 avril à Douma, attribuée au régime de Bachar el-Assad, et ils ont déjà identifié la plupart des cibles.

    L'idée est d'envoyer de France une poignée d'appareils qui seront ravitaillés en vol et frapperont la Syrie, 3 500 kilomètres plus loin, sans faire escale : cinq Rafale équipés de dix missiles de croisière SCALP, quatre Mirage 2000-5 pour les protéger, deux avions radars Awacs et six avions ravitailleurs. Grâce à cette préparation avancée, l'armée de l'air obtient le commandement de tout le volet aérien de l'opération. Les Américains, dont l'essentiel de la force de frappe est maritime, greffent au raid français quelques chasseurs qui partent d'Aviano, en Italie, ainsi que deux bombardiers supersoniques B-1 et des avions ravitailleurs. Quatre Tornado britanniques rejoindront le dispositif au dernier moment puisqu'ils décollent de leur base d'Akrotiri, sur l'île de Chypre.

    Effet de saturation

    « Nous avons d'abord élaboré ce raid comme une opération 100 % française, où nous allions frapper seuls, puis elle est devenue tripartite », raconte le général Jean-Christophe Zimmermann, commandant de la défense aérienne et des opérations aériennes, que nous rencontrons sur sa base de Lyon-mont Verdun. Malgré les quelques bâtiments et radômes qui dépassent de la colline, le coeur de cette base est situé 130 mètres sous nos pieds, dans une gigantesque installation souterraine, que l'on appelle ici pudiquement l'« ouvrage ». On y accède par un tunnel de plusieurs centaines de mètres. Sur trois étages, l'armée de l'air a installé ses centres de décision cruciaux; c'est de là que le général Zimmermann a commandé les avions français, américains et britanniques, le 14 avril.

    GRAPHIQUE

    QG. La base de Lyon-mont Verdun est le centre névralgique de la défense aérienne française. De là ont été coordonnés les avions français, américains et britanniques.

    ©️ Guerric Poncet

    Le raid doit faire « face à un rideau de défenses sol-air intégrant des systèmes capables de prendre en charge plusieurs cibles en même temps, raconte le général, et nous avons cherché un effet de saturation, afin de maximiser les chances de nos armes de passer au travers ». Les missiles intercepteurs russes ne sont pas entrés en action, mais il fallait prévoir le pire : dans la région, « les Russes se sont déjà entraînés à intercepter leurs propres missiles avec leurs avions », poursuit le général Zimmermann. L'effet de saturation est décuplé par les quelque 85 missiles tirés par les navires et bombardiers américains, là où seize missiles français étaient prévus au total : huit pour les aviateurs, huit pour les marins. De leur côté, les Britanniques tirent huit missiles.

    L'avion radar Awacs est au coeur du dispositif tripartite. Deux des quatre Awacs français (un principal, un en soutien) rejoignent la zone et la surveillent pendant toute la durée du raid. L'appareil principal embarque un officier de la marine et un officier américain pour la coordination et, surtout, le colonel Julien*, qui porte, ce jour-là, la casquette de Haute Autorité de défense aérienne, c'est-à-dire l'officier clé de la mission : il donne le feu vert final pour les tirs. « Avec l'Awacs, nous voyons tout », confie cet homme, que nous rencontrons sur sa base d'Avord, dans le Cher.

    Le 14 avril, à peine arrivés au large de la Syrie, les Awacs français se découvrent un voisin : un A-50 Mainstay (Awacs russe) et son escorte, « restés sur zone pendant toute la durée des frappes », au beau milieu du canal de Syrie. Une façon de collecter des informations précieuses sur les Occidentaux. « Nous l'avons fait aussi sur eux », s'empresse d'ajouter le général Zimmermann. Pour limiter le flux d'informations récupéré par l'autre partie, « des mesures ont été prises sur nos bases, y compris contre ceux qui nous voient d'en haut », assure le général, évoquant les satellites-espions russes, dont les heures de passage sont parfaitement connues.

    GRAPHIQUE

    L'un des Awacs français qui ont participé au raid du 14 avril. Le radar de 9 tonnes qui tourne au-dessus du fuselage "?voit?" à plusieurs centaines de kilomètres à la ronde.  

    ©️ Guerric Poncet

    Ratés et incidents

    Dans les Awacs français, l'ambiance est feutrée. « Chacun jouait sa partition, résultat d'un travail de préparation long et complexe », raconte le colonel Julien. Dans ses classeurs, le jour J, une vingtaine de « what if », des décisions prédéfinies si quelque chose se passe mal. Par exemple, si un avion ravitailleur n'est pas au point de rendez-vous ou si les Russes décident de réagir. Chaque décision est ajustée selon le risque admissible, une notion fixée au plus haut niveau.

    Les Russes ne réagissent pas : ils observent. Ils font savoir qu'ils sont là.

    Comme c'est souvent le cas dans des opérations de haute importance, l'un des cinq Rafale français est en réserve, tout comme ses deux missiles SCALP. Les marins ont pour leur part prévu trois frégates multimissions (FREMM), dont une en réserve. Selon nos informations, les deux frégates principales doivent tirer huit missiles de croisière navals (MdCN), soit quatre chacune, et la FREMM de réserve se tient elle aussi prête à en tirer quatre. Mais, une fois l'opération lancée, les choses ne se passent pas comme prévu : l'attitude inamicale de deux navires russes présents dans la zone, dont la frégate de nouvelle génération « Amiral-Grigorovitch », empêche les marins français de tirer leurs missiles dans la fenêtre de tir d'une poignée de minutes. Résultat : seuls trois MdCN seront tirés. Un raté qui pousse les aviateurs à envoyer plus de missiles SCALP que prévu : neuf au lieu de huit. Mais pas dix, car eux aussi subissent un incident relativement rare : le dixième SCALP ne part pas du Rafale, qui s'en serait finalement séparé au-dessus d'une zone maritime déserte avant de rentrer en France.

    Les missiles tirés évoluent au ras du sol, peuvent suivre des traits de côte ou des vallées et zigzaguer avant de grimper au dernier moment, pour frapper la cible à la verticale. Les Russes ne réagissent pas : ils observent. « Ils ont fait savoir qu'ils étaient là et je pense que leur objectif était de nous dire : On aurait pu, mais on a décidé de ne pas intervenir. Ce qui est une posture plus forte que s'ils avaient laissé leurs avions sur le parking », analyse le général Zimmermann, qui évoque toutefois des brouillages et des actions cyber.

    Pour les militaires, la mission est accomplie : l'objectif fixé par le politique a été atteint. Toutefois, cette opération illustre l'inquiétant durcissement de l'accès aux espaces aériens. Côté politique, on perd beaucoup d'énergie à camoufler des ratés qui, si regrettables soient-ils, ne sont pas rares lors de l'utilisation d'une nouvelle arme. Et les deux objectifs des frappes ont été atteints pour la France : d'une part, le message politique est passé, avec le soutien crucial des États-Unis et de la Grande-Bretagne, sans lesquels l'opération aurait peut-être été techniquement réalisable, mais politiquement inimaginable. D'autre part, la France est bien entrée dans le club fermé des nations disposant de missiles de croisière opérationnels sur des navires, avec les États-Unis, la Russie et la Grande-Bretagne

    This is an article (not free but a member on a french forum shared it) where a french general of air defence forces is interviewed. It says two FREMM were unable to launch their missiles because of two russian ships and not plane.

    It also says russian showed them they saw them, they could have attacked them but choosed not to. It is the words of the general, not of the journalist.

    S-400 can't detect and shot missiles that are low flying more than 50km away just like any awacs can't see them far away too. Syrian coast is full of mountains and the most likly scenario is that they went through Lebanon. Your picture is nothing official, just a stupid map for propaganda to show where syria is and where the sea is and where french forces were.

    Please provide link.

    But yeah, essentially that infographic is a dud.

    As well, if the A-50 was flying in the area, then that means L-band radar scanning the area. That means LO targets would light up easily by the radar. so yeah, saying Russian's didn't know is the biggest joke of this year.
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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  Isos on Sun Aug 05, 2018 6:22 pm


    Please provide link.


    Not free. You can't see it. But here it is.

    https://amp.lepoint.fr/2215289
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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:36 pm

    They don't need carriers to attack Taiwan, it is only 180km away from the Mainland which would be more useful making them air assault platforms as the distance is at the limit of helicopters.
    True, but they could use them as platforms for CAPs/ASW pickets against ROC subs, fighters & LACMs, + decoys to draw away/delay any intervening outsiders from far approaches. Having them will make taking ROC easier & defend it afterwards. Argentina wasn't able to use her CV to defend Malvinas which r 500 kilometers (311 miles) from the mainland.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_War#Sinking_of_ARA_General_Belgrano
    http://www.funtrivia.com/en/Geography/Argentina/Answer1885476_FF5BDC.html

    If they didn't keep it in port, the RN & Marines would be in trouble!
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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  Vladimir79 on Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:07 pm

    Isos wrote:

    This is an article (not free but a member on a french forum shared it) where a french general of air defence forces is interviewed. It says two FREMM were unable to launch their missiles because of two agressive russian ships and not plane. Agressive means they found french ships. Some say they jammed french ships. The general says there were some little hacking attempt. So yeah they detected them.

    It also says russian showed them they saw them, they could have attacked them but choosed not to. It is the words of the general, not of the journalist.

    S-400 can't detect and shot missiles that are low flying more than 50km away just like any awacs can't see them far away too. Syrian coast is full of mountains and the most likly scenario is that they went through Lebanon. Your picture is nothing official, just a stupid map for propaganda to show where syria is and where the sea is and where french forces were.

    It doesn't say anything about jamming French ships.  They didn't fire because they didn't want to be detected by our warships in the area.  It was the same reason the Astute didn't fire because she was being followed.  They didn't know what we would do as our Ambassador warned that if they attacked Syria we would respond.  The FREMM that was out of range of our squadron launched her missiles.  As the briefing from the MoD said, we did not record the French launches. It is because they didn't launch in the area we were monitoring.  

    It doesn't say that we saw them, it says two ships were in the area acting aggressive.  Maybe we did see them, but those two ships were not the one that launched, we never saw that one.  

    My picture is from ECPAD which is part of the French Defence Ministry.
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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  Isos on Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:28 pm

    The general clearly says that there was hacking attempt and jaming. So they knew where they were.

    So they can track a british sub but not two ships ? Seriously ?

    No matter from where your picture is. It is a picture for domestic public with no more information than what french said. They lied when they said everything was fine during the operation while they had issues with launches. Why beleive a picture made by the same persons ?

    Fremm are good but not invisible. Unless they fired from 1000km they detected them.

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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  Vladimir79 on Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:52 pm

    Isos wrote:The general clearly says that there was hacking attempt and jaming. So they knew where they were.

    So they can track a british sub but not two ships ? Seriously ?

    No matter from where your picture is. It is a picture for domestic public with no more information than what french said. They lied when they said everything was fine during the operation while they had issues with launches. Why beleive a picture made by the same persons ?

    Fremm are good but not invisible. Unless they fired from 1000km they detected them.


    It doesn't say anything about their ships being jammed. The General talking about that is American and referring to the Syrian theatre of operations and his planes being jammed.

    They very well could track two ships, but they do have the RCS of a fishing trawler so it might not be easy to tell what they are at 03:00. If they launched they certainly would have known which is why only one well out of range did launch.

    It was published by the French MoD, believe it or not is not my concern but it is official.
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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:05 am

    Detected or not, the French, UK & US strikes didn't change much on the ground in Syria, to put it nicely. If they attempt larger strikes on PRC mainland/islands, their detection & tracking will be even easier.
    The Soviet & later Russian VMF subs & planes operated in the W. Pacific/SC Sea & the RF VMF may also send its subs there to assist the PLAN, gather intel., & for training against real potential enemies.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:41 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Detected or not, the French, UK & US strikes didn't change much on the ground in Syria, to put it nicely. If they attempt larger strikes on PRC mainland/islands, their detection & tracking will be even easier.
    The Soviet & later Russian VMF subs & planes operated in the W. Pacific/SC Sea & the RF VMF may also send its subs there to assist the PLAN, gather intel., & for training against real potential enemies.

    The goal was to stop Assad's alleged use of chemical weapons.  Did it work?  Did he ever use them?  I don't know.  

    We had A-50 AWACs up, S-400, multiple CAPs in the air, including the loss of an Su-30, every single warship and submarine was out of port.  I think what they would face against China is similar given the limited engagement area in Syria. China could bring more once they find them but you have to do your search grid first. The French would do stand-off with their carrier based aircraft so China would have to go far out to find them.
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    Post  Isos on Mon Aug 06, 2018 1:03 am

    It doesn't say anything about their ships being jammed

    In the article I posted, the french general clearly says there were jaming and hacking attempts and he is talking bout french forces during that night.

    The US general is another story.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Aug 06, 2018 1:20 am

    Russian OTHRs will detect & track French CSG as soon it leaves port:

    The Chinese OTHRs will pick it up:
    The over-the-horizon radar, which was installed in January 2017, has a range of about three-thousand kilometers, enabling it to detect not only South Korea and Japan but even the Western Pacific. That's far bigger than the coverage of THAAD's X-band Radar,.. which has a range of 600 to 800 kilometers. According to the Chinese media, the Tianbo radar can also detect U.S. F-35B stealth fighters deployed at the Iwakuni base in Japan. It can also monitor aircraft carriers and warships within its radius. ..China's sky-wave system radar system can detect U.S. aircraft and ships at a long distance from the coastline of the country. ..Sky wave over the [horizon] radar distance of 1000 to 4000 km. The effect of ground-wave over-the-horizon radar is short, but it can monitor the area that can not be covered by sky-wave over-the-horizon radar. The red area in the picture is the exploration area facing the East China Sea that can be covered by the combination of the skywave radar and the ground wave radar in China, and reaches the outer edge of the second island chain.
    China has deployed an Over-the-Horizon Backscatter Radar [OTH-B] to provide surveillance of the South China Sea. The precise location of this facility remained unclear. https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/china/oth-b.htm

    http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-PLA-IADS-Radars.html#mozTocId88569

    The radar emitters on Hainan facing the SC Sea would cover the entire area down to Indonesia & the Malacca strait. Facing Westward, most of the Bay of Bengal, part of India's E. Coast & the Andaman Sea will be covered.

    And from Yunnan another transmitter can partially overlap it & cover
    the rest of the Indian E. coast, Sri Lanka, & the Bay of Bengal.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yunnan#/media/File:Yunnan_in_China_(%2Ball_claims_hatched).svg


    The French & the others will have to disable/destroy them all before being able to hit anything with their deck fighters & subs.


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    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:06 am

    OTHR has the inherent problem of relying on bouncing off of the atmosphere to get a return.  It is best at detecting large planes flying above the clouds.  It is rather poor at detecting slow ships on the surface of the ocean.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:28 am

    Oh really? I've read on a Russian site that they observed training planes taking off in Holland. The type of aircraft can be deduced by the length of run & takeoff speed. Ships r a lot bigger than planes. Planes leaving a ship & returning to it exposes that it's a CVN. Space & other assets will be used too, so there's redundancy.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:34 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Oh really? I've read on a Russian site that they observed training planes taking off in Holland. The type of aircraft can be deduced by the length of run & takeoff speed. Ships r a lot bigger than planes. Planes leaving a ship & returning to it exposes that it's a CVN. Space & other assets will be used too, so there's redundancy.

    Yes really, detecting airbourne aircraft by OTH is far different than detecting objects on the surface of the water that is prone to being blocked by clouds and distorted by waves. The Australians are pioneering research in this area but it is experimental and far above anything China has deployed.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:58 am

    Holland is at sea level (some parts r even below it), & they detected those small training planes before leaving the ground. A CVN flight deck is a few dozen feet above the sea level, & its planes r larger & faster. How do u know that China's radars r blind to them, irrespective of what Australia has or doesn't have in this area now?
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:04 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Holland is at sea level (some parts r even below it), & they detected those small training planes before leaving the ground. A CVN flight deck is a few dozen feet above the sea level, & its planes r larger & faster. How do u know that China's radars r blind to them, irrespective of what Australia has or doesn't have in this area now?

    I have no idea what Holland event you are talking about. They cannot be detected until they are in the air. I know well Chinese OTHR is not as advanced as Australian who are the world leaders in this technology.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:23 am

    Here, "from the horse's mouth": https://leon-rumata.livejournal.com/731483.html

    From Hainan, 3,000 km radius covers an entire area between Guam, S.Sumatra & Sri Lanka.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:02 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Here, "from the horse's mouth": https://leon-rumata.livejournal.com/731483.html

    From Hainan, 3,000 km radius covers an entire area between Guam, S.Sumatra & Sri Lanka.

    I don't see anything in there about detecting training planes taking off from Holland, much less detecting them on the ground. China can monitor large aircraft if the conditions are good, ships it cannot.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:15 am

    This is what was said in article:

    He said Saprykin, the possibility of radar "Container" allows you to track even small aircraft. "I am sitting in Mordovia at the receiving position of such a station, watching the Dutch pilots learn to fly small sport aircraft", - he said.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:36 am

    [quote="miketheterrible"]This is what was said in article:

    He said Saprykin, the possibility of radar "Container" allows you to track even small aircraft. "I am sitting in Mordovia at the receiving position of such a station, watching the Dutch pilots learn to fly small sport aircraft", - he said.

    He hasn't even built the thing so how can he be doing that? He is talking about what it could do.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Aug 06, 2018 5:53 pm

    He did build 1 as proof of concept, not yet in quantity for the military, or why say things out of the blue?
    In Russia, there will be a new network of over-the-horizon radar stations (ZGRLS) "Container" to detect aircraft at distances of up to 3000 km. The work on its deployment has already begun.
    The network of over-the-horizon radar will shortly cover the entire Russian territory with a radar field and will allow for reconnaissance of airspace beyond its borders, Interfax reports.
    ZGRLS "Container", developed by the scientific and production complex "Research Institute of Long-distance Radio Communication" (NPID "NIIDAR"). The general designer of the enterprise Sergey Saprykin told reporters: "This is a new generation of over-the-horizon stations, such radars can detect any aircraft, everything that moves.
    According to him, Saprykin, the possibilities of the "Container" radar make it possible to track even small aircraft. "I myself, sitting in Mordovia at the receiving position of such a station, watched the Dutch pilots learn to fly on small sports planes," he said. https://leon-rumata.livejournal.com/731483.html

    Even w/o OTHRs,
    There are other types of reconnaissance,.. With the help of ballistic missiles reconnaissance satellites are launched, which exist from 30 to 50 days. Small satellites work on a certain zone in search of the enemy fleet. http://warsonline.info/siriia/novosti/rossiia/kinjal050818-2.html
    https://spaceflightnow.com/2017/03/03/small-experimental-satellite-launched-by-new-chinese-rocket/

    Also,
    Enhancements to the H-6K continue; in late August, an amateur photo of a “green” H-6 with in-flight refueling probe surfaced on Weibo, the Chinese version of Twitter. This could be the alleged H-6N that reportedly flew for the first time in December. Many believe the H-6N could host the air-launched DF-21D anti-ship ballistic missile. The reworked airframe could have been modified and strengthened to accommodate the 11-meter missile and better shielded against radiation.
    Analyst Wei Dongxu thinks inflight refueling capability will enable the PLAAF’s bombers to operate beyond the “First Island Chain” to the “Second Island Chain” with greater payload. The PLAAF has increased the number of H-6K flights into Japan’s and Taiwan’s Air Defense Identification Zones, in some cases with a composite force of Y-8 transport aircraft, Su-30 fighters and KJ-2000 airborne early warning aircraft.
    XAC has also developed the H-6KH, an enhanced variant of the H-6K, which features two additional wing pylons for KG600/800 jamming pods. Satellite imagery of the XAC airfield in Yanliang, China, shows an H-6KH with unidentified pods on the new outerwing pylons. A model of the H-6KH also suggests the presence of a KD-63 series targeting and datalink pod mounted on the aft of bomb bay.
    A small-scale test model of China’s next generation bomber, a flying wing unofficially dubbed the H-20, has been spotted by satellite at Gaobeidian, a radar cross-section test range near Beijing. China state media CCTV estimates the H-20 will have stealth features, a maximum takeoff weight of at least 200 tons and payload capacity of up to 45 tons.
    The H-20 resembles the U.S. Air Force’s B-2 Spirit bomber and the Northrop Grumman X-47B unmanned combat air vehicle demonstrator. However, military analyst Wang Mingliang told CCTV that the H-20 cannot be compared with the B-2 as it will perform missions beyond strategic bombing, such as electronic warfare.
    https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2017-08-29/china-modernizes-bomber-fleet-looks-future-h-20#

    Electronic lasso for Tomahawks
    http://nvo.ng.ru/armament/2018-08-03/12_1007_lasso.html?print=Y

    China may employ a similar method vs. Taiwanese CMs
    http://www.atimes.com/article/taiwanese-missiles-targeting-chinese-airports-operational/?utm_source=The+Daily+Report&utm_campaign=efaf39c8c8-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_08_06_01_46&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1f8bca137f-efaf39c8c8-31607385

    Taiwan embarks on spending spree on homemade subs
    http://www.atimes.com/article/taiwan-embarks-on-spending-spree-on-homemade-subs/?utm_source=The+Daily+Report&utm_campaign=5235c41dc6-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_08_08_01_38&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1f8bca137f-5235c41dc6-31607385

    Also PRC just tested hypersonic maneuverable aircraft:
    https://qz.com/1350327/china-tested-a-hypersonic-weapon-the-us-cant-defend-against/

    In other developments:
    China is constructing its second overseas military base in Pakistan, at Jiwani on the Gulf of Oman, which is much closer to the Strait of Hormuz than Gwadar; the crow-flight distance between Jiwani and Chabahar port in Iran is just 35 kilometers,..
    The Chinese troop presence at Jiwani and Gwadar in conjunction with the Pakistani ports of Pasni, Omara and Karachi (all connected by road to the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor) will not only provide control of the entire Pakistani coast to China, the continuum will carry on to Africa. With an existing airstrip, Jiwani, which is being showcased as joint China-Pakistan naval and airbase, could become China’s Eastern Indian Ocean Regional Command, with China’s Western Indian Ocean Regional Command at Djibouti. ..
    During the visit by China’s defense minister at the time, Liang Guanglie, to Seychelles in 2011, Seychelles offered China a port to supply ships fighting piracy, which evoked a Chinese response that it would consider seeking supply facilities at appropriate harbors in Seychelles or other countries.
    Island nations of the Indian Ocean have been in special focus of China. ..
    Xi visited Maldives in September 2014, securing Maldivian support for China’s “21st-Century Maritime Silk Road.” ..there are reports Maldives was looking to let the Chinese build a port at Gaadhoo Island in the south of the archipelago in April 2016, where people had been moved out and Chinese were building roads. ..
    ..China is looking to establish a joint Ocean Observation Station at Makunudhoo, the westernmost atoll in the northern Maldives in proximity of India. There is speculation that the facility will have military applications with provision of even a military base.
    Hambantota, Gaadhoo, Makunudhoo, Gwadar, Jiwani in conjunction Chinese port development activities in Bangladesh, Myanmar, Thailand and other parts of the IOR form a strategic matrix that indicates SCS 2.0 is under way. It should be of serious concern to the world.
    http://www.atimes.com/chinas-base-in-sri-lanka-part-of-its-dominant-indian-ocean-presence/?utm_source=The+Daily+Report&utm_campaign=efaf39c8c8-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_08_06_01_46&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1f8bca137f-efaf39c8c8-31607385


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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Aug 06, 2018 5:54 pm

    Philippine, Russian navies consider submarine agreement
    https://www.janes.com/article/82217/philippine-russian-navies-consider-submarine-agreement

    If/when they buy them, RF will have more interests & excuses for presence in the SC Sea. Their bases access already been discussed.

    'Leave immediately': USN plane warned over South China Sea
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/10/politics/south-china-sea-flyover-intl/index.html

    US looks to loosen China’s grip on SE Asia
    http://www.atimes.com/article/us-looks-to-loosen-chinas-grip-on-se-asia/?utm_source=The+Daily+Report&utm_campaign=2e1efc6676-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_08_10_01_17&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1f8bca137f-2e1efc6676-31607385


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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:43 pm

    Microsatellites - killers of hypersonic & CMs
    http://nvo.ng.ru/armament/2018-08-10/1_1008_miracle.html?print=Y

    The PRC won't even need to threaten attacking the French Polynesia to defend itself from French CMs; retaliation may take many forms & could be done with IC/SLBMs.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:25 am

    PLAN hones anti-missile capabilities
    http://www.atimes.com/article/pla-navy-hones-anti-missile-capabilities-chinese-paper/?utm_source=The%20Daily%20Report&utm_campaign=a9d939f599-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_08_13_01_32&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1f8bca137f-a9d939f599-31607385

    Makes sense, ships can “extend air defense from inland to littorals and open sea for greater guarantee of national security.”
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:54 pm

    New jet trainers to prepare pilots for PLAN’s new carrier
    The L-15 features a streamlined aerodynamic design and integrated avionics, with a maximum speed of 1,200km/h as well as a maximum flight range of 2,600 kilometers. Its development was reportedly assisted by Russia’s Yakovlev Design Bureau and the jets are propelled by Ukrainian-made afterburning turbofan engines.
    http://www.atimes.com/article/new-jet-trainers-to-prepare-pilots-for-plans-new-carrier/?utm_source=The+Daily+Report&utm_campaign=c471ae694f-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_08_15_01_12&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1f8bca137f-c471ae694f-31607385
    If the J-15s r grounded, L-15s may be used instead.
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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:48 pm

    Taiwan is key to US power in Pacific
    Sixth-century Chinese military strategist Sun Tzu wrote that “to fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy’s resistance without fighting.” Sun Tzu, skeptical about prolonged warfare, favored swift, decisive action; he preferred deception and psychological warfare to subduing an enemy by force.
    Contemporary Chinese rulers sometimes breathe the same strategic air as their distinguished forebear. The Peoples’ Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) has dispatched warships into the Taiwan Strait and conducted live-fire drills. On more than one occasion, its Xian H-6 bombers have circumnavigated Taiwan; in early summer, a Chinese destroyer and frigate repeated that circumnavigation by sea. And Beijing has not renounced the use of force to seize Taiwan.
    A Chinese military analyst and TV personality told one of Beijing’s state-run media outlets that it is “legitimate” for China “to send strong signals like this,” and that it must be able to deal not only with Taiwan’s military but potential U.S. and Japanese intervention.
    http://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/402286-Taiwan-is-key-to-US-power-in-Pacific
    The rest of the article is typical American hubris not even worth commenting on. China won't tolerate this unsinkable a/c carrier called ROC just off the coast blocking her access to open W. Pacific. Recall the Cuban Missile Crisis & its aftermath. History can be a good teacher, but only for good students.

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